Surviving the great bounce

[INTPWolf]

So, im stoned, and a thought occurred to me, what if, no matter how the universe ends, if we had the technology we could recreate the big bang and start a new cycle. But its a race, we have to discover everything there is to know about this universe first, before it all ends.

Cheers!

 

[Sir Eus Lee]

How do we know the big bang doesn't just end in another big bang? This big bang might have been the result of the collapse of the previous big bang.

 

[Pizzabeak]

^ but he said regardless of how the universe ends... I'm more concerned about the particulars though. Where would the Big Bang be created? You would probably just all die if you tried that anyway but presumably a time would come when life will arise once again, on some place or another? This would also have to be done before our sun destroys the solar system... So it seems like one of those vain human chauvinism ideas. People just want to live forever and propose such things to remain hopeful. Not saying that's a bad thing necessarily. Not sure what there will be when the time comes but will there even be a need for such actions or thoughts; etc? Even for non human, extraterrestrial (etc) life, is a universe (or the universe) still necessary? Most of the time it's just trying to prevent the universe from ending (or killing everything) so recreating "the Big Bang" is quite the step up indeed, for someone who has the faintest idea what they are doing. If you discovered everything there is to know about the universe then you are infinite, but only if you are remembering it all at the same time. It can probably be more practical than that, but again for someone who knows what they are doing.

 

[computerhxr]

I imagine once the universe is done expanding, everything is spread out really far apart and have very little activity. We need to survive billions(or way longer) of years without stars of anything before the recurring big bang would even be possible. Then everything would be giant black masses, which would roll down and coagulate building up all the mass in the universe. Everything would eventually be consumed by it. Inescapable, impossible.

The only solution is to make the optimal use of the energies(resources) we have available. At some point in the future we might be harvesting stars for what little remaining fuel is left to scrap. I mean, we might be using large amounts of energy to terraform planets in the future. Just like a giant 3D printer redistributing and converting the stars energy into a livable planet.

 

[Urakro]

[FLV][/FLV]

How do we know the big bang doesn't just end in another big bang? This big bang might have been the result of the collapse of the previous big bang.

That was some neat imagery your post gave me. What if the universe is like a big onion, with all the layers of older big bangs on the outer boundaries.

 

[Jennywocky]

we're not even sure what humanity would look like within a short period of time (on a universal scale). If the current age of the universe were condensed into a calendar with a length of one year, modern humans only appeared within the last few minutes of said year. who knows whether we'd even be around, let alone able to do such a thing?

It's also unlikely that a bounce will even occur, if the expansion is still currently accelerating. So current understandings and explorations of dark matter would have to reveal that a contraction is going to occur, before the bounce become relevant. And a big bang on the fringe of the expanding universe doesn't seem to make sense, if the particles are increasingly become further and further apart. What would trigger such a thing, and what matter would expand from it?

 

[Sir Eus Lee]

Ever played asteroid? Everything gets farther and farther apart until it goes to the other side of the universe and comes hurtling back to the center.

 

[computerhxr]

Ever played asteroid? Everything gets farther and farther apart until it goes to the other side of the universe and comes hurtling back to the center.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was true. Most things are round in nature at small and large scales. So the universe is likely round. If we're on a layer of space, like a bubble, then some direction may lead directly back to the other side of the space-screen.

 

[INTPWolf]

How do we know the big bang doesn't just end in another big bang? This big bang might have been the result of the collapse of the previous big bang.

yes, but even if the end does result in another big bang, how might we try to survive such an event? Perhaps our attempt to survive it causes another big bang, here in this dimension or in another.

^ but he said regardless of how the universe ends... I'm more concerned about the particulars though. Where would the Big Bang be created? You would probably just all die if you tried that anyway but presumably a time would come when life will arise once again, on some place or another? This would also have to be done before our sun destroys the solar system... So it seems like one of those vain human chauvinism ideas. People just want to live forever and propose such things to remain hopeful. Not saying that's a bad thing necessarily. Not sure what there will be when the time comes but will there even be a need for such actions or thoughts; etc? Even for non human, extraterrestrial (etc) life, is a universe (or the universe) still necessary? Most of the time it's just trying to prevent the universe from ending (or killing everything) so recreating "the Big Bang" is quite the step up indeed, for someone who has the faintest idea what they are doing. If you discovered everything there is to know about the universe then you are infinite, but only if you are remembering it all at the same time. It can probably be more practical than that, but again for someone who knows what they are doing.

Humans are still very young, its impossible to speculate exactly what technology will look like so far into the future. If we survive to the eventual end of this universe, what might we know by then? and yes, maybe by then we won't need the universe to exist, but in leaving this universe we would have to enter some other universe/dimension, this new place could be preexisting or something we create. But still the result is the same, a new universe is created, thus extending our existence at least tell that new universe dies

I imagine once the universe is done expanding, everything is spread out really far apart and have very little activity. We need to survive billions(or way longer) of years without stars of anything before the recurring big bang would even be possible. Then everything would be giant black masses, which would roll down and coagulate building up all the mass in the universe. Everything would eventually be consumed by it. Inescapable, impossible.

The only solution is to make the optimal use of the energies(resources) we have available. At some point in the future we might be harvesting stars for what little remaining fuel is left to scrap. I mean, we might be using large amounts of energy to terraform planets in the future. Just like a giant 3D printer redistributing and converting the stars energy into a livable planet.

