The Random Thoughts Thread

[Sinny91]

Possibly one of the vilest self proclaimed INTPs I have come across:

Spoiler

 

[bvanevery]

News in the USA is usually so bad, even local news, that I opened the newspaper expecting something bad. When the headline had the word "shot" in it, I immediately thought oh no here we go again. "Baker may have shot at gold tonight". Well for a moment I'm thinking it's a loony doing target practice at a medallion, hope it isn't one that someone's wearing. What a violent society, that even our positive actions are framed in terms of shooting things.

 

[TBerg]

Violent crime plummeted after the advent of the Prison Industial Complex. It is a principle of marketing that the more you hype something, the less you should trust something, because it means that people haven't been buying what you are selling. The most desperate headlines are usually, in this way, a sign of their ultimate fraudulence. Thus when people attempt to downplay pathologies in the black community and the threat of Muslims immigrating to the West, it means that they are attempting to market it out of existence. And when you see people hyped up over hate speech or a couple cases of Western bullying, that guarantees there is less to it than meets the eye.

It is not "we" who are violent, but others.

 

[TBerg]

News, by definition, focuses on the exceptions, rather than the rule.

 

[bvanevery]

Thus when people attempt to downplay pathologies in the black community and the threat of Muslims immigrating to the West, it means that they are attempting to market it out of existence.

In both cases it's called poverty.

It is not "we" who are violent, but others.

The violence is the systemic oppression which creates the poverty.

 

[TBerg]

We tried those tired Marxist ideas before. Then we had twice the violent crime we have now. It began to fall again after free market ideas tempered the welfare state as well as after we started to get tough on criminals.

Reagan and Clinton coincided with these structural changes. Indeed, they were agents of the change.

 

[bvanevery]

We tried those tired Marxist ideas before.

It's not like Capitalist oppressors stop doing what they're doing, or are brought to heel in any way. On what basis could you possibly conclude that the USA is free of racism? Or that systemic poverty has ended? Or that we don't still make wars in the Middle East to control the oil supplies? Didn't you notice the housing bubble?

Then we had twice the violent crime we have now. It began to fall again after free market ideas tempered the welfare state as well as after we started to get tough on criminals.

Correlation is not causality and you have to do more than just believe in some soundbite for it to be true.

 

[Sinny91]

I wonder if dissociative personalities use different cognitive functions...

 

[TBerg]

How does what you say in any way justify brushing under the rug the widespread problems in black communities and among Muslims?

How are you so certain that your assumptions are correct when LBJ enacted something pleasing to your mindset, and then more blacks were destroyed than happened under Jim Crow and Slavery? How come Reagan and Clinton pushing against LBJ and Justice Warren coincided with the only decrease in crime? How come more Muslims are doing worse and worse things while we become ever more multiculturalist and Progressive? How come Black Lives Matter coincides with the Ferguson Effect? (It was verified a researcher under the Obama administration, by the way.). Why was there less violence in Iraq and more secularism while it was under occupation?

 

[bvanevery]

How does what you say in any way justify brushing under the rug the widespread problems in black communities and among Muslims?

It's really pretty simple. Ending poverty isn't profitable, and most of society's actors are interested in profit. That's why the Prison Industrial Complex exists, because it's profitable. Why pay for education or job training, when you can wait for them to commit 'crimes' a lot of which are just drug violations and disobedience to people at school? Then you've got a captive labor force to make widgets in prison for next to no money, AND you've got taxpayers building prisons and paying for guards. This is great business for the PIC. They have no incentive to end any of it at all, any more than the Military Industrial Complex has a motive to stop supplying bombs and drones in the Middle East.

Systemic actors don't want any of the problems to end. Another example would be extremists in Israel-Palestine. They will always provoke another incident so that violence will be sustained. I'm not just talking about Palestinian terrorists, I'm talking about Israeli far right people as well. The less extreme members of society are caught in the middle, and don't have the political will to bring either kind of extremist to heel. So they just live with a certain amount of terrorism as background noise.

How come more Muslims are doing worse and worse things while we become ever more multiculturalist and Progressive?

