swedens gender neutral schools

[peoplesuck]

THE URL-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sPj8HhbwHs
Thoughts? Do you think this will even out the suicide rates in boys and girls and all of the other stuffs
Try to avoid the parents and focus on the school system

I had thought it would be awesome to raise a kid gender neutral to see how much of our behavior is genetic.

 

[redbaron]

I think it's kind of a band-aid fix since you still have to live in the rest of the real world which isn't gender neutral and it's likely to just make people end up maladjusted than to help anything, and give false credibility to counter-arguments that don't really exist. Which will realistically just set the whole idea of stuff like this backwards.

Despite the fact I'm all for a culture/society that treats people as neutral, while still emphasising physiological differences between the sexes.

 

[Minuend]

Sometimes I wonder if the real problem is the gender stereotypes/ identities have become too narrow- creating a large amount of people who feel alienated and then create their own identities/ labels. Maybe what people feel they can be and feel appreciated for in general have become very limited. Or maybe it always was, but people have become more prone to attempt "break out". I guess there has always been a few groups who deviate from the majority and created their own thing- whether it was artists of old, goths, emos, punks or so. A lot of people experience alienation, being treated unfairly due to some factor they can't control or otherwise are lost and looking for that something that is missing. Sometimes a sense of belonging or answer is found in new labels. How large part of people these people consists of, I wouldn't know.

Oh, I'm talking about people who dislike the labels, btw, not those who end up transitioning and so.

 

[nanook]

today people know more about what other people might think/expect of them. the pressure to conform with expectations goes deeper under the skin, because modern expectations are directed at deeper layers of personality. people hear thousands of value-voices on the internet. if anything about their character could be critiqued, they have head that critique many times, not even necessarily directed at them, just voiced in general. before internet, people knew less voices. they had more of the harshest most primitive or superficial voices ("being gay is an abomination"), but less of the many subtle deep complex mind twisting ones. hearing "you look gay" because of tight pants is easy to handle by choosing different pants compared to seeing pages and pages of blog articles about how the only way you know how to live means you are supposedly not enough of a real man, according to entitled narcissistic female internet trolls.

 

[Hadoblado]

I'm not well educated on the subject, and am hesitant to put forward any opinion.

My gut tells me it's too much too fast for the children involved. They're being brought up in a bubble safe from reality. The end result of this 'experiment' is likely to be that the children aren't equipped to deal with biased people, end up being maladapted, and then this consequently will be held against the movement.

I basically agree on the nature of the problem they attempt to address, but am skeptical of their methods.

 

[Ex-User (14663)]

I totally agree with the dude at 11:20.

If you want to brainwash your kids with this trans shit then do it in private. Don't let a small group of wackos start imposing these systems on society as a whole.

 

[crippli]

Seems pretty obvious. Like the teacher said. Their not changing the children. Only adding, removing restrictions. Providing the whole life spectrum to each child.

There are probably much better things to learn then to be nice, strong and so on. But this duty programming is inevitable. As long as there are choices. And not twice as much duty. I'd say go for it. I would think more choices is good.

As long as it's consistent. Same shower etc. I wonder how they bail out of the larger separating systems from the background.

I think the idea is nice, but a risk of backfiring, so that in reality this translate to twice as many restrictions. Camouflaged as freedom.

 

[nanook]

lmao. beware, hado. maladapted brats will just beat the living shit out of you, with their thick books about unschooling america, when you try to exploit them, by suggesting how they ought to be, male, female, grown up, etc.

 

[Grayman]

I am all for experimentimg on children. I think the suicide rate for trans gender is 40% with little difference after sex change. There is obviously some kind of mental issue outside of just 'gender identity'. Maybe we can subject children to various environments and see if the suicide rate rises or lowers in order to determine what contributes to these self destructive mentsl conditions.

 

[Cognisant]

I think if a boy wants to wear a dress his parents should let him but they shouldn't dress him up like a girl if that isn't what he wants or pressure him into denying what he is to be politically correct.

That's where I draw the line, when it becomes oppression of the male/female identity and not because it affects me personally but because these boys and girls are going to grow up and when they do their gender identities will assert themselves.

 

[Haim]

problem: people are treated like shit because they are different.
solution: lets treat them like they are not different and stone anyone that don't like it.
Well they sure are forward thinking,enlightening.

People are different, this is yet another horrible society way to try to make unnormal people normal.So now instead of treating transgender people as boy or girl you are treating boy or girl as transgender.Because of the same kind of shit Donald trump was elected, this is political correct bullshit, an attempt to make society blind, or at least censorship and to act like the king is not naked.

The result might be interesting.

 

[redbaron]

I must have missed the part about stoning people in the video. Good thing we had Haim to pick that one up!

 

[Hadoblado]

I think the suicide rate for trans gender is 40% with little difference after sex change.

Sauce?

I've heard it drops.

 

[crippli]

I presume one do suicide because one feel bad inside. What makes men feel bad inside? Not get to murder or rape? or not get to wear dresses or high heels?

I think it's none of that, or a little of each and much more. A systematic oppression through laws.

Basically, men need to 'become women' in the sense that they support each other in the same way women support each other and use men.

If one have studied the history, one will see that what women have done, is to first 'become men' and then change things a bit and make them feminine. Infiltration and separation.

It's a Trojan horse.

The kid on that video is the best hope of the future of men. A woman may, and maybe rightfully so, consider the mothers to be traitors.

I don't think this have much to do with pretty dresses. But more about power and especially lawmaking and who you use to fill the prisons.

Simply make the boys feel protected, and they won't do suicide. And as things are, that is near impossible to do. I do not see it as unlikely that if they do adolescence as girls. They may get that feeling of being valued and protected. But it depends how strong the forces are that don't want this to happen. They may manage to kill them regardless.

 

[Grayman]

Sauce?

I've heard it drops.

I couldn't find any studies done to show that it drops. I only found complaints about the studies that showed it as being ineffective.

I read this awhile ago but cannot quote anything because of the paywall.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120

http://waltheyer.typepad.com/blog/2...fter-surgery-a-large-number-remain-traum.html

 

[Hadoblado]

Cheers dude.

 

[Reluctantly]

I finally see the light guys. Only Jeebus and a good psychiatrist can save me from my eternal psychosis. Praise Jeebus, may he forgive my damned soul. What have I done. WHAT HAVE I DONE!

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