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Thers a lot of speculation out there. But I believe we stand at the beginning of the aquarian age, an age that has a been long said to allow humans to easily make thoughts and ideas reality, it is an age of knowledge.
Marking the end of each age you always see a slow shift from the old ways, then suddenly the change accelerates exponentially. We can see that in our technological advancements in the last few years alone.
The Mayan calendar marked the end of an era, and the end of the Age of Pisces. The age of Pisces has been said to be the age of deception, and we can see that ringing clear in this society built by our predecessors.

I feel a great awakening happening, i dont know if you can but i do. i see it slowly weaving its way through everyone i meet, cracking mental shackles and opening eyes, shedding light on once dark spaces.

I feel in this new age of possibilities the INTP will shine brighter ever. for us intps, this is a good time to be alive.
 

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the majority of humans are still the same as ever.
dont get your hopes up.
good time to be alive?
By that rationale, this is a bad time to be alive, because things are improving, so the future is a better time to be alive.
 

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the majority of humans are still the same as ever.
dont get your hopes up.
good time to be alive?
By that rationale, this is a bad time to be alive, because things are improving, so the future is a better time to be alive.

But i think that hope, no matter how unfounded, is what is going to bring about improvements.
Intps love concepts, and i revel in the thought of my ideas being used to bring about this new future, to help shape it as i see fit. The human condition will always be improving, so in your view of my rationale, why be born at all?
 

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I had no control over my birth.
I attach no meaning to it, it simply occurred.

In this new future, humans are still likely to die, rape, pillage and meander about aimlessly.
Just because our species is experiencing a faster and faster rate of technological growth does not mean we are experiencing this growth biologically and societally equally as fast.

Our servers are becoming more effective, but our brains may have reached their evolutionary limit.

Revel not in your hope for change, but rather in the improbable existence of your sentience.
 

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You can do just that then, you can say your birth is meaningless, and you can tell yourself that your mind has reached its evolutionary limit, and in doing so you will be right.
 

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I've always wondered why the Mayan calendar is special. Surely other calendars are equally as legitimate. What is significant about their calendar that it can mark the passing of 'ages'?

Is this new period of time (an age) that we are supposedly entering universal or is it localised to Earth?

Is it possible I have misunderstood you and you are 'speaking' in metaphors?
 

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The Mayan calendar is deeply rooted in astrology, and marks the end of an astrological cycle. The 5,125 year cycle is made up of many smaller cycles, called ages.
To answer your question its local to our solar system, little known fact that our solar system is a part of the Pleiades system orbiting around the great central sun Alcyone of the Pleiades constellation every 25,000-26,000 years. --If that makes you feel small then you are having the correct response. And in the Pleiades system there is a Photon Belt which is also known as the Photon Band, Photon Ring, Manasic Ring, Golden Nebula or Interstellar Energy Clouds, somewhere around 2012 we fully entered this photon belt. Alot certainly happened in 2012.

The current astrological age will be the constellation which the Spring / Vernal Equinox is pointing to and it will change because of the precession of equinox. We are moving from Pisces to Aquarius. Altho there is some speculation as to when we have fully made the transition, many, including myself, believe that it coincides with the end of the great cycle.
 
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You must factor in that the elites who prospered under the previous age will be the first to have access to advancements in the next. Shit ain't gonna be pretty. Technology does not freedom bring. You will see frequent advances and retreats, the ongoing events surrounding politics/race/sex in the U.S. being just one example. I personally expect a bloody summer, possibly akin to 1968 or even 1919.
[bimgx=500]http://i.imgur.com/RmAuqbT.jpg[/bimgx]
Otherwise, things will get worse before they get better, and all intuitives thrive in this sort of environment, golden ratio and what not.
 
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Whining about astrology on a typology forum. :D

Action is highly dependent on a suite of forces that, eventually, produce opportunity. It's not a blanket thing, and it requires an interplay of activation energy inputs.
 

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You must factor in that the elites who prospered under the previous age will be the first to have access to advancements in the next. Shit ain't gonna be pretty. Technology does not freedom bring. You will see frequent advances and retreats, the ongoing events surrounding politics/race/sex in the U.S. being just one example. I personally expect a bloody summer, possibly akin to 1968 or even 1919.
[bimgx=500]http://i.imgur.com/RmAuqbT.jpg[/bimgx]
Otherwise, things will get worse before they get better, and all intuitives thrive in this sort of environment, golden ratio and what not.

I feel like they are certainly going to make a push for it, and that's why we feel such political unrest in the world today. But i can only hope they will fail in the end and do what i can to keep my mind free. I think a lot is going to happen by the end of this year, better pull your stocks and clench your butcheeks.
 

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I'm more wondering how is astrology more true than say, Norse sagas or eddas and the coming of Ragnarök.

Those are very interesting topics as well.
 

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Thanks for posting this animekitty! I am wondering, what exactly does the spreadsheet mean by "progress"?
 