With regards to the USA, we invaded Iraq.

With regards to Europe, particularly France, Muslims are quite repressed.

Why was there less violence in Iraq and more secularism while it was under occupation?

What on Earth are you talking about? They had a sectarian civil war and tons of Iraqis died. We precipitated that chaos, we didn't 'occupy' much of anything.

 

[TBerg]

You need to go far deeper than that. Things are much more than they seem. It is easy to explain things materially in this materialistic age, but I urge you to consider other explanations. I have heard what you have said time and time again, but the hollow nature of present culture demands a reawakening of that which goes beyond the economic consideration. Culture is a two-way process. The top affects the bottom and the bottom affects the top, and so we must examine the role of Marxism in deconstructing the meaning of our society and culture and leading the masses to consider themselves as economic units rather than cultural agents. It also leads the masses to the narcissism of resentment of that which is higher instead of the obedience and reverence of that which is higher. Thus we require no sacrifices for the spiritual edification of our society and make the primary consideration getting the material that we desire.

You may say that capitalism already created economic units, and that is something that must be considered. But capitalism, as Marx asserted, was a bourgeois revolution that had not yet infected the masses with materialism. Socialists were the ones who brought materialism to the masses. So you can see that it was the impulse to narcissistic materialism that brought us to this point, and not merely capitalism. Socialism just spreads this entropy farther and marches us down the path of communism, what Nietzsche would have called the state of the Last Man. When the Last Man becomes content and comfortable, he wants no more, and so he prepares to die.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Sometimes I think that Muslim Extremists are just terminator robots on drugs or something.

 

[bvanevery]

Culture is a two-way process. The top affects the bottom and the bottom affects the top,

The top is calling the shots. When you forget that, you run the risk of participating in cultural hegemony.

In Marxist philosophy, cultural hegemony is the domination of a culturally diverse society, by the ruling class who manipulate the culture of that society—the beliefs, explanations, perceptions, values, and mores—so that their imposed, ruling-class worldview becomes the accepted cultural norm; the universally valid dominant ideology, which justifies the social, political, and economic status quo as natural and inevitable, perpetual and beneficial for everyone, rather than as artificial social constructs that benefit only the ruling class.[1][2]

and so we must examine the role of Marxism in deconstructing the meaning of our society and culture and leading the masses to consider themselves as economic units rather than cultural agents.

Marxism merely has a correct historical analysis of why things are happening. It has no solutions for changing anything, other than "historical awareness" being a precondition of change. Basically, I'm saying collective action mostly doesn't work, and revolution certainly doesn't work.

 

[TBerg]

You assume there is no element of Progressive cultural hegemony and no element of social vanguards pushing for new forms of cultural hegemony.

Has it ever occurred to you that anything that could be construed by the rulers and their vanguard shock troops as White Supremacist Patriarchy is the new enemy of the hegemon?

 

[bvanevery]

You assume there is no element of Progressive cultural hegemony and no element of social vanguards pushing for new forms of cultural hegemony.

I think you are saying there is a Progressive ruling class that wants to make systems that only benefit Progressive ruling elites. I think this would inevitably have to mean, wealthy progressives. For instance, maybe they won't want anyone to have guns, because they will always buy property in neighborhoods that aren't terribly dangerous. Maybe they will insist that rain forests not be cut down, because they will always be able to pay 4x as much per lb. for beef.

But since Donald Trump has secured the Presidential nomination of the Republican party, we can clearly see that they don't have that kind of power, at least in the USA. Desire for hegemony is not the same as facts on the ground.

Multinational capitalism is far closer to entrenched cultural hegemony. What Big Corps [TM] make people do, those are pretty much facts on the ground. Including buying Congress.

Progressives do tend to want to benefit people, whether it works out that way or not. Corporations only intend to benefit shareholders, which are pretty much wealthy ruling elites as far as who has substantial voting shares.

A major metric would be who spends time redistributing wealth to those that don't have it, and what kind of differentials of wealth exist in the society.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

You assume there is no element of Progressive cultural hegemony and no element of social vanguards pushing for new forms of cultural hegemony.

