The Cause of All the World's Problems

[Black Rose]

The religious say it was original sin and or ignorance.
The solution to them was Jesus and or meditation.

But then nihilists took over and killed god.

So the scientists said it is the evolutionary struggle for survival.
The solution to them was education.

The problem is they educated people to be atheists.

The communists then took over and said it was exploitation.
The solution to them was killing all rich people and implementing a utopia.

But this led to 100 million deaths. No food or commodities for half the world.

So people turned to god again but god would not cure babies with cancer.
So the people turned to science again. And this created social media.

Social media led to cancel culture and currently, the government is clamping down.

So what do I think?

The solution is not god.
The solution is not communism.
The solution is not education camps.
The solution is not nihilism.

The solution is to cure the brain damage.

The solution is psychology.

Bill Cosby Children Brain Damage

 

[ZenRaiden]

But then nihilists took over and killed god.

God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?
— Nietzsche, The Gay Science, Section 125, tr. Walter Kaufmann

Nihilist were not talking about themselves. They were talking about people.

 

[Black Rose]

But then nihilists took over and killed god.

God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?
— Nietzsche, The Gay Science, Section 125, tr. Walter Kaufmann

Nihilist were not talking about themselves. They were talking about people.

Is this a form of brain damage?

The cause of the world's problems is brain damage, I think?

 

[Cognisant]

The cause of all the world's problems is people, and I can prove it, if there's no people there's no problems.

If there were no Christians there would still be problems.

If there were no nihilists there would still be problems.

Is there any demographic of people which ALL problems can be traced back to?

 

[Black Rose]

The cause of all the world's problems is people, and I can prove it, if there's no people there's no problems.

The least damaged are more likely to separate from the most damaged. Therefore the demographics are not equal. Some people just get along better than others and so they congregate outside those who don't. The parents of the least damaged usually raise their kids to avoid the morally damaged individuals for their own protection.

 

[sushi]

i think there are many layers to world's problems like a pyramid.

it cant be generalized to just psychology

the bottom layer is obviously survival and scarcity, malthus trap

as for psychology, its probably most related to crime, suffering and unhappiness.

 

[ZenRaiden]

Is this a form of brain damage?

The cause of the world's problems is brain damage, I think?

"We have killed him." Refers to specific enlightenment philosophers, who by Nietzsche standards unraveled, mysticism of religion. Ergo reason surpassed christian mysticism.
Only problem for Nietzsche was his prediction came too early. He did not understand humans.

 

[Black Rose]

"We have killed him." Refers to specific enlightenment philosophers, who by Nietzsche standards unraveled, mysticism of religion. Ergo reason surpassed christian mysticism.
Only problem for Nietzsche was his prediction came too early. He did not understand humans.

What did he not understand about humans?

Mysticism has something to do with the peak spiritual experience.

That one comes in contact with the divine.

And that this divinity is a person.

Disunity with the divine has everything to do with the enclosure of the ineffable away from the human mind. I cannot believe in what I cannot logically concur but then what can logically concur is not without the split from one's self. I can't believe in what is not part of myself. So when it is part of myself I can believe.

The problems arise with the nature of reality then, how does the density play in? Too much information and things cannot move. But in realities that have less information things move at ease. Science tells us that our reality is dense. But the spirit has the freedom to move faster. Belief Is when you have that connection to what is moving and what moves does so at the rate of density. It is believed that God can change the density of reality information.

 

[ZenRaiden]

What did he not understand about humans?

I believe in Nietzsche time people like him felt like supreme authorities on truth.
Yes Nietzsche was good.
But he was neither supreme authority or super wise or anything.
He had some profound insight and worded in his time and age probably way forward thinking.
And in a way he was right, because lets say medieval Christianity and today's Christianity are not even same religion.

What he did not understand the human need to have a belief system.
We humans have not evolved or can evolve beyond belief systems, no matter how rational we are. So no philosophy did not kill God. No amount of knowledge can, if anything the contrary might happen that we will know God.

Mysticism has something to do with the peak spiritual experience.

That one comes in contact with the divine.

And that this divinity is a person.

Mysticism has many ideas and concepts, that are not always coherent set of beliefs.
Divinity is a concept.
Spiritual experience can happen to anyone.
Mysticism simply implies it can be done through knowing and practice and rituals.

The problems arise with the nature of reality then, how does the density play in? Too much information and things cannot move. But in realities that have less information things move at ease. Science tells us that our reality is dense. But the spirit has the freedom to move faster. Belief Is when you have that connection to what is moving and what moves does so at the rate of density. It is believed that God can change the density of reality information.

