The Random Thoughts Thread

[Inexorable Username]

Conservatives/Republicans may be up next, insofar as representing a majority of the populous is concerned...but in my opinion, they have to get their shit together. The “live and let die” philosophy isn’t sustainable either.

 

[peoplesuck]

All of these fucking people raking their yards, do you realize you are slowly killing your yard and a part of the neighborhood.
#STOPRAKECULTURE


Does anyone else sometimes forget to breath when thinking super hard on something? NO? ok I will go fuck myself. The girl I cuddled with pointed it out, I would randomly stop breathing for like 30seconds then take an abnormally deep breath. she thought I was sighing, which actually got me in trouble in middle school, I am just breathing people fuck off.

Ugh! I do this ALL the time. It’s such a bad habit. I have to remind myself to breathe.

Are you a lesbian? If so, I need to ask you questions if you’re not adverse to it, because I have...o_o so many questions.
I think that sounds creepy, but I mean - in general. I am always looking for people to collect for questioning. I’m sorry. Hopefully that doesn’t make you feel alienated.

What kind of rakes are you talking about? The toothy metal ones? I think those aren’t too good for your grass, but I don’t think they’re that bad unless you’re a really aggressive rakist. (Autocorrect on my phone wanted to make this sentence awkward for us, but it failed to get one over on me.)

I think the lawn mowers are worst. If you neurotically shave your grass, it never has a chance to go to seed, so it can’t proliferate easily. Why plant grass if all you want to do is continuously demonstrate how contemptuous you are of it? Why plant something if you don’t want it to grow?

It’s nonsense like this that makes me get annoyed with humans. I like them better from afar. For instance - you people are far away from me, so I like you. I’ve yet to see you get neurotic about grass, so I still hold you in high regard.

Just kidding - I don’t have contempt for those that mow their lawn. Not...in the long run. If that makes sense. Only sometimes in the short run. (I have a mowing threshold)

On account of me being a man I cannot say I am a lesbian.
Removing leaves from your yard doesnt allow for the nutrients to be reabsorbed, thats why its bad.
Im curious what would you have asked if I were a girl?

Edit: its 2019 its probably offensive to say im a man. My chromosomes are xy and im sorry I exist. Thats pc right?

Oh man :/
Oh well. You’re still a cool person even though you don’t have valuable insights into the world view of the lesbian female! I will find one...one of these days.

I’m not sure why I thought you were female. Initially I thought you were male, but at some point, I corrected myself. It might have been your image with the makeup and the colorful hair.

Don’t let yourself get brainwashed by the loud feminist minority. It will sabotage your mind and outlook. I’ve seen far too many men these days who have fallen into a bitter, resentful pit of self-loathing, shame, and sexism, because they became susceptible to the emotionally charged politically divided dogma of our culture. They’re a pretty pathetic lot. Not a brain cell left among them.
You can’t allow yourself to degrade as such because we are using you as one of the key people to add intellect, perspective, and stimulating conversation to this forum. And we’re not done with you yet!

I’m with you though. The censorship is really trying my patience, and despite my insane ability to empathize and come up with excuses for others’ behavirors, I’m finding it reeeaaalllyy hard to drudge up any kind of sympathy for the rabid feminists. I mean. I get it. I can identify with a number of the feelings and the sentiment behind things that upset these feminists. I think most women that say they can’t, are frankly just lying so they look better by comparison.

That being said - the behavior...a lot of it is just frankly so unacceptable, so illogical...words fail me. And words never, never fail me.

I refuse to be pc, I cant identify with that level of fucking stupid. the world feels crazy and im coping by laughing at it. I will try to stay open to the idea that a few decent people still exist, atm they may just be ai set up to infiltrate the last of us.
sincerely, PS, day 982

What sense does it make to assume this cultural extremist will sustain itself? Look at how rapidly we change. Baby boomers were hippies. Gen X was MTV. Millennials were idealistic, PC, immature dreamers, and Gen Z looks seriously promising. On the whole, they don’t seem to tolerate that nonsense.

The best way to end a movement is to turn it into something nobody wants to be associated with. Feminists have done that. So has ANTIFA, and to a large degree, the liberals and socialists. Because they don’t have logic, their only option is to get increasingly aggressive and exclusive with their emotional standards. As this tendency increases, the number of reasonable people willing to stand with them decreases.

If you won’t let anyone be part of your pool party unless they agree 100% with your ideaology, and you become increasingly irrational, well - by the bell curve example, you will rapidly lose the largest percentage of the population and eventually dwindle into obscurity.

I agree but look at sweden... I wanted to move there and im so glad I didnt LMFao, they would think im hitler.

 

[peoplesuck]

confirmt, intpf is my safe space.
I decided 10 minutes ago im water fasting for 3 days. Im so sick of being jiggly UGH

 

[Marbles]

You make a good point about irrational, extremist, "idealistic" movements destroying themselves with time, but I think it is interesting to regard these movements as nature's attempt at reinforcing consensus in a western society which is getting polarized by globalism. We had the church for centuries enforcing conformism. In it's vacuum we saw all these extreme 'isms arise. The ones we have now are at least better than fascism and communism. Perhaps, for a society, a stupid ideology is worth it as long as we are all pulling in the same direction. Then political correctness might be seen as an instinctive attempt at reestablishing conformity.

Wow, Im drunk, and even now Im being a serious party pooper. Im so sorry, Im hopeless.

 

[Inexorable Username]

I think PS and I are just being ironic. These hipster men appologizing for their gender are just hoarding social currency.

And, well... While feminists can be really annoying, I don't really find trouble sympatizing with them. 5000 years of oppression does the trick.

Yeah. The oppression thing seriously sucks. I’ve never been one to idolize but it came to my attention that using a role model is a good way to enhance goal-orientated realistic visualization. But I couldn’t really find any female role models. I also think there’s definitely an unfavourable perspective of women that I don’t value. I don’t want to be a man, but I often don’t like women much. Bad stereotypes, and a high prevalence of women that aspire to fill them.

But that’s just the way our civilization panned out. Men haven’t exactly gotten a luxury ride on a magic carpet through history. Culture today seriously sucks for men, as well, and in a way women will never be able to understand or identify with. I honestly believe that most men have been conditioned to a physically and mentally destructive degree by the time they reach maturity.

Many of these “anti-men” women are the same kind of shit mothers that create the men they bitch about. Pardon my French.

