Still cant figure out my own Type, even though Ive got great at typing others

[Silvermoon]

Ive gotten quite good at recognizing type in real and fictional people but for some reason Im still very confused about my own type.

I believe I identify most with introverted thinking and introverted intuition so that would indicate either ISTP or INFJ. Some how I find INFJ unlikely since I seem to be in direct conflict with Fe pretty much always. Somehow I doubt ISTP since I dont really have many of the characteristics of introverted sensation- I tend to be pretty disconnected from reality on a physical level. INTP is the other possibility for Ti dom but I have taken the cognitive function test and like I said I have tested High in Ni and Ti, and actually Fi but faily low in Ne which I dont really relate to anyway since my thoughts are pretty focused down one path as opposed to being tangential. INTJ is I guess a possibility since that would be Ni dominant but I doubt this as well since I dont tend to have great Te skills.

So basically Im just very confused since my functions dont appear to be in any sort of normal stack

I assume its just because Im bad at evaluating myself though so if anyone can help?

 

[Black Rose]

Like you I have a hard time understanding myself also.
I took this socionics test a while ago and got INFP.
I took it again and got INTJ.
I know myself allot better now so I think INTJ is my actual type.
I had to pause often to make sure I answered all questions correctly.
I think I got INFP last time because I was feeling lonely.
INTJ's have that spot in them that just needs love.
Fe is my vulnerable function.

Fe as Vulnerable Function

The individual tries hard to never let himself "come apart at the seams" emotionally or even let out strong feelings publicly, because displays of passion do not come naturally and make him feel self-consciousness and vulnerable to painful criticism. This makes the individual generally seem emotionally neutral and politely indifferent to excitement and agitation around him. The individual deeply dislikes attempts by others to get him to "cheer up" or "join the fun", especially in the context of group activities with loud emotional expression.

http://www.sociotype.com/tests/#The-Extended-Socionics-Test

 

[Silvermoon]

I took the sociotype test and I scored as INTP but ENTP was second and actually described me better so Im starting to entertain the idea that Im just a socially underdeveloped ENTP. It seems I might actually be an Ne dom since I evidently was and still am confused about Ne vs Ni. Im definitely more of an idea person and tend to use logic to troll people rather than actually follow it or strive towards logical consistency although I do consider myself more logically consistent then most. It also says that ENTPs are more inclined to argue with people which is definitely true for me. I dont argue for a goal or to gain anything really. I just enjoy the process of arguing and the tug of war of ideas.

 

[reckful]

@Silvermoon —

You've referred to a "normal stack" of functions...

Well, just so you know, the forum-famous model that says that INTJ=Ni-Te-Fi-Se and INTP=Ti-Ne-Si-Fe (and ZOMG, INTJs and INTPs have no functions in common) is the Harold Grant function stack — and it's inconsistent with Jung, inconsistent with Myers, and has never been endorsed by the official MBTI folks. More importantly, and unlike the respectable districts of the MBTI, that function stack has no substantial body of evidence behind it — and indeed, should probably be considered all but disproven at this point, given that the correlational patterns associated with it have stubbornly failed to show up in over 50 years of MBTI data pools.

The idea that an INTP has "tertiary Si," and will therefore tend (probabilistically speaking) to have "Si" aspects of personality in common with a typical ISFJ that ISFPs tend not to exhibit, is a typological assertion that — like all assertions that crosscut the dichotomies in that counterintuitive way — has no more validity than the notion that two people born at around the same time will tend to have aspects of personality in common because they're both Capricorns.

Similarly, the notion that, if you're a "Ti type," you're also an "Fe type" — and ditto for the Te/Fi, Ni/Se and Ne/Si pairs (the so-called "function axes," or "tandems") — is also a by-product of the Grant stack, and it's nonsense.

And the problems with the functions don't begin and end with the Grant function stack. Contrary to a lot of what gets posted in the Great Internet Forum Echo Chamber, and as James Reynierse has noted in a series of articles in the journal published by the official MBTI folks (including "The Case Against Type Dynamics"), the so-called "cognitive functions" are appropriately characterized as a "category mistake" — and if you're open to a hefty weekend helping of reality-based input on the relationship between the dichotomies and the functions, the place of the functions (or lack thereof) in the MBTI's history, and the tremendous gap between the dichotomies and the functions in terms of scientific respectability (not to mention the unbearable bogosity of the Grant function stack), you can find a lot of potentially eye-opening discussion in this Typology Central post and the posts it links to.

