the internet enables us to transform or project ourselves into artworks

[Brontosaurie]

discuss

 

[Base groove]

An internet persona is an abstraction of your psychic being, in consumable/communicable form

 

[TimeAsylums]

our vocal chords just enable us to extravert our cerebral abstract ideations and feelings into the world just adding entropy we should all just die come let us drink the koolaid let us feed mother gaia

 

[Cherry Cola]

evolution must triumph over entropy, it is the only way, humankind must gain the power to sustain our cauldron wherein complexity brews

also OP sucks it can be done w/o internet

 

[Reluctantly]

It represents a strong part of me. I'm really picky about my avatars. The one's I tend to keep for awhile have a strong link to my sense of identification, something that doesn't go away. The other avatars probably are a projection because my identification with them is fleeting.

I realize this might sound weird in general, but it's true.

 

[Deleted member 1424]

It represents a strong part of me. I'm really picky about my avatars. The one's I tend to keep for awhile have a strong link to my sense of identification, something that doesn't go away. The other avatars probably are a projection because my identification with them is fleeting.

I realize this might sound weird in general, but it's true.

Yeah.
Me too.

 

[Jennywocky]

It represents a strong part of me. I'm really picky about my avatars. The one's I tend to keep for awhile have a strong link to my sense of identification, something that doesn't go away. The other avatars probably are a projection because my identification with them is fleeting.

I'm really picky about my avs. I've even tried some other avs I haven't been as much into, as variety or for fun, and I just can't keep them... there's no resonance and they don't represent me well. (Re: My three-day excursion here with Deana Troi, based on a thread we were doing.)

Yeah.
Me too.

I think lavender's a good color for your hair and skin tone (not to mention to highlight those rippling pecs).

 

[Deleted member 1424]

Y'know it's really hard to find a dress that does them justice.

 

[Brontosaurie]

also OP sucks it can be done w/o internet

cba generalize the phenomenon. besides, 'internet' has a good ring to it. not a brand name; in fact pretty abstract and sufficiently descriptive as it is.

does 'enable' imply exclusivity? i don't think so. well fack it, you're simply dead wrong here. there are often multiple means to an end.

anyway please describe other ways to achieve the aesthetic projection/transformation of self. i struggle to come up with anything that resembles an internet persona in all relevant regards.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Your relationship with others is your projected personality.
Your relationship with yourself is your self-realisation and understanding of many projections.
Any form of exclamation/expression you can imagine yourself doing would be a part of you as an artwork. If it is intended to be.

 

[The Void]

I got addicted in internet and I used so much different masks for projecting different versions of myself that I in the end forgot my true self. But later I realized there is no self.
No permanent self. All imaginary constructs of the mind.

 

[Jennywocky]

Yes. There is no spork.

 

[Absurdity]

I think as far as avatars are concerned there's a weird sort of reciprocal effect. I find myself choosing certain avatars that play to a sort of aspirational persona; but at the same time I notice that different avatars cause me to behave differently on here, especially with respect to my tone. I'm not sure how true this is for others, but it if is, it would seem that not only do we project ourselves into and through art, but the art projects itself into us as well.

 

[Jennywocky]

I think as far as avatars are concerned there's a weird sort of reciprocal effect. I find myself choosing certain avatars that play to a sort of aspirational persona; but at the same time I notice that different avatars cause me to behave differently on here, especially with respect to my tone. I'm not sure how true this is for others, but it if is, it would seem that not only do we project ourselves into and through art, but the art projects itself into us as well.

We've actually discussed that reciprocal effect in other areas as well. (For example, branding oneself as an "INTP" leads to some self-molding to better conform to the expected image of INTP.)

So here is some "creative modding" to try: When someone is naughty, while not change and lock their avatar to be a pretty, little, nice fluffy critter? like a bunny? Everyone will know they are on probation, and maybe they will start acting fluffier and nicer.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

I echo the sense of authenticity attached to a good avatar, though for me it's more like a locus that I hover around instead of attach to. I choose mine in the moment, in a striking flash of authenticity, which then slowly fades until it strikes again.

