Starcraft 2

[IndigoSensor]

Maybe I'll catch more attention with this over here. You INTP's seem to be more into gaming for the most part:

So, in 6.5 hours, Starcraft 2 will be released in my current timezone. It has already been released in some parts of the world, and is currently in the process of being released in other parts (right now, europe).

Consider this a thread for those of us who will very shortly be getting, or already possess the game. It's been 12 years since the original Starcraft has been released. It has been a very long time coming. For those of you who do not have the game or have never heard of it. I highly recommend checking it out. It is one of the most anticipated games of this year.

Also consider this a thread to exclaim your excitement and joy once you have actually began the game. If you talk about the campagin, use spoiler tags! Don't wanna ruin it for anyone

Oh, and I must say this: "Hell, It's about time!"

 

[ApostateAbe]

Don't buy the game. I am not kidding. You are an intelligent person who can be of considerable value to the world, and games such as this one are designed especially to cause you to become addicted, which takes your time and talents away from you improving the world.

 

[Thoughtful]

Pfft. Screw improving the world. What has it ever done for us? The world can go hang itself for all I care, I'm going to buy SC2.

 

[ApostateAbe]

Pfft. Screw improving the world. What has it ever done for us? The world can go hang itself for all I care, I'm going to buy SC2.

OK, never mind.

 

[Oblivious]

Will have this game as soon as it is out.

YouTube- Touhoucraft

 

[jachian]

Will have this game as soon as it is out.

YouTube- Touhoucraft

Interesting............

 

[Cognisant]

YouTube- Starcraft 2 - Official Cinematic Trailer [High Quality]

Pretty.

 

[Oblivious]

Been playing this. It's impossible that a game can contain such massive amounts of reality warping awesome.

Anyway, has anyone tried the challenges yet? I've gotten gold ratings for all but the base management challenge, that one's a real bitch. Anyone managed to get gold for that one?

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

Anyone playing in sea?

 

[del]

I'm so jealous of you guys. I'm in the middle of moving and my gaming computer is locked up, and not being able to play is absolutely agonizing. I'm just working and not going to school at the moment too, so I have a rare opportunity to waste my time on things like this.

No fair!

 

[ckm]

While I was flicking in and out of WoW addiction, during a fallow period I would eventually stumble upon a link to the trailer, fall in love again, buy a 30-day gamecard or something and swiftly remember that the only thing I enjoyed about it was the trailer.

I expect it would be a similar situation here.

 

[CodeOmega0]

Stupid goal-oriented minds suck sometimes.
When the most I'm thinking about is 'win' I often forget to do the simplest things. AKA mine vespene gas. ... Yeah. That's a problem.

 

[Thoughtful]

Stupid goal-oriented minds suck sometimes.
When the most I'm thinking about is 'win' I often forget to do the simplest things. AKA mine vespene gas. ... Yeah. That's a problem.

And here I thought I was the only one with that problem. figured out a way to correct it yet?

 

[IndigoSensor]

And here I thought I was the only one with that problem. figured out a way to correct it yet?

I'd imagine if you make that mistake enough you would remember it and not do it anymore.

 

[fullerene]

I've gotta start playing this online a bit soon. I finished the campaign a few days ago (only on normal tho... *shakes fist*. Hard got too hard for me about 2/3 of the way through), and I felt like I learned absolutely nothing about how multiplayer would work. I'm not sure they ever made you build a base from the ground up, in any mission... which, to be fair, was a very good idea, because it left them with creative campaign ideas, rather than the ritual "go kill the other base" over and over again that you usually get in RTS games.

Spoiler

Did anyone else feel like the story didn't "go" anywhere? I'd swear you were just trying to get money for about 17 of the 26 missions. Since we aleady knew, if you played the secret mission in the first one, that there were zerg/protoss hybrids being made, I could sum up the plot in a few, short points.