This is interesting.
I think this has psychological reality to it as well.
Light thoughts sometimes seem more important and have seemingly more weight to them.
For example under hypnosis people can do extra ordinary things. Or in trance. Yet they don't even seem to know about it.

 

[Black Rose]

Utopia

The problem with Marxism is not economics, it's Atheism.

People need something to live for. So they believe in stuff. Marxism says we can make a utopia if we stop the capitalists from stealing surplus wealth and distributing it to the workers in a coe-op. The problem is utopias need everyone to be good and cooperate to give the money to everyone equally. People believe we can do this but it's not possible.

Marx thought we could if we stopped believing in God. marxism and communism are premised on the idea that if people get what they need i.e. wealth they stop believing in God. So to create a Utopia where God does not exist give people wealth equally.

Then the problem is that God does not go away. People still have different levels of intelligence and understanding of reality. People still believe in consciousness and resurrection(simulation hypothesis).

We can build robots that give everyone what they need but not give them a purpose. People can vote for things and when you give away their purpose they will vote for it back. What can people do to get back purpose, and believe in God more because science is not enough? People begin to ask what life means.

If people want life to mean something then they need to think about the cognitive aspect, the psychological aspect of consciousness. The spirituality of themselves. In a utopia, people go back to religion. Because what is it that I am as an individual supposed to contribute to society?

People will create a utopia when technology allows us to overcome what is the human condition but then how? by the process of finding the optimum human functioning. The meaning will come from art. This art will be about a person's ability to live.

To live, As Nietzsche said, is that without music, life would be a mistake.

 

[ZenRaiden]

The problem with Marxism is not economics, it's Atheism.

I am going to agree now, and play game, lets say that was it, then in that case Christianity was really just ideal that maybe in some way contested communist ideal.
Ideologically I think Christianity is much worse today, but during communism had to be subservient. Today it is in bigger problem than anytime before. Devote Christians were plenty during communism.
My grandfather was high communist commissary, my grandma was working class cook, devote Christian.
Not going to defend communism here, but the oppression of Christianity was not so effervescent as Christian authorities would have you believe.
It would be precisely the struggle against communism that made Christianity so strong during communism. Being Christian was like being punk. It had its allure of "fuck you"to the system. Trust me, when I say many ordinary Christians would go back to communism if they could. You won't see many surveys on this topic, plus, every single priest, pope, etc. has agenda, to make money for Christian church, so the doctrine here is to criticize communism, since Christianity is about money as well.
Church needs monero, and they got nothing in while commies were around.
It did not hurt Christ, it hurt the Vatican coffers.

Marx thought we could if we stopped believing in God. marxism and communism are premised on the idea that if people get what they need i.e. wealth they stop believing in God. So to create a Utopia where God does not exist give people wealth equally.

Its not wealth as in having a porsch and private jet. Its education and living standards.
When people criticize Marx, they need to first look at the date the guy was living in and look at west capital nations. Trust me living in Marx's time and being working class in the west, you would be much poorer than working class socialist in 1950s.
I am serious. Watch any documentary about great depression to understand what poverty really is. That shit hit US and west hard. Real hard. Women were selling their kids off for dollars to slavery just to make sure their kids survive. People have no clue what depressed economy can do to capitalism. So Marx must be understood through this lens of Marxes time. Studying history you quickly learn that a lot of people compare Marx criticism to today's economy which is flawed reasoning.

What can people do to get back purpose, and believe in God more because science is not enough? People begin to ask what life means.

Purpose can be found in million things. God does not necessarily equal purpose.
God can be protector, or life affirming, or death defying etc.
Even God serves many roles.
Atheist people can have perfect purpose in life.
We people choose our anchors in life. That ability to choose can be frightening, but also liberating and many other things.

People will create a utopia when technology allows us to overcome what is the human condition but then how? by the process of finding the optimum human functioning. The meaning will come from art. This art will be about a person's ability to live.

Yes, but have you ever asked yourself what is optimum functioning?

he meaning will come from art. This art will be about a person's ability to live.

We humans are crazy complicated creatures, and that is what is so wonderful about humans. Its also the the thing that makes us very frail in face of this cold world.
And you are right, what does it even mean to live and how do we do it right?
It is art, in fact one can view anything like art. Kind of like Japanese make tea ceremonies art.