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Ray Kurzweil says progress happens faster as we move into the future.
20 years of progress happens in 14 years then 9 years then 6 years.
the ratio between these numbers can speed up or remain constant.
Kurzweil says 2045 and this is a ratio of 0.7
i think it will happen faster.
 

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The age of Pisces has been said to be the age of deception, and we can see that ringing clear in this society built by our predecessors.

So you feel utterly undeceived as to the deception value of the era in question? :P

To me the only conclusions that are interesting are those with reasoning behind it (us Leos are a skeptical bunch). If the things you claim to see happening are actually happening, why do you need a mystical narrative in order to justify them? I don't speak that language. I don't compute. If you can observe it then you can measure it, and if you can measure it you can prove it without appealing to hocus pocus.
 

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So you feel utterly undeceived as to the deception value of the era in question? :P

To me the only conclusions that are interesting are those with reasoning behind it (us Leos are a skeptical bunch). If the things you claim to see happening are actually happening, why do you need a mystical narrative in order to justify them? I don't speak that language. I don't compute. If you can observe it then you can measure it, and if you can measure it you can prove it without appealing to hocus pocus.

One of the biggest deceptions is that current science knows most everything, and that if you can't explain it logically then it can't be true. http://www.gizmag.com/quantum-theory-reality-anu/37866/
 

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Quantum Physics isn't a valid qualifier for mysticism.
 

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One of the biggest deceptions is that current science knows most everything, and that if you can't explain it logically then it can't be true. http://www.gizmag.com/quantum-theory-reality-anu/37866/
When people will stop using quantum as a magic wand?

There is nothing new to be gained from re-interpreting myths and assigning correlations, this is the folly of mbti, astrology and other pseudosciences, they have some initial material, but don't stand up to scrutiny when compared to external systems. I haven't seen astrologers or mbti writers prove their own research, instead they always refer to existing material, their contemporary colleagues and science such as astronomy and psychology. It's a never ending circle of self-reference. To explain one lie, another lie has to support it and another one and next. Then if all fails, the reality has to be denied, it is the ultimate saving grace for any irrational idea, saying that reality doesn't function or can't ever be relied on.

You could defer mayan mythology with a norse one, you could disprove science. It's cool if you are writing a fantasy novel, but if you don't have explanations and systems, then you do the same thing, referring to baseless resources.

All this spirituality and pop-science caters for an increasing substitute activity of consuming knowledge in any form, regardless of its purpose or source and trying to ascribe some meaning to it. It's sad in my opinion that such things get misused, because it perpetuates the impression of irrationality or being lost in the world, but that maybe the current fashion and way of feeling comfortable with the ever increasing informational-specialisation gap.
 

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No it is not, but the observer theory would suggest that we are not merely lumps of mechanical matter. Tho i just use it as an argument of thought that we may just be in a simulation. I do know however, how little we actually know, compared to how much we like to think we know. I don't completely believe or disbelieve anything, i simply explore all possibilities to the fullest. And you should look into this "hocus pocus", connect some dots, avoid crazy people, and you might see that is founded on more solid sand than you might think.
 

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Thers a lot of speculation out there. But I believe we stand at the beginning of the aquarian age, an age that has a been long said to allow humans to easily make thoughts and ideas reality, it is an age of knowledge.

Beginning of the aquarian age..? That age died with the soviet union and the advent of the internet. The term Aquarian Age came around because of all these mystic wannabes tried to combine pot, guitar, and John Lennon, in the milieu of nuclear, mutual assured destruction. The millennials born after that era are newcomers of the world, born at a time when peace and economic prosperity were at hand (and Monica Lewinsky). The term you're searching for is the information age.

But today's zeitgeist is globalization, with the main authoring being the US and her allies. It's by her progress and hegemony that the world can progress peacefully *cough cough*. Anything else is under the wings of her prosperity.

'MURICA!
F*** YEAH!

(btw happy 4th of july :3)
 

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One of the biggest deceptions is that current science knows most everything, and that if you can't explain it logically then it can't be true. http://www.gizmag.com/quantum-theory-reality-anu/37866/

:facepalm:

Quantum somethingsomething is not free license to pretend you know better than science. You're not saying anything we are not already *extremely* aware of.

Science doesn't pretend to know things. Every assumption is up for review. Yes there are *known* limitations. Yes there is a very large amount that is unknown. Yes there is the problem of induction. Yes there is phenomenon that are difficult to understand, explain, or observe. How does your wild speculation overcome these limitations? It doesn't! Realise this.

Because you know mystics didn't come up with QM right? Isn't it great that science is honest enough to arm its accusers with theories that are used more often as a justification for spiritual authority than for the scientific understanding they represent?
 

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Tho i just use it as an argument of thought that we may just be in a simulation. I do know however, how little we actually know, compared to how much we like to think we know.
It's fine to explore, it's fun to create and read about myths. I understand your general message, my only problem was your appeal to scientific study of quantum science as providing any support to alternatives, which makes sense if one was to try to side with alternatives only, we can work with a few theories that are testable or open to criticism and theorise about a multitude that's not.