1. The Xel'naga are returning.
2. The overmind was forced to mindlessly destroy things.
3. Kerrigan is (questionably) human again, which is good because she's the key to beating the Xel'naga.
4. Raynor likes her enough that he killed his lifelong friend to keep her alive.

really? that's it? And two of those happened in the final 30 second cinematic. It felt.... shallow. That said, the gameplay is fantastic and I like the AI on units a lot more (SCVs auto-repairing, units push other units out of the way when they're moving though them, and lots of other nice little features like that), so I'm hoping that the multiplayer is long-lasting and awesome. I just haven't gotten around to playing it at all yet.

 

[IndigoSensor]

You said EXACTLY my thoughts on the story Fullerene. I was actually quite pissed off with the ending.

 

[onthewindowstand]

My name in Starcraft 2 is kerrigansex, and i made it before beating the campaign. LOL

 

[James Black]

Stupid goal-oriented minds suck sometimes.
When the most I'm thinking about is 'win' I often forget to do the simplest things. AKA mine vespene gas. ... Yeah. That's a problem.

That tends to be half my problem.
Another part of my problem is that campaign-wise, I enjoyed the game. Story, and all that. But the online play? No thank you: it involved way too much "memorization," which, sure, I get that can be a key part of "strategy," (and given Chess' many opening moves I'd be a fool to deny the two words have some small ties) but I don't like memorizing things. I sucked at it in school*, and I'm sure as hell not going to waste time memorizing a game that I'm going to have to sit down on my computer for 1 hour straight without pause (I'm fidgety) just to lose (at which point my intelligence [despite most likely being AT LEAST 98th percentile... I need to test that, but, meh, IQ test...shI.Q. shcmest] would be insulted by somebody who happens to be better at a game than I am: a true measure of intelligence, I assure you...) and then have gameplay changed by expansion packs in a year or race nerfs a week down the line.

*This has bothered me for a long time, to be honest. I can grasp a concept almost immediately, but I don't study. I don't put effort in: I'm trying to change that. However, despite easily grasping a concept and doing well in classes/test, a few months down the line, with no exposure to said subject, I have no recollection of it. I have what I consider above average understanding, but I conceit to having almost no retention.

 

[Causeless]

@James: Perhaps we should start an INTP league then.

 

[Joohanh]

Wow, I'm way too hyperactive for this game, at least for now.

Tutorials? Skip!
Epic cutscenes with redneck flavor? Skip!
A chance to upgrade armory? Skip!
Mission and tactics briefing? Skip!

Build extensions to barracks for better troops? A shitload of marines will do just fine!
Not enough vespene? Guess I have no use for medics then!
Build bunkers to protect base? Hell, I've got SCV's.

Fucking Zerg, how the hell could they beat my 150-unit army of marines? Quit game!

 

[MifuneKinski]

Yes! If Anyone wants to play I'm

MifuneKinski
278

Feel free to add me

 

[Hadoblado]

I am officially resurrecting and commandeering this thread. I am looking for people to play with (possibly in a clan) at any level. I'm plat 1v1 and diamond everything else, and I play all races but random on both the SEA and NA servers. I like playing on skype if you have it (if not, get it!), but I'm not too phased.

SEA: FlacidSiC 411
NA: Mox 414

Come play with me INTP's!

PS. this thread is so old I'll assume all the posters before me are inactive, repost if you're not

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

Anyone want to help me get better at the game?

 

[Hadoblado]

I can help you if you want. We are roughly equal (you're plat right?), but my understanding far exceeds my skill level. The last guy I helped is now in grandmasters, though that is probably more his insane natural skill (came into the game with 130apm).
I follow starcraft religiously, so I'm pretty knowledgeable with the builds and shit too (though not the timing specifics, which is a big weakness in my game).
What race do you play?

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

Was once plat 5 months ago. I got ranked down to silver. I play zerg. I have trouble dealing with the 4 gate sentry push and terran mmm. Strategies that once worked no longer do. I can't deal with void ray rushes and mass void ray.

pseudomonium 559

 

[Hadoblado]

Okay, I'll add you and we'll see what we can do.

