The inner mind (or, your recurring fantasy outside of reality)

[nexion]

I have an inner fantasy where the world is engulfed by chaos and there is no authority anywhere. I also have a fantasy where there are actually righteous people ruling the world who actually want freedom to be preserved rather than take it all away for their own benefit. What do these say and why are they so different?

Also, I am an extrovert in school but an introvert at home, but truly an introvert. Why do I act extroverted at school?

 

[JoeJoe]

Putting three topics in one thread: Not that good of an idea.

 

[nexion]

Meh.

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

I have an inner fantasy where the world is engulfed by chaos and there is no authority anywhere. I also have a fantasy where there are actually righteous people ruling the world who actually want freedom to be preserved rather than take it all away for their own benefit. What do these say and why are they so different?

Also, I am an extrovert in school but an introvert at home, but truly an introvert. Why do I act extroverted at school?

Yeah, what JoeJoe said. *stabs JoeJoe 14 squared times*

But I'll answer the I/E question briefly before answering the main questions that fit the thread title.

So why do you act differently at school than you do at home? Don't know for sure other than to say you clearly need to be lobotomized
(that's what you get for putting two diverse topics in the same thread)

There's nothing at all odd about having varied themes in your inner fatasies. Mine are too numerous and usually correspond to my mood. I have a similar one to your second except that I am the righteous leader. It's my way of calming myself down when I see the ineptitude of the world leaders today.

Sometimes I like the idea of lawlessness too. Sort of a modern tech wild west thing. It's where I get to be the renegade taking out anyone who ticks me off. That's helpful when I feel like I've been wronged.

The sex ones (yes, plural) I won't talk about.

There's also one that is more of an intellectual fantasy where I start the world over and try to fix the errors humanity has made along the way. That one is fun.

Oh, you asked what your two says about you....Well they say you are normal. I hope you can live with that

 

[Cognisant]

Recently I've been taken with the idea of an interstellar ark, although less of a ship and more of a mobile city/colony that's big enough to hold a easily sustainable human population, then obviously leaving this system for another.

I can imagine earth becoming very empty, very quickly, if this idea became popular.

 

[nexion]

Yeah, what JoeJoe said. *stabs JoeJoe 14 squared times*

But I'll answer the I/E question briefly before answering the main questions that fit the thread title.

So why do you act differently at school than you do at home? Don't know for sure other than to say you clearly need to be lobotomized
(that's what you get for putting two diverse topics in the same thread)

There's nothing at all odd about having varied themes in your inner fatasies. Mine are too numerous and usually correspond to my mood. I have a similar one to your second except that I am the righteous leader. It's my way of calming myself down when I see the ineptitude of the world leaders today.

Sometimes I like the idea of lawlessness too. Sort of a modern tech wild west thing. It's where I get to be the renegade taking out anyone who ticks me off. That's helpful when I feel like I've been wronged.

The sex ones (yes, plural) I won't talk about.

There's also one that is more of an intellectual fantasy where I start the world over and try to fix the errors humanity has made along the way. That one is fun.

Oh, you asked what your two says about you....Well they say you are normal. I hope you can live with that

I thought extreme randomity to others was a commonplace thing among INTPs? Of course, it's not random to me at all. I have a highly complex thought process in which one thing lead to several other that eventually lead to the other thing I mention that comes off as random.

Your attraction to a lawless state is very different from mine. Though, both my lawless fantasy and "perfect government" (what a contradiction) fantasy both have the same basic function: it is a world without tyranny.

Although I fancy myself to be a righteous ruler who would do things for the good of the governed, I just don't think I'd want to rule any group of people. That's why I'm not the ruler in my fantasy. But it sounds fun.

Recently I've been taken with the idea of an interstellar ark, although less of a ship and more of a mobile city/colony that's big enough to hold a easily sustainable human population, then obviously leaving this system for another.

I can imagine earth becoming very empty, very quickly, if this idea became popular.

I actually have thought of something like that too. A complete biosphere contained within a ship almost as big as the earth itself. It is fully self sustainable as long as there is a sun.

Maybe it's not very practical but something not dissimilar to it has to be used if humans ever expect to get anywhere in space. But first we have to find out how to manipulate quantum entanglement so we can transmit information faster than the speed of light. But that would be totally kickass.

Oh, and if the earth is almost empty, I'd find my home there. And have a farm.

