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If things have always been evolving where is the evidence? Why dont humans naturally evolve their bodies into something that couldn't get sicknesses. Why dont we evolve into running 70mph. Hell it's been long enough. I see people getting physically weaker, worse genes. Idk, just my take.
evolution is not a linear process towards complexity, in fact it's just a process towards equilibrium. Hence why 99.999% of all species on earth are extremely primitive organisms (mostly bacteria) that have remained stable in their current form for the past millions of years
 

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evolution is not a linear process towards complexity, in fact it's just a process towards equilibrium. Hence why 99.999% of all species on earth are extremely primitive organisms (mostly bacteria) that have remained stable in their current form for the past millions of years

So I can't evolve into a flying demi-god with rocket launchers because- evolution?
 

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evolution is not a linear process towards complexity, in fact it's just a process towards equilibrium. Hence why 99.999% of all species on earth are extremely primitive organisms (mostly bacteria) that have remained stable in their current form for the past millions of years

So I can't evolve into a flying demi-god with rocket launchers because- evolution?
rocket launchers seems a bit unlikely, maybe you could settle for the ability to spit on people's faces from a large distance?
 

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Sounds to me that you're referring to adaption not evolution.
 

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My issue is how did it all come to be in the first place? A big bang? The chances of life just appearing. Why? Life is too complex and eerie to be the result of absolutely nothing.
 

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There's structure there you just don't see it. Emergent complexity.

There is no evidence that a conscious mind created the universe.

There is evidence that the universe is expanding, by contrast it was smaller at a point which could be called a singularity. This singularity was dense, warm and infinitely small. When the singularity imploded on itself given the concentration, matter moved so fast, with such high temperatures that the universe was a massive microwave, eventually cooling down to modern day.

There is evidence that complexity is actually a product of simple biological cells interacting with each other.

There is no evidence to suggest there was ever nothing, that's the law of conservation of energy: Energy can only be transformed.
 

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Oh forgive me for my complete lack of understanding, I couldn't compare to the genius of you all.
After all, someone knows it all right.
 

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Dont get into a punctuation fight with me, I'll have you know I always have the last "word".
 

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To acknowlege or not acknowledge

Whatever makes you feel better.
 

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Why dont humans naturally evolve their bodies into something that couldn't get sicknesses. Why dont we evolve into running 70mph. Hell it's been long enough. I see people getting physically weaker, worse genes. Idk, just my take.
Have you heard of or looked into CRISPR? Scientists have wondered that for decades and now there is gene editing which makes this possible in hopefully a few decades or generations from now. It's the exact solution to the problems of evolution you indicate.

I have to second Serac's comment on bacteria:
evolution is not a linear process towards complexity, in fact it's just a process towards equilibrium. Hence why 99.999% of all species on earth are extremely primitive organisms (mostly bacteria) that have remained stable in their current form for the past millions of years

The world is mostly composed of things unseen to the naked eye. We overvalue what we see on the front end, yet can be entirely -regressed- by those things, and vice versa.

@Rebis You might have already seen this but posting anyways :glasses-nerdy:
 

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I'm useless and shouldnt have been born. All I see is nothingness everywhere.

I think I felt this way from 9yo.
I tell myself things will get better with the tech singularity.

Would it not require consciousness from something to do that?

Evolution is based on motion. Motion requires a body and brain. Change those factors and you get survival. So yes consciousness is involved. To get from here to there. Sex food and avoiding predators. All conscious motions. Species evolve new motions as species do.
 

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Why dont humans naturally evolve their bodies into something that couldn't get sicknesses. Why dont we evolve into running 70mph. Hell it's been long enough. I see people getting physically weaker, worse genes. Idk, just my take.
Have you heard of or looked into CRISPR? Scientists have wondered that for decades and now there is gene editing which makes this possible in hopefully a few decades or generations from now. It's the exact solution to the problems of evolution you indicate.