We could live in a simulation by the way, it's possible to have a simulation that doesn't violate any of the physical rules, here's a fun idea suggesting that:
 

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Beginning of the aquarian age..? That age died with the soviet union and the advent of the internet. The term Aquarian Age came around because of all these mystic wannabes tried to combine pot, guitar, and John Lennon, in the milieu of nuclear, mutual assured destruction. The millennials born after that era are newcomers of the world, born at a time when peace and economic prosperity were at hand (and Monica Lewinsky). The term you're searching for is the information age.

But today's zeitgeist is globalization, with the main authoring being the US and her allies. It's by her progress and hegemony that the world can progress peacefully *cough cough*. Anything else is under the wings of her prosperity.

'MURICA!
F*** YEAH!

(btw happy 4th of july :3)

Rubbish. The Aquarian Age is still very much being pushed by these 'waco mystics', and these 'waco mystics' happen to be running most bodies in the international political arena, the UN being a primary front. If you really want to know how the term 'Aqaurian Age' enetered the New Age and mainstream culture read Constance Cumbey's Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow.
 

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Well if you mean the 'spirit of the Aquarian Age', then I agree with you and the author. But that categorization is more religious and spiritual in nature; it isn't neutral in its stance. From a secular perspective, the New Age movement died with the Soviet Union because the atmosphere of 'we could be fucked/nuked/dead any moment' ended with it. The economic prosperity after it killed any pseudo-religious movement. This is more from an American perspective however, I'm not sure how the brits over there see it. But since you did mention the UN and the leaders in the international arena, I'm going to contest that a bit. Most int'l leaders are in fact Christian, though whether they practice it as ritualistically and 'religiously' or not is another question. Imo once the millennials take up leadership within churches, religion will become more pronounced again. The leadership is still from the Vietnam, pre-Cold War end era, meaning a lot of the leaders don't have as much of a greater insight and perspective as the millennials do, who grew up in an era of peace.

There's a slight nuance. The angle I'm coming from is secular.
 

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Constance Cumbey? You guys are getting even more dopey by the minute.
 

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Lots of negativity about the future in here. You people been reading too much internet doom and gloom. Let me try to help balance you out...

A bunch of reasons why we are living in the best period in human history:
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/01/29/50-reasons-were-living-through-the-greatest-period.aspx

