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It would be nice if I could work overnight doing something I like. I'm much more creative and focused at night. My best art projects were made while burning the midnight oil.
 

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These aren't INTP traits. Even a cursory examination of sociobiology (and/or evolutionary psychology) reveals that at various stages of life, the human metabolism is such that the "normal" sleep/wake cycle doesn't work for some folks (most especially teens). This has everything to do with hormonal changes and the biological imperative of reproductive fitness.

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I want to be somewhere else, but I will be up working tonight.
 

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I have tweaked my sleep schedule so I will get up naturally at around 3 in the mourning. I end up going to bed earlier, but because I am used to it I am tired as if it was 4 in the mourning.
 

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Over the Christmas holidays I've been staying up till at least 3 every night, the latest being 6...

And now college starts again tomorrow (or should I say in 7 hours), and I still have coursework and homework to do...

I should be alright though, I can usually make it through a college day on 3 or 4 hours sleep. It doesnt help that I've got a full timetable on Mondays, but I'll just have a nap when I get back.
 

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I also love the night. It's the only time my parents won't bug me. I can relax and play my iPod, or try to write something on the piano. That's exactly what i did last night xD
 

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Someone said warped sleep routines is not an INTP trait. I claim that person is only half right. I do believe INTPs are better suited for deviating sleep routines. I would go into detail about my reasons for thinking this but I'm kinda tired so I'll leave that to someone else.
 

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I notice that I tend to get up early if I think I have something pressing to do in the morning I get up no matter what time I go to bed, I'll get up earlyvand be totally tired for the rest of the day if I stayed up (which I normally do).
 
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I have not been sleeping very well for the past few weeks so as a result my posts/ general outlook on life have been very negative, even more than usual for me. I have lost a lot of friends over the past year because I just keep accumulating more and more negativity and the lack of friends to hang out with more than once a month can only make this problem worse. I'm hoping that when college starts up again for me in 2 weeks I can meet some new friends and be somewhat busy but in the meantime that does nothing for me today/at the present moment. Even nicer still would be a nice female that would be kind enough to let me take out a bit of sexual frustration but this is an undesirable prospect as I must come off as quite intimidating and unstable. I haven't been able to live on my own in years. It doesn't help that I haven't been able to get a job for months. I resorted to trying nyquil today for the first time and I must say I don't like it. I feel way more negative now and I only got an hour of sleep from it. I'm sure this post accurately reflects that. At least it helped clear the congestion in the left side of my nose.:) I try to get physical exercise sometimes but its hard for me to want to go outside in 80 degree+ and high humidity. The only exercise I like to do is walking or running so I guess its my fault for being so closed minded about this. I spend so much of my effort trying to not project myself to the outside world as a negative person but it always backfires and I get depressed or pissed off and doing just that anyways. It doesn't help that it seems like alcohol is at the core of 90% of social interactions for people in their mid-20s. I find myself hating people more and more everyday. I don't know if its because deep down I just hate myself or if its just a bunch of bad past experiences combined with my bleak outlook on the world, lack of an outlet for me, and my extremely rare personality type. I feel like a lost cause and I hate not being able to overcome my extreme introvertedness anymore. I used to be better at it before I had too many bad experiences with people/ negative treatment by people. It seems like people are always looking down at me for being a pot-smoker. Its like everything that used to get me through life without hating people have been slipping away one by one. First it was video games. Then my ability to work a steady job. then my friends. Now pot seems to be slipping away from me. If I wasn't going back to college again I would be completely hopeless and suicidal right now. I am also glad I found the forums here. thank god/whatever deity/energy force for that.

edit: yay!!! the nyquil is wearing off, negativity wearing off, almost experiencing post regret but I can't delete a half page rant that took me so long to come up with!:)
 

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Basically, sleep is the bane of my existence. I'm the only person I know who finds it equally difficult to fall asleep and wake up. My problem is simply that I just don't want the day to end. I finally manage to feel some sort of a groove late at night and I just want to hold on to it. I know that once I sleep and wake up I'll feel like shit again and all my progress will feel like it's kind of started over. I'll have to spend many more hours just trying to get back what I had the previous night. It's almost like everyday ends in its own little death and I'm like a newborn every morning, just without all that annoying crying.

