The Fallen Adymus

[InvisibleJim]

@EyeSeeCold

Directive (Directive Nai (//) & Zyy (#) over Adaptive Xai (@) & Vyy (**))

So that'll be asking over declaring in Renin I think.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

@EyeSeeCold

Directive (Directive Nai (//) & Zyy (#) over Adaptive Xai (@) & Vyy (**))

So that'll be asking over declaring in Renin I think.

I think I see what you're getting at, but only for this instance.

Directive / Adaptive corresponds to Dynamic / Static. There's a better thread showing it but this one will suffice: Cognitive Functions 101

Adaptive and Directive functions:

An MBTI Judging type is a personality type that has directive functions(Je/Pi) as their dominant and auxiliary functions. An MBTI Perceiving type is a personality type that has Adaptive functions(Pe/Ji) as their dominant and auxiliary functions.

As Fukyo stated

Adaptive
Vyy - Se
Xai - Fi

Directive
Zyy - Te
Nai - Ni

 

[Matt3737]

I don't buy into the 'cult' status for a few reasons. I do agree that they appear cult-like, but for reasons to do with attracting/luring marks to defraud.

The first thing to note is that defining what constitutes a cult and what differentiates it from an unusual yet benign religious following is difficult. It is a loaded term with highly negative connotations.

Remember, cults are typically socially secluded and look to initiate the socially vulnerable. They are not highly visible until after some sort of tragic event occurs to bring them to our attention. Their purpose tends to be bound up in the psychology of the charismatic leader who typically indulges their sense of power and control rather than monetary interests, although that can be an aspect of having such power and control.

It is an apparent lack of purpose for the group that I hesitate to call it an actual cult, although I might ridicule it for being cult-like. I can't imagine a cult in the most definitive form being run anonymously online.

Basically, I do not believe Pod'Lair members to be out and about in their local neighborhoods proselytizing converts or looking for vunerable members of society that may be willing to cut all ties with their previous friends and family to join, i.e. it seems neither religious or cultish.

Legitimate belief systems have broad social obligations that are easy to identify by their myths, rituals, and symbols. They tend to mark rites of passages such as birth, pubescence (adulthood), marriage, and death as well as being associated with healthcare, education, and welfare.

It has no deeper meaning other than unsubstantiated claims otherwise in order to give a false impression of value. Con-artistry and mockery is all I see.

 

[nanook]

directive=declaring=pointing out instructions=uses introverted perception
(being speculative, creative, dreaming up possible images and enjoys to share/teach them through aux Te, but really dislikes discussing them, unless he is Je dom, but then discussion is still mostly limited to the Te part). independent visionary (Pi) adaptive in implementation (Je) .. could be called tactical perhaps.

adapting=asking=curious=uses extroverted perception
(demanding sources like your charmingly entitled INTj. often keeps his Ti to himself (in RL conversation), argues about data (Pe) rendering discussions about things beyond data dysfunctional. rejects chunks of thinking when he doesn't like the implied data. if entp simply makes other people think for him, takes in whole chunks of Ti as if they were data). methodological (Ti) strategist (Pe).

podlair is doomed to failure for adopting the biggest mistake of mbti without noticing it .... took the biggest gulp from the cup of toxic memes, intuits the problem, but projects it outward ..

 

[snafupants]

The only thing I can think of is scanning people's brains and try and identify similarities and or differences within personality types and between personality types. Have your sample size large enough to reduce the noise of outliers. To be pedantic, this research still would not be considered "empirical" research as you are not setting up a controlled experiment to inquire into underlying foundations. You have no hypothesis you're trying to invalidate.

I'm not willing to get into it but Big 5 dimensions have been linked to heritable factors.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Does anyone spot the carbon copy of the Reinin Dichotomies link on this page here?

If there was one thing I could give Pod'Lair praise for it would be the insight to patch MBTI where the Rational—Irrational dichotomy was dropped. In their system it's Lead Discerner / Perception Lead.