 

[peoplesuck]

You make a good point about irrational, extremist, "idealistic" movements destroying themselves with time, but I think it is interesting to regard these movements as nature's attempt at reinforcing consensus in a western society which is getting polarized by globalism. We had the church for centuries enforcing conformism. In it's vacuum we saw all these extreme 'isms arise. The ones we have now are at least better than fascism and communism. Perhaps, for a society, a stupid ideology is worth it as long as we are all pulling in the same direction. Then political correctness might be seen as an instinctive attempt at reestablishing conformity.

Wow, Im drunk, and even now Im being a serious party pooper. Im so sorry, Im hopeless.

time to choose bois. Pc apocalypse where everyone becomes a zombie, or ebola rain?

 

[peoplesuck]

Unpopular opinion: the worst time for men and women is coming.

 

[Marbles]

How about Tina Fey for a role model, Inex? You're both funny INTPs, and she seems pretty cool.

I mean... Men have it rough. Women have it rough. Everyone has it rough. It is human nature to discriminate, but it is also human nature to blame all your troubles on prejudice you are being exposed to. Hard to tell which is which, these days.

And yeah, I dunno... For our generations, the worst is bound to be yet to come. No earlier generation has had it easier than us, in many ways. It's more complicated than that, but... meh. Im too drunk to get technical. Fuck humanity, yo.

 

[Inexorable Username]

You make a good point about irrational, extremist, "idealistic" movements destroying themselves with time, but I think it is interesting to regard these movements as nature's attempt at reinforcing consensus in a western society which is getting polarized by globalism. We had the church for centuries enforcing conformism. In it's vacuum we saw all these extreme 'isms arise. The ones we have now are at least better than fascism and communism. Perhaps, for a society, a stupid ideology is worth it as long as we are all pulling in the same direction. Then political correctness might be seen as an instinctive attempt at reestablishing conformity.

Wow, Im drunk, and even now Im being a serious party pooper. Im so sorry, Im hopeless.

What?! A party pooper? How? I love how much you’re talking. Not sure who spotted the poop or how it got there, but blame the dog because it wasn’t you.

The religious angle is something interesting to think about that I hadn’t really considered. That’s a great observation. I’ll have to put thought into it.

Perhaps we are, in fact, heading for a better society though? When I adjust a picture, I like to slide the brightness and contrast slider to one extreme, and then the other, before I slowly hone in on the ideal comprimise.

Perhaps that is what is happening with culture today. This book in technology, and our relative state of peace, may have intensified it. Maybe once we have overcome this uncomfortable hurdle, society will be a better place.

Feminists got rabid, now men are getting rabid in response. PC liberals got rabid, and then we put Trump in office. The volatility can’t sustain itself, so where might it settle?

Personally, so would like to see a predominantly conservative society that accepts a number of modern aspects and changes that our previously religious, Christian fundamentals society did not. I think we’re heading in that direction, and we if we get there, it will have been worth this brief period of insanity.

 

[Inexorable Username]

Unpopular opinion: the worst time for men and women is coming.

Maybe...that’s like - the hurricane argument. Are we in the eye of the storm? Or the outskirts of it?

@Marbles clearly agrees with you!
And Marbles - as far as the generations go...I think a few things will be worse. Mostly the downsides technology has had on millennials will probably be worse in Z. But if you study generational marketing, you’ll see that the generations tend to ping-pong. Basically, kids often grow up to scoff at their parents way of doing things.

That’s why before Baby Boomers, we had the Greatest Generation - and they were practically the opposite of hippies. Gen X were, in many ways, very opposite of Boomers, and millennials greatly contradicted Gen X. There’s no reason to think Gen Z won’t follow suit. Which is likely to mean that most of Gen Z will be conservative - and that is already what a lot of the research is showing.

 

[Marbles]

Yeah, theses and antitheses, Im hopeful too. Id just be more comfortable about people playing around with the brightness settings of a world that didnt have nukes, where designer viruses weren't around the corner.

Some feminists have gone rabid, but I think they are an (extremely) vocal minority. Most feminists wont admit they are feminists, and are quite reasonable. I'm pretty sure I am one of them. Basically, women have been oppressed, and we need to deal with that. Are we different? Sure. Should we have different roles? Possibly, but then we have to appreciate female roles much more.

I think the conservative-radical axis is outdated, but I definitely agree that society needs to pull the breaks. So... conservative by the dictionary definition? Sign me on...

 

[Marbles]

I had no idea Gen z is more conservative. Do you have some links? I guess I am a millennial. Id categorize myself as center left, but that is a gross oversimplification.

 

[Inexorable Username]

How about Tina Fey for a role model, Inex? You're both funny INTPs, and she seems pretty cool.

I mean... Men have it rough. Women have it rough. Everyone has it rough. It is human nature to discriminate, but it is also human nature to blame all your troubles on prejudice you are being exposed to. Hard to tell which is which, these days.

And yeah, I dunno... For our generations, the worst is bound to be yet to come. No earlier generation has had it easier than us, in many ways. It's more complicated than that, but... meh. Im too drunk to get technical. Fuck humanity, yo.

Ooo, I’ll check her out! But I would be surprised if she’s anything like me or shares any of my ambitions/values :/
I’m very curious and intellectually driven. Women aren’t supposed to be like that. Even our religions seem to agree on that front. If you go on Google and type in “Artwork woman leader” or anything to that effect (something I tried as a means of artistic inspiration to create my own visuals), you might see what I mean.

You get clip art, a lot of which looks really dumb, or you get hyper sexualised females and revealing clothing standing in sexy positions wearing a fuck ton of makeup making suggestive facial expressions. Actually...it’s so creatively compliant, and the words “leader” and “sex icon”, so apparently contradictory, that the irony of the whole situation is almost laughable.

I don’t aspire to be a leader btw - it’s just one of the rough synonyms I used in search of inspirational art. As an artist, I look up artwork a lot.

 

[peoplesuck]

I wonder what the future will look like. Will people isolate with machines, or will we revert back to our nature? what will communities look like? Honestly half the reason I chose to live was to see how things unfold.

 

[Inexorable Username]

I had no idea Gen z is more conservative. Do you have some links? I guess I am a millennial. Id categorize myself as center left, but that is a gross oversimplification.

Sure. I’ll send them to you later. Remind me if I forget. Most will be YouTube videos, and as of yet, the data is qualitive. Z really isn’t old enough for quantitive data.