I have to second Serac's comment on bacteria:
evolution is not a linear process towards complexity, in fact it's just a process towards equilibrium. Hence why 99.999% of all species on earth are extremely primitive organisms (mostly bacteria) that have remained stable in their current form for the past millions of years

The world is mostly composed of things unseen to the naked eye. We overvalue what we see on the front end, yet can be entirely -regressed- by those things, and vice versa.

@Rebis You might have already seen this but posting anyways :glasses-nerdy:
I love this man's chaotic energy.
I found my lifting bottleneck is the muscles that attach my arms to my torso, feels bad.
 

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Why dont humans naturally evolve their bodies into something that couldn't get sicknesses. Why dont we evolve into running 70mph. Hell it's been long enough. I see people getting physically weaker, worse genes. Idk, just my take.
Have you heard of or looked into CRISPR? Scientists have wondered that for decades and now there is gene editing which makes this possible in hopefully a few decades or generations from now. It's the exact solution to the problems of evolution you indicate.

I have to second Serac's comment on bacteria:
evolution is not a linear process towards complexity, in fact it's just a process towards equilibrium. Hence why 99.999% of all species on earth are extremely primitive organisms (mostly bacteria) that have remained stable in their current form for the past millions of years

The world is mostly composed of things unseen to the naked eye. We overvalue what we see on the front end, yet can be entirely -regressed- by those things, and vice versa.

@Rebis You might have already seen this but posting anyways :glasses-nerdy:
I love this man's chaotic energy.
I found my lifting bottleneck is the muscles that attach my arms to my torso, feels bad.

Right?

Same.
 

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@Rebis You might have already seen this but posting anyways :glasses-nerdy:

A person I know said he talked about stoicism for 20 minutes, very INTJ. This youtuber is cool, I watched a few videos.

I kinda thought to myself: "How can you speak purely of stoicism for that long?" Surely, stoics percieve the world through stoic means, rather than talking about it? You want what you don't have in other words.
 

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I.. realized this week that all this social anxiety.. this fretting about how ppl see me and the etiquette stuff .. its my mother...

Recently I observed this, maybe now as someone from the outside, she is a extrovert, but the sheer amount of stress she puts herself through to be liked by people and for them to see her in a certain light, to be hospitable and nice and all that.. is kinda nuts and I find it pathetic tbh. Its such a lie.. disgusting.

e_e it makes sense now, I remember all the little corrections, don't say that don't do that, plz behave.. that time I publically accused my uncle, I merely said the truth, but all hell broke loose (he is a downright amoral son of that bitch grandmother of mine) I'm the kind of asshole who is rather direct and if pissed really direct and agressive to boot... she tried to leash that to her pathological need /fear to be liked, proper and so on..

Can't tell right now if this realization is making me exited or anxious... but Imaybe freedom from this is on the other side. I just have to find the real me and throw all this social nicity garbage where it belongs.
 

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I.. realized this week that all this social anxiety.. this fretting about how ppl see me and the etiquette stuff .. its my mother...

Recently I observed this, maybe now as someone from the outside, she is a extrovert, but the sheer amount of stress she puts herself through to be liked by people and for them to see her in a certain light, to be hospitable and nice and all that.. is kinda nuts and I find it pathetic tbh. Its such a lie.. disgusting.

e_e it makes sense now, I remember all the little corrections, don't say that don't do that, plz behave.. that time I publically accused my uncle, I merely said the truth, but all hell broke loose (he is a downright amoral son of that bitch grandmother of mine) I'm the kind of asshole who is rather direct and if pissed really direct and agressive to boot... she tried to leash that to her pathological need /fear to be liked, proper and so on..

Can't tell right now if this realization is making me exited or anxious... but Imaybe freedom from this is on the other side. I just have to find the real me and throw all this social nicity garbage where it belongs.

I feel like INTPs are probably the less conditioned out of all personality types, it could be related but I don't see you as the guy that's moulded easy by others. Having said that, I didn't know you as a kid. I'd guess your anxious as you understand the toxicity of others but maybe the negativity from being "rejected" by others is a result of your mother.
 

