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The paradox of IQ testing.

HDINTP

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Hmm. As far as I know IQ is not actual measurement of Intelligence but rather clostest construct we have that tries to measure "Intelligence". Though we are not able to define it anyway... How funny :D.

In OP there is stated it matters to some limit. I have read somewhere that about 125 is average for "Top Intellectual professions" and up to about 133 benefits and above that range it rather hurts you...

With that said I used to care/have interest in IQ a lot BUT today I think most things IQ tests test are sort of "adoptable algorithms" that I don't believe most people would be unable to use...
 

Animekitty

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#52
Hmm. As far as I know IQ is not actual measurement of Intelligence but rather clostest construct we have that tries to measure "Intelligence". Though we are not able to define it anyway... How funny :D.
When I try to communicate and the other person says I am playing word games it makes me irritated. I put effort attempting a meaningful discourse but then what I've said is rejected. IQ tests being called palm reading irritates me significantly because the paragraphs and paragraphs I wrote were trying to explain why that is not the case is dismissed as word games. I am a smart guy he says but then he says I believe in palm reading. (pounds head against keyboard)

Yes, the tests are just the closest construct, they do not measure intelligence directly but that is not same as palm reading. The brain has connections that work together and indirectly we can know mostly the results externally when the brain interacts with the environment. We can indirectly measure the number of different types of information a brain can manipulate and the amount manipulated.

My mental manipulation abilities are severely limited in key areas. And very high in other areas. The brain has 180 areas that the wires connect to. The communication between those 180 areas determines mental manipulation. The brain is a network, it handles information and sometimes communication inside the network is uneven in its efficiency. Indirectly we can measure the efficiency of the nodes in the network.

I do have a learning disability because my network probably has damage in some areas that are compensated by other areas. Sometimes I get visceral feelings of contortion in my mental state. I can feel my brain cramp or just become stuck. Just acting normal around people is a challenge.

If intelligence is something real then it must be from the brain processing information as a network. A network configuration will allow more or less mental control and mental manipulation. Some people will function more or less intelligently by their configuration. Overall functioning may be measured by IQ tests. I am not playing word games here. I know that if my mind was not so fucked up as me being able to painfully feel my own mental blocks. That I would not notice that my configuration was not working coherently. It is only because I can feel that areas of my brain get stuck that I am certain it must be this way that my overall functioning in life and on the tests I have taken that I am not balanced.

As the closest construct for intelligence, my doctor has told me I do have a nonverbal learning disability from the 15 subtests he saw. And I am not about to say that he is full of baloney. I am diagnosed for the past 8 years with schizoaffective disorder. Since many people criticize the mental health field such as the DSM-5 then it may be fun for some people here to discuss its baloney if they wish. Doctors are idiots, right?
 

ZenRaiden

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#53
122 or whatever Feynmans IQ was is pretty high. Given that he focused on physics since youngster its no suprise he got so far. People who think that 22 points above average is some joke are usually idiots. Mensa has lot of people who are way above 130, but they probably have lots of losers there too. IQ is measuring potential. If you actually change that potential to something useful is whether you make the effort and focus on a task.

Reason IQ cant predict things perfectly is that people dont always focus on tasks. Also no one ever said you cant have high IQ and waste it. There is absolutly nothing in theory of IQ preventing people from being idiots.

Now there is huge difference between taking a short test on IQ and actually commiting yourself for years on studying physics like Feynman did. Its likely his achivement is result of both his personality and ambitions and IQ. Not to mention he worked with some of the brightest scientist of that era. So its not like he didnt get any help.
 

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122 or whatever Feynmans IQ was is pretty high. Given that he focused on physics since youngster its no suprise he got so far. People who think that 22 points above average is some joke are usually idiots.
I think that one thing that helps the effectiveness of a person ability is that the differences between subtests are all about the same. Feynman may have had a 10 or 20 point difference between his highest and lowest score. The difference between my highest and lowest scores is 60 points. 46 points difference between my highest and lowest indexes. It's like the limbs on your right side are one thirst the size on your left side. Being evened out has advantaged even if you're not that tall. I learned that processing sped is the ability to take in information and do something with it. This has to do with vision and hearing. It is my lowest score. I make up for it with pattern recognition. I need to focus longer but I can assimilate patterns I instantly recognize as combining with other patterns I know. The one thing about my lower scores is that if I need them to help me with a complex project I will burn out faster because I do not have time to be patient. I feel like I need to push myself that being more evened out would allow me to feel less stuck in my activities.
 

HDINTP

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I think that one thing that helps the effectiveness of a person ability is that the differences between subtests are all about the same. Feynman may have had a 10 or 20 point difference between his highest and lowest score. The difference between my highest and lowest scores is 60 points. 46 points difference between my highest and lowest indexes. It's like the limbs on your right side are one thirst the size on your left side. Being evened out has advantaged even if you're not that tall. I learned that processing sped is the ability to take in information and do something with it. This has to do with vision and hearing. It is my lowest score. I make up for it with pattern recognition. I need to focus longer but I can assimilate patterns I instantly recognize as combining with other patterns I know. The one thing about my lower scores is that if I need them to help me with a complex project I will burn out faster because I do not have time to be patient. I feel like I need to push myself that being more evened out would allow me to feel less stuck in my activities.
I support focusing on your strengths rather than working on your weaknesses. I am
very unbalanced myself last time told "You are alienated and for practical life absolutely unusable". As for my abilitiest they range from being on mid-retarded level to extremely high on others - but there seems to be no compromise. I even went as far as calling myself Visual-Auditory Learner in the end...