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Helvete

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I was reading the weird eccentric stuff intp's do thread a while back and I remember seeing talking to yourself mentioned quite a lot. (I cba to post the link sorry!)

So I was thinking about how I talk to myself and why I do it. This lead to wondering about same questions for other people who talk to themselves and whether or not it's for similar reasons as to why I do. Which is always, as far as I recall to explain thought processes as if I'm conversing with someone, even though there's no one there. I figured I do it because it helps me understand and process my own thoughts; almost like another medium of thinking which always my mind to become clearer and more focussed. I'v also realised that some of the best ideas I'v had has come from alone periods of self chatter.

Does this resonate with anyone else?

+ above questions.

Also feel free to tell me I need a psychiatrist ;)
 

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Funny you mention it, as I was just making this point... to myself!

I thought I was loosing my mind when I started talking to myself, but it's so helpful in clarifying my thoughts that I did it anyway. My sense is that since my thought process is non-sequential (I consider it holographic, or outside-in, or fuzzy-all-at-once-details-later) I need the imposed order of sentences to keep from trying to imagine everything at once, and therefore having nothing worth saying. But I only use it after the thought has taken hold. It's the birthing process. Conception requires less talking and more...

I'll see your quirk and raise you a psychosis: I sometimes talk to myself in accents to give what I'm saying a different vibe.
 

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ENTP


Talk to myself 2x-3x as much as I talk to anyone else.

Most people are too boring...and...I'm just interesting as fuck.


No but seriously, I can have entire conversations with myself without realizing it, and then I'll have been talking to myself wondering about what I've said to myself and then I notice and I just go wtf.

For example, I can't fucking stand, or even maintain smalltalk. If people around me or to me are only conversing in this manner I will gladly (lol, usually unconsciously) begin to converse with myself instead.


Oddly enough, this female ISTP was talking to me, and so I conversed with her, and somehow drifted into "somewhat" smalltalk territory, being the badass smart jocks that ISTPs are, she went "ha, I know you're not interested in that stuff." I honestly was just unconsciously continuing the conversation, but when she said it, it came to me that I really didn't care, just attempting to maintain the facade of sociability. I do have an affinity for ISxx's lol xD


Far too often in conversation with anyone, I am far too obsessed with the idea of the conversation, the Ne-Ti stuff, not in the actual person LOL.


:cool:
 

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I often talk to myself as though I was explaining a concept to someone else. I ask myself questions too, and see if my unserstanding is enough to answer them.

It generally happens without my realizing, I just suddenly break into a soliloquy with two separate personas. I share the same sentiment that this process is helpful. I think the questions I ask myself are useful, since it's somewhat like trying to teach a concept - which makes me really flesh it out in detail.

Actually I do the same thing when other people are around. Every now and then I realize while I'm doing it, but mostly it seems unconscious.

Also I tend to end up unintentionally mimicking people's speech/behaviour patterns when I'm around them. Like I can fake enthusiasm without even intending to, I just adopt whatever the current mood is in some unconscious way.
 

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Funny you mention it, as I was just making this point... to myself!

I thought I was loosing my mind when I started talking to myself, but it's so helpful in clarifying my thoughts that I did it anyway. My sense is that since my thought process is non-sequential (I consider it holographic, or outside-in, or fuzzy-all-at-once-details-later) I need the imposed order of sentences to keep from trying to imagine everything at once, and therefore having nothing worth saying. But I only use it after the thought has taken hold. It's the birthing process. Conception requires less talking and more...

I'll see your quirk and raise you a psychosis: I sometimes talk to myself in accents to give what I'm saying a different vibe.

Yeah I get what you mean, my heads a sea of swirling thoughts, often only small bits or segments splashing me in the face; until I get swept aqua by a big wave, where then I start talking about that particular thought and debate and evaluate then question it all again. After that I'll find and go down lots of irresistible tangents then link it back to my original thought. This process normally can take between 5 to 20 mins, depending on how many tangents etc I go down and I'll often notice about halfway through that I'm talking about it.
This train of thoughts can often touch lots of stuff that goes cold turkey though. Apart from the original thought - often the tangents serve to help explain what I deviated from.