I recently talked to a doctor who retired after a 30-year career. I asked him how much medicine had changed during the three decades he practiced. "Oh, tremendously," he said. He listed off a dozen examples. Deaths from heart disease and stroke are way down. Cancer survival rates are way up. We're better at diagnosing, treating, preventing, and curing disease than ever before.
Consider this: In 1900, 1% of American women giving birth died in labor. Today, the five-year mortality rate for localized breast cancer is 1.2%. Being pregnant 100 years ago was almost as dangerous as having breast cancer is today.
The problem, the doctor said, is that these advances happen slowly over time, so you probably don't hear about them. If cancer survival rates improve, say, 1% per year, any given year's progress looks low, but over three decades, extraordinary progress is made.
Compare health-care improvements with the stuff that gets talked about in the news -- NBC anchor Andrea Mitchell interrupted a Congresswoman last week to announce Justin Bieber's arrest -- and you can understand why Americans aren't optimistic about the country's direction. We ignore the really important news because it happens slowly, but we obsess over trivial news because it happens all day long.
Expanding on my belief that everything is amazing and nobody is happy, here are 50 facts that show we're actually living through the greatest period in world history.
1. U.S.life expectancy at birth was 39 years in 1800, 49 years in 1900, 68 years in 1950, and 79 years today. The average newborn today can expect to live an entire generation longer than his great-grandparents could.
2. A flu pandemic in 1918 infected 500 million people and killed as many as 100 million. In his book The Great Influenza, John Barry describes the illness as if "someone were hammering a wedge into your skull just behind the eyes, and body aches so intense they felt like bones breaking." Today, you can go to Safeway and get a flu shot. It costs 15 bucks. You might feel a little poke.
3. In 1950, 23 people per 100,000 Americans died each year in traffic accidents, according to the Census Bureau. That fell to 11 per 100,000 by 2009. If the traffic mortality rate had not declined, 37,800 more Americans would have died last year than actually did. In the time it will take you to read this article, one American is alive who would have died in a car accident 60 years ago.
4. In 1949, Popular Mechanics magazine made the bold prediction that someday a computer could weigh less than 1 ton. I wrote this sentence on an iPad that weighs 0.73 pounds.
5. The average American now retires at age 62. One hundred years ago, the average American died at age 51. Enjoy your golden years -- your ancestors didn't get any of them.
6. In his 1770s book The Wealth of Nations, Adam Smith wrote: "It is not uncommon in the highlands of Scotland for a mother who has borne 20 children not to have 2 alive." Infant mortality in America has dropped from 58 per 1,000 births in 1933 to less than six per 1,000 births in 2010, according to the World Health Organization. There are about 11,000 births in America each day, so this improvement means more than 200,000 infants now survive each year who wouldn't have 80 years ago. That's like adding a city the size of Boise, Idaho, every year.
7. America averaged 20,919 murders per year in the 1990s, and 16,211 per year in the 2000s, according to the FBI. If the murder rate had not fallen, 47,000 more Americans would have been killed in the last decade than actually were. That's more than the population of Biloxi, Miss.
8. Despite a surge in airline travel, there were half as many fatal plane accidents in 2012 than there were in 1960, according to the Aviation Safety Network.
9. No one has died from a new nuclear weapon attack since 1945. If you went back to 1950 and asked the world's smartest political scientists, they would have told you the odds of seeing that happen would be close to 0%. You don't have to be very imaginative to think that the most important news story of the past 70 years is what didn't happen. Congratulations, world.
10. People worry that the U.S. economy will end up stagnant like Japan's. Next time you hear that, remember that unemployment in Japan hasn't been above 5.6% in the past 25 years, its government corruption ranking has consistently improved, incomes per capita adjusted for purchasing power have grown at a decent rate, and life expectancy has risen by nearly five years. I can think of worse scenarios.
11. Two percent of American homes had electricity in 1900. J.P Morgan (the man) was one of the first to install electricity in his home, and it required a private power plant on his property. Even by 1950, close to 30% of American homes didn't have electricity. It wasn't until the 1970s that virtually all homes were powered. Adjusted for wage growth, electricity cost more than 10 times as much in 1900 as it does today, according to professor Julian Simon.
12. According to the Federal Reserve, the number of lifetime years spent in leisure -- retirement plus time off during your working years -- rose from 11 years in 1870 to 35 years by 1990. Given the rise in life expectancy, it's probably close to 40 years today. Which is amazing: The average American spends nearly half his life in leisure. If you had told this to the average American 100 years ago, that person would have considered you wealthy beyond imagination.
13. We are having a national discussion about whether a $7.25-per-hour minimum wage is too low. But even adjusted for inflation, the minimum wage was less than $4 per hour as recently as the late 1940s. The top 1% have captured most of the wage growth over the past three decades, but nearly everyone has grown richer -- much richer -- during the past seven decades.
14. In 1952, 38,000 people contracted polio in America alone, according to the Centers for Disease Control. In 2012, there were fewer than 300 reported cases of polio in the entire world.
15. From 1920 to 1949, an average of 433,000 people died each year globally from "extreme weather events." That figure has plunged to 27,500 per year, according to Indur Goklany of the International Policy Network, largely thanks to "increases in societies' collective adaptive capacities."
16. Worldwide deaths from battle have plunged from 300 per 100,000 people during World War II, to the low teens during the 1970s, to less than 10 in the 1980s, to fewer than one in the 21st century, according to Harvard professor Steven Pinker. "War really is going out of style," he says.
17. Median household income adjusted for inflation was around $25,000 per year during the 1950s. It's nearly double that amount today. We have false nostalgia about the prosperity of the 1950s because our definition of what counts as "middle class" has been inflated -- see the 34% rise in the size of the median American home in just the past 25 years. If you dig into how the average "prosperous" American family lived in the 1950s, I think you'll find a standard of living we'd call "poverty" today.