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I feel like INTPs are probably the less conditioned out of all personality types, it could be related but I don't see you as the guy that's moulded easy by others. Having said that, I didn't know you as a kid.

Its not like she molded me, more like her fears rubbed off on me. The thing is internally I see them as irrational and seperate from me and a kind of struggle is always there between my need to be blunt, to say things as they are, to challange people on their bs and her fears. It creates frustration. I know she can't help herself, can't really blame her.. but I can through practice just push through and be myself.
 

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I've done 150 sit ups today, saturated fat is sitting at 14g and that damn chocolate bar is calling me. Lovely raisin chocolate bar. Please, let me go.
 

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I've done 150 sit ups today, saturated fat is sitting at 14g and that damn chocolate bar is calling me. Lovely raisin chocolate bar. Please, let me go.
I saw a yt video about spaced out high reps, what changes have you noticed from doing it?
 

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I just spent an hour trying to solve a programming solution in the most complex way possible, without reading the second part of the question. My god, the amount of effort and convolusion I went into that was insane.

Definitely slimming effect but I can't get over 30 sit ups and 35 push ups, since it kept doing them every few hours for this week (or longer, I don't even know). I had a search online and it said I should let the muscles rest so I can increase my reps more.

I will say I feel there's less recovery time (like a few hours later I'll be fine) but that's probably because my muscles aren't being put to the test as they're constantly used.
 

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Craving a new phone, my current one is actually battered, I can barely use it. If I'd could take a photo you'd see how ridiculously destroyed it is, it's just an ipod at this point.

What phones do we have?
 

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I just spent an hour trying to solve a programming solution in the most complex way possible, without reading the second part of the question. My god, the amount of effort and convolusion I went into that was insane.

Definitely slimming effect but I can't get over 30 sit ups and 35 push ups, since it kept doing them every few hours for this week (or longer, I don't even know). I had a search online and it said I should let the muscles rest so I can increase my reps more.

I will say I feel there's less recovery time (like a few hours later I'll be fine) but that's probably because my muscles aren't being put to the test as they're constantly used.
The video I watched stated that you do as many per day that you can, without feeling sore the next day. what is your strat?
 

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I don't think about exercising too much, I would just follow that video. I definitely agree there's no pain here at all and I've done a lot of reps.
 

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I have decent sized man boobs and decent pecs under them, making for a strange muscular man boob. Im going to start eating right. Feeling fat jiggle as I walk down the stairs is pretty distressing as someone who has been skinny their whole life. I was going to start the high reps stuff like you, but then I hurt myself a little and must wait.
 

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I really want to invent or build a structure outside my window that reflects all the light inside into these like upside-down trofs, where the light would then reflect to the ceiling being nice and bright. Pretty sure this is a thing but I want to do it. this would save so much electricity if all buildings used it, using lights only at night or when it was dark. We would also get more sunlight.
 

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I really want to invent or build a structure outside my window that reflects all the light inside into these like upside-down trofs, where the light would then reflect to the ceiling being nice and bright. Pretty sure this is a thing but I want to do it. this would save so much electricity if all buildings used it, using lights only at night or when it was dark. We would also get more sunlight.

Interesting idea, when the light hit the ground mirror you could put it through a concave-esque lens so the light spreads out evenly.
 

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I really want to invent or build a structure outside my window that reflects all the light inside into these like upside-down trofs, where the light would then reflect to the ceiling being nice and bright. Pretty sure this is a thing but I want to do it. this would save so much electricity if all buildings used it, using lights only at night or when it was dark. We would also get more sunlight.

Interesting idea, when the light hit the ground mirror you could put it through a concave-esque lens so the light spreads out evenly.
Im going to put some thought into this and see what I come up with. The biggest problem is not burning down your house, blinding yourself, or worse having poor lighting.