As a final note, that last linked post is in a thread that also includes a 10-post (I am not making this up) extravaganza with a metric ass ton of type-me-related input from me, including a separate section on each of the four MBTI dimensions (including two posts of chewy J/P goodness), a link to roundups of online profiles for each of the 16 types, a brief intro to the Big Five neuroticism dimension, and a contrarian discussion of that perennial puzzler, "can I haz INTx?" — and just in case you're interested, that 10-post series starts here.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

^ I believe in both function order and astrology

@Silvermoon I did a type analysis where I typed you as INTP, but I lost confidence in it so I removed it. If my impression grows stronger I will re-type it.

 

[TheManBeyond]

if you are not extremely impatient like me discard Se types

 

[Silvermoon]

I do tend to be impatient and want to jump into things. I am very goal/results oriented and get frustrated when things dont happen fast enough or Im not seeing any results. I dont have any trouble finishing tasks though. Once I set my mind on something I can work very hard towards a goal. Im kind of lazy in things I dont see any value in though and can procrastinate quite a lot. In terms of my actual goals though Im the opposite of lazy, Id sooner describe myself as insatiable

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

lol TMB

I would say impatience correlates with E and P

maybe a bit with T, since Fs are "supposed" to be patient

not sure on the N/S if there is a correlation

 

[Silvermoon]

So how do I figure out Ne vs Se for sure then, assuming I am a Ti dom? I am in my head a lot thinking about stuff but I dont resonate completely with some of the supposed traits of Ne. I dont seek out information or care about learning things unless its for something Im actually doing. Even in terms of MBTI, the only reason Im interested in it is to learn more about myself in hopes I can improve moving forward. Im not really interested in the personality system in a global context. Furthermore, Im not entirely enthralled with the idea of psychology/philosophy etc. in general since I think its just a bunch of pretentious people in a room arguing about semantics (dont hate me, I know Im a plebeian ) I do like to read about conspiracy theories and paranormal stuff though, even though I dont believe in most of it. Its mostly just the novelty of it though that is stimulating to me. And I like reading about Sci-Fi/Fantasy too. Im drawn to things that are unusual since its stimulating to me but Im not drawn to any theoretical topics that arent practically useful, I find it a waste and a drag, and I dont have much academic interest either except in practical stuff.

 

[Rixus]

Perhaps if you can't figure it out by using the rather abstract functions (since you can end up going round in circles with Ne, Ni, Ti, Si, Se, SXi, TDi, 1.8 CD-TDI...), you could try using a blunter instrument and boil it down to it's simpler form.

Introvert or Extrovert?
Intuitive or Sensory?
Thinker or Feeler?
Judger or Practical?

It doesn't matter if I do this or the function stack, I am always typed as INTP. Even when I once tried different answers to get other types, I still got INTP
I can, however, go into ENTP mode for periods of time in order to accomplish extroverted tasks such as public speaking (such as a Best Man speech at my brother's wedding) or to argue with a salesperson. Public speaking is highly draining, but arguing is less so. An example of "ENTP Mode" was when a pair of Mormon's came to my door. I first attempted to politely decline, until one of them weirdly told me that if I didn't go to his church I would, "go to hell and never see [my] family again!" which irked me enough that I decided his soul needed to be destroyed. I spent the next half hour tearing his beliefs to pieces, until he left with his head staring at the ground. That is only possible, though, if I'm very annoyed.

I also have a work colleague who is quite possibly INFP, and enjoys debating with me a lot. In fact, as soon as we start most people get up and leave. Our boss just slams his door shut and leaves us to it. Debates can go on for hours and make no sense to outsiders. I've also toyed with the idea of being a socially awkward (or possibly psychologically damaged) ENTP, but I don't think that's the case. I unwind and recharge at home away from humans. Then again, I also get a little restless if I haven't debated something in a while. So who knows. Maybe we have some qualities of our neighbouring types, maybe the theory of us having secondary types is accurate.