Has it ever occurred to you that anything that could be construed by the rulers and their vanguard shock troops as White Supremacist Patriarchy is the new enemy of the hegemon?

Wtf is hegemon even a real digimon?

 

[TBerg]

I may be communicating in a more opaque manner than I realize. What I am saying is that Progressivism has permeated our society in general, meaning that archaic ideas of race and family and sexuality are now superimposed by liberal ideas of freedom and tolerance as well as Progressive ideas of Social Justice. That makes it possible for our media to judge racial and sexual disparity within the context of oppression rather than natural or noble ideals of race and family.

When it comes to our political season, we can see that Trump is now suffering in the polls, to the extent to which he may even lose South Carolina to Clinton. That is an amazing trend that relies upon media complicity. It is not the media's fault that he has made strategic blunders, but we know that they are necessary disseminators of his ineptitude. The public is clearly not awakened enough to throw any old thing into the continual march toward a more Progressive future. So Progressive hegemony looks to be headed towards a stronger entrenchment at this very moment.

And it is not certain that the Progressive Elite works for the interests of the people if they frequently fund social movements that result in more chaos and then seek to profit from the financial results in the stock market and commodities market by placing bets in congruity with said reality.

 

[TBerg]

What is becoming more and more clear is that I am profoundly dissociated, making my soul divided against itself and its power dispersed. I do not have a great will that can conquer the world, and so I must defer to my superiors, who I can find in books and YouTube videos.

I my divided nature reflects the contradictions inherent in my family and childhood. The ideals that I received from my parents and watching PBS contradicted the reality that I saw on the ground. My greatest hopes lead me towards infantile regression, and so I must search beyond myself.

 

[Tannhauser]

I don't know how useful it is to try fit narratives to the past, Tberg. The only thing that matters is the current situation.

 

[TBerg]

I am not so sure I understand how your criticism actually fits the narrative I was attempting to lay out, Tannhauser. Could you elaborate?

 

[Bad Itch]

There were twelve wontons.
Un-chewable to the last.
Next time try egg rolls.

 

[Tannhauser]

I am not so sure I understand how your criticism actually fits the narrative I was attempting to lay out, Tannhauser. Could you elaborate?

It was more of a random thought than a criticism, really. It might be inapplicable to your narrative (I was mostly focused on the references to childhood and family), but what I meant to say that narratives related to 'what caused such and such circumstances in my life' will usually be flawed, biased, and futile. Futile in the best case even. At worst, it's a drug one is addicted to, and which serves as a substitute for generating effort.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

I may be communicating in a more opaque manner than I realize. What I am saying is that Progressivism has permeated our society in general, meaning that archaic ideas of race and family and sexuality are now superimposed by liberal ideas of freedom and tolerance as well as Progressive ideas of Social Justice. That makes it possible for our media to judge racial and sexual disparity within the context of oppression rather than natural or noble ideals of race and family.

When it comes to our political season, we can see that Trump is now suffering in the polls, to the extent to which he may even lose South Carolina to Clinton. That is an amazing trend that relies upon media complicity. It is not the media's fault that he has made strategic blunders, but we know that they are necessary disseminators of his ineptitude. The public is clearly not awakened enough to throw any old thing into the continual march toward a more Progressive future. So Progressive hegemony looks to be headed towards a stronger entrenchment at this very moment.

And it is not certain that the Progressive Elite works for the interests of the people if they frequently fund social movements that result in more chaos and then seek to profit from the financial results in the stock market and commodities market by placing bets in congruity with said reality.

Opaque or not, it's nice to see some more of your thoughts.

So, you have dissociation too, huh?

NWO, Anon spreads silently, not a lot changes, things always end violently...

Bottleneck approaches; physical forms fitting through remain highly uncertain, fight for survival of formations as Spiritual beings inhabit them; a war, navigated on high by superior beings, certain characteristics of the end goal are already locked in, such as humanity survives a long time from today.

Truth remains to the state of present living, yet such is tautological. Chaos and Order are dual aspects; the butterfly begets the tornado, the destruction is kept in reserves. We live and die each moment as we assert effort of Will.

