The club with no apparent purpose, club

[Cogwulf]

Hello there.

 

[Kidege]

 

[Decaf]

 

[Anthile]

Are you reenacting scenes from Hinduistic mythology? That'd be awesome.

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

<---------Some people need a purpose or else...

 

[Invoke Ninja's True Power]

ahhhh, bluebird of happiness, may you bestow upon me....... much happiness

that was an awful ode and a short one but an ode nonetheless

 

[Anthile]

It's not the blue bird of happyness, it's obviously Vishnu on Garuda, King of Birds.

And yup, he shoots a crocodile with an Ancient Indian Laser Beam.

 

[Cogwulf]

oooo, lazers

I'm slightly high on paintbrush restorer fumes

 

[Invoke Ninja's True Power]

They must have had some interesting drugs in the old days.

 

[Agent Intellect]

Resurrecting this thread for no apparent purpose.

 

[Cogwulf]

Im too durnk to be operating this foirum

 

[JUN]

The Club

In this club we talk about our club, are a club and do club things.

This club's purpose is to make it's members feel like they belong to something and help them integrate in the INTP society and make closer acquaintances through similar tastes.
It is also its purpose to make them feel like they are different from people who belong to other clubs, while in fact that's the very same things that makes us the same.
The purpose of this club is to, all in all, and i mean seriously now, question if clubs are really necessary.

Enjoy belonging to the club that won't make you feel like you are in a club. We all both belong and don't belong to it.

 

[The Fury]

Re: The Club

Okay, firstly what is a "dub", are you referring to the dubbing of foreign movies and tv show into English or did you somehow write dub instead of club and you're questioning the use of clubs?

Secondly is this a club for just INTPs or are other types allowed.

Thirdly, are you high right now?

 

[Cogwulf]

Re: The Club

Well this club doesn't really do anything that the forum as a whole doesn't do

 

[JUN]

Re: The Club

Well this club doesn't really do anything that the forum as a whole doesn't do

My point exactly.

Clubs don't do anything that the forum as a whole doesn't do, why are we creating clubs inside a club ?

Okay, firstly what is a "dub", are you referring to the dubbing of foreign movies and tv show into English or did you somehow write dub instead of club and you're questioning the use of clubs?

Secondly is this a club for just INTPs or are other types allowed.

Thirdly, are you high right now?

I don't think i wrote dub man ;__; seriously i even ctrl+f'd the page, only you wrote dub.

And this is an anti-club I guess, all the types are allowed, everyone's allowed, i created a club that surpasses the club that this forum is.

And I'm always high, I'm like Obelix, i fell in the thing etc.

Question is: what about YOU ?

 

[Kidege]

Re: The Club

I propose a thread merge with the 'Club with no apparent purpose club'

 

[JUN]

Re: The Club

I propose a non-merge.

This club surpasses the possibility of contents of this forum, i created a sub-institution inside an institution. Curiously the first one being bigger than the second one, this makes me happy. This club has a purpose: question clubs and what it is to belong and to not belong.

 

[Agent Intellect]

Re: The Club

If this club is the set of all clubs, does it contain itself within itself? Should we have a club that's the club of all non-existent clubs? If we have a club that can do anything that all other clubs do, then can it also do what itself does? If a club contains all non-existent clubs, then they are no longer non-existent and therefore the club cannot exist, which means it contains itself, but if it's a club that exists it cannot contain itself because it doesn't exist ad infinitum.

What about a club that only half exists? It is not completely existent, but instead is somewhere on the plane between existence and non-existence.

If this club is said to exist, then shouldn't it's opposite - the "Not The Club" - in the same vein that if light did not exist, there would not be a concept of dark?

Can there be such thing as a club that has no people? Can the advocacy of said club exist without anyone to advocate it? Can it's ideals exist on their own without anyone to hold them? Can a club exist independent of some corporeal form (ie, bodies that interact in a complex social network)?

What exactly is a club? Could a club be said to be like an organism, with a phenotype of actions translated from a memotype of memes? The ideas of said club make it's constituents behave in a certain way, much like the genes of a cell code for certain proteins. So is a club a meta-organism run on the translation of memes, or is it merely an "extended phenotype" of it's populace? Do the people make the club, or does the club influence the behavior of the people in it? Can the club itself have a mind of it's own?

There are an infinite number of possible clubs, but are all clubs viable? What about a club that has contradictory rules, ie a club where rule 1 is that "everyone is a part of this club" and rule 2 is "nobody can be a part of this club". Or a club where the only guideline is that those who have not been born yet can be a part of it. Or a club for people who have created perpetual motion machines.

If a club is purposeless, doesn't that give it the purpose of being purposeless?
Can a club be a "null" club - like my "Not The Club" where it's soul purpose is not being "The Club"?
Can I join a club that does not yet exist?
Does The Club have free coffee?