I fold to your psychosis, as it's distracting from my quirk, so distracting I decorated some of my words with fancy descriptive words.

ENTP


Talk to myself 2x-3x as much as I talk to anyone else.

Most people are too boring...and...I'm just interesting as fuck.
This where I shut up and pretend to listen, as soon as people are involved, especially boring people, I can focus clearly internally on them, or the conversation around me. It's like I have room to breath when alone and can express myself out loud to myself

No but seriously, I can have entire conversations with myself without realizing it, and then I'll have been talking to myself wondering about what I've said to myself and then I notice and I just go wtf.
COLOR="DarkOrange"[]I do this, though a subconscious debate that suddenly becomes real clear when I notice, which seems to be much sooner these days. But I carry on anyway.[/COLOR]

For example, I can't fucking stand, or even maintain smalltalk. If people around me or to me are only conversing in this manner I will gladly (lol, usually unconsciously) begin to converse with myself instead.
COLOR="DarkOrange"[]Again I shut up, or just reply with my default smalltalk to end the conversation quicker.
Is this almost a coping mechanism wherein you almost hope others will join in a decent conversation rather than petty small speak?[/COLOR]

Oddly enough, this female ISTP was talking to me, and so I conversed with her, and somehow drifted into "somewhat" smalltalk territory, being the badass smart jocks that ISTPs are, she went "ha, I know you're not interested in that stuff." I honestly was just unconsciously continuing the conversation, but when she said it, it came to me that I really didn't care, just attempting to maintain the facade of sociability. I do have an affinity for ISxx's lol xD
Should of got her digitzz. Shame.


Far too often in conversation with anyone, I am far too obsessed with the idea of the conversation, the Ne-Ti stuff, not in the actual person LOL.

This here is threadworthy ;). You surely converse about subject to exchange and check information, so the persons already lost relevance, unless it's a specific person with knowledge you're interested in. You can share ideas with anyone and see what they think, their opinions might not matter to you or may be utter dogshit; in which case you can then decide whether or not to talk to them in future or if they may matter in future.
My general view is the person doesn't matter, it's the information they have to offer which does.
But this is all assuming you're after stimulating conversation, and not that fluffy stuff that makes me want to vomit.

:cool:

I often talk to myself as though I was explaining a concept to someone else. I ask myself questions too, and see if my unserstanding is enough to answer them.

It generally happens without my realizing, I just suddenly break into a soliloquy with two separate personas. I share the same sentiment that this process is helpful. I think the questions I ask myself are useful, since it's somewhat like trying to teach a concept - which makes me really flesh it out in detail.

Actually I do the same thing when other people are around. Every now and then I realize while I'm doing it, but mostly it seems unconscious.

Also I tend to end up unintentionally mimicking people's speech/behaviour patterns when I'm around them. Like I can fake enthusiasm without even intending to, I just adopt whatever the current mood is in some unconscious way.

I do all of this, except using different persona's. It's always as if I'm speaking a monologue and someone else is listening, then I'll explain myself in a way that answers unsaid questions. A natural progression of thought.
Sometimes I do question myself and what I'v said out loud though, without the pretence of being someone else though.

I do the mimicking thing too, but it's quite subtle and only seems to be around people I respect. Often lacking real enthusiasm though.
 

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Guilty as charged. Though I try and contain the conversation in my head. If I do start talking out loud or make some grimace, I take it as lack of control over my body. Though a hearty chuckle is fine once I beat myself with my own arguments, checkmate myself or disprove something I thought was common sense.

All in all, don't worry, you are insane. ;)
 

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I narrate in 3rd/1st person when no one is around and I decide to talk.
I used to do this in 2nd/1st person, as in, another personality, but I decided I didn't want it and I switched to using purely thoughts and then returned with "evolved" narration after a few months.
 

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do you mean talking out loud?

seems weird. why would you do that except if making some funny noises?
 

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My boss caught me talking to myself in the backroom while I was making tea the other day. I was having a political debate with myself over the issues with the Australian aviation industry while listening to the news review:o

I tend to talk to myself after hearing conversations on the radio; particularly political issues or some controversial topic. It is a way of sorting out my thoughts on the matter, and perhaps I will discover that I have a different stance in the process as I tend to play devil's advocate with my own thoughts. It's like second-guessing manifested in speech.

