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The Concept of the American Dream

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What does the American Dream mean to you?

I could be searching for my niche in a niche in life. I'm fairly certain what I want to do. I'm curious what my fellow like minded individuals think. Please discuss.
 

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What does the American Dream mean to you?

I could be searching for my niche in a niche in life. I'm fairly certain what I want to do. I'm curious what my fellow like minded individuals think. Please discuss.

personally it's almost the converse of the heralded american dream. the word kids should not be used in conjunction with the word dream; and if i did have kids it would probably be the unfortunate result of failing to pull out in time in a moment of extreme pleasure and a more extreme lapse in judgment. marriage is not real high on my list and neither is the responsibility of home ownership. that said, a likeminded girlfriend and a small house, still without kiddos, would be acceptable. the veritable american dream is rather creepy.
 

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Personally I think it is a foolish notion. It serves two purposes - to tell yourself why you are doing so good, and why others are doing so bad.
I may very well add more if a discussion is going to start but for now I will just leave a quotation that I think of, when I think of the American Dream.

"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong",
- H.L. Mencken.
 

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I'd say to me it means freedom. But I don't mean some big patriotic freedom, that is a different subject, I mean freedom to not worry about what anyone else thinks about the way I choose to live. For the most part I live this.
 

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Ahh, the american dream.

It speaks of freedom (but it is only granted in a sandbox).

It speaks of tolerance (but censorship, racism, and xenophobia are all too common)

It speaks of equal opportunity, where the lowliest of lows can rise to the top. (but...)

It speaks of democracy (but consent is manufactured and 'democracy' is exported for 'national interests')

It is a highly successful scam cleverly interwoven into the mythical history of the US to deceive the working masses into thinking that they've reached a pinnacle of social development and thus ignore the actual oligarchic and orwellian nature of their society and government.
 

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You want the American Dream?

YouTube - Somewhere That's Green [scene 8]

I think that just about sums up our whole "Better Living Through Consumption" culture right there, yep.

Oh damn. Does anyone else remember what frozen dinners tasted like when they were still packed in foil trays?
 

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The "American Dream" in it's classic definition is a huge SHAM. It entails somehow gaining upward social mobility to attain a higher socio-economic status, with the end result being financial stability.

Implicit in this we see a common archetypal lifestyle including: buying a house, (a) luxurious car(s), getting married, having kids, and rarely thinking about life in abstract or philosophical terms. (In other words, what I would consider a mundane life of hell)

This classic American Dream serves a sinister purpose (social control): to keep the non-elite classes sedated. The more time and energy we spend on achieving this American Dream, the less time and energy we have to think about the larger picture regarding the ways in which our corrupt government and economic system works (I'm sure you know what I'm talking about here--extortion, criminal "justice", monopolies, religious suppression, lobbying, etc.). This keeps most of us from asking questions, noticing unfair structures, and ultimately revolting against a broken system.

I would assume that most INTPs are able to see right through this ruse, and seek a lifestyle that is compatible with our true desires independently of what we are programmed to believe.
 

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As, perhaps, illustrated in the article above, there is a difference between the American Dream of immigrants and the Dreams of Americans born in this country. Those Americans born in this country simply lack the perspective to appreciate the possibility to Dream of improving one's quality of life. They believe that their freedom is a given, when it is not and never can be...

There has been much written on the concept of American Exceptionalism in these past few years... It may be worth looking into as an idea....(?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism
 

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I don't know that there is an American Dream spelled out anywhere, but if you go back to beginnings, there is at least an element of "advancement due to achievement rather than birth." There was, at least until recently, an element of "damn the aristocracy" in the American chemistry. Maybe summed up best by Sgt. Kilrain in Michael Shaara's "Killer Angels." He's a sergeant in a Maine regiment, but he is from Ireland. He's having a discussion with the colonel about how anyone could own slaves. It's no surprise to Kilrain, who doesn't share the colonel's high opinion of humanity in general. He seems very much to have gone to war against the southerners who set themselves up as an aristocracy, rather than to preserve the Union. Two quotes: "I'll be treated as I deserve, not as my father deserved," and "I'm Kilrain, and I damn all gentlemen." That, to me, is two points at least of the traditional American dream. How we got from that to hero-worshipping Donald Trump (inherited wealth) and treating the British royals like our adopted aristocracy is beyond me, but nevermind: The principle of being worth whatever you're qualified for, as opposed to having your worth decided by accident of birth, has to resonate with INTPs. Eh? (Practicing my Canadian.)
 

