Should I take the third jab?

[Black Rose]

They say on the news you need 3 shots. I hear you will also need to take shots every 6 months. I took two shots and I do not understand why you need more. Covid is not the flu, why more shots?

 

[Cognisant]

Because dumbasses don't get vaccinated which gives the virus hosts through which to spread, multiply and mutate, then we need more vaccines for the new vaccine resistant strains

This isn't so much a battle against COVID as it is a battle against people's stupidity, were it only the virus we had to deal with this could have all been over already.

 

[crippli]

If you took two, and everything was fine. Why not take the third? Or tenth? For me, I don't like getting stung by any animal. I was stung many times this summer by wasps. I didn't like it. Might be an idiot. But I doubt covid would find me a nice person.

 

[Grayman]

Because dumbasses don't get vaccinated which gives the virus hosts through which to spread, multiply and mutate, then we need more vaccines for the new vaccine resistant strains

This isn't so much a battle against COVID as it is a battle against people's stupidity, were it only the virus we had to deal with this could have all been over already.

The newest strain omicron comes from Africa. We cannot get the vaccine to all the parts of the world due to refrigeration requirements. It's not because people in Africa are dumasses.

Also, vaccine boosters are required for the old strains due to antibodies being depleted over time.

It's interesting how those, who are so quick to arrogantly demean others about vaccines, know the least.

 

[Grayman]

They say on the news you need 3 shots. I hear you will also need to take shots every 6 months. I took two shots and I do not understand why you need more. Covid is not the flu, why more shots?

Most vaccines train your body to reproduce the antibodies so that you have a much longer immunity to the virus. The antibodies don't stay in your blood forever so your body has to reproduce them.

The covid vaccine does not train your body to build new antibodies very well so you need to get the vaccine boosters to force it to build new antibodies every so often for the rest of your life.

Even if you got everyone to get vaccinated, and you didn't make them get boosters, they would eventually have another major incident because someone in the rest of the world comming into the country legally or illegally would reinfect people and start the cycle again.

 

[Grayman]

@Animekitty Whats your risk of exposure? Are you and the people you live with, around multiple people a day and are there adequate protections?


Are you willing to take the risk of the vaccine every six months if your exposure is really really low?

 

[crippli]

I've been on a high risk. Not me. Avoided once. Otherwise quiet. I think it can be handeled. Vacsines are not the solution. Attitides/Needs are.

 

[Black Rose]

@Animekitty Whats your risk of exposure? Are you and the people you live with, around multiple people a day and are there adequate protections?


Are you willing to take the risk of the vaccine every six months if your exposure is really really low?

I stay home all day.
If taking the shot becomes normalized I will take it.

 

[Puffy]

It sounds like you have low exposure and hence low risk of catching the virus, animekitty. Of course, do what feels right to you.

 

[Cognisant]

Even if you got everyone to get vaccinated, and you didn't make them get boosters, they would eventually have another major incident because someone in the rest of the world comming into the country legally or illegally would reinfect people and start the cycle again.

I live in Queensland Australia where we have COVID well under control and I can see your point in that despite our best efforts we haven't been able to eliminate it and by the looks of things around the world we probably never will. However we do have it under control, with the availability and uptake of vaccinations life here has pretty much gone back to normal. We don't have to wear masks or check in everywhere we go anymore, we did the right thing and now we reap the benefits.

How about you stop being part of the problem?

 

[dr froyd]

Because dumbasses don't get vaccinated which gives the virus hosts through which to spread, multiply and mutate, then we need more vaccines for the new vaccine resistant strains

This isn't so much a battle against COVID as it is a battle against people's stupidity, were it only the virus we had to deal with this could have all been over already.

I find it spectacular that most people believe vaccines protect against infection. That was not their purpose originally, and that is not how they work empirically. While it is true you have a reduced chance of getting a symptomatic infection without a vaccine, the true purpose of the vaccine is to protect against severe outcomes once you get infected. What has been clearly shown is that vaccinated people transmit the virus as easily non-vaccinated, and most current cases of both infection and hospitalization are comprized of the fully vaccinated.

Please educate yourself before calling people "dumbasses".

 

[Black Rose]

They got rid of smallpox with a vaccine, why would covid be any different. Even if both are just symptomatic. we can make sure covid kills fewer people just by vaxing everyone.