Of course, I've tried the whole not sleeping thing, which went fine until around 2PM the next day when I started hearing voices and nearly being unable to stand. And one time after about 48 hrs. without sleep I became terrified of what would happen if I couldn't sleep that night. I still don't know how I managed to, lol. Good times...
 

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I have not been sleeping very well for the past few weeks so as a result my posts/ general outlook on life have been very negative, even more than usual for me. I have lost a lot of friends over the past year because I just keep accumulating more and more negativity and the lack of friends to hang out with more than once a month can only make this problem worse.

I can relate to the friend dropping. To be honest, I get bored with most people after a period of time and most people are tiring to me. This is something that a lot of INTPs run into. You generally aren't going to find a friend that fits all your eccentric interests, so all you can do is get to know yourself and what YOU want, and then find friends that have some of your interests. Then learn to not be judgmental of these friends when they aren't into EVERYTHING that you are. Just take them for who they are, and enjoy what you can enjoy together with them. This way, at least you can get some social interaction when you do feel lonely. Being successful socially requires some compromise and lack of judgement that many perfectionist INTPs may not come to realize in life until much later than most people. Basically, we have to learn to appreciate the little things about others in our social situations.

I'm hoping that when college starts up again for me in 2 weeks I can meet some new friends and be somewhat busy but in the meantime that does nothing for me today/at the present moment.
The best thing you can do is to not make it a requirement to have others around to satisfy yourself. If you can come up with hobbies that satisfy you that are interesting to you, you will attract others who are interested in these things. Many people are closed minded, so you've got to ignore their negative judgments regarding your activities, and seek out others who have a positive viewpoint on what you are in to.

Even nicer still would be a nice female that would be kind enough to let me take out a bit of sexual frustration but this is an undesirable prospect as I must come off as quite intimidating and unstable. I haven't been able to live on my own in years. It doesn't help that I haven't been able to get a job for months.
It's better to get your life straight first, get yourself to be truly independent, before worrying about females. To find a healthy relationship, you're going to have to get yourself to be healthy. A woman isn't going to do it for you. You've got to get your act together, and then you will attract women who have their act together.

I try to get physical exercise sometimes but its hard for me to want to go outside in 80 degree+ and high humidity. The only exercise I like to do is walking or running so I guess its my fault for being so closed minded about this.
There are a lot of exercises you can do indoors. Seek those out. That's what I do.

I spend so much of my effort trying to not project myself to the outside world as a negative person but it always backfires and I get depressed or pissed off and doing just that anyways.
If you over-think things or take too much effort focusing on this kind of thing, it will generally backfire, as it creates a kind of tunnel vision and too many thoughts in your head. The best you can do it work on developing confidence in yourself that isn't based on others' perceptions of you.

It doesn't help that it seems like alcohol is at the core of 90% of social interactions for people in their mid-20s.
All you can do is seek out the 10% who aren't. Wouldn't you say that those 90% aren't worth your time, anyway?

I find myself hating people more and more everyday. I don't know if its because deep down I just hate myself or if its just a bunch of bad past experiences combined with my bleak outlook on the world, lack of an outlet for me, and my extremely rare personality type.
It isn't other people's fault, as your own life isn't under their control. You control your life, and it is up to you to make the modifications in yourself if you want to be successful with them. For me, I don't want to be successful with most of them. The more I get to know myself, the more I know the kind of people who I do want to be successful with, and I try to make self-improvements in myself to better relate with those types of people.