The suggestions so far are that Z is concerned with earning their way to the top, that they value the spirit of competition, that they may be starting to save their money as early as highschool, that they have a better understanding of how their privacy is violated and how marketing manipulates them, so while they’re complacent about that, they also take some precautions to minimize that impact...and it would seem that Z is not very idealistic. They grew up in a world where Millenials got their ass handed to them for being too unrealistic and dreamer-ish, all thinking they could be entrepreneurs and that they should live cozy lives. Those same Millenials are now teaching their Z kids not to do as they’ve done.

Z also has a terrifyingly crippled attention span. Millenials grew up with technology, and view it as an asset. Z was born holding an iPad. Technology is an essential part of their existence.

 

[Marbles]

@Inex Well... Women in power are sexy... I guess that is something? Like how men in power are sexy... I definitely relate to that. Give me an ENTJ woman, anytime. My mother was a leader. My father was more of an introverted thinker. I digress, but... Perhaps one can be sexual AND be seen as a leader. Perhaps there is even power in sexuality.

@peoplesuck the problem is: if SOME people fuse with computer tech/genetically engineer themselves, they will outcompete everyone else. And SOME people definitely will. I think the question is really, how will humanity go extinct? Will we eradicate ourselves, or will we become creatures of our own mythologies, through genetical engineering and cybernetics? Talk about hubris, Icarus, another creature from our mythologies, I guess.

 

[Inexorable Username]

I wonder what the future will look like. Will people isolate with machines, or will we revert back to our nature? what will communities look like? Honestly half the reason I chose to live was to see how things unfold.

Aww. Don’t say that Peoples. You chose to live because your existence is entertaining to the rest of us

Just kidding!

 

[peoplesuck]

How about Tina Fey for a role model, Inex? You're both funny INTPs, and she seems pretty cool.

I mean... Men have it rough. Women have it rough. Everyone has it rough. It is human nature to discriminate, but it is also human nature to blame all your troubles on prejudice you are being exposed to. Hard to tell which is which, these days.

And yeah, I dunno... For our generations, the worst is bound to be yet to come. No earlier generation has had it easier than us, in many ways. It's more complicated than that, but... meh. Im too drunk to get technical. Fuck humanity, yo.

Ooo, I’ll check her out! But I would be surprised if she’s anything like me or shares any of my ambitions/values :/
I’m very curious and intellectually driven. Women aren’t supposed to be like that. Even our religions seem to agree on that front. If you go on Google and type in “Artwork woman leader” or anything to that effect (something I tried as a means of artistic inspiration to create my own visuals), you might see what I mean.

You get clip art, a lot of which looks really dumb, or you get hyper sexualised females and revealing clothing standing in sexy positions wearing a fuck ton of makeup making suggestive facial expressions. Actually...it’s so creatively compliant, and the words “leader” and “sex icon”, so apparently contradictory, that the irony of the whole situation is almost laughable.

I don’t aspire to be a leader btw - it’s just one of the rough synonyms I used in search of inspirational art. As an artist, I look up artwork a lot.

why cant you have a male role model? I wouldnt even consider a persons sex when looking for a role model, seems odd. can you explain?

 

[peoplesuck]

@Inex Well... Women in power are sexy... I guess that is something? Like how men in power are sexy... I definitely relate to that. Give me an ENTJ woman, anytime. My mother was a leader. My father was more of an introverted thinker. I digress, but... Perhaps one can be sexual AND be seen as a leader. Perhaps there is even power in sexuality.

@peoplesuck the problem is: if SOME people fuse with computer tech/genetically engineer themselves, they will outcompete everyone else. And SOME people definitely will. I think the question is really, how will humanity go extinct? Will we eradicate ourselves, or will we become creatures of our own mythologies, through genetical engineering and cybernetics? Talk about hubris, Icarus, another creature from our mythologies, I guess.

sorry but im going to be the earliest adopter of any transhuman tech. #willcontributetotheend
Im not sure I would even care if i invented it. Chaotic neutral for sho.

 

[Marbles]

Well... Men and women are different, and people treat them differently. You choose role models so you can emulate them. If you emulate a person of the opposite gender, things might get complicated...

And yeah, me too, my man. At least trans-humanism will be the end of evolution's oppression. No longer will anyone have an excuse to take credit for what they are. That they were designed will be completely overt.

 

[peoplesuck]

Well... Men and women are different, and people treat them differently. You choose role models so you can emulate them. If you emulate a person of the opposite gender, things might get complicated...

And yeah, me too, my man. At least trans-humanism will be the end of evolution's oppression. No longer will anyone have an excuse to take credit for what they are. That they were designed will be completely overt.

Honestly im probably gender fluid or some stupid bullshit. I dont feel attached to my "gender" what ever that actually means. Im just a person, not really attached to my male parts either. I think perfection would be smooth chest and crotch, its just elegant, i suppose.
I suppose we are thinking can we, rather than should we. the reward is just too juicy to pass up.

I suppose I should remove "i suppose" from my vocabulary.

 

[Inexorable Username]

“@Inex” This I had to laugh at. You’re cute when you’re drunk Marbles!

I mean - I think that’s awesome. That men think women in power are sexy. But like..you probably don’t get inspired by looking at sexy men in charge with their dress shirts open and nipple rings. Lol!

Don’t worry though - I’m not bitter about the sexy factor. Truth be told, I don’t have a good figure for wearing mass manufactured clothes. It REALLY sucks! The only thing that redeems perception of my body-image is that my body is closer to the over-sexualised version of females than the pretty, coltish looking girls that can rock Abercrombie and Fitch.

Plus - there’s the massive bright side of the male sex drive that women just never stop to consider for some reason.
Men. Think. Everything. Is. Sexy.

And that is awesome, because women are notoriously insecure about their bodies. The men that are best for a girls confidence are the ones that think almost everything a woman does is sexy for whatever reason!

I would much rather take that model for male behavior, knowing it comes with overly sexualized artwork and the like, then have to deal with the insecurity of sharing the world with men who are as picky, judgemental, and reject-prone as most women are.

Seriously...it’s got to be rough being a guy, knowing that most females are going to reject you -.-

 

[Inexorable Username]

Well... Men and women are different, and people treat them differently. You choose role models so you can emulate them. If you emulate a person of the opposite gender, things might get complicated...