I find that my internet persona reflects my true persona; my mental persona. I don't have to censor myself anywhere near as much as I do IRL. Perhaps it also increases my perception as well.

In other news, Bronto is starting to remind me of Snafu (who also started out without using capitalization).

 

[Base groove]

I find that my internet persona reflects my true persona; my mental persona. I don't have to censor myself anywhere near as much as I do IRL.

Where is your escape?

 

[BigApplePi]

the internet enables us to transform or project ourselves into artworks

The first thing I would have to ask is, is our persona the same as our creation as an artwork?

One might create a persona deliberately intended to be an artwork. I don't think of what I say here that way. I try to be as real as possible. But that internet real self is lifted from what I am and what I find here. What I find here and what I find outside irl are usually different, but I would wish them the same. They cannot be the same though.

Anyway I would prefer that what I post here to be an artwork, not myself. That preference is rarely if ever realized.

 

[The Introvert]

I agree with this:

also OP sucks it can be done w/o internet

There are these things called art and music and general existence (among others)into which we can project or transform ourselves.

More specifically on the avatar discussion:

Although I haven't the greatest amount of experience with this as this is the only forum I frequent, I've had Psyduck as my avatar since my arrival here, I believe. Do I project myself into my avatar? Maybe I do, but it isn't intentionally so. I rarely intentionally do anything to that nature because it usually fails.

My 'internet persona' is simply a more adequately thought-out/expressed version of myself. I try to be authentic - at least I think I do.

Generally speaking:

Is what makes a good artist someone who can intentionally project themselves how they wish? Or is it rather someone that just naturally expresses themselves in ways that are understandable and intriguing to other people? Both?

What is the difference in perception (of others and self) between forced projection and natural, relaxed emanation of persona?

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

Where is your escape?

I have no idea, but I always seem to find it.

Escape implies I go somewhere.; I just make whatever's chasing me go somewhere else. This is more easily accomplished when I'm inside their heads.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViftZTfRSt8

 

[Base groove]

I have no idea, but I always seem to find it.

Escape implies I go somewhere.; I just make whatever's chasing me go somewhere else. This is more easily accomplished when I'm inside their heads.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViftZTfRSt8

You have power over me?

What happens to the centre of a ball of yarn as it unravels?
What happens to the yarn?

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

You have power over me?

What happens to the centre of a ball of yarn as it unravels?
What happens to the yarn?

No, silly. I have power over your perception of me (which translates to power over me )

Spoiler

Or maybe power over your power over me...

And nothing, because the center of a ball of yarn is a minute area of empty space. The yarn is a farce. You're trying to nail down a cloud. Even if you hit it, you can never know. To capture a cloud you've got to encapsulate it, not stab at it.

Spoiler

We're not in Kansas anymore! [bimgx=600]http://wp.1920x1080.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/bing-desktop-wallpaper-344455416.jpg[/bimgx]

 

[Base groove]

And nothing, because the center of a ball of yarn is a minute area of empty space. The yarn is a farce. You're trying to nail down a cloud. Even if you hit it, you can never know. To capture a cloud you've got to encapsulate it, not stab at it.

A nail is all it takes to change a balloon forever,

All of its potential - discharged in one instant

Makes a larger bang than allowing it to deflate

Encapsulating it would never tell you what is inside, and would never prevent it from drifting off...you have to unmake it to know what it is

What is at the centre of the balloon, when it is drifting? , when it is empty? By this I mean, will the nail even hit the centre? Probably not even,

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

A nail is all it takes to change a balloon forever,

All of its potential - discharged in one instant

Makes a larger bang than allowing it to deflate

Encapsulating it would never tell you what is inside, and would never prevent it from drifting off...you have to unmake it to know what it is

What is at the centre of the balloon, when it is drifting? , when it is empty?

But the air inside never changes, and popping it merely lets it all fly by your face and over your head. You're still fixated on the balloon/yarn/facade.