Higher states attained nonetheless, peak to trough too quickly is less likely. Such is past action judged. Mind as we are now, seeks knowledge of these matters, the progression not just of self but as world, given that the higher reflects the lower, fractals overlay on many scales.

World exists subjectively; seek a higher world around, for all things are in the one. False powers rising are exposed as false; Truth becomes one's own, Truth binds each to their kind, yet bindings broken freely. Such expressed love and fear, as freedom and its absence.

The Earth is an organism, growing, attempting healing and transcendence to the new stage of its Life. We are mere cells, albeit one's with a more critical role in its overall functioning. Key pieces effect greater change through positioning, given proper effort enforced.

The people are deluded. May they be woken? The powers are corrupt. May they be stopped? The hand playing them goes beyond our knowledge. May we judge it? We are all we know, we seek out best for faith in our place in the universe, we seek to maintain strength in the face of obstacles, for these seek only to dissuade us temporarily from experiencing what life has to offer. Through attempt at our own experiential intensity, we give thought to these things. We speak to effect change, whether it is real or not, for to our minds the reality is impossible to be questioned.

What shall I say of the world outside? Yet to be determined.

 

[TBerg]

It was more of a random thought than a criticism, really. It might be inapplicable to your narrative (I was mostly focused on the references to childhood and family), but what I meant to say that narratives related to 'what caused such and such circumstances in my life' will usually be flawed, biased, and futile. Futile in the best case even. At worst, it's a drug one is addicted to, and which serves as a substitute for generating effort.

Seth Godin also says that we need to build new narratives for ourselves, something I have been attempting. But it is definitely hard for me, because I have seemed alienated from any secure identities all my life. I have developed business plans and looked for opportunities to meet people who share my interests, but I live in an area of lesser development. It could turn to my advantage, with me being in a little pond, but it will be hard to find my first foothold.

Another thing is that I need to find more places online to start finding others interested in what I am doing.

 

[bvanevery]

So Progressive hegemony looks to be headed towards a stronger entrenchment at this very moment.

I finally came to the conclusion that no matter what few independent or maverick ideas Trump might have in him, in most ways he's a serious throwback to the bad old days. So bad, that even a noticeable portion of the Republican party repudiates him. We don't need this unfiltered bigot in office. He doesn't know when to shut up, when to stop running his mouth, how to engage anyone other than attack mode... basically he has no diplomatic skill at all. And that's important for the US President, the person most able to start wars on this planet. Never mind the nukes. I don't think I want someone this impulsive and undisciplined minding the nukes.

Don't "despair" about Progressive hegemony TBerg. You'll get a few white supremacists shooting some BLM protesters dead before too long. Almost happened in MN already. One of the 5 victims, the bullet is so close to his arteries that they can't remove it from his body. In other words, pretty much luck it isn't a murder charge. The trigger puller is facing 1st degree assault charges, i.e. premeditated, not just "I had to defend myself from the nasty crowd of blacks trying to hurt me" like people want to tell it. Although, it'll be for a jury to decide. Don't call me surprised if he's convicted.

Basically what I'm saying is, the alternative political world view you seem to be fond of and want to court, is doing everything it can to discredit itself. Why do you think the Republican Party is floundering so badly? Because its grassroots constituents like bigotry and said loud and clear they want a bigot to try to do something for them. Plus they "hate Hillary" like apocalyptic zombies for some reason. "Hil-la-ree... Hil-la-ree..." They did the same to O-ba-ma... O-ba-ma...

I'm thinking the Republicans need to lose big, for them to finally start doing some soul searching and getting their party's act together. It's not like Hillary was that strong a canditate, she's in no way unbeatable. You have to be really weak to be trailing 10 points to her.

And it is not certain that the Progressive Elite works for the interests of the people if they frequently fund social movements that result in more chaos and then seek to profit from the financial results in the stock market and commodities market by placing bets in congruity with said reality.

How dare those blacks engage in civil disobedience to secure their civil rights! The nerve of them uppity niggers! Next thing you know, women will be burning bras. OMFG they'll get the Presidency back to back. Let's move to Nazi Argentina while there's still time.