And yeah, me too, my man. At least trans-humanism will be the end of evolution's oppression. No longer will anyone have an excuse to take credit for what they are. That they were designed will be completely overt.

Honestly im probably gender fluid or some stupid bullshit. I dont feel attached to my "gender" what ever that actually means. Im just a person, not really attached to my male parts either. I think perfection would be smooth chest and crotch, its just elegant, i suppose.
I suppose we are thinking can we, rather than should we. the reward is just too juicy to pass up.

I suppose I should remove "i suppose" from my vocabulary.

No! Keep “I suppose”! It turns out other humans like this. Trust me. I’ve been working hard to sound normal.

Hair, barely there, no hair - any version has its beauty. At least on men.

I’ve been curious about gender fluidity. I recently came across a theory that suggests that the natural state for humans is bi-sexual. I know that’s not quite the same as gender fluidity - but it’s a curious concept, no?
In a way it makes sense. We wouldn’t be the only mammals like that, and we do have the unusual quality of participating in sex for fun.

I don’t think I wondered much about this at all until I watched a truly intriguing video by a bi-sexual, who discussed her impressions of the differences between the genders from the bedroom perspective. She had an insightful comment to make - that potentially, same sex couplings we’re likely to be more satisfying, because genders relate to one another more easily, so are better suited to meet each other’s needs.

I would really love to speak to a non-heterosexual to expand my understanding of that mindset.

But you can’t just walk up to people on the street and ask them if they’re gay. It’s not Pc :/

 

[peoplesuck]

Well... Men and women are different, and people treat them differently. You choose role models so you can emulate them. If you emulate a person of the opposite gender, things might get complicated...

And yeah, me too, my man. At least trans-humanism will be the end of evolution's oppression. No longer will anyone have an excuse to take credit for what they are. That they were designed will be completely overt.

Honestly im probably gender fluid or some stupid bullshit. I dont feel attached to my "gender" what ever that actually means. Im just a person, not really attached to my male parts either. I think perfection would be smooth chest and crotch, its just elegant, i suppose.
I suppose we are thinking can we, rather than should we. the reward is just too juicy to pass up.

I suppose I should remove "i suppose" from my vocabulary.

No! Keep “I suppose”! It turns out other humans like this. Trust me. I’ve been working hard to sound normal.

Hair, barely there, no hair - any version has its beauty. At least on men.

I’ve been curious about gender fluidity. I recently came across a theory that suggests that the natural state for humans is bi-sexual. I know that’s not quite the same as gender fluidity - but it’s a curious concept, no?
In a way it makes sense. We wouldn’t be the only mammals like that, and we do have the unusual quality of participating in sex for fun.

I don’t think I wondered much about this at all until I watched a truly intriguing video by a bi-sexual, who discussed her impressions of the differences between the genders from the bedroom perspective. She had an insightful comment to make - that potentially, same sex couplings we’re likely to be more satisfying, because genders relate to one another more easily, so are better suited to meet each other’s needs.

I would really love to speak to a non-heterosexual to expand my understanding of that mindset.

But you can’t just walk up to people on the street and ask them if they’re gay. It’s not Pc :/

I agree, it makes the most since we are bi, BI nature(hehe). Im not sure, sweden would be the place to look bc there schools dont really treat hetero as the only norm. I always wanted to test myself to see if I were ok with men, take birth control for a month and I probably would be attracted to them(estrogen does that yo). That bothers me deeply bc my homophobic upbringing. would help with my self esteem though! gay men love me. I would probably empathize with women, once I got all stuck up from rejecting gay guys.
men gross me out though so im not sure how that would work.

The girl I was with yesterday was bi and she said she preffered women since they are more emotional.

 

[Marbles]

Supposing is good, I think. Our school system teaches us to be so sure about everything. It results in conflict, and certainly not in insight. I just try to avoid the word because I hear people find it annoying. I guess they want you to keep communication simple, which is understandable. When I write, just assume I suppose everything, lol.

Can we, rather than should we? Yeah... That could probably be the INTx motto, right? At this point Tellus is performance art.

@Inex
No, men with nipple rings don't inspire me, but men and women become objects of sexual attraction in different ways. I think a lot of men aspire to be leaders EXACTLY because they see the women swoon for them.

Sexuality is physical, sure... It helps to have a good exterior. Cleopatra wasnt really physically attractive, though. Its more about charisma, I think, even for women.

And red pill, disturbing secret: all men are a little pedophile. Act a little girlish, and men will love it. Don't worry, though. Men will like you when you're 50, too, then you're mature. Like you say, men find EVERYTHING sexy :P

And yeah... I dunno. I've never been much rejected by women. Personally, I have more the issue that... If they knew me, they wouldn't like me, so I rather avoid getting too personal with them, most of the time. I can fake confident extrovert alright - I subscribe to charisma on command, too. It just isn't me, and I find it exhausting.

 

[Inexorable Username]

How about Tina Fey for a role model, Inex? You're both funny INTPs, and she seems pretty cool.

I mean... Men have it rough. Women have it rough. Everyone has it rough. It is human nature to discriminate, but it is also human nature to blame all your troubles on prejudice you are being exposed to. Hard to tell which is which, these days.

And yeah, I dunno... For our generations, the worst is bound to be yet to come. No earlier generation has had it easier than us, in many ways. It's more complicated than that, but... meh. Im too drunk to get technical. Fuck humanity, yo.

Ooo, I’ll check her out! But I would be surprised if she’s anything like me or shares any of my ambitions/values :/
I’m very curious and intellectually driven. Women aren’t supposed to be like that. Even our religions seem to agree on that front. If you go on Google and type in “Artwork woman leader” or anything to that effect (something I tried as a means of artistic inspiration to create my own visuals), you might see what I mean.

You get clip art, a lot of which looks really dumb, or you get hyper sexualised females and revealing clothing standing in sexy positions wearing a fuck ton of makeup making suggestive facial expressions. Actually...it’s so creatively compliant, and the words “leader” and “sex icon”, so apparently contradictory, that the irony of the whole situation is almost laughable.

I don’t aspire to be a leader btw - it’s just one of the rough synonyms I used in search of inspirational art. As an artist, I look up artwork a lot.

why cant you have a male role model? I wouldnt even consider a persons sex when looking for a role model, seems odd. can you explain?