YO I got an idea. So you get a mirror to focus the light, use a lense to slightly diffuse the light, so that your "beam" is about 1inch diameter, send your beam through piping, the piping has lenses that will take some of the light from the beam and send it outside of the pipe. up or to the sides. the lenses would cut more into the light beam as it goes, only needing a small portion of the beam to supply the room with light. YEET
what u think
this technique would be too precise to pull of at home but in a lab you could make the lenses in the pip distribute the light perfectly for like 30ft. BASED ON SPECULATION
 

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Mattresses should have grommets on the corners so you could hook sheets to the corners of the bed. its like we are walking around without shoe strings someone please make this happen.
 

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My little entertaining video for the day:

 

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Im trying an experiment to only listen to music while im reading, hopefully associating the enjoyment of the music with reading, making reading easier. Also im going to trying only eating while reading, for those bØØk gains
 

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pretty soon I will be building tremendous debt, depending on what is wrong with me I will be spending at least 4k, and i could need heart surgery, thats about $70k. I wont have to be gentle with my life, but It will be a weight over my head. it freaks me out.
I just watched capt sinbad's how to stop being a nice guy video and a few things hit home: denying your human needs, I didnt notice but I try to never act attracted to anyone, I dont know where I learned this or why I started but its important that i stop. hiding your flaws, flaws make you relatable. As a child I was very different and now if i start to act human everyones like oh whats going on, I thought you didnt need anyone bleh bleh balah. its annoying. the people around me are making my strive to be healthy more difficult, I want to start over with new people. I almost deem being human as weak. maybe I try not to be a man because the men in my life have been shit. tomorrow I can see the doctor and have my meds adjusted, the anxiety meds hardly worked, so I need to up the dosage. preferable I wouldnt take them but I need some sort of jump start. If I could exercise the way I want I wouldnt need meds, but since I cant do anything serious im in limbo, I have that driven break-your-body david goggins mindset in me, I had to turn it off when I had a very bad chest pain spread down my arm. that was probably a heart attack but I didnt know at the time. I used to push myself extremely hard, then I realized I had a heart problem and couldnt push myself, Ive fallen into mediocrity and its miserable. Im almost happy ive been isolated for so long, I feel as if I had tried to mingle I would have fucked up so badly I would have trauma from rejection. Ive learned so much about people and myself its amazing. I believe in life its best to start of with kindness, never offering contempt until the other party brings it out hard, this has payed off for me once. A dog is a better companion once you teach it to vocalize its emotions. Ive lost a few pounds on my diet of not counting calories, just eating healthy and never eating to the point of being full, waiting until im actually hungry to eat. You dont have to count calories if you eat healthy and feel like you are starving most of the time, when you feel like you arent starving your losing the battle, friend.
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And if im unlucky I wont make a full recover with surgery, or surgery wont even be an option. or I will die, im gonna roll those dice tho, or throw my pc in a lake first, then roll those dice.
I hate interacting with people my age, its so uncomfortable. Older people or kids are so much easier. I talked to a guy with aspergers once and he asked if i had it since im weird, I said i dont know and we had a very cool conversation that went from lasers to nuclear power to neuroscience to what is the point in all of this if its just a chemical reaction. he was a dick, but we could have talked for hours. seriously he stole from a charity, i would have said something but i was feeling nihilistic, and was happy to watch the world burn. he was the only student to rival my knowledge of psychology. and he knew 7 languages, I was sad to say I am only learning 1.
I was out autistic'ed.
the condition I most likly have is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypertrophic_cardiomyopathy
can cause sudden cardiac death. Sound bad? s'caus it is.
 

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Apparently I can deadlift 310lbs with no training, i weigh 170. After one lift I was like ha yeah not again, I kept my back straight but it was my max for sure.

oof! Impressive, but be careful. I still have pretty bad back and shoulder issues because I didn't take it easy enough. I mention this, because it's common among NTs with drive. It body can be really resilient and strong because it thinks it has to do everything you ask it to do, to the point it wears itself out too much. Be safe.
 