Perception Lead (Source Power focuses on taking in information) or Discernment Lead (Source Power focuses on making decisions)

 

[Lyra]

Adymus' response to NFGeeks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deAV...UeB2rWw&lch=email&feature=em-comment_received

 

[snafupants]

Adymus' response to NFGeeks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deAV...UeB2rWw&lch=email&feature=em-comment_received

If that unregulated pomposity is what enlightenment looks like to you, I'll stick with what I have.

 

[Lyra]

If that unregulated pomposity is what enlightenment looks like to you, I'll stick with what I have.

I don't care what enlightenment looks like. I care whether a perspective is accurate. That's the difference between us.

 

[Lyra]

Zai'nyy Terence McKenna teaching you how to be less stupid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OX77Qv66qw

 

[Matt3737]

I don't care what enlightenment looks like. I care whether a perspective is accurate. That's the difference between us.

Since when has apathy and accuracy ever gone hand in hand?

"I don't care what 2+2 equals! I care about accuracy!"

Suuuuuure you do.

 

[BigApplePi]

Adymus' response to NFGeeks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deAV...UeB2rWw&lch=email&feature=em-comment_received

Question: Adymus indicated Pod'Lair something about "saving the world." In what way will Pod'Lair do this? This is a serious Q.

Please note I'm talking to this thread. While I'm sure my many questions can be answered via the videos, my life situation is such that I cannot currently watch hours and hours of them. Sadly I had to stop Adymus's video thirteen minutes in as I already got what he was saying. I may continue later.

 

[SkyWalker]

I type Adymus as "Eric Cartman", in my South Park personality system

 

[BigApplePi]

Re: The Steady Adymus

There is a difference between pointing out what is relative and actually taking on one of those relative positions. Furthermore stupidity is relative. Merely being an INTP ~ ZaiNyy doesn't exclude one from this category as I can well testify.

Note there may be a natural antagonism between a P saying this about a J's message and the J. The J has an agenda while the P just wants to bracket it. The bracket may cramp the J message, but the P wants to further the unspoken.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Trying to analyse my psychology is going to be pretty lol. Ask anyone who's come at all close to knowing me.

Your non-conformist levels are so high it seems you are willing to give up your identity just to have one—albeit, a collective one. Overall, identity, in all senses of the word, seems an important issue to you, whether you're aware of it or not.

There is also a submission to fantastic superiority, a sort of rejection of lucid reality and a need to subjugate it. A defense mechanism likely developed from your past environments.

The willful honesty about otherwise alarming subjects suggest states of disassociation, and a conflicting desire, however weak, to repent and drop the equivocal ego and connect with other humans on an openly sincere level.


tl;dr enneatype 4 so, sx.

I've watched too much Law & Order: Criminal Intent ...

 

[Puffy]

Adymus' response to NFGeeks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deAV...UeB2rWw&lch=email&feature=em-comment_received

I think whatever the believed implications of pod'lair are, you're essentially challenging people's self-identity's: counter to whatever they think they are, they are x mojo/box/type. Even if phrased sensitively, if done without consent, in the way it appears it was with NFgeeks, it seems easy to receive that as an unsettling intrusion of privacy. I closed the video as soon as he called their bafflement 'stupid shit.'

If pod'lair are going to speak to other people as if they know them better than they know themselves, respect seems foundational.

 

[Lyra]

Your non-conformist levels are so high it seems you are willing to give up your identity just to have one—albeit, a collective one. Overall, identity, in all senses of the word, seems an important issue to you, whether you're aware of it or not.

There is also a submissiveness to fantastic superiority, a sort of rejection of lucid reality and a need to subjugate it. A defense mechanism likely developed from your past environments.

The willful honesty about otherwise alarming subjects suggest states of disassociation, and a conflicting desire, however weak, to repent and drop the equivocal ego and connect with other humans on an openly sincere level.


tl;dr enneatype 4 so, sx.