I mean, I thought about it. But I can’t visualize myself living as a male. It’s the visualization I’m after, to affirm my life goals and nurture a goal-orientated positive hormonal feedback loop in my brain to help me achieve my ambitions.

I can try to imagine how it would feel to act like a male, if I were an actor - but I can’t honestly “feel” like a male in my mind. I can’t genuinely develop a relatable, deep connection there. I don’t identify with the male sex drive, or the male’s tendencies towards frustration and anger. I don’t identify with the male’s sense of competitiveness, or the way they analyze other peoples’ intentions by focusing intensely on facial cues and body cues.
I don’t identify with the male’s desire to repress emotion. Or to not let their enthusiasm/passion show too overtly on their face. Or their inability to focus on what women are saying.

There’s so much about males that is just a mystery to me. I’m constantly trying to unravel it.

I need a role model whose mind I can sink into and really analyze the way they operate. Males aren’t relatable enough for that.

 

[Marbles]

I think you'd like Sweden, PS. It isn't as bad as American media would have it, by a long shot. If you'd like something similar, but with less PC culture, I'd look into Norway or Denmark (Denmark is EXTREMELY liberal. Youd get away with anything, there, I think)

 

[Marbles]

On how natural gender fluidity is... I dunno. I've tried to get into guys. I figure it is the hedonistic, bohemian, "open" thing to do. But I can't do it. I found some porn once which... sooort of worked. It was a very feminine guy. Never found anything like it again. I had a friend who actually tried it though, although he is straight. He's my hero. What an awesome thing to do? It didn't take, though...

 

[peoplesuck]

How about Tina Fey for a role model, Inex? You're both funny INTPs, and she seems pretty cool.

I mean... Men have it rough. Women have it rough. Everyone has it rough. It is human nature to discriminate, but it is also human nature to blame all your troubles on prejudice you are being exposed to. Hard to tell which is which, these days.

And yeah, I dunno... For our generations, the worst is bound to be yet to come. No earlier generation has had it easier than us, in many ways. It's more complicated than that, but... meh. Im too drunk to get technical. Fuck humanity, yo.

Ooo, I’ll check her out! But I would be surprised if she’s anything like me or shares any of my ambitions/values :/
I’m very curious and intellectually driven. Women aren’t supposed to be like that. Even our religions seem to agree on that front. If you go on Google and type in “Artwork woman leader” or anything to that effect (something I tried as a means of artistic inspiration to create my own visuals), you might see what I mean.

You get clip art, a lot of which looks really dumb, or you get hyper sexualised females and revealing clothing standing in sexy positions wearing a fuck ton of makeup making suggestive facial expressions. Actually...it’s so creatively compliant, and the words “leader” and “sex icon”, so apparently contradictory, that the irony of the whole situation is almost laughable.

I don’t aspire to be a leader btw - it’s just one of the rough synonyms I used in search of inspirational art. As an artist, I look up artwork a lot.

why cant you have a male role model? I wouldnt even consider a persons sex when looking for a role model, seems odd. can you explain?

I mean, I thought about it. But I can’t visualize myself living as a male. It’s the visualization I’m after, to affirm my life goals and nurture a goal-orientated positive hormonal feedback loop in my brain to help me achieve my ambitions.

I can try to imagine how it would feel to act like a male, if I were an actor - but I can’t honestly “feel” like a male in my mind. I can’t genuinely develop a relatable, deep connection there. I don’t identify with the male sex drive, or the male’s tendencies towards frustration and anger. I don’t identify with the male’s sense of competitiveness, or the way they analyze other peoples’ intentions by focusing intensely on facial cues and body cues.
I don’t identify with the male’s desire to repress emotion. Or to not let their enthusiasm/passion show too overtly on their face. Or their inability to focus on what women are saying.

There’s so much about males that is just a mystery to me. I’m constantly trying to unravel it.

I need a role model whose mind I can sink into and really analyze the way they operate. Males aren’t relatable enough for that.

Im pretty sure men hiding emotion is learned. Im fairly expressive once im comfy. not all men have insane sex drives. The competitiveness is a real genetic thing I would think.
The way I would use a role model is so different from you, it almost like you want to be them, rather than be like them. dunno, does that sound right?

 

[peoplesuck]

I think you'd like Sweden, PS. It isn't as bad as American media would have it, by a long shot. If you'd like something similar, but with less PC culture, I'd look into Norway or Denmark (Denmark is EXTREMELY liberal. Youd get away with anything, there, I think)

Im going to move to norway permanently. I will wave a little norwegian flag when america starts its next war

 

[Inexorable Username]

Supposing is good, I think. Our school system teaches us to be so sure about everything. It results in conflict, and certainly not in insight. I just try to avoid the word because I hear people find it annoying. I guess they want you to keep communication simple, which is understandable. When I write, just assume I suppose everything, lol.

Can we, rather than should we? Yeah... That could probably be the INTx motto, right? At this point Tellus is performance art.

@Inex
No, men with nipple rings don't inspire me, but men and women become objects of sexual attraction in different ways. I think a lot of men aspire to be leaders EXACTLY because they see the women swoon for them.

Sexuality is physical, sure... It helps to have a good exterior. Cleopatra wasnt really physically attractive, though. Its more about charisma, I think, even for women.

And red pill, disturbing secret: all men are a little pedophile. Act a little girlish, and men will love it. Don't worry, though. Men will like you when you're 50, too, then you're mature. Like you say, men find EVERYTHING sexy :P

And yeah... I dunno. I've never been much rejected by women. Personally, I have more the issue that... If they knew me, they wouldn't like me, so I rather avoid getting too personal with them, most of the time. I can fake confident extrovert alright - I subscribe to charisma on command, too. It just isn't me, and I find it exhausting.

You need to find an intellectual girl. They’re out there. You won’t have to act if you find a girl who is interested in figuring you out.

I act girlish by default around men I’m interested in and it SICKENS ME! I know that sounds really harsh and extreme (lol!) - but I have a lot of non-superficial values and a deep seeded desire to be respected as an equal, and respected for my intellect. I hate that I act like a fool. It makes me go home and wallow in insecuirty. Really...the flirtatious version of me is a bi-polar mess.

I mean, I get annoyed when women act that way around me. I view them as children and I feel like they need to grow up and stop pretending to be a little fool. (Not that extreme, though, I mean...I’m a really non-judgemental and accepting person by nature, so whenever I have those thoughts I immediately banish them in favor of thinking something more positive)

But the point is, I feel like dopey women do my gender no favors. And then - I end up getting ridiculous physiological triggers that turn me in to the thing which I hold in contempt. -.- Screw this body. It is a walking paradox.

