Socionics Test

[Chad]

So, I am currently out of work so I have much more time on my hands.

My newest research protect is socionics.

Here is any interesting test.

Here is the test

I took the test twice the fist time I got ILE with 94% chance of ILI

The second time I got ILI with 94% chance of ILE

ILE = ENTp

ILI = INTp

This really isn't helping my with my problem but it was an interesting test.

 

[Ink]

I find you answer the questions biased if you already know of the MBTI and the functions, imo you should just read up on the profiles (the in depth function ones) and figure it out that way. I'm LII

 

[Hadoblado]

Those questions are all double barreled, and from the ones I bothered reading, falsely presented as dichotomies. There may be some reasoning for this that I'm unaware of, but it looks bad at a superficial glance.

Also, I haven't seen the results section, but if you get one result, but there is a 94% chance you are something else, you would have received the second option. You are either communicating or interpreting your results incorrectly (or I'm misinterpreting you).

 

[Chad]

I find you answer the questions biased if you already know of the MBTI and the functions, imo you should just read up on the profiles (the in depth function ones) and figure it out that way. I'm LII

I didn't know the function until I got to the last page. Today is the fist time I even looked into Socionics so it was an interesting different take for me.

The fist time I got ILE and found out that it was related to ENTp.

I retook the test because I didn't know if I answered all the question because the questions are answered by a slide bar and if you don't move the bar it assumes that you a neutral on the question.

Both test were quite close both assumed I was either ILI or ILE and had the opposite option as a very close second possibility. Therefore I am sure that my results were not influenced by my own bias as much as you think.

That not to say it is completely unaffected by my bias its still a first person questionnaire and I answer the question how I believe myself to be which may or may not be exactly who I am.

I found it interesting that even socionics see me more as XNTp "or ILX" than "ILI" INTp or "ILE" ENTp.

What is the MBTI correspondence to LII?

 

[Ink]

LII stands for Logical Intuitive Introvert. The first letter stands for the dominant fucntion, the second for the auxilliary function and the last is whether you are an extrovert or introvert, so LII is the MBTI INTP correspondent.

 

[Chad]

Those questions are all double barreled, and from the ones I bothered reading, falsely presented as dichotomies. There may be some reasoning for this that I'm unaware of, but it looks bad at a superficial glance.

Also, I haven't seen the results section, but if you get one result, but there is a 94% chance you are something else, you would have received the second option. You are either communicating or interpreting your results incorrectly (or I'm misinterpreting you).

The result has a conclusion. One of the 16 Socionics test fallow by 4 other options that are the next likely. I did get 94% on this test for the other option either ILI when I tested ILE or ILE when I tested ILI.

Basically mean after taking the test twice it is just as likely that I am ILI as I am ILE.

They tell you your percentage compared to the most likely result so you can research those as well as the main result.

Like Ink has said I should take these results and research them in the socionic system of typology. I plan to do this however, this is my introduction to the subject so I thought taking the test first would be fun.

I was hoping the test to revile a different conclusion then all of the MBTI research I have done. So far it has only agreed with my MBTI research.

However, this is also interesting to look deep into.

I was presented the test because I haven't seen one yet.

I will be doing my research this was just a simple introduction form me and anyone else that might find it interesting.

 

[Chad]

LII stands for Logical Intuitive Introvert. The first letter stands for the dominant fucntion, the second for the auxilliary function and the last is whether you are an extrovert or introvert, so LII is the MBTI INTP correspondent.

Interesting so you are saying that the test is actually saying that I am an MBTI INTJ or ENTP

I am assuming that ENTP and ENTp are the same since Introverted, Logical, Extrovert is actually Ne, Ti, Si, Fe which would be the same.

Well that is different.

Thanks to the insight I might have to do more research on these.

 

[Brontosaurie]

ILE/ENTp is Ne, Ti, Se, Fi

because socionics is a retarded jung interpretation which doesn't take functional-directional balance into account

move on please

 

[Ink]

because socionics is a retarded jung interpretation which doesn't take functional-directional balance into account

elaborate?