I've watched too much Law & Order: Criminal Intent ...

Not quite. You're connecting the dots you can see and inferring causalities which might plausibly explain them, but the dots you're seeing are ones put there by other exigencies whose nature eludes you. You're getting shadows of what a Nai'alpha set on some unseen but known goal generally looks like, but that's about the sum of what you got right.

I hate to say it, but... if you want to analyse what's going on with me you're going to have to... canvas. And explore some paths that can only be known through the walking, not through the projection and assignation of signifiers and connections which seem plausible in terms of the current experiential content you have on this case. Which are... the would-be ordered impressions your interaction with what you think is speaking to has left on you.

I doubt you'll do that and I don't have any desire for you to. But that would be the way to getting a window into this particular manifestation of life, in so far as is possible for you personally. Even then... you're missing the basic concerns/character underlying my various expressions in a more obvious and immediate sense-- this might be because you're just not very good at knowing people, or it might be just because it in particular is inherently something obscure and unknown to you personally.

All in all your stupidity is excessively arrogant and presumptuous in what it assumes life itself or a person themselves to be. It is speaking without an experiential or empirical foundation that sufficiently supports the theory-of-mind you're running. Personal Analyses do leave a weight, especially upon the sensitive, so I'd rather you and your stupidity stayed off my particular case. When I read someone (I don't causally/'psychologically' analyse or theorise them like you just attempted) I only do so after a far greater degree of canvasing and with the aim of helping them to fulfill and honour their particular unique/beautiful way of being. I know it leaves a weight so I'm careful with it and precisely how far I take it in terms of 'explaining' a person-- you're not. Certain patterns in/of that being can be read and very precise things of a certain kind follow from that, but that's a very different thing from a deconstruction/analsysis of desire/psychology in the causal sense you just attempted.

tl;dr shut the fuck up

 

[crippli]

Where are the alpha females in the lair? Or is there just alpha males?

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Not quite. You're connecting the dots you can see and inferring causalities which might plausibly explain them, but the dots you're seeing are ones put there by other exigencies whose nature eludes you. You're getting shadows of what a Nai'alpha set on some unseen but known goal generally looks like, but that's about the sum of what you got right.

I hate to say it, but... if you want to analyse what's going on with me you're going to have to... canvas. And explore some paths that can only be known through the walking, not through the projection and assignation of signifiers and connections which seem plausible in terms of the current experiential content you have on this case. Which are... the would-be ordered impressions your interaction with what you think is speaking to has left on you.

I doubt you'll do that and I don't have any desire for you to. But that would be the way to getting a window into this particular manifestation of life, in so far as is possible for you personally. Even then... you're missing the basic concerns/character underlying my various expressions in a more obvious and immediate sense-- this might be because you're just not very good at knowing people, or it might be just because it in particular is inherently something obscure and unknown to you personally.

All in all your stupidity is excessively arrogant and presumptuous in what it assumes life itself or a person themselves to be. It is speaking without an experiential or empirical foundation that sufficiently supports the theory-of-mind you're running. Personal Analyses do leave a weight, especially upon the sensitive, so I'd rather you and your stupidity stayed off my particular case. When I read someone (I don't causally/'psychologically' analyse or theorise them like you just attempted) I only do so after a far greater degree of canvasing and with the aim of helping them to fulfill their particular way of being. I know it leaves a weight so I'm careful with it and precisely how far I take it in terms of 'explaining' a person-- you're not. Certain patterns in/of that being can be read and very precise things of a certain kind follow from that, but that's a very different thing from a deconstruction/analsysis of desire/psychology in the causal sense you just attempted.

tl;dr shut the fuck up

Well I understand I have a limited understanding of you, at least limited to the observable expressions. I'm sure you are more complex and perplexing in person, and in mind.

Yes I'm not really intent on experiencing past the mask of Lyra, I was only being casual. I didn't think you to be sensitive of such an analysis, and I don't usually give them, though I do consider what you say to be good advice; it's not something to just be thrown around.