 

[peoplesuck]

On how natural gender fluidity is... I dunno. I've tried to get into guys. I figure it is the hedonistic, bohemian, "open" thing to do. But I can't do it. I found some porn once which... sooort of worked. It was a very feminine guy. Never found anything like it again. I had a friend who actually tried it though, although he is straight. He's my hero. What an awesome thing to do? It didn't take, though...

A damn brave man. How did it affect him after? was he different?

 

[Marbles]

I think you'd like Sweden, PS. It isn't as bad as American media would have it, by a long shot. If you'd like something similar, but with less PC culture, I'd look into Norway or Denmark (Denmark is EXTREMELY liberal. Youd get away with anything, there, I think)

Im going to move to norway permanently. I will wave a little norwegian flag when america starts its next war

Oh, since an ex prime minister of ours is the NATO general secretary, Im sure well be dragged into that war! You will be welcome, though! We need all the INTPs we can get. INTpeace, man, høhø <- Norwegian letter for you. Something between an e and an o

 

[Inexorable Username]

How about Tina Fey for a role model, Inex? You're both funny INTPs, and she seems pretty cool.

I mean... Men have it rough. Women have it rough. Everyone has it rough. It is human nature to discriminate, but it is also human nature to blame all your troubles on prejudice you are being exposed to. Hard to tell which is which, these days.

And yeah, I dunno... For our generations, the worst is bound to be yet to come. No earlier generation has had it easier than us, in many ways. It's more complicated than that, but... meh. Im too drunk to get technical. Fuck humanity, yo.

Ooo, I’ll check her out! But I would be surprised if she’s anything like me or shares any of my ambitions/values :/
I’m very curious and intellectually driven. Women aren’t supposed to be like that. Even our religions seem to agree on that front. If you go on Google and type in “Artwork woman leader” or anything to that effect (something I tried as a means of artistic inspiration to create my own visuals), you might see what I mean.

You get clip art, a lot of which looks really dumb, or you get hyper sexualised females and revealing clothing standing in sexy positions wearing a fuck ton of makeup making suggestive facial expressions. Actually...it’s so creatively compliant, and the words “leader” and “sex icon”, so apparently contradictory, that the irony of the whole situation is almost laughable.

I don’t aspire to be a leader btw - it’s just one of the rough synonyms I used in search of inspirational art. As an artist, I look up artwork a lot.

why cant you have a male role model? I wouldnt even consider a persons sex when looking for a role model, seems odd. can you explain?

I mean, I thought about it. But I can’t visualize myself living as a male. It’s the visualization I’m after, to affirm my life goals and nurture a goal-orientated positive hormonal feedback loop in my brain to help me achieve my ambitions.

I can try to imagine how it would feel to act like a male, if I were an actor - but I can’t honestly “feel” like a male in my mind. I can’t genuinely develop a relatable, deep connection there. I don’t identify with the male sex drive, or the male’s tendencies towards frustration and anger. I don’t identify with the male’s sense of competitiveness, or the way they analyze other peoples’ intentions by focusing intensely on facial cues and body cues.
I don’t identify with the male’s desire to repress emotion. Or to not let their enthusiasm/passion show too overtly on their face. Or their inability to focus on what women are saying.

There’s so much about males that is just a mystery to me. I’m constantly trying to unravel it.

I need a role model whose mind I can sink into and really analyze the way they operate. Males aren’t relatable enough for that.

Im pretty sure men hiding emotion is learned. Im fairly expressive once im comfy. not all men have insane sex drives. The competitiveness is a real genetic thing I would think.
The way I would use a role model is so different from you, it almost like you want to be them, rather than be like them. dunno, does that sound right?

No, I want to strap them to a table and remove the parts of their brain that made them successful, and then have someone knit those bits into my head so I can understand how they think and feel.

I have never, in my entire life, had a desire to actually be anyone else though. I’m way too addicted to my own mind for that. Which sounds really narcissistic.

 

[Marbles]

Hmm... I wonder if that's the problem, though. Women see sex symbols act girlish, and they think the trick is to act stupid... I don't think it is. You can easily be an intelligent little girl - mischievous. Just be playful, and act a little naive. They don't have to BUY that you're naive, it's all part of the game. If they see through it, it's all the more enticing.

 

[peoplesuck]

How about Tina Fey for a role model, Inex? You're both funny INTPs, and she seems pretty cool.

I mean... Men have it rough. Women have it rough. Everyone has it rough. It is human nature to discriminate, but it is also human nature to blame all your troubles on prejudice you are being exposed to. Hard to tell which is which, these days.

And yeah, I dunno... For our generations, the worst is bound to be yet to come. No earlier generation has had it easier than us, in many ways. It's more complicated than that, but... meh. Im too drunk to get technical. Fuck humanity, yo.

Ooo, I’ll check her out! But I would be surprised if she’s anything like me or shares any of my ambitions/values :/
I’m very curious and intellectually driven. Women aren’t supposed to be like that. Even our religions seem to agree on that front. If you go on Google and type in “Artwork woman leader” or anything to that effect (something I tried as a means of artistic inspiration to create my own visuals), you might see what I mean.

You get clip art, a lot of which looks really dumb, or you get hyper sexualised females and revealing clothing standing in sexy positions wearing a fuck ton of makeup making suggestive facial expressions. Actually...it’s so creatively compliant, and the words “leader” and “sex icon”, so apparently contradictory, that the irony of the whole situation is almost laughable.

I don’t aspire to be a leader btw - it’s just one of the rough synonyms I used in search of inspirational art. As an artist, I look up artwork a lot.

why cant you have a male role model? I wouldnt even consider a persons sex when looking for a role model, seems odd. can you explain?

I mean, I thought about it. But I can’t visualize myself living as a male. It’s the visualization I’m after, to affirm my life goals and nurture a goal-orientated positive hormonal feedback loop in my brain to help me achieve my ambitions.

I can try to imagine how it would feel to act like a male, if I were an actor - but I can’t honestly “feel” like a male in my mind. I can’t genuinely develop a relatable, deep connection there. I don’t identify with the male sex drive, or the male’s tendencies towards frustration and anger. I don’t identify with the male’s sense of competitiveness, or the way they analyze other peoples’ intentions by focusing intensely on facial cues and body cues.
I don’t identify with the male’s desire to repress emotion. Or to not let their enthusiasm/passion show too overtly on their face. Or their inability to focus on what women are saying.