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Apparently I can deadlift 310lbs with no training, i weigh 170. After one lift I was like ha yeah not again, I kept my back straight but it was my max for sure.

oof! Impressive, but be careful. I still have pretty bad back and shoulder issues because I didn't take it easy enough. I mention this, because it's common among NTs with drive. It body can be really resilient and strong because it thinks it has to do everything you ask it to do, to the point it wears itself out too much. Be safe.
it was quite scary having pain between my shoulders, I thought I may have hurt my spine. I was lucky enough this time that my moment of stupidity didnt affect the rest of my life. I lifted too much too soon, I didnt know what to do with my arms since I was worried about my back. Fear is a good teacher.
 

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Apparently I can deadlift 310lbs with no training, i weigh 170. After one lift I was like ha yeah not again, I kept my back straight but it was my max for sure.

oof! Impressive, but be careful. I still have pretty bad back and shoulder issues because I didn't take it easy enough. I mention this, because it's common among NTs with drive. It body can be really resilient and strong because it thinks it has to do everything you ask it to do, to the point it wears itself out too much. Be safe.
How did you hurt yourself?
I could see NT's hurting themselves, by overdoing it.
 

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I ran out of "procrastination time" to finish my diagrams about some of my thoughts about the reasons we may procrastinate and how it impacts our ability to retain information, our sense of time, and our inclination to learn.

So I came here to procrastinate for a slightly longer period of time by posting these diagrams to see if anyone has any thoughts on the matter?

Essentially, I'm thinking that our perspective of how "long" a set amount of time is (like two hours) is affected by our assessment of how much risk of discomfort the activity represents...I believe we develop this risk assessment based on a neurological circuit that responds to lack of stimuli by engaging the same systems in the brain that are responsible for committing experiential memories, such as incidences of danger. By looking at some common traits that everyday experiences share in the sensory, physical, and intellectual areas, we can identify a theme whereby there are essentially two categories of "basic needs" that we have, and activities which satisfy those needs are most likely to be deemed satisfying and interesting, and the least likely to generate a sense of avoidance. The basic needs would be our need for psychoactive stimuli, and our need for physical freedom, essentially. When these needs are violated, our brain commits the violation to memory and we develop a sense of avoidance.
I hope I'm making sense here!
Anyways...all of this, I think, is somewhat straight-forward - but here, I'll take a bit of a leap. The circuitry responsible for handling emotions and committing to memory emotion-based experiences is fairly primitive, right? It involves structures such as the hippocampus, the amygdala, etc. The reptilian brain.
Well...boredom is a complex human emotion. Animals get bored, in a fashion, but they do not seem to establish the same sense of dread that humans establish when considering an activity associated with boredom. (I might be mistaken about that, though)...Either way, I think that the root emotion associated with boredom is actually fear.
We're afraid of taking a risk to commit our time to a task that violates our two basic needs of psycho stimulation, and physical freedom (to maintain homeostasis). We're afraid to go to work, because we're afraid we might not like it. Or else, we're afraid to sit through class, because we're afraid we may be bored. Although it is not a degree of fear that should trigger a physiological response in the way that a dangerous trigger would, it is enough fear to stimulate avoidance.
Here's another great example - the fear of getting up in the morning. Fearing that you will be tired. Fearing that the state of tiredness will violate your homeostasis.
Anyways, I thought that this fear-based task avoidance distorts our perception of time. Two hours sitting in church (or in a college class) seems immeasurably longer than two hours playing a video game.
When we DO trigger the "boredom state" in the brain, whereby the brain uses additional energy to stimulate other brain areas to compensate for the deficit - we decrease our ability to retain information. With each iteration of the boredom brain state, we have a tendency to revert to this state faster and faster when we subsequently revisit the task/obligation, which has a negative impact on our ability to learn.