 

[Silvermoon]

i think im most likely int. p/j im not certain. I relate to many p characteristics like being messy and disorganized , not putting things back in the same place, being absent minded etc. Im not really a carefree person though compared to other people I know. I dont understand how some people can be so lazy about things, even something like your appearance. Although I dont value my appearance greatly over other things, I still treat it like any other goal in my life and put effort into improving it and not looking bad. I think its valuable to look presentable, be punctual etc. so completely ignoring things like that just seems like pure laziness and I would not like to allow myself to be like that. People who I understand less are those who have no interest at all in achieving things or improving themselves. Im constantly trying to improve upon everything in my life so I can be as successful as possible but some people seem to be content with where they are now and have no ambition whatsoever whether its their job, their relationships, their fitness, their personal goals etc. I just cant understand what the ultimate point of your life is if you arent moving forward toward some purpose, goal, battle etc.

 

[Rixus]

Being a perceiver type doesn't mean you have no goals or drive. I am absolutely a p-type. I'm also extremely untidy and disorganised, but I'm never static exactly. I currently have a number of goals and life improving projects in progress; mainly fitness, I'm learning hair styling off from the internet (I'm a single father with 2 girls, so it's to improve my bond with them and their lives as they get to go to school feeling pretty) and computer programming/robotics (hopefully for competition entry, possibly a side carrier thing if I can get mobile games working as well. Plus I'm very rarely not doing anything or just sitting down. I do occasionally seem lazy, but really it's just because I'm too busy over thinking something and didn't get around to what I was intending to do or was in the middle of.

 

[Reluctantly]

Oh, if this is serious and you're very introverted, there wouldn't be strong identification with extroverted modes of behavior. And you said there's a strong identification with Ni, Ti, and Fi? So I'm guessing not much identification with Si? And trouble with Fe types?

Well that's kind of the same as me. Ended up concluding I was INXX and left it at that because it's more true than pigeonholing one type. I don't know if that helps.

 

[Silvermoon]

I mostly Identify with Ni and Ti. Fi too but its not one of my first two functions I dont think. Im pretty sure I use an extroverted function Im just not sure if its Te, Ne, or Se.

 

[TheManBeyond]

show me some Ni nigga, i came here for d Ni
i think the favourite Ni phrase has to be "u know?"

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

show me some Ni nigga, i came here for d Ni
i think the favourite Ni phrase has to be "u know?"

"u know?" is short for "Do you know? Because I certainly do, because I'm Ni."

OP, to know what your extroverted function is you have to identify your extroverted behaviour/cognition. So, look at the way you view the external world - do you look at facts and how things just are, do you look at abstract ideas and possibilities? Or do you focus on judgement and structure?

This paragraph seems to indicate your type:

You are part of something bigger than yourself even if you reject the notion of the after life, just think about it: given enough time hydrogen atoms begin to wonder why they exist and where their existence is headed. Your existence is just one part of a greater system that has existed before you were born and will continue to exist after you die, regardless of how you feel about it, so in a sense nothing really died it was just reformed into new life an new matter.

Can any INTPs or otherwise confirm if this is Ne?

 

[Silvermoon]

show me some Ni nigga, i came here for d Ni
i think the favourite Ni phrase has to be "u know?"

My two most overused phrases are "obviously" and "ya know what I mean?' (and "idiot" ) if thats any indication of my type which its probably not

 

[Shieru]

i'm involved in a project called Cognitive Type, where we're attempting to quantify the cognitive functions using reading of facial cues. (Auburn's the project leader, he outlines things here if you're interested in the basics.)

i can't tell what your type is accurately just from self-description, but if you wanted to send a video, i'd be happy to do a reading for you

that said, from some of what you say, especially what's quoted below:

Spoiler

I do tend to be impatient and want to jump into things. I am very goal/results oriented and get frustrated when things dont happen fast enough or Im not seeing any results. I dont have any trouble finishing tasks though. Once I set my mind on something I can work very hard towards a goal. Im kind of lazy in things I dont see any value in though and can procrastinate quite a lot. In terms of my actual goals though Im the opposite of lazy, Id sooner describe myself as insatiable

I dont seek out information or care about learning things unless its for something Im actually doing. Even in terms of MBTI, the only reason Im interested in it is to learn more about myself in hopes I can improve moving forward. Im not really interested in the personality system in a global context. Furthermore, Im not entirely enthralled with the idea of psychology/philosophy etc. in general since I think its just a bunch of pretentious people in a room arguing about semantics (dont hate me, I know Im a plebeian ) I do like to read about conspiracy theories and paranormal stuff though, even though I dont believe in most of it. Its mostly just the novelty of it though that is stimulating to me. And I like reading about Sci-Fi/Fantasy too. Im drawn to things that are unusual since its stimulating to me but Im not drawn to any theoretical topics that arent practically useful, I find it a waste and a drag, and I dont have much academic interest either except in practical stuff.