I will only join if all of these questions are answered to my satisfaction.

 

[loveofreason]

Re: The Club

Mayhaps the club-deprecating humour inherent in coining the first club... and the following glee indulged in in perpetuating the laugh, has been lost in the aether... but at least we still have AI's callous wit.

 

[Kidege]

Re: The Club

^ Amen to that.

 

[Chimera]

Re: The Club

Dammit AI, I spent too long mulling over your post and now my head hurts.
If I don't finish my homework tonight, I'm blaming you. ​

 

[Ombat]

Re: The Club

Can I be treasurer?

 

[The Fury]

Re: The Club

My point exactly.

Clubs don't do anything that the forum as a whole doesn't do, why are we creating clubs inside a club ?



I don't think i wrote dub man ;__; seriously i even ctrl+f'd the page, only you wrote dub.

And this is an anti-club I guess, all the types are allowed, everyone's allowed, i created a club that surpasses the club that this forum is.

And I'm always high, I'm like Obelix, i fell in the thing etc.

Question is: what about YOU ?

You didn't, my computer's screen was a bit fuzzy when I read your pot. Apologies.

No I've never taken non-prescribed drugs, my poison is alcohol. I only asked because you're post reminded me of a friend who would talk in a certain way when high.

There's not really any point to the clubs I think we create them here just for a laugh. It could also do with the fact that though most people on this forum are INTPs everyone still has different viewpoints and by creating a club you can express and share your thoughts with people who have similar views.

It's kind of like creating a subculture within a subculture.

 

[JUN]

Re: The Club

> If this club is the set of all clubs, does it contain itself within itself?

No, it does not contain itself within itself at all. Does this world contain itself within itself ? No, it's made by all the things that are contained in it but you can't say that it contains itself. Not only is that redundant but it also pointless hahahahah. But I mean... Of course things are what they are. You are a human and as a concept you contain yourself, right ? hahahahah.



> Should we have a club that's the club of all non-existent clubs? If we have a club that can do anything that all other clubs do, then can it also do what itself does? If a club contains all non-existent clubs, then they are no longer non-existent and therefore the club cannot exist, which means it contains itself, but if it's a club that exists it cannot contain itself because it doesn't exist ad infinitum.

Well, you can't use the meaning behind words like they are mathematics really... Specially when you're not even correlating them properly. All you've written here is nothing but a mere attempt to confuse and pervert the purpose of this club and clubs overall. But I will answer anyway since i want you to join.

So... If we have a club of all non-existent clubs then that's what it is. It is a club of all non-existent clubs, that's what it is in ITSELF. Nothing else, and yes, it exists. It's a club that accepts all of those who aren't accepted, no need to pervert the sense of anything here.



> What about a club that only half exists? It is not completely existent, but instead is somewhere on the plane between existence and non-existence.

Well, clubs can't half exist because the only way that would be possible was if clubs could daydream or be in a coma, which they can't. Clubs don't have human qualities, they are human concepts.



> If this club is said to exist, then shouldn't it's opposite - the "Not The Club" - in the same vein that if light did not exist, there would not be a concept of dark?

I am sorry to tell you this but that club already exists, you created it therefore it is real. You can't create something and say that conceptually it doesn't exist. I am sorry but ever since you thought about it... It is real. So yeah, it exists.



> Can there be such thing as a club that has no people? Can the advocacy of said club exist without anyone to advocate it? Can it's ideals exist on their own without anyone to hold them? Can a club exist independent of some corporeal form (ie, bodies that interact in a complex social network)?

This club has no people because it has everyone. What I was trying to say is that this club is bigger than all the clubs in here, including this forum. It was a game of concepts.

And the ideals are held by at least... Me. I understand that this club was only a play in order to make everyone understand that this forum, in itself, is a club, therefore you are just making clubs inside clubs, segregating yourselves inside a segregation. So all i wanted to do was make the people here understand that... Or to bring that upon their attention, because it is something that i find amusing. I find amusing that people have a strong tendency to differentiate themselves from each other... Which is paradoxically what makes them the same.

And clubs can't exist independently of some corporeal form, clubs aren't feelings... They are clubs. Organizations of people.



> What exactly is a club? Could a club be said to be like an organism, with a phenotype of actions translated from a memotype of memes? The ideas of said club make it's constituents behave in a certain way, much like the genes of a cell code for certain proteins. So is a club a meta-organism run on the translation of memes, or is it merely an "extended phenotype" of it's populace? Do the people make the club, or does the club influence the behavior of the people in it? Can the club itself have a mind of it's own?