I'm sorry - I need to spend more time fleshing out this idea...but for now, I must get back to work! I'm just going to post these drawings now...and see if anyone has any thoughts on the subject.
Any ideas on how we can reprogram the mind to have a more realistic appreciation for time durations in the face of fear-based procrastination?

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How did you hurt yourself?
I could see NT's hurting themselves, by overdoing it.

Increasing weight for reps too quickly for my bones and joints. Just because you CAN do something.. doesn’t mean you should. Within 6 months, my maxes were my weight in chest press, and twice my weight in squats, never having done weights before. I slightly was incorrectly instructed on form, and confused unusual pain for fatigue. And then after I was taking a break, I was in a small car accident. Only recently have I become aware of the damage the accident had on my spine (and small muscles surrounding the spine). On top of that, my upper back, neck and shoulder are really messed up due to repetitive-motion-injuries (these come from playing an instrument too much, like how you can get carpal tunnel by texting too much). Story short, i do not do weights anymore. Yoga has really helped me be active again without too much stress on my joints. It also really helps me identify which muscles I’m using incorrectly day-day, and where I carry to much tension.
 

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How did you hurt yourself?
I could see NT's hurting themselves, by overdoing it.

Increasing weight for reps too quickly for my bones and joints. Just because you CAN do something.. doesn’t mean you should. Within 6 months, my maxes were my weight in chest press, and twice my weight in squats, never having done weights before. I slightly was incorrectly instructed on form, and confused unusual pain for fatigue. And then after I was taking a break, I was in a small car accident where I’m not just being to become aware of the damage that had on my spine (and small muscles surrounding the spine). On top of that, my upper back, neck and shoulder are really messed up due to repetitive-motion-injuries (these come from playing an instrument too much, like how you can get carpal tunnel by texting too much). Story short, i do not do weights anymore. Yoga has really helped me be active again without too much stress on my joints. It also really helps me identify which muscles I’m using incorrectly day-day, and where I carry to much tension.

It's not appropriate for spinal injuries, but have you tried a foam roller for other muscles? I love mine.
 

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it was quite scary having pain between my shoulders, I thought I may have hurt my spine. I was lucky enough this time that my moment of stupidity didnt affect the rest of my life. I lifted too much too soon, I didnt know what to do with my arms since I was worried about my back. Fear is a good teacher.

Listen to your body. Ice, stretch, then heat.
My muscles there are so tense and twisted that I literally have a lump on between my spine and scapula on the right :(
 

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it was quite scary having pain between my shoulders, I thought I may have hurt my spine. I was lucky enough this time that my moment of stupidity didnt affect the rest of my life. I lifted too much too soon, I didnt know what to do with my arms since I was worried about my back. Fear is a good teacher.

Listen to your body. Ice, stretch, then heat.
My muscles there are so tense and twisted that I literally have a lump on between my spine and scapula on the right :(
I will start streching.

So I went to the doctor for a referral to a heart specialist and to up my meds. cant up my meds since I stopped taking them a month ago, despite being on the lowest dosage possible. Cant get a referral to a heart specialist because I need an ekg. despite having a referral a year ago.
doctor: you need an ekg to get a referral
me: I had one and it didnt show anything, the reason I got the referral was because I have symptoms of serious heart diseases.
doctor: YoU NeEd An EkG To GeT A NeW ReFeRrAl
me: rEeEeEeEeEeEeEeEeeeEeEEEEE
How am I supposed to like people when they are so fucking terrible? Why is everything a one size fits all? I fucking hate people, PEOPLESUCK
oh you have a heart problem that needs attention asap, lets have 15 appointments to talk about it and do tests that wont help. YES
try to make me pay for a medication that barely even works for 3 months so that you can give me a dosage that is still low af, are you serious? Bitch I didnt even havemoney to pay for the new dosage and now Im actually further back than I started wtf? this right here, is why I have no faith in humanity. AMerica bois home of fuck your mental health and have this gun. reeee im upset!
 

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feeling helpless again. time to start coping
 
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