Quick food for thought:

4gate sentry push: roaches with burrow rape all 4 gates if you can get them out in time. Ensure that you actively scout their base, and if they are saving chrono nrg then they are most likely 4gating. Around the 5:00 minute mark scout around your base in all the proxy spots, this can slow down their push a lot and give you time for your spines to complete. 4gate is good at all levels of skill, so don't get too frustrated if you lose to it.

Terran MMM: infestors are amazing vs mmm, fungal pwns the shit out of them. Aim to get infestors with a mix of ling/bane/roach. If they are abusing drops ensure you have a good creep and overlord spread for spotting.

Voidrays: scout opponent actively, sac an overlord at (I'm guessing here) around 4:30 - 5:30 to make sure of their build. If you notice a distinct lack of gates or tech then you are being proxied and begin making extra queens immediately. Get a spore at each base if you can't get enough queens on time. If you see two stargates, or a lot of air units, then you should get hydras AND a spire for corrupters if you need them. If you see only one stargate or a robo, they are likely trying to force you into hydras so they can spring colossus on you, roach corrupter works well in this situation.

Well... that was more than I intended to write... oh well w/e. I'll chat you if I see you online, or we could organise a time (I have a lot of that now) if you so desire. If you're interested in some SC education, Day9 is absolutely fucking amazing, though you may find him slightly annoying (I'm not sure what you like).

 

[Latro]

Corruptors are not really necessary against voids. Hydras beating of voids is pretty much the hardest counter in the entire game. It's kinda obscene.

 

[del]

I know I posted in this thread back in August lamenting that I couldn't get this game because I was moving at the time... I FINALLY got it but haven't really gotten a chance to play it.

Like Hado, I watch a bunch of casters/day 9 pretty religiously (and have for several months), so I'm ahead on some of the theory, but haven't had much time to put into mechanics. I played BW ages ago I should catch on sorta quick.

I'm low gold (no idea how or what that means) with seven wins. I play Zerg. I would like people to just practice with and get some pointers from, as I don't seem to learn that much laddering.

NA brennan 357

 

[Hadoblado]

I find it really useful to get the spire for the just in case. Protoss will almost always try and force you into hydra to counter their air, then switch to colossus and bone the living shit out of you. Corruptors are not as good vs VR, but they are a lot more mobile and completely hard counter the tech units of the protoss death ball.
Note: top level zergs often use neither hydras or corruptors, they just go mass queen into roaches and stomp the protoss while taking it from the VR. I don't know the timings of it, and I don't think I care to try, but bending to the protoss' build puts you at the disadvantage as zerg.

I'll add you when I'm next on del, I can help a little with mechanics, or point you in the right direction for someone who can. Gold is roughly at the sixtieth percentile I think, but you haven't played many games so you might be better or worse than that.

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

I found out why I was getting my ass handed to me. In the custom game sections I have been playing nothing but master league and grand master league players.

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I have also found that I can't produce as fast the opponents. I am always on 2000 minears 1000 gas and 3 to 4 hatches a still can't produce fast enough.

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The sentries force field prevent the roaches and lings from engaging. In addition, they bifurcate my army. It's horrible to watch.

 

[Hadoblado]

For your ego: I googled bifurcate, and I'll probably never remember it again.

How many of those hatch are auxiliary? If you are on 3-4 bases getting hive tech will cure all your spending problems in the form of ultras, broodlords and additional upgrades. Otherwise you'll probably need to work on your injects. Oh and make sure you've got a roach warren just so you can spend money faster than if you go for lings. I actually have the same issue at times, but usually it's because I'm already winning and I'm focusing too much on crippling the opponent.

If you have burrow and they don't have detection then you don't have to sit idly by while your army gets hacked to pieces thanks to forcefields. It then transitions further against ff if you get roach burrow move, which will allow you to go under the force fields and get back up in their grill. Other than that you should put an emphasis in your play on getting 2-3 way surrounds, as that makes force fielding a lot less effective, and is just a good thing to do in general.