I dont understand how some people can be so lazy about things, even something like your appearance. Although I dont value my appearance greatly over other things, I still treat it like any other goal in my life and put effort into improving it and not looking bad. I think its valuable to look presentable, be punctual etc. so completely ignoring things like that just seems like pure laziness and I would not like to allow myself to be like that. People who I understand less are those who have no interest at all in achieving things or improving themselves. Im constantly trying to improve upon everything in my life so I can be as successful as possible but some people seem to be content with where they are now and have no ambition whatsoever whether its their job, their relationships, their fitness, their personal goals etc. I just cant understand what the ultimate point of your life is if you arent moving forward toward some purpose, goal, battle etc.

you sound like you operate with a lot of Te. if i had to make a decision on your type based on what's here, i'd say you're probably TeSi or TeNi (ESTJ or ENTJ).

now, this is in the context of my own paradigm, which isn't based on behaviorism as much as MBTI is. i think that's one of the ways the MBTI profiles go wrong, they describe specific likes, dislikes and complex behaviors as being allotted solely to the functions, when they're in fact as much or more about nurture as they are about nature. you mention you like fantasy and sci-fi, but any type can have an affinity for these things. from what i've seen, there appears to be a very slight leaning of Ne/Si users toward this specific affinity, but i wouldn't say this could be used to determine type.

the way you describe yourself as goal-oriented, impatient, efficient, practical; selective toward what you determine as 'relevant', and disinterested in theoretical topics such as philosophy all describe the attitude Te tends to have. Te is mostly about deducing objective logistics in context in order to make progress toward a goal. it's a judgement function, which means that it delineates between what it deems as relevant and irrelevant to its direction. Te tends to be very no-bullshit, efficient and driven toward its goals, especially when it's leading over Fi. to contrast, Ti is about deducing the theoretical validity of subjective ideas. there doesn't necessarily have to be a goal in mind for Ti other than simply figuring the problem out, nor does the line of thought need to have any practical implications in the outside world. the primary desire is for theoretical consistency with the person's internal framework.

it's very telling how you describe yourself as disinterested in semantics, it seems largely because of the fact that they are subjective in nature. this is very much the way Te tends to see the expression of introverted functions such as Ti - as subjective and therefore irrelevant. topics such as philosophy tend to be of interest to Ti because of its theoretical bent, but it's also because of how it's counterpart, Fe, likes to deduce universal principles of human existence. of course, someone operating with Te/Fi could just as well be interested in philosophy, but from what i've seen there's more of a tendency for this when Fi is leading over Te, since Fi is an ethical function concerned with the human question. by default, Te tends to gravitate more toward practical, objective questions. taking this into consideration, i'd say you likely have a strong preference for your leading function - if it is indeed Te.

 

[Silvermoon]

Interesting. Isnt Te supposed to be about applying systems like rules and schedules though? I seem to be the opposite of that. I rarely write anything down and instead plan everything internally in a timetable in my head. Plus I always thought I was Ti for sure since I tend to reason things through based on my internal reasonings/perceptions instead of relying on external evidence. I always end up arguing with people who present "evidence" in statistics and such when all the while they are missing the entire point that I am making. I argue a lot in general ideas, theories, and analogies and people always seem to miss the point because its an idea rather than something they can see in front of them.


For example: I just had an argument where I was trying to make the point that something cant be called bad just because there is a negative externality associated with it and part of my point was that you cant consistently hold people accountable for externalities since there are an infinite number of them for every action. Then I explained how for every action there is an infinite number of reactions trying to use an analogy of throwing a ball and having all of the air molecules interacting infinitely outwards in space and there being no way to track them. Then at that point the person said I was just being ridiculous since we were talking about people, not air molecules, but I was just trying to make an analogy RIP.