 

[Daddy]

Because dumbasses don't get vaccinated which gives the virus hosts through which to spread, multiply and mutate, then we need more vaccines for the new vaccine resistant strains

This isn't so much a battle against COVID as it is a battle against people's stupidity, were it only the virus we had to deal with this could have all been over already.

The newest strain omicron comes from Africa. We cannot get the vaccine to all the parts of the world due to refrigeration requirements. It's not because people in Africa are dumasses.

Also, vaccine boosters are required for the old strains due to antibodies being depleted over time.

It's interesting how those, who are so quick to arrogantly demean others about vaccines, know the least.

But it doesn't totally matter that antibodies deplete over time. Once your immune system makes antibodies for a virus, it remembers that blueprint and can reproduce it rather quickly when it needs to. Of course having the antibodies already present can speed up the process and have the potential to reduce the R number of the virus further, but people are still resistant even when the antibodies go away after 3 months.

And it's true a lot of places don't have enough vaccines, but it is stupid that first-world nations can't get a high percentage of their people vaccinated. The more places highly resistant to infection, the slower the virus will mutate and the more likely it is to die off or die down for long periods of time. It's mutating so quickly because it's able to reproduce at a rapid and massive rate around the world as it quickly jumps from person to person. The more people become resistant to infection, the lower the statistical R number for the virus and the less able it is to mutate quickly. That should be the goal, but most people won't put enough thought into virology to even understand that to begin with. They'd rather find conservative and liberal talking points and get mad about that instead...

 

[Grayman]

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Because dumbasses don't get vaccinated which gives the virus hosts through which to spread, multiply and mutate, then we need more vaccines for the new vaccine resistant strains

This isn't so much a battle against COVID as it is a battle against people's stupidity, were it only the virus we had to deal with this could have all been over already.

The newest strain omicron comes from Africa. We cannot get the vaccine to all the parts of the world due to refrigeration requirements. It's not because people in Africa are dumasses.

Also, vaccine boosters are required for the old strains due to antibodies being depleted over time.

It's interesting how those, who are so quick to arrogantly demean others about vaccines, know the least.

But it doesn't totally matter that antibodies deplete over time. Once your immune system makes antibodies for a virus, it remembers that blueprint and can reproduce it rather quickly when it needs to. Of course having the antibodies already present can speed up the process and have the potential to reduce the R number of the virus further, but people are still resistant even when the antibodies go away after 3 months.

And it's true a lot of places don't have enough vaccines, but it is stupid that first-world nations can't get a high percentage of their people vaccinated. The more places highly resistant to infection, the slower the virus will mutate and the more likely it is to die off or die down for long periods of time. It's mutating so quickly because it's able to reproduce at a rapid and massive rate around the world as it quickly jumps from person to person. The more people become resistant to infection, the lower the statistical R number for the virus and the less able it is to mutate quickly. That should be the goal, but most people won't put enough thought into virology to even understand that to begin with. They'd rather find conservative and liberal talking points and get mad about that instead...

Yes, but as I was saying, the vaccine doesn't do a good job of teaching your body to produce new antibodies. It does some but not a lot. I think part of that is because your body is learning to make an antibody for the spike protein, not the virus itself.

More mutations aren't bad. If people stay home when they have bad symptoms the virus that exibits worse symptoms will be less able to spread. A variant that causes little to no symptoms will spread very easily since no one is aware they even had the virus. This "low symptom" mutation can still cause an immune response and give people partial immunity or resistance to the original virus. Those more dangerous variants are less competitive and die off as they fail to find hosts.
In fact, the first vaccine wasn't a dead or piece of a virus. They purposely infected people with a live virus. Not the dangerous one but a similar virus to give them resistance to the more dangerous virus.

I think the attempt to irradicate covid is impossible and the attempt to do so only causes more issues than it solves. I am more if a realist than an idealist.

 

[Cognisant]

Granted dr froyd made a good point that being vaccinated doesn't prevent someone getting infected or being infectious, but the purpose of a vaccine is to train the body to identify and respond to the virus thus accelerating the immune response. This doesn't outright prevent someone getting infected but it greatly reduces the duration, severity and symptoms if the infection, making it harder for the virus to spread and giving it less opportunity to mutate.

and most current cases of both infection and hospitalization are comprized of the fully vaccinated.

Well most people are fully vaccinated, particularly among the elderly and infirm, however the vast majority of people dying of COVID are unvaccinated which shows the vaccine is working.

If people stay home when they have bad symptoms the virus that exibits worse symptoms will be less able to spread.