There’s so much about males that is just a mystery to me. I’m constantly trying to unravel it.

I need a role model whose mind I can sink into and really analyze the way they operate. Males aren’t relatable enough for that.

Im pretty sure men hiding emotion is learned. Im fairly expressive once im comfy. not all men have insane sex drives. The competitiveness is a real genetic thing I would think.
The way I would use a role model is so different from you, it almost like you want to be them, rather than be like them. dunno, does that sound right?

No, I want to strap them to a table and remove the parts of their brain that made them successful, and then have someone knit those bits into my head so I can understand how they think and feel.

I have never, in my entire life, had a desire to actually be anyone else though. I’m way too addicted to my own mind for that. Which sounds really narcissistic.

im really not smart, and im not trying to be a smart ass, but i think you are missing the forest for the trees. but your missing the trees for the little spec of sap that is glistening in the light.

 

[peoplesuck]

Supposing is good, I think. Our school system teaches us to be so sure about everything. It results in conflict, and certainly not in insight. I just try to avoid the word because I hear people find it annoying. I guess they want you to keep communication simple, which is understandable. When I write, just assume I suppose everything, lol.

Can we, rather than should we? Yeah... That could probably be the INTx motto, right? At this point Tellus is performance art.

@Inex
No, men with nipple rings don't inspire me, but men and women become objects of sexual attraction in different ways. I think a lot of men aspire to be leaders EXACTLY because they see the women swoon for them.

Sexuality is physical, sure... It helps to have a good exterior. Cleopatra wasnt really physically attractive, though. Its more about charisma, I think, even for women.

And red pill, disturbing secret: all men are a little pedophile. Act a little girlish, and men will love it. Don't worry, though. Men will like you when you're 50, too, then you're mature. Like you say, men find EVERYTHING sexy :P

And yeah... I dunno. I've never been much rejected by women. Personally, I have more the issue that... If they knew me, they wouldn't like me, so I rather avoid getting too personal with them, most of the time. I can fake confident extrovert alright - I subscribe to charisma on command, too. It just isn't me, and I find it exhausting.

You need to find an intellectual girl. They’re out there. You won’t have to act if you find a girl who is interested in figuring you out.

I act girlish by default around men I’m interested in and it SICKENS ME! I know that sounds really harsh and extreme (lol!) - but I have a lot of non-superficial values and a deep seeded desire to be respected as an equal, and respected for my intellect. I hate that I act like a fool. It makes me go home and wallow in insecuirty. Really...the flirtatious version of me is a bi-polar mess.

I mean, I get annoyed when women act that way around me. I view them as children and I feel like they need to grow up and stop pretending to be a little fool. (Not that extreme, though, I mean...I’m a really non-judgemental and accepting person by nature, so whenever I have those thoughts I immediately banish them in favor of thinking something more positive)

But the point is, I feel like dopey women do my gender no favors. And then - I end up getting ridiculous physiological triggers that turn me in to the thing which I hold in contempt. -.- Screw this body. It is a walking paradox.

Some women are sarcastic and mean to men they like, some are dopey, some are distant. so I guess just figure out if its genetic or learned and fix it or give up. Maybe you are being too harsh because you hate dopey women and you dont want to be a bimbo, but it doesnt mean you are less than them. men do similar stuff around women.

social advice from an asocial person- you have been warned

 

[Marbles]

There are men who are attracted to all types. A lot of smart women think they are being rejected for being smart, though, while they are really being rejected for not being all that empathetic. It is hard to think logically and empathetic at the same time. Most men find mother material sexy. So we want a mother, and we want a little girl. That is so messed up, I don't understand how anyone could believe in a God.

 

[peoplesuck]

Supposing is good, I think. Our school system teaches us to be so sure about everything. It results in conflict, and certainly not in insight. I just try to avoid the word because I hear people find it annoying. I guess they want you to keep communication simple, which is understandable. When I write, just assume I suppose everything, lol.

Can we, rather than should we? Yeah... That could probably be the INTx motto, right? At this point Tellus is performance art.

@Inex
No, men with nipple rings don't inspire me, but men and women become objects of sexual attraction in different ways. I think a lot of men aspire to be leaders EXACTLY because they see the women swoon for them.

Sexuality is physical, sure... It helps to have a good exterior. Cleopatra wasnt really physically attractive, though. Its more about charisma, I think, even for women.

And red pill, disturbing secret: all men are a little pedophile. Act a little girlish, and men will love it. Don't worry, though. Men will like you when you're 50, too, then you're mature. Like you say, men find EVERYTHING sexy :P

And yeah... I dunno. I've never been much rejected by women. Personally, I have more the issue that... If they knew me, they wouldn't like me, so I rather avoid getting too personal with them, most of the time. I can fake confident extrovert alright - I subscribe to charisma on command, too. It just isn't me, and I find it exhausting.

You need to find an intellectual girl. They’re out there. You won’t have to act if you find a girl who is interested in figuring you out.

I act girlish by default around men I’m interested in and it SICKENS ME! I know that sounds really harsh and extreme (lol!) - but I have a lot of non-superficial values and a deep seeded desire to be respected as an equal, and respected for my intellect. I hate that I act like a fool. It makes me go home and wallow in insecuirty. Really...the flirtatious version of me is a bi-polar mess.

I mean, I get annoyed when women act that way around me. I view them as children and I feel like they need to grow up and stop pretending to be a little fool. (Not that extreme, though, I mean...I’m a really non-judgemental and accepting person by nature, so whenever I have those thoughts I immediately banish them in favor of thinking something more positive)

But the point is, I feel like dopey women do my gender no favors. And then - I end up getting ridiculous physiological triggers that turn me in to the thing which I hold in contempt. -.- Screw this body. It is a walking paradox.

Some women are sarcastic and mean to men they like, some are dopey, some are distant. so I guess just figure out if its genetic or learned and fix it or give up. Maybe you are being too harsh because you hate dopey women and you dont want to be a bimbo, but it doesnt mean you are less than them. men do similar stuff around women.

social advice from an asocial person- you have been warned

like marbles said, men like girly women. Its probably your body doing what it is supposed to do. Dont worry if they perceive you as less, they are simple minded if they do.