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Eeesh Editor, trying to rack up your post count or something? You're plenty distinguished enough already. You don't have to up your numbers with false double...excuse me, triple posts.
Or maybe technology is betraying you in your old age...? ;)




To me, the American Dream is some crack-brained, conflicted ideal that no one can really pin down...it used to be some drivel about a white picket fence, and now it's probably something along the lines of being spoonfed Doritos while lying on the couch and making a fortune every year. Though no one would admit to wanting that.

Though, I suppose in a less cynical dissection, the dream is the chance for life to be defined by the individual...

Which makes me think, most people in America probably just want to be happy. Or content, if you don't believe happiness is attainable. Devoid of misery. Living easy. Not lazy so much; on the contrary, I think most 'mericans would rather have a purpose they find worthwhile. I thought that would be a universal goal, but...yeah, what about other countries, where the goal is to uphold family honor, or something like that?

Which brings me back to the picket fence crap...in a materialistic sense, yeah, money and possessions and whatnot are advertised as happy-bringers...but to some people, happiness comes in the form of finding love (don't roll your eyes at me, it doesn't have to be the romantic kind; you know you all need love), or just being financially secure, or whatever makes you happy.
 

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I believe it can be agreed that the American Dream is a thing of the Past...

There was a time when the Freedom from Oppression was a quality of American life. Yet now our American Institutions that function solely to maintain the status quo for the ruling class seemingly are firmly entrenched and immune to reform. The educational institution/industry for example has yet to change to take advantage of educational technology or new knowledge about how children's brains work...

There was a time when the American Dream involved ownership of a Home, but that too has faded to the state where people are simply trying to buy the house they are currently living in.

I am blessed in that my family's Home, 400 acres of rocky hills and depleted soils, is one of the very few Homes in America, that has not changed hands in the past century and that we hold title to this property and not a bank, a very rare condition in these times...

It was once said that land is the basis of all wealth - yet few Americans even own the land that they stand on...
 

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plastic fantastic and out-of-proportion-everything ... that's what it looks like from a distance (oversees), very materialistic
But I suppose originally it has to do with hard work and having enough, a sort of role model kind of thing. Maybe because a lot of immigrants started of quite poor.
 

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The American Dream was created in a time before people (at least some intelligent, thoughtful, non ignorant-blob-consumer-robot people) realized that infinite growth theory does not play out so nicely within a finite resource reality.

Unless I am completely off base, the American Dream first became a generally agreed upon idea when the people in power played on peoples' dreams of having a meaningful, fulfilling life while improving ones station, or at least that of their children, telling them they could achieve all of their wishes by being independently sustaining, home owning, honest laboring, and family making citizens, all in order to subtly fulfill the oddly megalomaniacal theory of Manifest Destiny.

Manifest Destiny was originally the theory that it was America's destiny to spread across the entire continent, and when we got as far as we could with that, it sort of shifted into spreading American ideals, namely capitalism and freedom (aka American Democracy), across the globe.

This in turn shifted to what we know America's role to be today, which is the elite world police force, hiding in the shadows of the United Nations and NATO, (which we always seem to spearhead, weird right?).

Based on several admittedly outspoken independent films and even a few legitimate documentaries, I have come to believe this apparent need to always be stretching our authority, interfering and to have a LOOOOONGGGGGG military arm always fishing around in the global cookie jar has simply become 1. An excuse to maintain a disgustingly large military-industrial complex which produces a huge number of machines whose sole purpose is to piss metal and fire on the unfortunate souls who attempt to resist our whims, so to keep our GDP and all those other meaningless numbers and ratios and whatnot on the up and up (and pad the pockets of the defense firms who contribute immense sums to fund campaigns for politicians who invent the wars. 2. An excuse to continue finding and maintaining fake "wars" (by the way, does anyone know the last time congress actually declared, (or ratified a presidents decision to go to), war? WW2. Go figure. I'll go into the bullshit surrounding the imperial presidency later.) so they have reasons to take more money from our paychecks and slowly chip away at our constitutionally granted freedoms, which appear rational when claimed to be a result of "maintaining national security". (Edit: I would go into how I believe that this slow and steady loss of personal rights and privacy is just a calculated process of acclimation to a NWO, within which we literally have no agency to fight back because by the time the majority realizes that what seemed like a rational progression of legislation passed for our "security" was actually the removal and abolition of such popular rights as Freedom of Expression (long fucking gone, what with conventional mass media in the pocket of lobbyists and interest groups), the Right to Bear Arms, (or arm bears, which I have found is a sometimes equally if not more effective defense strategy), or habeous corpus, and the list goes on.