I feel like a lost cause and I hate not being able to overcome my extreme introvertedness anymore.
Introvertedness isn't by itself a bad thing. You have to learn to accept that you find yourself more at ease by yourself most of them time. But even introverts need some social interaction sometime, and for that, all you can do is work on improving your social skills for the situations that require it. Being negative isn't going to get you anywhere socially.

I used to be better at it before I had too many bad experiences with people/ negative treatment by people.
That was individual people. Don't let that sour your perception of all people. Most people don't care one way or the other about you. If you treat them well, and they aren't assholes, they'll treat you well right back.

It seems like people are always looking down at me for being a pot-smoker.
They can go fuck themselves.


Its like everything that used to get me through life without hating people have been slipping away one by one. First it was video games.
Can you elaborate?

Then my ability to work a steady job.
This is definitely an issue. You have to come up with a way to support yourself. I am in a similar situation right now, where I have a sleep disorder and can't commit to early hours, and only have a 10 hour a week job. So, I understand that it can be really tough, but you have to come up with a creative way to beat this.

then my friends.
There are too many people in this world to get caught up on a few people who you don't click with anymore. The best thing you can do is just seek out new friends.

Now pot seems to be slipping away from me. If I wasn't going back to college again I would be completely hopeless and suicidal right now. I am also glad I found the forums here. thank god/whatever deity/energy force for that.
These forums are great, and I hope you get positive results from reading what has been said on here. There's a lot of good stuff.
 

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I have a tendency to have zero attention span to the time, whether in the span of years or minutes or hours. The last 4 years of my life, don't really feel like they've gone by, I still feel like I'm fresh out of high school. I never really feel like I leave any moment in time really... but I do forget them easily.

That said, I have a horrendous sleeping pattern, but I have no trouble waking up usually. Some friends I used to hang out with thought I was crazy because I'd go to sleep around 4 a.m. after getting wasted with them, and I'd wake up at 8, drink about 5-6 glasses of water and have no hang over :P. I rarely drink though, that was a short jaunt with them.

Normally, I end up loosing track of time, or thinking I have more time than I do, and then it's all of a sudden 4 a.m. and I realize I should really seriously get to bed this time, even though I thought that 4 times previous at least. I wouldn't really say I have troubles falling asleep, about a half hour to an hour of lying there thinking until I crash, but then, I generally am sleep deprived too. I still wake up pretty perky in the morning if I wish, I have no grogginess issue, though, I will go back to sleep if I don't need to be up for a few hours... sometimes... it has to be at least 2-3 hours out before I have to get up.

Sleep is probably the bane of my existence as well, if I could stay awake all the time I would, although, I've noticed that my mood terribly crashes when I'm not on a regular sleeping schedule, and a good nights sleep does tend to fix me right up mentally. Intellectually, it's my bane, emotionally, it's my savior. I can't call myself a true insomniac because it is a relatively deliberate choice, even though there are times where I have trouble feeling tired, if I just force myself I can usually fall asleep.

My guess would be that, just like some people try to associate asbergers (sp?) and other mental handicaps to INTP's, insomnia is another thing that isn't a part of INTP personality, we just easily fall into a pattern similar to insomnia, generally by 'choice' to an extent. (Meaning, things like racing thoughts usually can be ignored enough to eventually fall asleep with an hour or so... But I dunno. Raw speculation on a subject I know little about ^_^)
 

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^Yeah, I'm not sure I can call myself an insomniac either; I just really like to stay awake. I know that I probably could sleep if I got into a routine of sleeping earlier, or if I took a sleep aid, which I often have to do to sleep at a decent hour.

I guess, though, that it's hard for me to draw the line between insomniac and just "night owl." If my desire to stay awake is so strong that I just can't make myself sleep, then it's hard for me to say that isn't insomnia. Either way, I'm not sure what it is, but I sometimes call it an addiction to conscious thought. I just can't stop thinking. I even wake up deep in thought.
 

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I really can't make myself go to sleep if I'm in the middle of doing something interesting/important...say, on wikipedia or tvtropes :o. I'll know that I should go to sleep, but without anyone to make me, I sort of just stay up late.