18. Reported rape per 100,000 Americans dropped from 42.3 in 1991 to 27.5 in 2010, according to the FBI. Robbery has dropped from 272 per 100,000 in 1991 to 119 in 2010. There were nearly 4 million fewer property crimes in 2010 than there were in 1991, which is amazing when you consider the U.S. population grew by 60 million during that period.
19. According to the Census Bureau, only one in 10 American homes had air conditioning in 1960. That rose to 49% in 1973, and 89% today -- the 11% that don't are mostly in cold climates. Simple improvements like this have changed our lives in immeasurable ways.
20. Almost no homes had a refrigerator in 1900, according to Frederick Lewis Allan's The Big Change, let alone a car. Today they sell cars with refrigerators in them.
21. Adjusted for overall inflation, the cost of an average round-trip airline ticket fell 50% from 1978 to 2011, according to Airlines for America.
22. According to the Census Bureau, the average new home now has more bathrooms than occupants.
23. According to the Census Bureau, in 1900 there was one housing unit for every five Americans. Today, there's one for every three. In 1910 the average home had 1.13 occupants per room. By 1997 it was down to 0.42 occupants per room.
24. According to professor Julian Simon, the average American house or apartment is twice as large as the average house or apartment in Japan, and three times larger than the average home or apartment in Russia.
25. Relative to hourly wages, the cost of an average new car has fallen fourfold since 1915, according to professor Julian Simon.
26. Google Maps is free. If you think about this for a few moments, it's really astounding. It's probably the single most useful piece of software ever invented, and it's free for anyone to use.
27. High school graduation rates are at a 40-year high, according to Education Week.
28. The death rate from strokes has declined by 75% since the 1960s, according to the National Institutes of Health. Death from heart attacks has plunged, too: If the heart attack survival had had not declined since the 1960s, the number of Americans dying each year from heart disease would be more than 1 million higher than it currently is.
29. In 1900, African Americans had an illiteracy rate of nearly 45%, according to the Census Bureau. Today, it's statistically close to zero.
30. People talk about how expensive college is today, but a century ago fewer than one in 20 Americans ever stepped foot in a university. College wasn't an option at any price for some minorities because of segregation just six decades ago.
31. The average American work week has declined from 66 hours in 1850, to 51 hours in 1909, to 34.8 today, according to the Federal Reserve. Enjoy your weekend.
32. Incomes have grown so much faster than food prices that the average American household now spends less than half as much of its income on food as it did in the 1950s. Relative to wages, the price of food has declined more than 90% since the 19th century, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
33. As of March 2013, there were 8.99 million millionaire households in the U.S., according to the Spectrum Group. Put them together and they would make the largest city in the country, and the 18th largest city in the world, just behind Tokyo. We talk a lot about wealth concentration in the United States, but it's not just the very top that has done well.
34. More than 40% of adults smoked in 1965, according to the Centers for Disease Control. By 2011, 19% did.
35. In 1900, 44% of all American jobs were in farming. Today, around 2% are. We've become so efficient at the basic need of feeding ourselves that nearly half the population can now work on other stuff.
36. One of the reasons Social Security and Medicare are underfunded is that the average American is living longer than ever before. I think this is literally the best problem to have.
37. In 1940, less than 5% of the adult population held a bachelor's degree or higher. By 2012, more than 30% did, according to the Census Bureau.
38. U.S. oil production in September was the highest it's been since 1989, and growth shows no sign of slowing. We produced 57% more oil in America in September 2013 than we did in September 2007. The International Energy Agency projects that America will be the world's largest oil producer as soon as 2015.
39. The average American car got 13 miles per gallon in 1975, and more than 26 miles per gallon in 2013, according to the Energy Protection Agency. This has an effect identical to cutting the cost of gasoline in half.
40. Annual inflation in the United States hasn't been above 10% since 1981 and has been below 5% in 77% of years over the past seven decades. When you consider all the hatred directed toward the Federal Reserve, this is astounding.
41. The percentage of Americans age 65 and older who live in poverty has dropped from nearly 30% in 1966 to less than 10% by 2010. For the elderly, the war on poverty has pretty much been won.
42. Adjusted for inflation, the average monthly Social Security benefit for retirees has increased from $378 in 1940 to $1,277 by 2010. What used to be a safety net is now a proper pension.
43. If you think Americans aren't prepared for retirement today, you should have seen what it was like a century ago. In 1900, 65% of men over age 65 were still in the labor force. By 2010, that figure was down to 22%. The entire concept of retirement is unique to the past few decades. Half a century ago, most Americans worked until they died.
44. From 1920 to 1980, an average of 395 people per 100,000 died from famine worldwide each decade. During the 2000s, that fell to three per 100,000, according to The Economist.
45. The cost of solar panels has declined by 75% since 2008, according to the Department of Energy. Last I checked, the sun is offering its services for free.
46. As recently as 1950, nearly 40% of American homes didn't have a telephone. Today, there are 500 million Internet-connected devices in America, or enough for 5.7 per household.
47. According to AT&T archives and the Dallas Fed, a three-minute phone call from New York to San Francisco cost $341 in 1915, and $12.66 in 1960, adjusted for inflation. Today, Republic Wireless offers unlimited talk, text, and data for $5 a month.
48. In 1990, the American auto industry produced 7.15 vehicles per auto employee. In 2010 it produced 11.2 vehicles per employee. Manufacturing efficiency has improved dramatically.
49. You need an annual income of $34,000 a year to be in the richest 1% of the world, according to World Bank economist Branko Milanovic's 2010 book The Haves and the Have-Nots. To be in the top half of the globe you need to earn just $1,225 a year. For the top 20%, it's $5,000 per year. Enter the top 10% with $12,000 a year. To be included in the top 0.1% requires an annual income of $70,000. America's poorest are some of the world's richest.
50. Only 4% of humans get to live in America. Odds are you're one of them. We've got it made. Be thankful