Clubs have as much a mind of their own as this world has... It doesn't. The club is made by the people and for the people. The point of a club is to organize people with similar interests and so on. I wish this had a drawing thing like MSN does hahahah, I explain the way things work much better with schemes hahah. But I think i was clear enough. In order for a club to exist it needs people who think the same... Who want to work in the same direction. Like a mini organism. Yes. All which contains humans is an organism anyway.



> There are an infinite number of possible clubs, but are all clubs viable? What about a club that has contradictory rules, ie a club where rule 1 is that "everyone is a part of this club" and rule 2 is "nobody can be a part of this club". Or a club where the only guideline is that those who have not been born yet can be a part of it. Or a club for people who have created perpetual motion machines.

All clubs are viable because they are called CLUBS, clubs don't raise questions by themselves, people who are in the clubs raise the questions. And rules can be paradoxical as much as they want... If it's called a club it'll still be a club hahahah.



> If a club is purposeless, doesn't that give it the purpose of being purposeless?
Can a club be a "null" club - like my "Not The Club" where it's soul purpose is not being "The Club"?

You answered yourself. A non-club is nothing more than a club whose purpose it is to be a non-club. It is a club.



> Can I join a club that does not yet exist?

No.



> Does The Club have free coffee?

Yes. And you are loads of fun.










> There's not really any point to the clubs I think we create them here just for a laugh. It could also do with the fact that though most people on this forum are INTPs everyone still has different viewpoints and by creating a club you can express and share your thoughts with people who have similar views.

It's kind of like creating a subculture within a subculture.

Thank you for admitting that. Hahahah, that's all I wanted really, just wanted you guys to realize that there really isn't any purpose here and that this is only for laughs. I'm sorry but that, in itself, amuses me. And if you say that this is only for laughs then the forum itself is only for laughs. Therefore abandoning all purpose in this forum... DUN DUN DUUUUUN.


Everyone, enjoy your day.

Oh and yes, you can be treasurer Ombat. Whatever it is that treasurers do.

 

[Anthile]

Re: The Club

I propose a thread merge with the 'Club with no apparent purpose club'

Threads merged for no reason at all.

 

[JUN]

Re: The Club

Threads merged for no reason at all.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Agent Intellect]

Re: The Club

No, it does not contain itself within itself at all. Does this world contain itself within itself ? No, it's made by all the things that are contained in it but you can't say that it contains itself. Not only is that redundant but it also pointless hahahahah. But I mean... Of course things are what they are. You are a human and as a concept you contain yourself, right ? hahahahah.

Hence the word "if" - a purely hypothetical question. But, to go along with the premises, if a club exists, does it not contain itself as a whole, or is it only existing as a sum of it's parts? Is the term "progressive multifocal luekoencephalitis" only a line of letters, and not a full term in of itself? What about the phrase "Is a phrase" Is a phrase? It's talking about itself from a meta point of view, creating a recursive phrase. If "The Club" is a club, is it not talking about itself as a club, thereby recursively referring to itself as something other than itself?

Well, you can't use the meaning behind words like they are mathematics really... Specially when you're not even correlating them properly. All you've written here is nothing but a mere attempt to confuse and pervert the purpose of this club and clubs overall. But I will answer anyway since i want you to join.

So... If we have a club of all non-existent clubs then that's what it is. It is a club of all non-existent clubs, that's what it is in ITSELF. Nothing else, and yes, it exists. It's a club that accepts all of those who aren't accepted, no need to pervert the sense of anything here.

Earlier you made it sound as if a club is only the sum of it's parts, but if the sum of it's parts is zero (ie, the sum of all non existent clubs) then how does the club exist? Wouldn't the club have to exist as itself in order to exist as a club being not the sum of all non-existent clubs? But if the only thing the club can do is contain non-existent clubs, then it would not be able to contain itself (it would be like saying "Is not a phrase" is not a phrase.)

Well, clubs can't half exist because the only way that would be possible was if clubs could daydream or be in a coma, which they can't. Clubs don't have human qualities, they are human concepts.

A daydream or a human in a coma still have fully existing corporeal forms - a daydream in the form of synaptic firing, reaction potentials, calcium waves etc and a person in a coma, i think we can both agree, still exists.

I'm talking about something on a plane of gray area between existence and non-existence, like a rock that's only half existent. If a club is just an ideal, can that ideal only half exist, or is there only a duality between clubs that exist and clubs that do not exist?

I am sorry to tell you this but that club already exists, you created it therefore it is real. You can't create something and say that conceptually it doesn't exist. I am sorry but ever since you thought about it... It is real. So yeah, it exists.

If a club exists only through it's adherents, then how does a club with no members exist? Does a club exist as an idea, independent of anyone adhering to it? In this sense, do all clubs already exist, even if nobody is in them, or have even thought about them yet? If a clubs ideals shift, do the members of the club simply change to an already existing club, leaving the club they were in before (rather like a quantum theory of clubs rather then a continuum)?