That is if our technology doesn't advance far from where it is now.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was true. Most things are round in nature at small and large scales. So the universe is likely round. If we're on a layer of space, like a bubble, then some direction may lead directly back to the other side of the space-screen.

torus, it still works just like that.

 

[Yellow]

I imagine once the universe is done expanding, everything is spread out really far apart and have very little activity. We need to survive billions(or way longer) of years without stars of anything before the recurring big bang would even be possible. Then everything would be giant black masses, which would roll down and coagulate building up all the mass in the universe. Everything would eventually be consumed by it. Inescapable, impossible.

The only solution is to make the optimal use of the energies(resources) we have available. At some point in the future we might be harvesting stars for what little remaining fuel is left to scrap. I mean, we might be using large amounts of energy to terraform planets in the future. Just like a giant 3D printer redistributing and converting the stars energy into a livable planet.

Well, we are already working on mimicking the energy of the sun with that German fusion reactor. Once we have that concept perfected, then we can increase our uses for it. Once we have a taste and use for the power, we'd be ready to start sun-harvesting.

Theoretically, we could create our own solar systems. Not in a natural sense, but in a literal one. In a few more billion years, the landscape of the cosmos will be different. We'd have to be mobile and improvise, or risk our outposts and power plants/suns being consumed by the black holes. Maybe, we'd even find a place apart from the movement of the galaxy, and then apart from the movement of the universe. Maybe there are other universes. Maybe there's some kind of interuniversal space that's unaffected by the cycles of expansion and collapse.

OOOh! Because maybe it's on a grander scale, what we see on a small one. You know how different clouds of space dust, depending on the size and material, make different sized solar systems? And then depending on the size and material of the sun, it makes rocks or black holes or another nebula? It's looking like galaxies have equally divergent paths along the same basic plan. Well, what if universes were like that too? Like enormous flowers opening and closing with some unbelievably huge-scale version of day and night? If we could get to the end of the petals before nightfall, we could be free agents

OOOh! and since (from our limited view) it seems inevitable that a sufficiently advanced species would use/harvest suns for energy, what if such species took part in some solar ecosystem?

 

[computerhxr]

Well, we are already working on mimicking the energy of the sun with that German fusion reactor. Once we have that concept perfected, then we can increase our uses for it. Once we have a taste and use for the power, we'd be ready to start sun-harvesting.

I don't know how anything can function without energy. I would think that even the binding of atoms would fall apart at maximum expansion. So after the stars have all been harvested for their resources, and atoms have all been depleted, there won't be much left. Since energy tries to balance, even if something tried to exist, induction would be so powerful that it would drain anything in existence to balance the energy. Maybe that is how a blackhole works?

Theoretically, we could create our own solar systems. Not in a natural sense, but in a literal one. In a few more billion years, the landscape of the cosmos will be different.

Maybe, but it would take energy. It has to come from somewhere.

OOOh! Because maybe it's on a grander scale, what we see on a small one. You know how different clouds of space dust, depending on the size and material, make different sized solar systems? And then depending on the size and material of the sun, it makes rocks or black holes or another nebula? It's looking like galaxies have equally divergent paths along the same basic plan. Well, what if universes were like that too? Like enormous flowers opening and closing with some unbelievably huge-scale version of day and night? If we could get to the end of the petals before nightfall, we could be free agents

Flowers make sense.

OOOh! and since (from our limited view) it seems inevitable that a sufficiently advanced species would use/harvest suns for energy, what if such species took part in some solar ecosystem?

There is evidence that this is already happening. Scientists measure the light from the stars and they've found a spot where all the light was pulled into something, making the stars way dimmer than they should be. Some speculate that it's a machine that went into warp-drive and it changes space-time around the event.

 

[Yellow]

I don't know how anything can function without energy. I would think that even the binding of atoms would fall apart at maximum expansion. So after the stars have all been harvested for their resources, and atoms have all been depleted, there won't be much left. Since energy tries to balance, even if something tried to exist, induction would be so powerful that it would drain anything in existence to balance the energy. Maybe that is how a blackhole works?

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Maybe, but it would take energy. It has to come from somewhere.

Dang it. I forgot about all that. Maybe there's a way around it. Like a way to mimic our own little bounces. I mean the universe exists, so there must be some way to recycle matter and energy. Maybe it can be done on a scale that isn't apocalyptic.

 

[Pyropyro]

Step 1: Make super-awesome spaceship
Step 2: Head to the center of the Big Crunch
Step 3: Be bros with the Collective Sentience of the Universe
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Become Galactus, the Devourer of Worlds

 

[computerhxr]

Dang it. I forgot about all that. Maybe there's a way around it. Like a way to mimic our own little bounces. I mean the universe exists, so there must be some way to recycle matter and energy. Maybe it can be done on a scale that isn't apocalyptic.

We might be able to create a cross-dimensional piston to generate energy from the pull of the inevitable singularity.

Here's a question for you. What if the big bang never happens unless every spec is returned to the source? It would make sense that the conditions for a big bang is a singularity, so your existence would prevent that from being true. Maybe you can escape it but what would be the point? Do you know how long infinity is? It means, it will never happen, but at some point it will inevitably happen. That's why it's so confusing... Time won't be able to escape the pull, but maybe it will live out infinity before being entirely consumed? Might not even be a real concern. An inevitability that our timeline would never know.

Step 1: Make super-awesome spaceship
Step 2: Head to the center of the Big Crunch
Step 3: Be bros with the Collective Sentience of the Universe
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Become Galactus, the Devourer of Worlds

Step 4: Profit!