 

[Dormouse]

Like the others here, I have a variety of fantasies, most of which manifest through unwritten stories, of little notes I jot down. Or drawingsy things.

Immortality is my current topic of interest. That and survivor guilt. The two go so well together...

That said, my inner world is not a very orderly place. It has it's nice moments, but generally I'm imagining stuff along the lines of dead hobos invading my home. So yeah.

 

[Anthile]

I have an inner fantasy where the world is engulfed by chaos and there is no authority anywhere. I also have a fantasy where there are actually righteous people ruling the world who actually want freedom to be preserved rather than take it all away for their own benefit. What do these say and why are they so different?

Escape fantasies?

Also, I am an extrovert in school but an introvert at home, but truly an introvert. Why do I act extroverted at school?

Humans are ambivalent beings. Just because you're right-handed doesn't mean you can't use your left hand whenever it is approrpiate, no? There is no such thing as a 'Extroversion Police'* that goes around and arrests people at any occasion when they act more extroverted than they 'should'. Same with being a T; it doesn't completely cancel out any emotions or empathy. It simply means that these are just a less prevalent part of your self. It doesn't make you an insensitive jerk by default, it doesn't suggest you should be one, nor is it any kind of justification for acting like one.
Actually, I don't get any of this crude type fatalism I see often here and in other forums, followed by the typical (pun intended) breakdown. "Today I spoke to someone, truly, I can't be a <type>" followed by a wall-of-text concerning magnificiently uninteresting teenage drama.



*I totally made that up. They exist. And they're coming to get you, Barbara.

 

[nexion]

Escape fantasies?




Humans are ambivalent beings. Just because you're right-handed doesn't mean you can't use your left hand whenever it is approrpiate, no? There is no such thing as a 'Extroversion Police'* that goes around and arrests people at any occasion when they act more extroverted than they 'should'. Same with being a T; it doesn't completely cancel out any emotions or empathy. It simply means that these are just a less prevalent part of your self. It doesn't make you an insensitive jerk by default, it doesn't suggest you should be one, nor is it any kind of justification for acting like one.
Actually, I don't get any of this crude type fatalism I see often here and in other forums, followed by the typical (pun intended) breakdown. "Today I spoke to someone, truly, I can't be a <type>" followed by a wall-of-text concerning magnificiently uninteresting teenage drama.



*I totally made that up. They exist. And they're coming to get you, Barbara.

I feel as though you may be taking a simple question and making it more than it actually is. I asked because I'm very extroverted at school and very introverted at home; and it isn't just sometimes, it's practically every day. Every single one of my close friends (1 lol) has made it aware to me (as I didn't already know) that I am completely different at home than I am in school. I do second guess myself quite often, but I know I truly am not an introvert, and I know I'm an INTP (even though I sometimes get INTJ). I have taken the test on many websites, and they all turn out INTP (except when I get INTJ). But my question was, why is so strong a dichotomy between school and home. My initial thoughts were maybe I'm forced, through some sort of device or anxiety, to revert to my extroverted side, but I can't imagine what would make do that.

 

[shoeless]

various silly theories about Time right now. ("time is like a piece of floss, guys! think about it!")
including fun ones, like there's a guy named ezra janko who actually controls (or, rather, manages) time with his giant "harp" in the sky. that's the basis for the screenplay i never wrote, actually.

time is trippy, maaaan.

 

[Enne]

The sex ones (yes, plural) I won't talk about.

Their existence, as well as their privacy, goes without saying. . . .

Hm. . .

A couple of 'movies' that would meld documentary style film edits with comedy / parody and fantasy.

"Fixed" music videos / movies. << Actually why I can't study w/ music. Much of my internal encoding with school was visual . . . "films" of auditory information, transcribed. So yeah. . . music. . .

Me, conversing and problem solving through the "eyes" of dead greats and a recurring cast of characters of my own invention. Used to drive me nuts (did it reflexively), but now I guess it has its uses (lately, CFs )

Other random stuff . . .

Broken "pieces" of theories that I get way to excited about, only to find out that I'm at least 50 years too late.

"Plans" for inventions, be they comics or screenplays or electromechanical devices, and the occasional "potentials for bizarre use of an everyday item."

Thinking of things to say, or that I should have said, but I guess that pertains to the earlier one about myself in fluid roles.

Trying to figure out a way to escape Earth / humanity / social nonsense. Occasionally attempting to find an excuse / use for relativity physics in mechanical engineering.

 

[nexion]

I just realized that I have never really done anything I said I was going to do.