Whether contrived or not, it was interesting to me, as your expressions speak to me in an archetypal manner(concerns of identity, unique-ness etc). Though I'm pretty sure we're on different frequencies.

No hard feelings.


By the way, since I have your attention, would you mind elaborating on this?:

'By the way, Lyra is a dude'.

The person assuming the name now, yes. It's also been used by a couple of (female) partners of mine (1 or 2 known to some members of this forum) and in less strictly delineable ways (not necc. on this forum), and to commune with various artistic muses and such-like entities or psychological collocations.

 

[Lyra]

No hard feelings.

Alright ditto. I'll leave up my last post as is, but I appreciate what you just posted. I'll pm you about your question, as this thread is about Pod'Lair and not me personally.

 

[snafupants]

Alright ditto. I'll leave up my last post as is, but I appreciate what you just posted. I'll pm you about your question, as this thread is about Pod'Lair and not me personally.

There's not really any difference - the groupthink has intoxicated the whole company.

 

[Lyra]

There's not really any difference - the groupthink has intoxicated the whole company.

Fuck you. You have no idea what or who you are talking about.

 

[snafupants]

Fuck you. You have no idea what or who you are talking about.

I seem to have touched a nerve.

Nonetheless, I also notice rote responses and similar verbiage (e.g., canvass) among most practitioners of Pod'Lair. Pod'Lair's propensity to robustly snuff out dissenters reminds me of the catholic church in the middle ages.

The Pod'Lair cult certainly shouldn't be characterized as a haven for freethinkers.

At any rate, I'm not sure what you attempted to link to above.

 

[Lyra]

I seem to have touched a nerve.

Nonetheless, I also notice rote responses to anything perceived as captious and very similar verbiage (e.g., canvass) among most practitioners of Pod'Lair.

The Pod'Lair cult certainly shouldn't be characterized as a haven for freethinkers.

At any rate, I'm not sure what you attempted to link to above.

Please stop harassing me. You do not know me and you do not respect that I have made my own judgements and choices. You keep trolling me about something I clearly care about, refusing me the right to explain my position rationally, and now following me around the forum posting revolting/vile material in a thread about poems that were a product of months of personal trial and reflection on my part.

Anybody who has talked to me personally knows that I am a freethinker. But you have just assumed that you get what I am and are refusing me the basic dignity of being treated as an independent human being who can speak for themselves. Please leave me alone.

 

[snafupants]

You do not know me and you do not respect that I have made my own judgements and choices.

@Lyra

First off, I'm not your father, so cool it with the adolescent justification.

Have you made your own judgement and choices? I really can't see any evidence of that.

Maybe I need to canvass more to find out though.

You know, Lyra, you seem tougher when your cronies are backing you up.

 

[Lyra]

@Lyra

First off, I'm not your father, so cool it with the adolescent justification.

Have you made your own judgement and choices? I really can't see any evidence of that.

Maybe I need to canvass more to find out though.

You know, Lyra, you seem tougher when your cronies are backing you up.

I'll 'cool it' if you leave me alone. You're both following/insulting everything I post on this site (multiple threads) and refusing to engage with me as though I speak for myself, which is harassment. Again, please leave me alone.

Edit: in response to the sentence you just added, I don't try to seem tough. And I said earlier in this thread that I prefer being the minority voice. Again, you're engaging with a stereotype.

 

[snafupants]

I'll 'cool it' if you leave me alone. You're both following/insulting everything I post on this site (multiple threads) and refusing to engage with me as though I speak for myself, which is harassment. Again, please leave me alone.

Edit: in response to the sentence you just added, I don't try to seem tough. And I said earlier in this thread that I prefer being the minority voice. Again, you're engaging with a stereotype.

That's another word that the Pod'Lair community loves to chastise dissenters with - stereotype. I noted the use of that particular word many times in Adymus' diatribe.