 

[fullerene]

I play a lot still, and love the game. I'm also about the same skill as you guys (plat 1s and 2s, diamond 3s and 4s). I can play random on about a gold level, and I do it a lot playing with a bunch of silveriish friends (latro being one of those), but I play zerg in my non-arranged-team and serious-arranged-team (usually just ones with platinum & up partners) team games, ie, when I want to win.

I'm not actually sure what my char code is, though. I'll post it a bit later and/or add the rest of you and message you there.


My biggest problem (if any of you know how to solve it) as zerg is spending minerals after the first 10 minutes or so. I often hit the 15ish minute mark and find that I have like 2k minerals, 100 gas, and either 1. not enough larva to produce zerglings, or 2. have decided that zerglings are useless because they have a ton of blue flame hellions or something like that.

Any ideas on how to fix that?

 

[Hadoblado]

There are many ways to fix this, though admittedly I am often too apm stressed to do them myself. Choose one that suits the situation:

- give minerals to an ally, mass marine from mass rax is a pure mineral investment and can be a very dangerous force. Zealots from warpgates are the same.
- Expand to locations with gas. This only spends your minerals and gets you the gas you so desperately need.
- Mass queen, very good vs air users and can be devastating if you plan on ultra/brood tech.
- place spines/spores at all of your bases and redrone up. Basically just makes you harder to kill (do this if you're getting harassed a lot).
- make auxiliary hatches with queens and shit out tons of lings. Lings are a great compliment to any ground army and can often win the games just in counter attacks and harassment.
- Spend less time droning at the start of the game. Past a certain point extra drones only give extra minerals until you manage to secure more geysers. By not making so many drones you will increase your ability to be aggressive in the early game, and will provide you and your allies valuable map control, which will aid you in your quest for gas.

There may be more, but these are all I can think of right now. How to spend all your minerals is one of the biggest difficulties encountered by zerg macro style players, so you're certainly not the only one with this problem.

 

[fullerene]

Those are good suggestions. As I was typing out my question, actually, I started to think "you know... I probably could take a much faster third and then stick guys in the gas immediately, and that would help quite a bit." I think the answer I like best is mass queens, though. I usually have very good creep spread (especially in 1v1, less so in team games. I'm not really sure why), so that might be a very good investment. I've also been watching some spanishiwa recently, and the queen/nydus/ultra/brood lord combination looks like a lot of fun.

One other problem I tend to have is getting stuck on lair tech for way too long. When I start a game, my mind is always gearing up for either roach/hydra, muta/ling, or infestor/whatever-I-have-money-for (seriously, infestors are ridiculously awesome). I have a zergling/infestor/heavy upgrade build which I like for team games (esp against t/t opponents) where my allies can shoot air if need be, and when I do that it's pretty obvious when to go get my hive (as soon as it's needed to continue with the 3/3 upgrades), but in the other builds I have a lot of trouble finding a time to squeeze it in.

This is more true because of the time it takes before it starts being useful. So much other stuff in zerg can be decided on the spot ("shit, I need zerglings. 5zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz", and you have an army in no time. "ooh, their front door looks a bit vulnerable", and within 15 seconds you can have zerglings there trying to pick it apart.), but hives take significant time before they're useful. This is especially true in going roach/hydra or ling/muta, because it requires the pit first. So from the time you decide to make use of hives, you have to go infest pit, hive, and then either ultra/greater spire, and then actually building your brood lords or ultras. Both of those paths require 5:45 from the moment you lay down your infestation pit until you actually get a usable hive unit out of, and 5:45 is a fucking long time in starcraft. What do you look for to predict how the game will go almost 6 minutes in advance well enough to make the decision to start investing in the high-tech stuff?