 

[peoplesuck]

There are men who are attracted to all types. A lot of smart women think they are being rejected for being smart, though, while they are really being rejected for not being all that empathetic. It is hard to think logical and empathetic at the same time. Most men find mother material sexy. So we want a mother, and we want a little girl. That is so messed up, I don't understand how anyone could believe in a God.

WE WANT TO DATE OUR PARENTS.

* drinks alcohol vigorously *

we just want someone to take care of, and sometimes we want someone to take car of us

 

[Inexorable Username]

On how natural gender fluidity is... I dunno. I've tried to get into guys. I figure it is the hedonistic, bohemian, "open" thing to do. But I can't do it. I found some porn once which... sooort of worked. It was a very feminine guy. Never found anything like it again. I had a friend who actually tried it though, although he is straight. He's my hero. What an awesome thing to do? It didn't take, though...

I think at some point, people just are or are not heterosexual. I’ve often wished I could be attracted to females. It would be a lot easier on my emotions. Dating sucks. Seriously. For both parties.

I also think naked women are beautiful. They can be lovely to draw. (I did figure drawing in college). Women also can have just mesmerizingly beautiful faces. Faces you can’t take your eyes off of.

But there’s a difference between seeing the beauty in something and feeling sexual motivation. If I were ever to feel any kind of motivation for that - I imagine that it would be purely selfish and curiosity based, and that wouldn’t be kind to her, would it? That’s how you break a person’s heart.

 

[peoplesuck]

There are men who are attracted to all types. A lot of smart women think they are being rejected for being smart, though, while they are really being rejected for not being all that empathetic. It is hard to think logically and empathetic at the same time. Most men find mother material sexy. So we want a mother, and we want a little girl. That is so messed up, I don't understand how anyone could believe in a God.

pretty sure incest and pedophilia is the norm in every religion. the bibles are the manga and real life is the anime. they always change something.

 

[peoplesuck]

On how natural gender fluidity is... I dunno. I've tried to get into guys. I figure it is the hedonistic, bohemian, "open" thing to do. But I can't do it. I found some porn once which... sooort of worked. It was a very feminine guy. Never found anything like it again. I had a friend who actually tried it though, although he is straight. He's my hero. What an awesome thing to do? It didn't take, though...

I think at some point, people just are or are not heterosexual. I’ve often wished I could be attracted to females. It would be a lot easier on my emotions. Dating sucks. Seriously. For both parties.

I also think naked women are beautiful. They can be lovely to draw. (I did figure drawing in college). Women also can have just mesmerizingly beautiful faces. Faces you can’t take your eyes off of.

But there’s a difference between seeing the beauty in something and feeling sexual motivation. If I were ever to feel any kind of motivation for that - I imagine that it would be purely selfish and curiosity based, and that wouldn’t be kind to her, would it? That’s how you break a person’s heart.

It is actually affected by hormones, if you take the opposite sex hormones you will be more attracted to your sex. not sure what that says about people who are naturally gay,bi

 

[Marbles]

haha, yeah, PS. I guess Freud was right about something. Thats a first. Bloody retard he was. He certainly did nothing for people with mental issues, delaying proper research by at least decades. But again I digress, and that is a boring topic. Never mind it.

@Inex Yes, I can find people of my own gender very beautiful, too. For instance Cillian Murphy, in Peaky Blinders. But I cant make it sexual, no matter how hard I try. Or at least... It takes more effort than it is worth.

 

[Inexorable Username]

There are men who are attracted to all types. A lot of smart women think they are being rejected for being smart, though, while they are really being rejected for not being all that empathetic. It is hard to think logically and empathetic at the same time. Most men find mother material sexy. So we want a mother, and we want a little girl. That is so messed up, I don't understand how anyone could believe in a God.

It’s not messed up at all. People who are protected and have nothing to fear are allowed to nurture their compassion, and they’re allowed to be naieve. It sounds to me like men just want a woman who hasn’t been hardened by the world, which makes sense. A softer woman would make a male feel more like a man.

Women have the same instincts. They tend to like men that make them feel more like a woman.

Tbh - my foolish side probably wouldn’t bother me so much if it weren’t for feminism. Feminism has made femininity out to be a bad thing. They preach the line that we all should aspire to be like men.

I like to live an intellectual lifestyle and I love to learn, and I love my career and my personal ambitions - but I love being a female. I can’t begin to imagine myself as a male. The feminist philosophy is essentially that the female instincts to nurture, love, and empathize, are to be looked down on because they are not independent enough.

So yeah - I blame feminism for my aversion to my instincts XD
I guess the feminists are bullying us all - male and female alike!

 

[Marbles]

@PS Yeah, I guess hormones influence it, but I had a gay shrink who was really masculine. He also looked like a model. My god... If I have no sexual interested in my SHRINK, who looked like a MODEL, I think the whole gay project will get nowhere for me....

 

[peoplesuck]

I seriously have to do something with myself ive been sitting here for like 2 hours.. peace
we can appreciate a good painting, but not be attracted to a certain sex. instincts are at play? dunno

 

[Marbles]

@Inex I hear you. The irony of feminism is that it in many ways belittles being a woman. We need to appreciate female qualities more, as a society, and we must accept that many people are not strictly representative of their gender. There is a lot of overlap.

 

[Marbles]

I think we do need more women in power though. I can't see a way around that. People are primed to see their own needs, and those of the group they belong to. I doubt there will be equality for women until we have a substantial amount of women in power.

Don't go, PS. Chatting is healthy!

 

[Inexorable Username]

I love the way you think Marbles. Feel free to drink constantly! You’re an awesome drunk! Haha.
Well it’s reassuring to think that girly behavior is not unattractive. Since it is a consequence of my instincts that I simply cannot control - I imagine my estrogen is probably off the charts. I’m also an open book, so I just can’t seem to act in a way that contradicts how I think and feel, even if I wished I could.

I’ve occasionally tried “aloof” on for size...but really, all a guy has to do is off-handedly mention a slightly interesting topic like Vitamin B, and I forget myself. Really. My brain clicks in and I forget to be socially manipulative. That is - to put on a show. I don’t value it anyways.

Yeah I’ve been sitting here for way too long too Peoples. I need to de-vegetable. This is such an engaging conversation though!

We need to establish a conference line. How cool would it be to be able to call into a conference line? Then we could clean and organize while we talk.