 

[snafupants]

Edit: in response to the sentence you just added, I don't try to seem tough. And I said earlier in this thread that I prefer being the minority voice. Again, you're engaging with a stereotype.

Lyra, I hate to do this but here's YouTube documentation of what I'm talking about.

Did you write this on YouTube earlier today?! Do you call that a stereotype?

 

[Lyra]

Yeah that was a joke, meant for a particular friend. Please stop following me.

All I've tried to do here is give an honest account of my perspective. I have no idea why people think this kind of constant character assassination and ridicule and harassment is ok.

 

[snafupants]

Yeah that was a joke, meant for a particular friend.

Was that friend me?! Lyra, I'm flattered.

Please stop following me.

You do know that this is my thread, right?

 

[snafupants]

All I've tried to do here is give an honest account of my perspective. I have no idea why people think this kind of constant character assassination and ridicule and harassment is ok.

Poor Lyra. Yeah, I can sympathize because it's not like you engaged in the same behavior.

Also, are you kidding? Almost everything Adymus said proved unfounded "character assassination" and "ridicule." The video was insolent and inaccurate.

 

[tikru]

All I've tried to do here is give an honest account of my perspective. I have no idea why people think this kind of constant character assassination and ridicule and harassment is ok.

You play the victim role pretty well. Your pleas for mutual respect sound a little absurd given the present context.

 

[Lyra]

You do know that this is my thread, right?

But posting 'documentation' of my activities and posting extremely offensive material to a thread of my poetry... isn't. And it being your thread doesn't, IIRC this place at all correctly, make it ok to drown out every point I make in exchanges with any poster with untrue/slanderous insults.

Your pleas for mutual respect sound a little absurd given the present context.

Respect is earned and at the discretion of the individual. But people should be able to speak for themselves and go about their business.

 

[snafupants]

But posting 'documentation' of my activities and posting extremely offensive material to a thread of my poetry... isn't. And it being your thread doesn't, IIRC this place at all correctly, make it ok to drown out every point I make in exchanges with any poster with untrue/slanderous insults.

What offensive material are you talking about?!

Posting documentation? Didn't you say that on YouTube earlier today?

The name "Lyra" stood out in that linked video you posted, and it served a point.

I haven't done anything wrong in bringing comments by "Lyra Podlair" on YouTube to this forum's attention, especially since the comments can't be reconciled because of their hypocrisy.

 

[Lyra]

What offensive material are you talking about?!

I don't know if you deleted the post or if a mod did, but the one that was basically two paragraphs of scat/porn, in response to cognisant's post.

 

[Lyra]

Not to mention that you/other posters slanderously accused me of being involved in finanancial/business fraud/dishonesty a page back, with absolutely no basis. And made no apology or retraction upon being refuted, instead continuing to randomly attack posts unrelated to you and post what you did in my poetry thread. And then post 'documentation' about me.

Please leave me alone. I am just here to give an account of my reasons and to post on a forum I know and like. I have done nothing to invite this type of stalky/abusive treatment.

 

[Kuu]

Lyra. If you jump into a piranha tank... you're going to get bitten.

Snafupants. You can disagree with PodLair all you like, but you don't have to be such a dick. Stop being such a dick. This applies outside this thread too.


And as a PSA, any other threads of discussion/bashing of PodLair will be deleted, since the arguments always are the same and it just turns into a pathetic shit throwing contest which is a huge waste of my and other mods time. We have banned Pod-people before for introducing podlair into every damned discussion wether it was relevant or not, which just ends up destroying the threads, and I don't think the moderation team would have any objection to doing so again were it to get out of hand. This is, after all, INTPforum and not Podlair land. On another subject, harassment of forum members will also not be tolerated. One can question and protest the flaws in any argument without resorting to petty, pathetic, unconstructive insults. The irony of criticizing a group of arrogance while simultaneously engaging in it is not lost on me. The hypocrisy of some would appall me were I not such a misanthrope.