 

[JoeJoe]

I just realized that I have never really done anything I said I was going to do.

When you want to do something:

Rule Nr. 1: Start it within 3 days.

Rule Nr. 2: Write down, by when you will have finished it.

 

[Cognisant]

Immortality is my current topic of interest. That and survivor guilt. The two go so well together...

What are your plans?

time is like a piece of floss, guys! think about it!

Huh, and here I was imagining a non-linear fifth dimensional construct.

Okay here's the deal, you explain your thing and I'll explain mine.
...that sounds so wrong >.<

 

[Crazythinker1]

In a nutshell, most of my fantasies include the total collapse of human civillization and what happens afterward. They also tend to include immortals who have jedi-like powers and generally try to help the remaining humans rebuild society.

And just out of curiosity, Does anyone else on here tend to keep these little inner worlds private? I know I do, but I'm a little odd.

 

[shadowdrums4]

On the extroversion at school introversion at home. It's because you are around more people. Maybe the chameleon effect partially has something to do with it. It's a foreign place (in a way) so you act differently to figure out the new environment. While at home you can be your introverted self. Remember that the top two functions are one extroverted and one introverted and which one is dominant decides your I/E (may need correcting but that's my understanding) but your top two are still Ti and Ne and you still get stimulate from Ne which is what you are using at school to interact with people. That's just a hypothesis though.

On the fantasies. Yeah I've got my own inner world. I'm 4 years old wondering this island I invented where I was a kid and into elements. There's a forest section, a volcano/desert section, a mountain section that has caves in it, and a river/waterfall section. There's a coyote named Brazen who lives there and different doors where various imaginary friends I've had throughout my life live. There is a room where there is a drumset, a blue marimba, a radio, and a naptime blanket. There is a speaker everywhere I go so whatever song is playing in my head is there. I also have this one room where I fight zombies/aliens/anything else I feel like fighting. Every different section is connected by black holes. All the while there is a thought process going on about whatever is going on in real life but when I visit my world, that thought process is distant. I'm probably just crazy.

Yes I also tend to keep this world very very private. Although I enjoy drawing maps of it and it makes great bedtimes stories for kids.

 

[Minuend]

I have a world (well, four planets in different dimensions which you can travel between using certain "gates") I've constructed since I was young, constantly adding various elements to expand it's structure. There are certain rules as to how the worlds work, but few are set in stone and they may change suddenly if I think of something better. Much like my viewpoints in general, actually.

I never tell people about that. Wouldn't they think me weird for it? I can write it here, though, I'm in good company =>

I have other creations as well, but none that has stuck with me for that long, I think.

 

[nexion]

On the extroversion at school introversion at home. It's because you are around more people. Maybe the chameleon effect partially has something to do with it. It's a foreign place (in a way) so you act differently to figure out the new environment. While at home you can be your introverted self. Remember that the top two functions are one extroverted and one introverted and which one is dominant decides your I/E (may need correcting but that's my understanding) but your top two are still Ti and Ne and you still get stimulate from Ne which is what you are using at school to interact with people. That's just a hypothesis though.

On the fantasies. Yeah I've got my own inner world. I'm 4 years old wondering this island I invented where I was a kid and into elements. There's a forest section, a volcano/desert section, a mountain section that has caves in it, and a river/waterfall section. There's a coyote named Brazen who lives there and different doors where various imaginary friends I've had throughout my life live. There is a room where there is a drumset, a blue marimba, a radio, and a naptime blanket. There is a speaker everywhere I go so whatever song is playing in my head is there. I also have this one room where I fight zombies/aliens/anything else I feel like fighting. Every different section is connected by black holes. All the while there is a thought process going on about whatever is going on in real life but when I visit my world, that thought process is distant. I'm probably just crazy.

Yes I also tend to keep this world very very private. Although I enjoy drawing maps of it and it makes great bedtimes stories for kids.

Ok so pretty much everyone here has some sort of fantasy. That's good. I guess. But why do many of them deal with immortality? I find death to be a fascinating thing, and find life not worth living if it was to be lived forever. If I didn't believe in eternal life after death, I would be intrigued and even wanting of eternal nothingness after life. Sounds nice...

After I live my life, of course.

I really don't like to detach myself from reality too much. I just fantasize about ways to make reality better which people who have ideas don't really want to (I don't want to become president, if they even have much power to begin this compared to the other two branches), the people who don't have ideas simply "are," and the people who are against making the world a better place are the ones benefiting from its flaws. And they're the leaders, the ones in power.