I apologize for that lengthy tangent on Manifest Destiny, but it is critical to understand that if you want to understand the progression of the generally accepted American Dream. I think everyone can agree that, while one might be able to google "the American Dream" and find a few similar, generally accepted definitions for the term, that most Americans' dream, or perhaps more accurately, their desperate hopes, have long since changed, and become quite more humble.

I think it is safe to say that the horrifyingly large percentage of American's who are homeless, or living below the poverty line, or who are trying to survive on unemployment, or perhaps scariest for me, the shocking number of young adults, who relative to the majority of the global population are highly educated and/or skilled, who can't find ANY job, or have to settle for a menial, piss-poor job to slowly make the minimum deposits on their $100,000+ student loans, which, for anyone who understands compound interest and market shift trends, knows that the total is much higher, that their American Dream has become a desperate hope to hold on, survive, and maintain their current class, or at least not drop too much lower, until things improve. And because of the sense of apathy that has become commonplace in this country, they do not have the motivation to CAUSE that change themselves, and simply complain about the faults of corrupt government and poor economic forecasting.

Even those who are living relatively stable lives, who have dodged layoffs or technological unemployment or outsourcing are still battling rising prices, credit interest rates, which they didn't know to factor into their ten-year plan which was originally attempting to pay off a mortgage, afford christmas, and save up enough to send their kids to college and then live on the dog food social security can buy when they retire.

TL/DR The oldschool American Dream was a subtle nudge to get people to fulfill the elite's goal of Manifest Destiny, and as Manifest Destiny changed over time, it has effected the reality of living in the US, and thus the outlook, hopes and dreams of U.S. citizens.
 

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The American Dream changed over time
- from the proper dream of reaping the benefits of your own hard work in freedom (not bothering others)
- to the unproper dream of reaping the benefits of profiteering off of the system (thus of others)
 

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The American Dream changed over time
- from the proper dream of reaping the benefits of your own hard work in freedom (not bothering others)
- to the unproper dream of reaping the benefits of profiteering off of the system (thus of others)

Accurate summary of the situation. America is now and has recently been a nation full of VICTIMS.
 

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The American Dream is a central myth, and despite the fact that it is not reflective of reality, it brings us comfort so we go with it. It's kind of like the Just World Hypothesis.
It's what makes us think that those who don't achieve great things are lazy, and those that do are hard workers (this is not quite the case in many instances). People who put everything "on the line" and work as hard as they can do not always succeed.

Good luck on your search for purpose. If you get stuck, I recommend "The Alchemist" by Paulo Coelho. It does have some spiritual themes, but also is a quick, inspirational little read.
 

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Security.


And food.
I am hungry, lol.
 

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After years of making my living in marketing, I've come to sum the American dream up in one quick statement.

The American Dream is the ability to make yourself rich by selling a dream.
 

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What don't you understand about a society that chases it's Industrial/Manufacturing sector all the way to China with insane wage demands backed by insane federal regulatory demands, all the while worshiping the very mass consumption of inferior quality at the cheapest prices it ironically proclaims itself as having too much integrity and high quality standards to dirty it's own hands producing, then replaces all the Evil Corporate Henchmen with plasticine Dr. Phil clones to sooth the self-inflicted trauma of having participated in the Decline of Western Civilization? What don't you understand about a society that makes a Pariah of it's own steel production capacity, yet still perceives it's wasteful consumption of luxury SUV's as an inalienable right and direct reflection of it's own achievements?

We cry because the developing world has turned all our leading edges into 5 dollar whores, but we don't dare complain about the ever rising cost of keeping ourselves in denial that the enemy is within. Victims in a land of shame...
 

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But is it right to call a group of people who were too blinded by their own greed, too self righteous and too apathetic to do a damn thing about their own destruction victims? I personally consider a victim someone who was wronged while they did not have the agency to be reasonably expected to have prevented that wrongdoing. The Jews of the holocaust were victims, as are all the people killed by terrorist attacks, and the people of developing countries who are whored out as labor slaves by their greedy leaders.

I have a hard time considering the whole of America victims.
 

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So then it's safe to assume sardonic prose has been officially banned?
 
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