In the event that I do get to sleep earlier than 11 o'clock, I won't be able to sleep...like tonight. I tried going to sleep at 9:30 - and I haven't been able to sleep at all, so instead I'm on INTP forum (which is much more comfortable than tossing and turning in bed.)
 
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To elaborate on losing video games: My #1 drug of choice had always been video games. Kept me from doing real drugs as a kid (pre-18)

Now I prefer to smoke up which usually helps me keep my interest in gaming and from losing my mind and not wasting more of my money and time on worse endeavors. (such as finding reasons why I hate humanity) Not to mention helping me cope with anxiety, working crap jobs and being alone 90% of the time. The whole illegal aspect can sometimes do the exact opposite for my anxiety but this goes away with regular use. I find myself a lot more at peace with myself and the world around me that way, but society says pot is bad but I never really cared much for society or its opinions since I was able to think for myself. Being jobless for quite awhile probably strongly contributes to my poor attitude lately. I never subscribed to mainstream society anyway. What works for them generally doesn't work for me and vice versa in most cases. I would agree that the 90% of people are not worth the time/effort. My main method to go to sleep is to keep my mind as occupied as possible until I get really sleepy. Typically this doesn't happen until 2-6AM. I don't like having to mention drugs in so many of my posts but its a part of who I am however little or much I use.(very little in my opinion, I'm not some mindless addict.) I feel it could contribute a lot of background and depth to what I am saying. I have never been one to advocate censorship.

note: I am addicted to not feeling like crap all the time and not hating myself/the rest of the world.
I used to lose my temper a lot when I was younger so I probably have a lot of suppressed rage that could be very dangerous if I'm not able to deal with it properly. It seems to me the SJ types would prefer to provoke this rage.
 

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I have a tendency to have zero attention span to the time, whether in the span of years or minutes or hours. The last 4 years of my life, don't really feel like they've gone by, I still feel like I'm fresh out of high school. I never really feel like I leave any moment in time really... but I do forget them easily.

I can relate. It took me so long to finish college that I still feel like I am there, even though it has now been over a year since I had full-time classes. It would probably help if I had a full-time job and a regular sleep schedule. Right now, it feels like every day just merges into the next. No separation, and no strict schedule (high Perceiving), probably gets me there.

That said, I have a horrendous sleeping pattern, but I have no trouble waking up usually. Some friends I used to hang out with thought I was crazy because I'd go to sleep around 4 a.m. after getting wasted with them, and I'd wake up at 8, drink about 5-6 glasses of water and have no hang over :P. I rarely drink though, that was a short jaunt with them.
I wish I had this. I unfortunately need an abnormal amount of sleep. (11 hours on average, I'd say). I don't always get it, obviously.

Normally, I end up loosing track of time, or thinking I have more time than I do, and then it's all of a sudden 4 a.m. and I realize I should really seriously get to bed this time, even though I thought that 4 times previous at least.
Yep, that's me, as well.

I still wake up pretty perky in the morning if I wish, I have no grogginess issue,
I wish this was the case for me.


My guess would be that, just like some people try to associate asbergers (sp?) and other mental handicaps to INTP's, insomnia is another thing that isn't a part of INTP personality, we just easily fall into a pattern similar to insomnia, generally by 'choice' to an extent.
Yeah, for me, there is some truth to that, the staying up part, but then I also need tons of sleep, and that isn't controllable, so it is a tired combination of personality and disorder that really screws with me.

I really can't make myself go to sleep if I'm in the middle of doing something interesting/important...say, on wikipedia or tvtropes :o. I'll know that I should go to sleep, but without anyone to make me, I sort of just stay up late.
Like I said above, I also do this...I'm doing it right now. :)

In the event that I do get to sleep earlier than 11 o'clock, I won't be able to sleep...like tonight. I tried going to sleep at 9:30 - and I haven't been able to sleep at all, so instead I'm on INTP forum (which is much more comfortable than tossing and turning in bed.)
I also have this, but more delayed than you, and I am a perpetual nite-owl. I thought for a long while that I had DSPS, but I think I have something else going on, which has similar symptoms but with a different root cause.