Also, what is all this about the ti, ne, fe, and se? I search them up, even together, but all I come up with are elements. There's not even a relevant wikipedia page that I could find.

 

[Dormouse]

What are your plans?

Well, I'm not so sure I would go so far as calling them plans.

Basically it revolves around immortality, the immortality of one or two people as opposed to society as a whole. (I don't want to get into the problems that would arise if everyone could live forever... Ugh. We'd have to start uploading brains onto a motherboard and taking turns in a few surrogates.)

So one person retains life throughout the progression of humanity. First off is the question of how immortality is gained. Here my thoughts meet a first cross-road, some travelling down a path mysticism and mythology (Think: Osiris, fountain of youth, even touching on life-after-death and reincarnation) and others staying basically scientific. I guess that pretty much restrains possibilities to some form of transhumanism un- OH FUCK ETERNAL JELLYFISH NVM.

Yeah. Then you have to think about how lasting the immortality would be... If you get chopped into to pieces do you remain alive? Do you regenerate or do you have to find each part and put yourself back together? Or do you just die. Are we dealing with that lame pseudo-immortality that only grants eternal youth and health, allowing you to get killed by a gunshot? Hell no. Maybe you can be killed by something extreme, but you need at least a crazy high healing factor. Or some form of invulnerability.

Now, the question becomes what's more important to preserve? Body or mind? Mind, okay. So we need something that takes into account your brain and stops it from aging. Also some method to retain more memories, or like a really huge scrapbook. But generating synapses all over will possibly render you insane/ more ADHD than you already are... I don't actually know what the effects would be.

Now mind is great but I still dont want to be stuck in a rotting corpse. So either I need really great preservation or a series of surrogates or some kind of body-snatching skill or an artificial vessel. Now if I keep thinking artificial body# surrogates I get into the design field. Would I want to look the same or swap styles occasionally? Human, humanoid or something crazy out there? (I'd like to be a whale...)

Okay, then there's the whole dealing with everyone else dying and stuff. This is where survivor guilt comes in, especially if something happens and you end up the last person alive. Or whatever. Or, on the supernatural side of things, I'm pretty sure the most badass way to get immortality would be to kill like a city-full of innocents and absord their life force. Though I guess that would make you a sadistic bastard so you wouldn't care anyways...

And would somebody more likely become bitter and jaded or start enjoying life to the fullest? Would they flaunt their immortality or hide it? If hide, how would they cope with the endless changes in location they'd have to undergo. Or names. It's likely some identity shedding would be going on, unless you have a name that's really timeless. (I say get rid of letters all together. Call me 56.)

Then there's the whole what would you do with your time? My favourite answer is take over the world, establish an iron dictatorship, leave the establishment, rally the people to defeat it, repeat. Eternal challenge. Though one would have to be a bit of a psychopath.

So yeah.

 

[Kokoro]

Also, what is all this about the ti, ne, fe, and se? I search them up, even together, but all I come up with are elements. There's not even a relevant wikipedia page that I could find.

That is talking about the Cognitive Functions. The two letters are just shorthand for the full name: Ti = introverted thinking, Ne = extroverted intuition, etc... They are pretty much the foundation for all this personality talk. Therefore, you would be well off to look into them before discussing things such as introversion vs extroversion... at least, that's how I see it.

It is odd that you could not find anything. There is a lot of information out there.
Here's a couple:
http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=6582
http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com/

 

[shadowdrums4]

Also, what is all this about the ti, ne, fe, and se? I search them up, even together, but all I come up with are elements. There's not even a relevant wikipedia page that I could find.

Check the Wiki on INTP, it lists the cognitive functions. Ti (introverted thinking) is our top one. If you'd like to learn more about cognitive functions, Adymus has a great thread in the MBTI and Typology forum. (I don't know how to link you sorry, anyone care to help me out?)

 

[nexion]

Check the Wiki on INTP, it lists the cognitive functions. Ti (introverted thinking) is our top one. If you'd like to learn more about cognitive functions, Adymus has a great thread in the MBTI and Typology forum. (I don't know how to link you sorry, anyone care to help me out?)

The poster above you has already linked it, and I read most of it, and it was very informative. Thanks.

 

[shadowdrums4]

haha I think we must have posted around the same time or something because I didn't even see that. Thanks Kokoro.