This club has no people because it has everyone. What I was trying to say is that this club is bigger than all the clubs in here, including this forum. It was a game of concepts.

So, every club can have a meta-club that's bigger then it, and then that club will have a meta-meta-club that it's contained within?

And the ideals are held by at least... Me. I understand that this club was only a play in order to make everyone understand that this forum, in itself, is a club, therefore you are just making clubs inside clubs, segregating yourselves inside a segregation. So all i wanted to do was make the people here understand that... Or to bring that upon their attention, because it is something that i find amusing. I find amusing that people have a strong tendency to differentiate themselves from each other... Which is paradoxically what makes them the same.

So, if I hold a belief that's independent of anyone else, then that individual belief of mine could be said to be a club? I am segregated from everyone else in my own ideals, being that I am one person, and I do not share the same neural patterns as someone else. This is a blurring of the definition of a club. Is there a club that all people who have used the word "the" fit within, since they are similar in one aspect of how they behave or think?

And clubs can't exist independently of some corporeal form, clubs aren't feelings... They are clubs. Organizations of people.

Then how does a club exist if it doesn't have any people in it? I can't make a decision to join your clubs with so many discrepancies in your answers!

Clubs have as much a mind of their own as this world has... It doesn't. The club is made by the people and for the people. The point of a club is to organize people with similar interests and so on. I wish this had a drawing thing like MSN does hahahah, I explain the way things work much better with schemes hahah. But I think i was clear enough. In order for a club to exist it needs people who think the same... Who want to work in the same direction. Like a mini organism. Yes. All which contains humans is an organism anyway.

All of the cells in my body are working in the same direction, does that mean I am a club and not an organism? A club would be more like a meta-organism then a mini-organism (but perhaps that's just me being pedantic).

Can there be a club of people who all have completely opposing interests or world views? Could a club be organized on the principle that the way in which everyone is similar is that they are completely dissimilar? Is there such thing as a club that's polymetrically opposed?

All clubs are viable because they are called CLUBS, clubs don't raise questions by themselves, people who are in the clubs raise the questions. And rules can be paradoxical as much as they want... If it's called a club it'll still be a club hahahah.

But if a club cannot have any people in the club (that's one of the clubs rules) then how do the people within the club raise the question about whether it's a club or not? If a club needs people in it in order for it to be a club, a club that's only rule is that nobody can be in the club then cannot be a club (meaning not all clubs are viable clubs)?

You answered yourself. A non-club is nothing more than a club whose purpose it is to be a non-club. It is a club.

But if it's a club, then it's not being not a club, and is therefore voiding itself by breaking its one fundamental rule. It's like saying "this statement is false". A null club could exist, I'll grant that, but a club cannot be a club that has the purpose of not being a club, because that would make it a club which means it's no longer not being a club.

> Can I join a club that does not yet exist?

No.

What if the club, once it comes into existence, is a club for all people in the past?

> Does The Club have free coffee?

Yes. And you are loads of fun.

The French existentialist Jean-Paul Sartre was sitting in a cafe when a waitress approached him: "Can I get you something to drink, Monsieur Sartre?"
Sartre replied, "Yes, I'd like a cup of coffee with sugar, but no cream".
Nodding agreement, the waitress walked off to fill the order and Sartre returned to working. A few minutes later, however, the waitress returned and said, "I'm sorry, Monsieur Sartre, we are all out of cream -- how about with no milk?"

 

[JUN]

Yes well, when I, Eva Neves Pereira, was reading this forum, sitting on my awesome chair, my father, José Pereira, approached me and said: "Look, do you want to go have lunch now or what ?" and I calmly said: "Wait, let me just write this down for a guy on a forum." And so I did.

 

[Agent Intellect]

Damn, I was having fun discussing things on a meaningless level of abstraction (plus we were talking about clubs, which was the purpose of the club until it got merged with the purposeless club)!

 

[JUN]

That's why I'm not discussing it anymore. The club I created actually had a purpose. But thank you to the asshole who decided to merge them.

It's my way of protesting against this inconsiderate decision of merging something which had an actual, clearly described purpose with something which "HAS NO APPARENT PURPOSE" in which the first post is as follows:

Hello there.




Fuck you man, fuck you, you totally hurt my INTP feelings. I thought I was amidst my fellow INTPers. WHY AM I SO MISUNDERSTOOD ?!

 

[Kuu]

 

[Cogwulf]

you totally hurt my INTP feelings.

 

[JUN]

I
AM
WAITING
MR.
MODERATOR.

 

[JUN]

STILL WAITING.
AND I WILL KEEP WAITING.
FOREVER AND EVER.
Why must you ignore me so ?

 

[JUN]