Which is still true if those people are vaccinated and sure since vaccinated people won't get as sick so they may not stay home as much but they're also less infectious to begin with because they don’t get as sick.

All viruses generally become more benign over time because the virus doesn't get anything out of killing its host, indeed the most successful viruses are the symbiotic ones. But this happens over a long time and many deaths, you can't save lives by accelerating that process, a virus is far more likely to mutate into a more dangerous strain than one that's benign, it's only by killing the host that lethality becomes a selective pressure against the virus.

 

[dr froyd]

and most current cases of both infection and hospitalization are comprized of the fully vaccinated.

Well most people are fully vaccinated, particularly among the elderly and infirm, however the vast majority of people dying of COVID are unvaccinated which shows the vaccine is working.

its true that the ones who are most succeptile to severe outcomes are the ones that are most vaccinated, but it is definitely not true that most people who die from covid are unvaccinated. E.g. official UK data shows about 80% of deaths are from fully vaxxed:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1025358/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-41.pdf

this of course doesn't mean the vaccine isn't working, in fact it is working for the intended purpose and a recent norwegian study estimates the chance of getting hosptialized after an infection to be about 5x if one is unvaxxed (adjusted for all relevant factors like age etc). However, what it does mean is that one cannot quickly conclude that the unvaxxed are the ones who are responsible for the propagation and mutation of the virus.

 

[dr froyd]

They got rid of smallpox with a vaccine, why would covid be any different. Even if both are just symptomatic. we can make sure covid kills fewer people just by vaxing everyone.

keep in mind that smallpox was eradicated through more measures than just vaccination, e.g. aggressively isolating clusters of infected people. Also keep in mind that the smallpox vaccine gave lifetime immunity, whereas present-day covid vaccines rapidly lose effectiveness over time.

I strongly believe that if even if you get to 100% vaccination you will not change the current situation much. If you look at the official UK data for example, about 99% of the population have antibodies for covid either through vaxx or prior infection. And since most infections are driven by vaxxed ppl, it's quite clear that getting to 100% will not actually help.

 

[ZenRaiden]

More your immune system gets target practice the more it can respond to COVID.

Simple as that. If you do 2 push ups a day this would mean you do 3 push ups a day.

I don't think anyone here actually knows exactly why, nor should they, not unless they are students of medicine or experts in the field or some such.

Biology is simply on some level, but the more you get to the nitty gritty of it it gets awfully complicated. Until a point where you just cannot do get a simple answer no matter how much you know.

So I assume 3 shots are preferable, but only time will tell if its necessary.

It is a more question of how risk averse you are.

If for example the shot is for free, and there are no side effects from two shots then getting a third one is simple a matter of common sense.

On other hand too much of everything is bad. You can only do so much, plus who says you cannot get side effects from the third one. I cannot, neither can anyone.

Bottom line is its not a rational decision to take third shot.
Its at best a probabilistic guess with some assumptions.

Is it necessary? I think it will eventually happen. Eventually your immunity will go down towards COVID and at that point you will have to take a new vaccine.

I don't think however the makers or doctors can tell you when its the best time to make most of the vaccine. So pretty much you might want to wait for half a year and then for full effect take a third jab, instead of being too quick since you still have immunity.

 

[Black Rose]

I tried to find a place to get the third jab but it's not available. I see my primary care physician in a week, I will ask him.

 

[Grayman]

@Animekitty I pray for the best of health no matter what you decide. I will be focusing other preventative measures and overall health. Continuous boosters without long term testing sounds too daunting to me.

 

[Black Rose]

Because dumbasses don't get vaccinated which gives the virus hosts through which to spread, multiply and mutate, then we need more vaccines for the new vaccine resistant strains

This isn't so much a battle against COVID as it is a battle against people's stupidity, were it only the virus we had to deal with this could have all been over already.

That doesn't make sense. Most vaccines require one jab and that if I get the third jab and it mutates again I will need a 4th and 5th. What is the mutation rate? What is mRNA? Give me the science. How can they know what goes in the third jab if they do not know what the mutation is yet???

my arm hurt 6 months after the first two shots. that's not normal (I got Pfizer)

why did my doctor give me a cardiogram?

 

[Puffy]

@Animekitty I pray for the best of health no matter what you decide. I will be focusing other preventative measures and overall health. Continuous boosters without long term testing sounds too daunting to me.