Glad it was informative for you.

Edit: Looking at the post time we didn't post around the same time. Either I left the thread up and then posted or I didn't see it for some reason

 

[Chronomar]

In terms of inner worlds...I would hope everyone has some, because otherwise life would be rather boring.

It might be a good idea to set up a charity service for those poor minds stuck in the present (as opposed to the future and past) and those unfortunates who are limited to these few dimensions...

It could be INTPforum's charity project! Oh...wait. Project. We've failed already.

 

[nexion]

In terms of inner worlds...I would hope everyone has some, because otherwise life would be rather boring.

It might be a good idea to set up a charity service for those poor minds stuck in the present (as opposed to the future and past) and those unfortunates who are limited to these few dimensions...

It could be INTPforum's charity project! Oh...wait. Project. We've failed already.

Meh. Knowing what's happening in the present is pretty important too. I think that no one should be exclusively limited to being in the present or future, but that there should be an ideal balance of both, and by ideal, I mean, about 65% future, 35% present. Yes, I think that should work quite well.

 

[Irishpenguin]

I think your two seemingly opposite imaginary worlds probably has something to do with your Ne seeing different points of view, and then you of course expanding on them. The fact that they have the similarity of not having a tyrant could possibly just be your principles and values coming into play, seeing how you mentioned not wanting to rule any group, or that if one was going to rule anyway, then they had better do a damn good job and not dick it up like a dicky dictator would. (or any other type of tyrant for that matter, but the pun wouldn't word for any of them, so I went with the dicky-est one )

But then again this could be me just trying to find hidden meanings that aren't there, which I think is a very INTPish thing to do, but nonetheless. Sometimes it really is just an obvious meaning like Anthile said with "Escape fantasies." And don't get me wrong, making very interesting fantasies to skip out of reality and visit is still a very awesome thing to do, it is also an activity that I participate in extremely often

And about the introvert extrovert thing. When you're at school, you have to interact with people, and so you probably use a good deal of Fe, which is your most draining cognitive function, but if you're good at managing your energy, then you can keep it up for a pretty good while. And I would say that when you get home, you pretty much get to turn off your Fe and just sit down and relax with your Ti and Ne, probably jumping into your imagination and fiddling around a bit, and maybe turning on some music. At least I know that's how it works for me, hope that helps. (And I hope all the cognitive functions didn't throw you too much )

Oh and when you did you percentages, you left out the "Past", and I think one's mind should be in the past at least a little, so let's say oh about 60% future, 35% past, and 3% present?...as for that extra 2%...well that's open for debate

Also, all of these imaginary worlds that people have posted are freaking amazing, I of course have my own, but I'm kinda tired right now

Spoiler

@ Dormouse
Have you thought about going the re-spawn route for being immortal? I have this one dude in my imagination who's body got burnt to a crisp, but then he faded away and re-spawned somewhere in the Sahara Dessert (Like he always does). And he's usually a little pissed, like

"Oh what the Fuck! I died again!? Goddamnit! I need to stop doing that...and I still haven't figured out why this happens to me in the first place! Ugh...how am I even supposed to get out of here?"


Then guess who comes strolling up...

Spoiler

 

[JoeJoe]

Past, present, future.

I think we are always in the past and we can't really stop it. We already know, that what will happen in the future is only a repetition of what happened in the past. And in the present we already act, as if we are moving into the past, only it's actually our future and we could act whichever way we want to.

 

[nexion]

Past, present, future.

I think we are always in the past and we can't really stop it. We already know, that what will happen in the future is only a repetition of what happened in the past. And in the present we already act, as if we are moving into the past, only it's actually our future and we could act whichever way we want to.

In the deterministic point of view, everything is a result of past actions. However, according to chaos theory, even though everything is deterministic, it is still impossible to predict with any accuracy what will happen in the future. That makes the most sense.

 

[nexion]

My new inner fantasy involves complete detachment from the world, and/or death of all its population, and/or an endless void that would complete me.

Goddamn it.

 

[MidnightGino]

My new inner fantasy involves complete detachment from the world, and/or death of all its population, and/or an endless void that would complete me.

Goddamn it.

It's good to know I'm not the only one with the everyone-disappears fantasy, like some day I wake up, and everything is silent, then I go out and no one is there, and then I pretty much do whatever I want to do (there's no one out there, so why shouldn't I?), so I just walk around, get anything I want (it's not stealing, who would I be stealing to?), just do what I want :P