But yeah it still doesn't mean there's any point to anything...so you can still be all nihilist n shit.
 

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Thats a great list Sixup, thanks for posting it here!

Ever hear of the 100th monkey experiment? look it up, cut and dry proof that we have some kind of collective conscience. I dug way into that, i found some amazing studies, new and old, about crystal earth and fluctuating gravity and magnetic fields.

Here is some other chewy bits, censored ted talks that got pulled for some reason.
The information i was able to glean from researching topics talked about here was nothing short of amazing.
https://youtu.be/4gFi285OhrQ

https://youtu.be/s42vuf0ahU8

If something interests me i dig into it, and if the topic doesn't stand up to my scrutiny by not supporting its self, i stop contemplating it.
 

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Empty comment, as is usual in these instances.

Not as empty as the paranoid ramblings of evangelical activist Constance Cumbey ;)
 

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Not as empty as the paranoid ramblings of evangelical activist Constance Cumbey ;)

just watched her presentation

my christian views make me wonder about the spirit of fear and self deception
how can i be christian if i do not accept my uncertainty to seeking hidden personal truth not exterior to myself.

Jerimiah INFP

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I feel like they are certainly going to make a push for it, and that's why we feel such political unrest in the world today. But i can only hope they will fail in the end and do what i can to keep my mind free. I think a lot is going to happen by the end of this year, better pull your stocks and clench your butcheeks.

Have you seen what is going on in west nowadays? Downright thoughtcrime at places really. Not that this is particularly uncommon, not allowing free thought and influencing things towards that aim has always been the norm. Just look at china they are experts, control your actions and control your thoughts. I find the speculations behind a rating system on everything you do online particularly disturbing.

We have been in a period of time where free thought has been particularly prevalent, mostly because there has been no good way to make people conform, with the information revolution that will change, honestly I don't imagine a free web existing if anti-soviet propaganda was still going strong, for a brief period there has been no scapegoat but now they are being found to make sure to limit free thought again, to conformity as is the norm and what's worse with how interconnected everything has gotten that will be easier than ever.

Maybe even better than china as an example is Russia. I feel like they have truly mastered the art of information age propaganda. So far internet and other new age media has been a way of exchanging ideas and develop free thought but people are learning better how to use it for propaganda and thought conformity purposes. As far as the west is concerned all it takes is one massive "disaster" to bring this out in full, much like it already has in russia and china.

I really only see things getting more repressive as time goes on and god forbid a "massive disaster" occurs, that would just be the nail in the coffin. Still the repressiveness is probably going to be a slow process due to the influence of the past decades and who knows maybe something will happen to change the way things are progressing.

Where there is room for abuse, things will be abused, it's an inevitability and the potential for abuse gets bigger the more connected and dependant on technology we become.
 

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I wish i had the energy to better keep up with current events, but i find its a black hole of my energy, i only want the truth so if i take interest i have to read hundreds of articles abit the subject in question and all related articles. And even then i don't feel like i have gleaned much truth out of it. Can someone make a newspage that treats politics and current events like we do science, with just facts, nothing else? I know thats too much to ask, but still, news articles are nothing but opinions muttled by biases and emotions.
You are right by saying that the more dependent on technology we are the more we subject ourselves to control. But i think on the other hand i believe the truth will be conveyed quicker and in a less controllable way. This puts those who would deceive in a tight spot, if they totally contain the information, the more explosive it will be when it is leaked.
you can see what google knows about you here.
http://www.google.com/settings/ads/
and other cool things.
http://tools.google.com/dlpage/gaoptout
They have been tracking you
https://maps.google.com/locationhistory
 

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Ah, but gleaming the truth in the sea of biased articles and opinions is what we INTPs are for. ;)
 

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Not as empty as the paranoid ramblings of evangelical activist Constance Cumbey ;)

I don't accept brush stroke rebuttals. That's a fine way to omit the facts.
If you want to challenge/rebuke her work, you'll have to be more specific.

And yes, she has a Christian world view, however that doesn't make her any less of a contributor, unless you are claiming that your, (who ever made the comment), world view is superior?

The truth stands on it's own merit, and you do not have to be a supporter of Constance, or who ever else, in order to be a supporter of the truth.
 

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I'm not the one claiming that holistic health centers are recruiting grounds for New Age Nazis who plan to overthrow the government and install a new regime, aligned with the values of Hitler.

Did someone say baseless fear mongering?
 

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Lots of negativity about the future in here. You people been reading too much internet doom and gloom. Let me try to help balance you out...

A bunch of reasons why we are living in the best period in human history:
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/01/29/50-reasons-were-living-through-the-greatest-period.aspx