Boy you would love France. Workers want something there, they shut down the whole country. The punchline: they still treat Muslims like shit! Trying to come up with a crack about the socialist taking the colony out of the colonial, but I'm not managing it. Anyways you want to figure that one out, go study Algeria.

 

[dang]

People are an endless source of disappointment for me.

 

[Tannhauser]

"[...] millennials, who are generally defined as being 35 or younger, will have to rely on their own savings for retirement, while also facing record-high house prices and rising unemployment."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ls-are-collateral-damage-as-pension-gap-grows

It's time for some self-pity, folks.

 

[bvanevery]

People are an endless source of disappointment for me.

Is there any part of reality you don't find disappointing? Meditate on that.

 

[bvanevery]

"[...] millennials, who are generally defined as being 35 or younger, will have to rely on their own savings for retirement, while also facing record-high house prices and rising unemployment."

If my economics match that, do I get to be a millennial?

['cuz you know they all ridin' elephants!]

It's time for some self-pity, folks.

Don't worry! If it gets bad enough, the USA will finally get a 3rd viable party. I predict Socialist. Either that or you can look forwards to gunplay in the streets. Sharpen your skills before then.

 

[TheManBeyond]

brutal song
for recovering

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLjL8T727NI

 

[TBerg]

The Kouachi brothers were orphans, and Moussaui (the twentieth hijacker) was middle class. His mom said that they had nothing to complain about.

Leftists can't explain that based upon oppression. They would have to use rightist notions such as family breakdown and enemy tribal customs to explain it.

Why is it that even after Muslims are taking over place after place in Europe, attacks are on the increase?

 

[TBerg]

Here is the article that proves Trump right on border issues, by the way:

http://fusion.net/story/17321/is-rape-the-price-to-pay-for-migrant-women-chasing-the-american-dream/

 

[Sinny91]

Some of the most annoying things in life:

1) Not knowing what you want
2) Selling yourself short
3) Not being able to have what you want
4) I forgot ... ETA) Being given what you don't want
5) stuff

 

[Bad Itch]

A strand of hair has been wedged between the display and lid of my laptop for months. About 1/4 of the way up the right hand side, extending out maybe 0.5cm into view.

It has been there every day, in view, while I am working and when I am goofing off. I've mostly ignored it, the way you might ignore scar tissue on your eyeball that you can sort of see in your field of vision unless you try looking right at it.

A moment ago I sort of absently reached over and swept it away.

Immediately afterwards I realized that this was a piece of my late cat and in the momentary distress that followed I got a flashlight and a pair of very fine tweezers, located the hair and put it back where I originally found it.

 

[dang]

Is there any part of reality you don't find disappointing? Meditate on that.

Dogs.

 

[dang]

Is there any part of reality you don't find disappointing? Meditate on that.

Sushi.

 

[dang]

Is there any part of reality you don't find disappointing? Meditate on that.

My bed.

 

[Bad Itch]

Dogs.

But the reality of dogs is that we've (humans) ruined them through breeding. In spite of their loyalty and general awesomeness we should feel really guilty about dogs and disappointed that they don't eat more of us for what we've done to them.

 

[Bad Itch]

Sushi.

But the rising (peaked?) popularity of sushi just exacerbates over-fishing and all the social, and political difficulties that arise from that. Now we don't know if we're getting farmed fish, fake fish, fish full of mercury or other toxins. There's an "all you can eat" sushi buffet nearby which everyone keeps telling me to go experience. Also, fish fuck in our water, and we're running out of that. Sushi is awesome but we should be disappointed.

 

[Bad Itch]

My bed.

Have you checked that for what kind of flame retardant chemicals are in it? (I dunno maybe they stopped putting that stuff in there).

Also... all those mites and dead skin...

I have to go burn my mattress, now that I'm thinking about it.

 

[dang]

Have you checked that for what kind of flame retardant chemicals are in it? (I dunno maybe they stopped putting that stuff in there).

Also... all those mites and dead skin...

I have to go burn my mattress, now that I'm thinking about it.

