The religious left and right

[onesteptwostep]

The Christian left and right, to put it more accurately.

I'm wondering what everyone sees in this in video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI4bwHvGjzk

Spoiler

What was your first reaction?

Is one person right? Who is wrong? Or are there other perspectives?

Is the title accurate?

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Any other general comments are welcome

EDIT: I added a poll in case if people wanted to be anonymous.

 

[Pyropyro]

The Title should be Grace vs. Justice. Both are valid theological points but it's best to be in balance.

 

[TBerg]

There is a difference between truth that resonates and truth that disturbs. The former is subjectively appealing and the latter subjectively averse.

 

[redbaron]

One group bought a Dyson vacuum and the other group purchased Electrolux. Both groups are very adamant that the vacuum cleaner they bought is the superior one.

 

[Jennywocky]

Well, I know both of these arguments pretty intimately. Like, really intimately. Been there, done that.

As far as what they are saying? The white guy's "hellfire" approach is one thing that has turned me off from some sects of Christianity and I agree more with the black guy in terms of approach; but the reality is that I've gotten to a point where I'm beyond both sides, I feel like they're both just preaching something that they have decided is true, as if it were true and applicable to everyone, but really they have no proof that it is. One guy is saying, "UNICORNS ARE WHITE!" and the other guys is saying "UNICORNS ARE BROWN!" and there's no actual way either can prove that unicorns even existed. They simply believe what they believe. [Again, though, I think the black guy's approach is probably more effective.] EDIT: @Redbaron, yeah, exactly.

Here's the thing with me: I'm an introvert and the whole idea of a huge confrontation with personally directed language really gets under my skin and makes me uncomfortable. I actually had to stop this video three times before finishing it because I find it emotionally disturbing even if logically I don't have issues with them debating it (other than what I said above). The crowd just makes it worse for me, with them shouting and yelling alot. That energy directed at people makes me anxious.

It's all just rather a mess. The white guy is judging people publicly, which upsets the black guy because he feels the white guy is misrepresenting God and turning people to hell. So he "educates" the guy publicly but at the same time becomes a focal point for the crowd's energy directed at the white guy simply because the crowd is offended by the white guy. See? Everyone's got justifications for their behavior, and meanwhile the crowd energy might not be properly centered, some of it is simply malevolently directed at the white guy, channeled inadvertently by the black guy.

I just don't like these kinds of situations. I'd rather have a discussion one-on-one with someone, not as a big public spectacle with lots of emotion involved.

 

[Hadoblado]

Personally I love the public throwdown.

I think the black guys serves the christian cause better.

 

[Pyropyro]

Personally I love the public throwdown.

I think the black guys serves the christian cause better.

I was expecting a rap battle. I was disappointed

 

[Jennywocky]

I was expecting a rap battle. I was disappointed

Okay, I could have tolerated a rap battle.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kppx4bzfAaE

 

[Seteleechete]

Pika Pika Pika

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bd5dAuImEw

 

[StevenM]

The crowd just makes it worse for me, with them shouting and yelling alot. That energy directed at people makes me anxious.

I was thinking about that yesterday, because it is the same with me. Rowdiness is a breeding place for unpredictable events for which I'm not prepared for. I like having security and control by knowing what's coming.


As for the debate, I also can't be motivated for either side. I don't feel much sympathy for the white guy being publicly shamed, it's something to expect to happen following his decision of action.

The debate itself may not be about whether God exists (though it was an object of argument). In a misdirected way, it seems the topic was more of a question of morality.

White guy feels that common modern behaviours are immoral. (as suggested from his provocative comment about drinking and having sex)

Black guy feels that white guy's behaviour is much more immoral.

As a quip, I'll just state that I haven't in my possesion a tangible scale that measures the weight of behaviour based on it's moral implications.

However, considering the subject, I am a bit more emotionally influenced towards the black guy's argument.

 

[Alias]

Pikachu is the ultimate ruler in debate. Notice the guy in the background with a #TeamFroakie shirt.