I recently talked to a doctor who retired after a 30-year career. I asked him how much medicine had changed during the three decades he practiced. "Oh, tremendously," he said. He listed off a dozen examples. Deaths from heart disease and stroke are way down. Cancer survival rates are way up. We're better at diagnosing, treating, preventing, and curing disease than ever before.
Consider this: In 1900, 1% of American women giving birth died in labor. Today, the five-year mortality rate for localized breast cancer is 1.2%. Being pregnant 100 years ago was almost as dangerous as having breast cancer is today.
The problem, the doctor said, is that these advances happen slowly over time, so you probably don't hear about them. If cancer survival rates improve, say, 1% per year, any given year's progress looks low, but over three decades, extraordinary progress is made.
Compare health-care improvements with the stuff that gets talked about in the news -- NBC anchor Andrea Mitchell interrupted a Congresswoman last week to announce Justin Bieber's arrest -- and you can understand why Americans aren't optimistic about the country's direction. We ignore the really important news because it happens slowly, but we obsess over trivial news because it happens all day long.
Expanding on my belief that everything is amazing and nobody is happy, here are 50 facts that show we're actually living through the greatest period in world history.
1. U.S.life expectancy at birth was 39 years in 1800, 49 years in 1900, 68 years in 1950, and 79 years today. The average newborn today can expect to live an entire generation longer than his great-grandparents could.
2. A flu pandemic in 1918 infected 500 million people and killed as many as 100 million. In his book The Great Influenza, John Barry describes the illness as if "someone were hammering a wedge into your skull just behind the eyes, and body aches so intense they felt like bones breaking." Today, you can go to Safeway and get a flu shot. It costs 15 bucks. You might feel a little poke.
3. In 1950, 23 people per 100,000 Americans died each year in traffic accidents, according to the Census Bureau. That fell to 11 per 100,000 by 2009. If the traffic mortality rate had not declined, 37,800 more Americans would have died last year than actually did. In the time it will take you to read this article, one American is alive who would have died in a car accident 60 years ago.
4. In 1949, Popular Mechanics magazine made the bold prediction that someday a computer could weigh less than 1 ton. I wrote this sentence on an iPad that weighs 0.73 pounds.
5. The average American now retires at age 62. One hundred years ago, the average American died at age 51. Enjoy your golden years -- your ancestors didn't get any of them.
6. In his 1770s book The Wealth of Nations, Adam Smith wrote: "It is not uncommon in the highlands of Scotland for a mother who has borne 20 children not to have 2 alive." Infant mortality in America has dropped from 58 per 1,000 births in 1933 to less than six per 1,000 births in 2010, according to the World Health Organization. There are about 11,000 births in America each day, so this improvement means more than 200,000 infants now survive each year who wouldn't have 80 years ago. That's like adding a city the size of Boise, Idaho, every year.
7. America averaged 20,919 murders per year in the 1990s, and 16,211 per year in the 2000s, according to the FBI. If the murder rate had not fallen, 47,000 more Americans would have been killed in the last decade than actually were. That's more than the population of Biloxi, Miss.
8. Despite a surge in airline travel, there were half as many fatal plane accidents in 2012 than there were in 1960, according to the Aviation Safety Network.
9. No one has died from a new nuclear weapon attack since 1945. If you went back to 1950 and asked the world's smartest political scientists, they would have told you the odds of seeing that happen would be close to 0%. You don't have to be very imaginative to think that the most important news story of the past 70 years is what didn't happen. Congratulations, world.
10. People worry that the U.S. economy will end up stagnant like Japan's. Next time you hear that, remember that unemployment in Japan hasn't been above 5.6% in the past 25 years, its government corruption ranking has consistently improved, incomes per capita adjusted for purchasing power have grown at a decent rate, and life expectancy has risen by nearly five years. I can think of worse scenarios.
11. Two percent of American homes had electricity in 1900. J.P Morgan (the man) was one of the first to install electricity in his home, and it required a private power plant on his property. Even by 1950, close to 30% of American homes didn't have electricity. It wasn't until the 1970s that virtually all homes were powered. Adjusted for wage growth, electricity cost more than 10 times as much in 1900 as it does today, according to professor Julian Simon.
12. According to the Federal Reserve, the number of lifetime years spent in leisure -- retirement plus time off during your working years -- rose from 11 years in 1870 to 35 years by 1990. Given the rise in life expectancy, it's probably close to 40 years today. Which is amazing: The average American spends nearly half his life in leisure. If you had told this to the average American 100 years ago, that person would have considered you wealthy beyond imagination.
13. We are having a national discussion about whether a $7.25-per-hour minimum wage is too low. But even adjusted for inflation, the minimum wage was less than $4 per hour as recently as the late 1940s. The top 1% have captured most of the wage growth over the past three decades, but nearly everyone has grown richer -- much richer -- during the past seven decades.
14. In 1952, 38,000 people contracted polio in America alone, according to the Centers for Disease Control. In 2012, there were fewer than 300 reported cases of polio in the entire world.
15. From 1920 to 1949, an average of 433,000 people died each year globally from "extreme weather events." That figure has plunged to 27,500 per year, according to Indur Goklany of the International Policy Network, largely thanks to "increases in societies' collective adaptive capacities."
16. Worldwide deaths from battle have plunged from 300 per 100,000 people during World War II, to the low teens during the 1970s, to less than 10 in the 1980s, to fewer than one in the 21st century, according to Harvard professor Steven Pinker. "War really is going out of style," he says.
17. Median household income adjusted for inflation was around $25,000 per year during the 1950s. It's nearly double that amount today. We have false nostalgia about the prosperity of the 1950s because our definition of what counts as "middle class" has been inflated -- see the 34% rise in the size of the median American home in just the past 25 years. If you dig into how the average "prosperous" American family lived in the 1950s, I think you'll find a standard of living we'd call "poverty" today.