I feel similarly at this point. I had the first two jabs without any known consequence. But I’ve experienced side effects from long-term usage of other medicines before to feel that long-term testing is appropriate. I haven’t been sick throughout the pandemic and I’d put that down to good nutrition and exercise to strengthen immunity, and reasonable preventative measures when interacting with others.

 

[Puffy]

Because dumbasses don't get vaccinated which gives the virus hosts through which to spread, multiply and mutate, then we need more vaccines for the new vaccine resistant strains

This isn't so much a battle against COVID as it is a battle against people's stupidity, were it only the virus we had to deal with this could have all been over already.

That doesn't make sense. Most vaccines require one jab and that if I get the third jab and it mutates again I will need a 4th and 5th. What is the mutation rate? What is mRNA? Give me the science. How can they know what goes in the third jab if they do not know what the mutation is yet???

my arm hurt 6 months after the first two shots. that's not normal (I got Pfizer)

why did my doctor give me a cardiogram?

I’m admittedly a hypochondriac. Over the holidays I was getting heart palpitations and weird sensations in my arms. I started fantasising if I was having side-effects from vaccination due to the rare heart side effects. So I saw a doctor and they tested me and said my heart was normal. Turned out the palpitations was likely a combination of drinking over the holidays and lack of sleep. The sensation in the arm was due to muscle tension and one session with my physio sorted it.

Sometimes stress and worry can over catastrophise things, I suspect people do this a lot with the vaccines and I’m likely doing that with the booster (I just know it’ll make my mind go into an irrational stress loop so I’d rather do it differently). But if you’re worried it’s had a side effect on your arm better to just talk about it with someone, best case they can put your mind at ease.

Maybe they were testing for blood pressure difference in the arms or for any abnormal heart rhythms? If it came back normal then nothing to worry about.

 

[Black Rose]

my arm was sore for an entire 6 months. (since July)
it was like they put the needle in and never took it out.
only in the past 2 weeks did it stop hurting (sharp pains), and even it is still tender.

my doctor told me in December it may hurt till May.

what was in that thing?

 

[Perfectly Normal Beast]

what was in that thing?

How Bad is my Batch ? - some batches are much worse than others

Spike Detox and Optimal Health - natural remedies for vaccine/spike protein detox

 

[Grayman]

my arm was sore for an entire 6 months. (since July)
it was like they put the needle in and never took it out.
only in the past 2 weeks did it stop hurting (sharp pains), and even it is still tender.

my doctor told me in December it may hurt till May.

what was in that thing?

There are irritants in there to cause your body to react more causing a higher immune response. This results in more antibodies.

I think the irritants should have cleared from your body by now.

With it being so long, it's probably just damage to the inside of your blood vessels. The body responds by clotting the inside of the vessel because it thinks you could have internal bleeding or bruising.
This obstructs blood flow to the muscles in your arm causing aching.
Heat can increase blood flow and exercise as well. Breathing exercises will help increase blood oxygen levels so that your muscles will get the oxygen it needs.
Also certain foods reduce clotting and better blood vessel/heart health like ginger, turmeric, almonds, cinnamon. I make a cocktail of Ginger concentrate, apple juice, and turmeric concentrate almost every day.

I have heard of and know of worst cases of spike protein damage causing amputations, or young people having strokes from the blood clot dislodging and entering the brain, blocking blood flow there.

The shot is supposed to be in your arm and the spike protein contained in that area were it won't be able to wreak as much havoc. I think sometimes the shot finds a better ride in the cardiovascular system instead of staying put like it did for you.

 

[Grayman]

@Animekitty being a young man, with a stronger reaction to the vaccine, I would be concerned with a potential of having myocarditis. I would avoid heavy excersize. I know you don't get out much so I would focus on a few brisk walks a day to get your blood flow going.

Any chest pain or shoulder pain? Tightness in the chest or pain when taking deep breaths?

 

[dr froyd]

jab jab jab.. follow the science.. jab jab jab .. the benefits outweigh the risks.. jab jab jab .. oops it doesn't work we need a booster .. jab jab jab .. oops the booster doesn't work you need a second booster .. jab jab jab .. so science very much knowledge.. jab jab jab

 

[birdsnestfern]

I have not been vaxed, nor have I been exposed or gotten Covid, but I am type O blood and I don't go near people too often.

A or B blood types might be more susceptible to it though.

It depends how much you are around other people, and whether you wear a mask and if you had reactions to it. If you live at home and don't go out much, I'd just a soon take vitamin D and Oregano oil.