 

[Silvermoon]

I might send a video btw. What would you be looking for though to get a type reading?

 

[Reluctantly]

Interesting. Isnt Te supposed to be about applying systems like rules and schedules though? I seem to be the opposite of that. I rarely write anything down and instead plan everything internally in a timetable in my head. Plus I always thought I was Ti for sure since I tend to reason things through based on my internal reasonings/perceptions instead of relying on external evidence. I always end up arguing with people who present "evidence" in statistics and such when all the while they are missing the entire point that I am making. I argue a lot in general ideas, theories, and analogies and people always seem to miss the point because its an idea rather than something they can see in front of them.

So...this is not necessarily a question to you, but...what's the point of Ti without Te? Like what's the point of logically reasoning the world without endeavoring to use that in some way, even if just for personal gain/goals? Cause Te is...well essentially...applied thinking; it's just introversion, being inward and subjectively focused, envisions the world in a certain logic, rather than dealing with it as it is. But really...without applying logic to some degree, it's rather pointless, isn't it? I just wonder if people here use Te a lot more than they realize, especially in regards to their thinking.

 

[Silvermoon]

Well isnt that the point of Ti though? Reasoning through things so that you can increase your understanding for the future? I wouldnt waste time thinking about something if I didnt determine it to be a worthwhile point of contention.

 

[TheManBeyond]

I might send a video btw. What would you be looking for though to get a type reading?

omg, send the video i'm hyped already but just do it, don't wait until never

 

[Reluctantly]

Well isnt that the point of Ti though? Reasoning through things so that you can increase your understanding for the future? I wouldnt waste time thinking about something if I didnt determine it to be a worthwhile point of contention.

But still, what's the point of understanding then? Understanding without applying that understanding seems kind of empty and devoid of meaning. Isn't real freedom having the knowledge to do the things you want to?

 

[Shieru]

Interesting. Isnt Te supposed to be about applying systems like rules and schedules though?

not necessarily. this is a complex behavior that any type can execute. for example, Fe would be just as or even more adept at contriving and applying rules and schedules for a group of people to live by. but this behavior is even more about context than type. someone lead by Si or Ti could create such a system as well, because in all of us the functions collaborate in order that we might rise to the various demands of life.

Plus I always thought I was Ti for sure since I tend to reason things through based on my internal reasonings/perceptions instead of relying on external evidence. I always end up arguing with people who present "evidence" in statistics and such when all the while they are missing the entire point that I am making. I argue a lot in general ideas, theories, and analogies and people always seem to miss the point because its an idea rather than something they can see in front of them.

this does sound like an introverted disposition, but not necessarily specific to Ti. it could be that Te is secondary for you, and therefore utilized by a dominant Pi function. in this case, the deductive capability of Te would be used to substantiate and expand upon the direction of your worldview.

I might send a video btw. What would you be looking for though to get a type reading?

in order to get a good read on the pattern of your expressions, i'd need at least 1 minute of footage where your face and upper torso are visible. interview format is preferable, where you're engaged with another person, but you can just answer questions on your own as well. we'd be looking for natural expressions where your thought processes are engaged, so it's best if answers are spontaneous.

 

[Shieru]

So...this is not necessarily a question to you, but...what's the point of Ti without Te? Like what's the point of logically reasoning the world without endeavoring to use that in some way, even if just for personal gain/goals? Cause Te is...well essentially...applied thinking; it's just introversion, being inward and subjectively focused, envisions the world in a certain logic, rather than dealing with it as it is. But really...without applying logic to some degree, it's rather pointless, isn't it? I just wonder if people here use Te a lot more than they realize, especially in regards to their thinking.

i think a lot of the time Te and Ti and Te and Fe are confused with one another. Te and Ti are both functions of logos, but because of their orientation to their ethical counterparts, they end up expressing themselves quite differently. i've seen it often where someone articulating dispassionately with Te is confused for a Ti type because 'T' types in general are expected to appear stoic. however, Fe is the extroverted counterpart of Ti, so when a Ti user articulates it usually comes across as warm and emotionally engaging by default. it is the logos functions which make rational deductions, but the application of such deductions can be implemented via either Je function depending on which one a person has. Fe can act out a rational conclusion made by Ti, just as Te can act on an ethical or emotional conclusion made by Fi. we all have both thinking and feeling involved in our judgement and execution, it's only their orientation that's different between the two types of judgement pairings.