Also, hearing my own voice will sometimes startle me a little, and make me look at the statement with some detachment. Hearing my own thoughts loudly somehow makes me see the ludicrousness of some of my arguments, which causes me to shut up and think for a while - until I start again.

I guess it is similar to my writing process. I will write something for an assignment and be reasonably satisfied. Then, upon subsequent proof-reading the next day, I could be absolutely horrified at the clumsiness of my expression and I will sit down and obsessively re-formulate until it rings with the right sort of resonance - similarly to when you are tuning an instrument such as a violin; you keep tweaking and listening until you hear the resonance, or vibration throughout the whole casing of the violin - only then can you be one hundred per cent sure you have hit the perfect pitch.
 

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do you mean talking out loud?

seems weird. why would you do that except if making some funny noises?

It's not something conscious, it just happens.
 

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i figured, but there must be some motivation.
When I talk to myself it is sometimes easier to organise my thoughts.

It doesn't work when I listen to music, I don't talk to myself then.

It used to be less conscious, now when I cannot focus and run several threads that are concerned with different things, I voice the one I want to focus on at the moment.
 

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i figured, but there must be some motivation.

Maybe it fulfils some desire for socialization, and isolatory tendencies possibly sparks unconscious mechanisms in some people - which manifest in different ways. People generally do odd things in isolation, maybe this is just one way it manifests.
 
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I always talk to myself and draw things in the air in front of me.
 
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You mean, you cast chaos magick spells with a somatic component?
Er.... Sort of. It's more like an ipad I guess. It's like my brain projects a hologram that I move with my fingers.
holograms :phear:
I doubt I'm unique in this, I just know I get weird looks when I'm talking to myself and it looks like I'm conducting an orchestra. :D
 

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I do it all the time. Not with myself but with "ideal" versions of people I meet in real life. Ideal doesn't necessarily mean good, however, that also means a lot of my conversations are rather self-destructive.
 

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I talk to myself and sometimes even "shush" myself if I think that I'm thinking BS or self-defeating stuff again.

However, I think the best conversations that I have with myself is in my mind where I talk with a projected child-like aspect. It's a trick I learned from a self-help video. I think it was designed to face traumatic events but I adapted it as a means of reflection. It's surprisingly useful since the child me has a lot of insights that adult me needs. He also helps me retain some magical thinking and sense of awe and wonder.
 

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I talk to myself and sometimes even "shush" myself if I think that I'm thinking BS or self-defeating stuff again.

However, I think the best conversations that I have with myself is in my mind where I talk with a projected child-like aspect. It's a trick I learned from a self-help video. I think it was designed to face traumatic events but I adapted it as a means of reflection. It's surprisingly useful since the child me has a lot of insights that adult me needs. He also helps me retain some magical thinking and sense of awe and wonder.

Can you expand on this at all? Not sure how similar it is to the way I'll explain things to myself to simplify it as much as possible. I find even doing this with even simple things already does help to understand it further. Also helps to see how it links to other ideas.
 

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Can you expand on this at all? Not sure how similar it is to the way I'll explain things to myself to simplify it as much as possible. I find even doing this with even simple things already does help to understand it further. Also helps to see how it links to other ideas.

I don't use this for rational things like planning for a working day, the child would probably be bored to death with that. Besides, I can handle facts, logic and reason. However, I do consult with him when it comes to fuzzy stuff like emotions, bad memories and relationships.


As for how I practice it? Basically it's like how I write or play fictional characters. I internalize his values and memories as a child and talk with myself. I then switch sides and converse with him. I do dumb things down to make it easier for him to digest. Hmm... perhaps a fictional dialogue can make this easier to explain.

Let's say I'm going to report in class:

Me: I'm really nervous, I don't even know half of these people.
Child Me: It's okay, people likes it when I recite.
Me: That was in grade school. Master's is different. They're not as friendly as our grade school teachers. I'm also not as sure as you are back then with what I know.
Child Me: I'm sure they'll like you too.


There are other ways of communicating with the child though but I don't use them. Another technique is to write as an adult with your dominant hand and then write to yourself with your weaker hand (the weaker hand's writing really looks like that of a child's).
 
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