The booster is probably not that effective now because the virus has mutated so much since it was first made. I know several people who were vaxed, boosted and still got Covid. Its got a trace amount of the live virus, so small that your body develops antibodies to it normally, but not EVERYONE does.

I know this is hear say to some, but if this is a lab manufactured virus, (made in Texas, and taken to China for more research) they put a small piece of HIV virus in it. The HIV weakens your immune system. This is most likely why people are getting it over and over and even after the vax/booster because it weakens your immune system. Many health care workers that were against the vaccine know - but they can't say that publicly. Also, the government asked pharmaceutical companies to manufacture it and they gave them the recipe for the mRNA, but who is watching what the manufacturers are doing? How would we know if they made it exactly right, or kept it cold enough to prevent contamination or bacteria, and how would we know if everything was perfect about the vaccine?

So many things can change a formula, and also, what fast science had to be approved on the spot, did it involve pressure to approve at the FDA level, (yes) and how can we really believe that was real science? Something has to be on the market for ten years to know if its safe. Every time your dr prescribes something, ask how long its been on the market and decline it if its not at least ten years. They are not going to tell you that you are a guinea pig, they just hope the public trusts them. If you have a bad reaction, its not their fault. So, how can we really trust that?

Also, you can take Vitamin D3 10-20,000 iu a day and boost immunity too.
Personally, I go the route of Vitamin D3, Masks, or just avoiding people and after any interactions, I take Oregano Oil which kills most virus right away if you take it the moment you feel a sore throat or after going to a dr appt/etc. Its easy to take, its five drops of oregano oil dropped into a bottle of water - drink it and generally feel back to normal within half a day. Also, I spray colloidal silver in my eyes, nose and throat and on any cut or bug bite, or any tooth ache. Colloidal silver in small amounts and in spray form will help you heal fast and it kills everything, silver is also what they put on burns in the hospital. If you ever get a really bad toothache, and you can't afford the dentist immediately, put a dropper or two of colloidal silver on the tooth, and a half teaspoon of virgin coconut oil in your mouth. Repeat a few times and the ache and infection will stop! Its a good idea to keep those in your medicine cabinet!

 

[dr froyd]

i was skeptical about the vaccine and got covid unvaxxed, and I can tell you right now it was a big fuckin mistake

this was about 4 months ago and I still have a cough + some weird thing with my eyes which makes it difficult to read fast. The first 2 months I was dizzy all the time, but luckily that has mostly subsided.

oh and my sense of smell and taste is definitely still fucked up.

keep in mind I'm a very healthy guy in my early 30s.

 

[washti]

Sorry to read about your health decline. I hope you will get better and fully recover, dr froyd.

I think I could have covid twice. First time before vaccines come out, after visiting the dentist.

I had a rash. Red bumps on legs forearms and neck. One night agonizing throat pain. After that 2-3 weeks of muscle and joint tingles. And lost on one side 5 cms wide chunk of hair (I see it only now when it regrows, how uneven this side is in length. Could be stress too. Or Pfizer alopecia design :-))
But I didn't lose smell or taste. And since I'm forever depressive fuck then I dunno if it impacted my psyche. Still cray tho.

Then I got 3 doses. (Last in January) Things were fine. Initially, I got scared of aftervaxx death reports in Poland. I checked my antibody levels in June and was having some but that was a tiny amount. The nurse at vaccine point told me that I likely had contact.

A month ago I stopped wearing masks for good and like a week ago I got an extremely stuffed nose and a bit of sore throat. It lasted 3 days. Was annoying... Omicron supposes to work like that. So maybe it was it. Or some lilac allergy, given that I sleep with open windows. I'm too lazy to check it out. And I feel all fine now.

Anyway, if the 4th dose or better will be available for free or not crazy price in my age group I'm upgrading for the fall/winter season. Was already sure it's done for me with covid but these 3 days of the stuffy nose made me rethink it.

Overall covid worked for me lighter than quinsy some years ago which attacked my eyes (!) and I was on antibiotics.

 

[Redfire]

I got two Moderna shots and it fucked me up. I never get sick btw. I got a paralyzed foot (for a while, subsided after a few weeks), and my left leg feels weird since then. Don't want to get a third one, but I got all my family, and government; busting my balls. I might cave. Might not cave. I would like to get Sputnik shots which are non-RNA, but all Russian stuff is cancelled now.

This whole thing is nonsense imo.