 

[Brontosaurie]

elaborate?

i think it's reasonable to suppose that a functional opposite is also a directional opposite, in order to compensate so that you can both judge and perceive both externally and internally. why would a person adopt a completely introverted judgement and a completely extraverted perception, or vice versa, as in socionics? it makes feeble sense from an adjustment point of view. also it attenuates the motives for theoretically distinguishing between the modes of perception and between the modes of judgement. in essence, socionics makes S, N, F and T redundant without acknowledging this.

also the MBTI functional stack arrangement is more congruent with my observations of real people. that's not so important though, as said observations may be MBTI biased.

 

[Ink]

aren't socionics saying you use all 8 functions in different ways and not just 4 though? I don't fully agree with socionics (not MBTI either) but I still think they have some valuable insights

 

[Chad]

aren't socionics saying you use all 8 functions in different ways and not just 4 though? I don't fully agree with socionics (not MBTI either) but I still think they have some valuable insights

The website in the link show all 8 functions for every type.

 

[Brontosaurie]

aren't socionics saying you use all 8 functions in different ways and not just 4 though? I don't fully agree with socionics (not MBTI either) but I still think they have some valuable insights

yeah they are. that's another problem to me. there are four functions (which really only crudely correspond to a variety of mental phenomena) and two directions. Ti shouldn't indicate a specific function but simply a thinking that to some degree prospers in introversion as contrasted to extraversion.

the four last functions ought to be weak, and the question remains: why would a person have both his supposed judgmental faculties (and perceptive, respectively) similarly directed in his most prominent psychological make-up?

socionics contains way too many far-fetched assumptions per rigorous line of reasoning. i get the feeling the "researchers" themselves are a bunch of socially inept neurotic morons trying to justify themselves by "analyzing" and deconstructing human behavior using a strict yet arbitrary model which grants their self-flattery a false sense of authority. of course this is true of MBTI as well and perhaps of anything, but the esoteric symbolism of socionics takes it one step further imo.

 

[Alisha45]

Thanks for sharing.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

LII, alternatively 86% ILI here.

 

[Alisha45]

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[nanook]

socionics and mbti functions are identical. (click on this link for reference to what i say below)

>the four last functions ought to be weak

this is just nonsense mbti talk that can not be projected onto a piece of paper that contains socionics theory. in socionics nobody is using the concept of "123 strong, weaker, weakest" or words "last function" or "series of function", because they know that a series of numbers only exists on paper, not in reality. and the order in which functions are mentioned in an article and how they are numbered is entirely irrelevant. what is relevant is their job.

first they list the ego block, the block of conscious attitudes, which has the dominant and the inferior function. i want to be clever (Ti) and i want to be free (Ne) could be the battle cry of LII ego.

then they list the super ego block, which is not a conscious personal attitude. as the word super ego already implies. it's about things that are perceived as given reality without ever being questioned. it's what mbti with it's 4 functions skips entirely because mbti is concerned only with what people will voice consciously or intentionally. but socionics is not designed to create superficial illusions like a mircosoft GUI. it reads more like a command line manual.

so then they list the resonance or shadow block, it's called super-ID, which lists the inferior function (the 5, or shadow function as carl jung calls it) and the tertiary function (the 6, which is the shadow of the auxiliary function). they list the inferior first, because resonance is as strong as what it is in resonance with, it's as important as the dominant function. they list the tertiary later, because it's resonating only with the less important attitude, the auxiliary attitude.

this is perfectly elegant. and identical to mbti.

now about socionics tests, i don't know a lot about how they work, but socionics is primarily a school of thought not a test.

 

[nanook]

for example this is the description of what mbti would call demonic Fi, that is Fi in the super-ego block of LII/INTP.


"But he tends to overdo the conventions themselves, as opposed to the relationships they are supposed to establish, and so ends up stepping on other people's toes."

In other words, he does not appear to know what he is doing with his displays of personal attitude from an Fi perspective. They are rigid and dishonest. This is incompetent Fi, you see. It reads differently from how they describe a case of dominant Fi.

So they do acknowledge, that it is not a "strong" function, like it's not what mbti noobs would think of as the "third best" function. It's a function that is full of problems. In fact it contributes to the problems that inferior Fe produces, because it injects itself like a rigid shadow that can not be discussed.

It also says: "When in a heated argument, an LII can alienate others by his natural tendency to hold and defend strong opinions"

This is again a problem that results from the process of personal values and comfort needs being rather unconscious and thus rigid, not up for debate. It's also why these types (INTP LII and ENTP ILE) like to project so much bullshit onto Fi users, which isn't actually true for conscious Fi.