What's at the center of the balloon is what surrounds the balloon. I am the wind.

 

[DelusiveNinja]

I think this avatar phenomenon has something to do with this:

in the Fe section of this INTP profile, an INTP claims that INTPs choose music to suit the mood they're already in, while INTJs (and other Fi types) choose music to influence their mood:

The mystery of emotion is also evidence in the INTP's use of music. He always chooses to listen to music which suits his current emotional state, be it aggression, warmth, excitement, relaxation or whatever. Hence, the emotional state is assumed to be an unchangeable, mysterious property of himself. It is easier to choose appropriate music than to attempt to influence this. People with introverted Feeling, Fi, however, will deliberately choose to listen to music which helps them change and improve their mood. INTPs could never do that. They feel an unpleasant sense of disharmony whenever a music style clashes with their emotional state. Indeed, it is remarkable how much attention they pay to their emotions when music is involved.

If it is true that Fe users choose their avatars based off their emotional state or psychological state, then that could explain why a lot of ENTPs change their avatars frequently. This would mean that the higher Fe and Ne is in the functional stack the more aware the individual is of their mood and the more likely they are to change their avatar to fit it. This idea collapses when you take people who identify with the INFJ personality type into account because, based off my empirical data, they tend to stick with the same avatar for a while.

 

[The Introvert]

If it is true that Fe users choose their avatars based off their emotional state or psychological state, then that could explain why a lot of ENTPs change their avatars frequently. This would mean that the higher Fe and Ne is in the functional stack the more aware the individual is of their mood and the more likely they are to change their avatar to fit it. This idea collapses when you take people who identify with the INFJ personality type into account because, based off my empirical data, they tend to stick with the same avatar for a while.

Perhaps the INFJs just pick avatars that can be interpreted many different ways?

Or rather, they choose avatars that are, for the most part, wholly representative of some ideal or some image (consciously so or not) that they wish to portray. So, rather than changing to fit their mood, what they've already picked can suffice for that change.

Or, they just don't give a shit about an avatar and what it 'represents', and rather focus on representation of psyche/feelings through other, more interactive means. I'm leaning towards that one.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

Or, they just don't give a shit about an avatar and what it 'represents', and rather focus on representation of psyche/feelings through other, more interactive means. I'm leaning towards that one.

Says the psyduck.

 

[The Introvert]

Says the psyduck.

*Confusion*

But honestly, what does Psyduck have to do with this?

Telekinetic communication aside, I picked Psyduck because Psyduck is awesome. Interaction has been limited lately aside from my own personal escapades, but nonetheless.

 

[Black Rose]

My avatar portrays what I see in myself from what they are as a person. I'm INFJ so I see it as what my identity is and of who I should be on the inside. I try to be as authentic as I am in every situation but being around different people I am more myself, less reserved. I think that certain things go together and music definitely influences me when its just right. This thread represents what it is to fabricate experience for the purpose of expression. So here is my relationship to its theme.

Anime Mix Naturally

 

[redbaron]

I found a picture of a gun-wielding cat riding a fire-breathing unicorn. Selecting an avatar wasn't even a choice.

As for persona, what you see is what you get really. I'm about as close to my real personality as someone could get through a publicly written medium. Probably the main thing people misinterpret is the context of what I write, since I'm effectively a stranger. Things that would be taken as a joke in real life are sometimes taken as slights on here.

I could probably avoid this by being more of an obnoxious, smiley-spamming simpleton, though I don't really have that desire.

 

[The Void]

I am nothing but an empty shell wearing different masks.
I wear different masks in different forums and different real life situations.
But what is the true me?
There is no true me.

 

[Words]

Artworks? I really hate how I don't understand that word. The self you create in the internet is a product of imagination and can be a huge investment of imagination, if artwork is about imagination. Roleplaying is imagination. Artwork er.. Still don't like that work. I hate how there's no strict definition or standard ground, and I'm not talking about dictionary definitions.