 

[Hadoblado]

I used to have the same problem. I remedied it by having hive tech as my win condition, and using infestors in game to remove one of the unnecessary steps. If I can afford to I will start upgrading hive as soon as I start my +2/+2 ups, which will allow me to start my crackling tech asap, and will make broodlords and ultras exponentially better. Another big sign I look for is if my opponent is looking weak to corrupter. If I spawn enough corrupters they will almost certainly discontinue the tech I'm countering (usually switching from Coli to immortal), in which case I have a bunch of useless anti-air taking up my pop. If you start hive as you get corrupters you will be able to turn them into the game breaking broodlords once they've started reacting to your tech. If you survive til broodlords and you've got clear skies (you just cleared them with your corrupter mass), you will win almost certainly.

So in short, I have 3 cues for hive tech:
- I am infestor heavy in which case the cost for hive is reduced.
- I am researching +2/+2.
- My opponent is using tech that I intend to counter with corrupters.

IMO if none of these conditions are met then hive tech is simply not worth it. Cues like this allow me to use more of my somewhat limited brainpower on what is actually happening in the game, and less on what my tech path etc should be.

Also, the creep spread thing is a lot less important in team games. You probably subconsciously have noticed that it pisses nonzergs off when they can't build their building or when you inadvertently assist a zerg opponent in harassing them. It's also a lot less important in team games where all the finer points of a high macro zerg defense are thrown out the window because you have allies with non-zerg units which can just win on the defense because they are not zerg (ever noticed that? zerg units are so incredibly inefficient).

 

[lord methous]

I play the game still from time to time but i never got that too into it as i always got my ass kicked. I do think that would be great if someone could help me play Zerg if you don't mind helping someone who is a bit more of a noob. I am not that bad but could use some improvement. Need to destroy the terran as they where going to be space marines and i have it out for the space marines.

 

[Hadoblado]

I can help you no prob, what's your ID?

 

[Awaken]

Are you on the NA server Hado? I want to play you. I like playing against zerg, but my friends arent good enough for it to be a challenge.

 

[Hadoblado]

Yeah I play NA when SEA is dead.

Mox ID:414

 

[gwydion85]

I'd love to play SC2 multiplayer, I've just never gotten around to it, because I have no one to play with. Anyone still active?

 

[Awaken]

Me and Hado play.

 

[The Gopher]

I play as of 1 month ago. Protoss main but I like playing zerg. Only silver SEA.

 

[blarg]

Starcraft is absolutely amazing. I play at a Platinum level, but I threw away my placement matches (disconnected 2 of them) so I'm stuck in Silver and winning almost every game. Protoss main, Terran for fun or 2v2, and horrible at Zerg (fun only).

 

[The Gopher]

Yeah zerg is my fun race and whenever I end up terrain I go 6 rax all in. Cause that's easier than a four gate.

 

[Hadoblado]

To people playing on SEA: come over to NA, there are more people and less lag. The majority of SEA has moved already, hence why it takes you so long to find a game. Having two accounts is great as well, because you can use one to experiment with your off races without losing your place on the ladder.

Awaken, Gwydion85 and I are already playing over there if you lack someone to play with.

 

[Hadoblado]

Speaking of 6Rax, I just taught Gwydian how to do it and we managed to take an epic game from Awaken and another friend (both plat). wtf marines ftw??

 

[Awaken]

You forgot to mention I went Terran....lol Yea we need more people playing on the NA servers so we we can make more in house games. Getting 6 pooled or marine scv all-inned on ladder gets old.


edit: any IT guys in here? I am about 5 seconds away from throwing my macbook pro out the window. The stupid thing gets stuck on startup. Ive tried everything to fix it. The only thing left to do is take it to those nerds at the apple store, but I dont really want to give them the satisfaction yet.

 

[Hadoblado]

You may have played your off-race, but he doesn't even have an on-race yet! You may want to look for mac help elsewhere (try the 3rd circle of hell), this is not the most relevant thread...

 

[kevin56]

Don't buy the game. I am not kidding. You are an intelligent person who can be of considerable value to the world, and games such as this one are designed especially to cause you to become addicted, which takes your time and talents away from you improving the world.

Are you crazy man?
Why do you think so?