 

[snafupants]

And as a PSA, any other threads of discussion/bashing of PodLair will be deleted, since the arguments always are the same and it just turns into a pathetic shit throwing contest which is a huge waste of my and other mods time. We have banned Pod-people before for introducing podlair into every damned discussion wether it was relevant or not, which just ends up destroying the threads, and I don't think the moderation team would have any objection to doing so again were it to get out of hand. This is, after all, INTPforum and not Podlair land. On another subject, harassment of forum members will also not be tolerated. One can question and protest the flaws in any argument without resorting to petty, pathetic, unconstructive insults. The irony of criticizing a group of arrogance while simultaneously engaging in it is not lost on me. The hypocrisy of some would appall me were I not such a misanthrope.

All right, as they say in Pulp Fiction, be cool.

Anyway, what does Pod'Lair think of Dario Nardi's partial vindication of MBTI and the eight cognitive functions using EEG technology? I'm curious because both Dario Nardi and Pod'Lair practitioners claim that their respective theories are somehow empirical in nature.

 

[cheese]

@Architect
Sorry for the late response. I'm not in podlair, so I dunno. I'm not really an advocate for them either. I was just trying to explain elements in Lyra's post that seemed a little abstract in a way that makes sense to people who think like we do, based on looking into this for a little while.

 

[ElvenVeil]

ahh.. don't know why I didn't watch the video before... It's almost fascinating, with all the powers, mojos, forcefields, death rays, tree climbers , all being channeled as one levels up your own personality.

But seriously though, you must be an idiot, if you think a system is too unique and fluffy for science to ever get it and that's why you can't allow peer review. That or you have no idea what science is in the first place (which is not an uncommon reason)

 

[EyeSeeCold]

I know there's the hand signals, and the purple and green and fuzzy shit going on, and the lingo,

If you wanted to be taken seriously, you'd stop with the silly head-signs and the frankly painful video editing.

Novelty Enhances Visual Perception

...Novelty is known to affect several cognitive processes. For example, words presented in deviant (novel) fonts are better remembered than words presented in standard fonts [12]. Novelty can also boost motivation to explore the environment, resulting in the so-called exploration bonus [13].​

A strong grip on attention(due to excess stimuli) can also induce a trance state where information is less critically judged and more easily absorbed.

 

[Impact Calculus]

Novelty Enhances Visual Perception

...Novelty is known to affect several cognitive processes. For example, words presented in deviant (novel) fonts are better remembered than words presented in standard fonts [12]. Novelty can also boost motivation to explore the environment, resulting in the so-called exploration bonus [13].​

A strong grip on attention(due to excess stimuli) can also induce a trance state where information is less critically judged and more easily absorbed.

Extinction happens in thirty minutes
[FONT=&quot]Mintz 01 [[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Morton Mintz, write for the American Prospect] February 26, 2001, “Tow Minutes to Launch”, The American Prospect, http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=two_minutes_to_launch,
Hair-trigger alert means this: The missiles carrying those warheads are armed and fueled at all times. Two thousand or so of these warheads are on the intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) targeted by Russia at the United States; 1,800 are on the ICBMs targeted by the United States at Russia; and approximately 1,000 are on the submarine-based missiles targeted by the two nations at each other. These missiles would launch on receipt of three computer-delivered messages. Launch crews--on duty every second of every day--are under orders to send the messages on receipt of a single computer-delivered command. In no more than two minutes, if all went according to plan, Russia or the United States could launch missiles at predetermined targets: Washington or New York; Moscow or St. Petersburg. The early-warning systems on which the launch crews rely would detect the other side’s missiles within tens of seconds, causing the intended--or accidental--enemy to mount retaliatory strikes. “Within a half-hour, there could be a nuclear war that would extinguish all of us,” explains Bruce Blair. “It would be, basically, a nuclear war by checklist, by rote.” [/FONT]