You are right. Everything is utterly disappointing and hopeless. Let's burn our mattresses together and then jump into a live volcano. Goodbye cruel world. Good bye.

 

[Bad Itch]

You are right. Everything is utterly disappointing and hopeless. Let's burn our mattresses together and then jump into a live volcano. Goodbye cruel world. Good bye.

No, but cows are udderly disappointing... I don't think real milk comes out of those anymore.

Volcanos ruin good real estate... also disappointing.

What's really awesome is all the disappointment inherent in like... everything - variety is the spice of strife!

 

[dang]

No, but cows are udderly disappointing... I don't think real milk comes out of those anymore.

Volcanos ruin good real estate... also disappointing.

What's really awesome is all the disappointment inherent in like... everything - variety is the spice of strife!

Disappointment is disappointing also. Oy vey!

 

[Bad Itch]

Disappointment is disappointing also. Oy vey!

It's the one thing you can count on. That and the "word on the street". So, the second thing you can count on.

 

[TBerg]

Bvanevery, the "white supremacist" you talk of has evidence he wasn't even involved in the shooting. Do you ever read behind the headlines before you indict people?

All I can say is that all of this violence would not have occurred were it not for white people, like you, who tell black people they are oppressed and that their actions are justified by their oppression. If society can be held responsible for the violence, then white Progressives have blood on their hands for the Ferguson Effect, which has led to at least a SIXTEEN percent increase in murders in major cities. How can people really not understand this at this point?

 

[peoplesuck]

I know this is a dumb question but i hugged a woman who had on a shirt and bra and i felt something really warm or wet against me. Uh? Do female nipples get hot or did i imagine this? O.o

 

[Grayman]

I know this is a dumb question but i hugged a woman who had on a shirt and bra and i felt something really warm or wet against me. Uh? Do female nipples get hot or did i imagine this? O.o

Maybe lactating.

In transitional periods between feeding or after stopping a womans breast will fill with milk and be full of painful pressures. Maybe the hug caused the pressure ti rise more and the milk to leak out.

 

[bvanevery]

The Kouachi brothers were orphans,

I'm going to hazard a guess that the mother committed suicide due to economic pressure. Then, orphanages are no picnic.

and Moussaui (the twentieth hijacker) was middle class. His mom said that they had nothing to complain about.

Whenever I hear the parents weigh on on some freak son of theirs that just murdered a lot of people, I assume they're in denial and won't fess up to the horrible things they did along the way to breed such a psychopath.

Leftists can't explain that based upon oppression. They would have to use rightist notions such as family breakdown and enemy tribal customs to explain it.

Rather, I think you need to ask what the parents are lying to you about. Severe economic stress does destroy families BTW.

Why is it that even after Muslims are taking over place after place in Europe, attacks are on the increase?

Define "take over". Are Muslims earning good wages and having no trouble with glass ceilings? Are they actually in charge of their neighborhoods? Do they have good relationships with the police?

 

[bvanevery]

Immediately afterwards I realized that this was a piece of my late cat and in the momentary distress that followed I got a flashlight and a pair of very fine tweezers, located the hair and put it back where I originally found it.

I have left the laptop bag that the late Louise enjoyed as a bed / nest, under the nightstand in the bedroom I sleep in at my Mom's house. I'm not willing to have this bond between us be forgotten. I thought it was the best thing, that she found this great use for a laptop bag. Coincidentally the laptop has died anyways, probably the video card finally going kaput. I shoved the laptop on a high shelf as it won't be needing the bag really. Better to use it for cat memory.

 

[bvanevery]

Bvanevery, the "white supremacist" you talk of has evidence he wasn't even involved in the shooting. Do you ever read behind the headlines before you indict people?

Allen Scarsella is the probable white supremacist in question. He is charged with 1st degree assault. Nothing on my web searches is popping up remotely like what you claim. So, provide a cite for what you claim.

All I can say is that all of this violence would not have occurred were it not for white people, like you, who tell black people they are oppressed and that their actions are justified by their oppression.

You really think people will take shit indefinitely and not figure it out on their own? Even the Romans had to deal with revolts.