 

[Silvermoon]

PM me some questions and I shall respond to them

 

[AmacdaTNPI]

Ive gotten quite good at recognizing type in real and fictional people but for some reason Im still very confused about my own type.

I believe I identify most with introverted thinking and introverted intuition so that would indicate either ISTP or INFJ. Some how I find INFJ unlikely since I seem to be in direct conflict with Fe pretty much always. Somehow I doubt ISTP since I dont really have many of the characteristics of introverted sensation- I tend to be pretty disconnected from reality on a physical level. INTP is the other possibility for Ti dom but I have taken the cognitive function test and like I said I have tested High in Ni and Ti, and actually Fi but faily low in Ne which I dont really relate to anyway since my thoughts are pretty focused down one path as opposed to being tangential. INTJ is I guess a possibility since that would be Ni dominant but I doubt this as well since I dont tend to have great Te skills.

So basically Im just very confused since my functions dont appear to be in any sort of normal stack

I assume its just because Im bad at evaluating myself though so if anyone can help?

depending on how intorverted you are, you might actually be an intp that uses alot of introverted intuition. i have amazing introverted intuition on predicting whats going to happen but i also have great extroverted intuition but im a decently extroverted intp. but throughout the functions, theoritically, intp should have introverted intuition as the third most developed function. but theoretically, if an intp was very introverted their introverted functio might lead a little more ad you might have an intp as, Ti-Ni-Fi-Si especially before they apply themselves to the enviornment but also, every introvert has to go through and extroverted function at sometime and the lead function always determines personality type like protons in elements and if you were to have Ti as a dom then random other functions, you would still be more of an intp than anything else but both you and anime kitty both seem like intps and if not, animekitty is an infp

 

[AmacdaTNPI]

So...this is not necessarily a question to you, but...what's the point of Ti without Te? Like what's the point of logically reasoning the world without endeavoring to use that in some way, even if just for personal gain/goals? Cause Te is...well essentially...applied thinking; it's just introversion, being inward and subjectively focused, envisions the world in a certain logic, rather than dealing with it as it is. But really...without applying logic to some degree, it's rather pointless, isn't it? I just wonder if people here use Te a lot more than they realize, especially in regards to their thinking.

even though this wasnt for me, i believe Ti can matter without Te just that person has become a very independent person that lives for them self and may appear to be very deattached and i believe aristotle would keep his theories and stuff to himself like if it was sacred to him so..

 

[Silvermoon]

depending on how intorverted you are, you might actually be an intp that uses alot of introverted intuition. i have amazing introverted intuition on predicting whats going to happen but i also have great extroverted intuition but im a decently extroverted intp. but throughout the functions, theoritically, intp should have introverted intuition as the third most developed function. but theoretically, if an intp was very introverted their introverted functio might lead a little more ad you might have an intp as, Ti-Ni-Fi-Si especially before they apply themselves to the enviornment but also, every introvert has to go through and extroverted function at sometime and the lead function always determines personality type like protons in elements and if you were to have Ti as a dom then random other functions, you would still be more of an intp than anything else but both you and anime kitty both seem like intps and if not, animekitty is an infp

I definitely apply myself. I have a great drive to accomplish tihngs but I dont really know how much I use Ne. I dont really relate to much of the descriptions. My brain doesnt have multiple ideas at one time and see lots of possibilites, I just focus on what Im thinking about until I understand it then I decide what I should do to get the most profit/least cost and I can start making a plan.

 

[AmacdaTNPI]

I definitely apply myself. I have a great drive to accomplish tihngs but I dont really know how much I use Ne. I dont really relate to much of the descriptions. My brain doesnt have multiple ideas at one time and see lots of possibilites, I just focus on what Im thinking about until I understand it then I decide what I should do to get the most profit/least cost and I can start making a plan.

Actually I think your an istp, honestly I'm too lazy to explain my logic right now but you seem to be an istp with highly developed introverted thinking. I think istps would do better with the fact or physical feeling emitted of thinking. If you feel like you try to confort yourself and physically relax your mood and body when thinking your probably an istp and I've been just recently starting to study them cause they are so close to us and that would probably be a key difference. Intps might let there thinking take over them a little more than istps