To elaborate on losing video games: My #1 drug of choice had always been video games. Kept me from doing real drugs as a kid (pre-18)

Now I prefer to smoke up which usually helps me keep my interest in gaming and from losing my mind and not wasting more of my money and time on worse endeavors. (such as finding reasons why I hate humanity) Not to mention helping me cope with anxiety, working crap jobs and being alone 90% of the time.
Yeah, it sounds like you were using it like alcohol, to numb and forget about the pain/anger/anxiety/troubles you have. It'd probably be better for you to do some sort of personal therapy, or maybe assisted by a psychologist/counselor, to get to the bottom of this. Have you already done any of this?

The whole illegal aspect can sometimes do the exact opposite for my anxiety but this goes away with regular use. I find myself a lot more at peace with myself and the world around me that way, but society says pot is bad but I never really cared much for society or its opinions since I was able to think for myself.
I'm genuinely glad that you strive to think for yourself and question authority.

Being jobless for quite awhile probably strongly contributes to my poor attitude lately.
That can definitely do it.
I never subscribed to mainstream society anyway. What works for them generally doesn't work for me and vice versa in most cases.
Some things that mainstream society does, as I've matured, I've found appreciation for, but much of the time, mainstream society is way too closed minded and rigid.

I would agree that the 90% of people are not worth the time/effort. My main method to go to sleep is to keep my mind as occupied as possible until I get really sleepy. Typically this doesn't happen until 2-6AM.
I do this, too, but it may not be the most optimal. Some type of scheduled relaxation technique or music programming might be better; not saying I've succeeded at going to bed earlier by doing something of this nature. I'm just saying I may not have found my personal technique.

I don't like having to mention drugs in so many of my posts but its a part of who I am however little or much I use.(very little in my opinion, I'm not some mindless addict.) I feel it could contribute a lot of background and depth to what I am saying. I have never been one to advocate censorship.
Don't worry. You don't have to censor yourself around here. (or, at least, the accepted boundaries are quite wide here.)

note: I am addicted to not feeling like crap all the time and not hating myself/the rest of the world.
Those would definitely be good things to shoot for. My goals are similar.

I used to lose my temper a lot when I was younger so I probably have a lot of suppressed rage that could be very dangerous if I'm not able to deal with it properly. It seems to me the SJ types would prefer to provoke this rage.
You should seek out ways to let this kind of stress that has built up out in a non-violent way. For me, listening to certain music can do the trick, but depending on you and the severity of yours, it may require something more.
 
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After long and vicious war, I've finally beaten my sleeping cycle to a bloody pulp. Even from when I was 11 or so, people would refer to me as a 'night owl'. In the evening, I can't remember anything up till about 12pm if I woke up before that time. I just operate on automatic, get up, shower, breakfast, etc and then all of a sudden it's lunchtime and I don't know how I got there. I actually lose track of time quite often when I get involved in something, I finish entire books in a day from cover to cover and wonder why I'm feeling hungry. Thinking about it some more, there are these moments of clarity I get every now and then where I think 'what the fuck have I done for the last month?'. I lived in on campus accommodation with 40 other students, it was common for them to get up at 7am and see me cooking dinner.

Guess you could say I'm definitely a 'B' type personality. I hate mornings, but in the evening and especially at night my mind races. When there's important stuff on (like exams at 8am) I'll stay up until 6pm the night before (as in stay awake for 30 hours) and then go to sleep so I can get a solid 12 hours.

I wish I had this. I unfortunately need an abnormal amount of sleep. (11 hours on average, I'd say). I don't always get it, obviously.

I'm much the same, I'd rather not sleep the night than only get 4 hours in.

BTW, tekton I absolutely love your avatar.
 
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