18. Reported rape per 100,000 Americans dropped from 42.3 in 1991 to 27.5 in 2010, according to the FBI. Robbery has dropped from 272 per 100,000 in 1991 to 119 in 2010. There were nearly 4 million fewer property crimes in 2010 than there were in 1991, which is amazing when you consider the U.S. population grew by 60 million during that period.
19. According to the Census Bureau, only one in 10 American homes had air conditioning in 1960. That rose to 49% in 1973, and 89% today -- the 11% that don't are mostly in cold climates. Simple improvements like this have changed our lives in immeasurable ways.
20. Almost no homes had a refrigerator in 1900, according to Frederick Lewis Allan's The Big Change, let alone a car. Today they sell cars with refrigerators in them.
21. Adjusted for overall inflation, the cost of an average round-trip airline ticket fell 50% from 1978 to 2011, according to Airlines for America.
22. According to the Census Bureau, the average new home now has more bathrooms than occupants.
23. According to the Census Bureau, in 1900 there was one housing unit for every five Americans. Today, there's one for every three. In 1910 the average home had 1.13 occupants per room. By 1997 it was down to 0.42 occupants per room.
24. According to professor Julian Simon, the average American house or apartment is twice as large as the average house or apartment in Japan, and three times larger than the average home or apartment in Russia.
25. Relative to hourly wages, the cost of an average new car has fallen fourfold since 1915, according to professor Julian Simon.
26. Google Maps is free. If you think about this for a few moments, it's really astounding. It's probably the single most useful piece of software ever invented, and it's free for anyone to use.
27. High school graduation rates are at a 40-year high, according to Education Week.
28. The death rate from strokes has declined by 75% since the 1960s, according to the National Institutes of Health. Death from heart attacks has plunged, too: If the heart attack survival had had not declined since the 1960s, the number of Americans dying each year from heart disease would be more than 1 million higher than it currently is.
29. In 1900, African Americans had an illiteracy rate of nearly 45%, according to the Census Bureau. Today, it's statistically close to zero.
30. People talk about how expensive college is today, but a century ago fewer than one in 20 Americans ever stepped foot in a university. College wasn't an option at any price for some minorities because of segregation just six decades ago.
31. The average American work week has declined from 66 hours in 1850, to 51 hours in 1909, to 34.8 today, according to the Federal Reserve. Enjoy your weekend.
32. Incomes have grown so much faster than food prices that the average American household now spends less than half as much of its income on food as it did in the 1950s. Relative to wages, the price of food has declined more than 90% since the 19th century, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
33. As of March 2013, there were 8.99 million millionaire households in the U.S., according to the Spectrum Group. Put them together and they would make the largest city in the country, and the 18th largest city in the world, just behind Tokyo. We talk a lot about wealth concentration in the United States, but it's not just the very top that has done well.
34. More than 40% of adults smoked in 1965, according to the Centers for Disease Control. By 2011, 19% did.
35. In 1900, 44% of all American jobs were in farming. Today, around 2% are. We've become so efficient at the basic need of feeding ourselves that nearly half the population can now work on other stuff.
36. One of the reasons Social Security and Medicare are underfunded is that the average American is living longer than ever before. I think this is literally the best problem to have.
37. In 1940, less than 5% of the adult population held a bachelor's degree or higher. By 2012, more than 30% did, according to the Census Bureau.
38. U.S. oil production in September was the highest it's been since 1989, and growth shows no sign of slowing. We produced 57% more oil in America in September 2013 than we did in September 2007. The International Energy Agency projects that America will be the world's largest oil producer as soon as 2015.
39. The average American car got 13 miles per gallon in 1975, and more than 26 miles per gallon in 2013, according to the Energy Protection Agency. This has an effect identical to cutting the cost of gasoline in half.
40. Annual inflation in the United States hasn't been above 10% since 1981 and has been below 5% in 77% of years over the past seven decades. When you consider all the hatred directed toward the Federal Reserve, this is astounding.
41. The percentage of Americans age 65 and older who live in poverty has dropped from nearly 30% in 1966 to less than 10% by 2010. For the elderly, the war on poverty has pretty much been won.
42. Adjusted for inflation, the average monthly Social Security benefit for retirees has increased from $378 in 1940 to $1,277 by 2010. What used to be a safety net is now a proper pension.
43. If you think Americans aren't prepared for retirement today, you should have seen what it was like a century ago. In 1900, 65% of men over age 65 were still in the labor force. By 2010, that figure was down to 22%. The entire concept of retirement is unique to the past few decades. Half a century ago, most Americans worked until they died.
44. From 1920 to 1980, an average of 395 people per 100,000 died from famine worldwide each decade. During the 2000s, that fell to three per 100,000, according to The Economist.
45. The cost of solar panels has declined by 75% since 2008, according to the Department of Energy. Last I checked, the sun is offering its services for free.
46. As recently as 1950, nearly 40% of American homes didn't have a telephone. Today, there are 500 million Internet-connected devices in America, or enough for 5.7 per household.
47. According to AT&T archives and the Dallas Fed, a three-minute phone call from New York to San Francisco cost $341 in 1915, and $12.66 in 1960, adjusted for inflation. Today, Republic Wireless offers unlimited talk, text, and data for $5 a month.
48. In 1990, the American auto industry produced 7.15 vehicles per auto employee. In 2010 it produced 11.2 vehicles per employee. Manufacturing efficiency has improved dramatically.
49. You need an annual income of $34,000 a year to be in the richest 1% of the world, according to World Bank economist Branko Milanovic's 2010 book The Haves and the Have-Nots. To be in the top half of the globe you need to earn just $1,225 a year. For the top 20%, it's $5,000 per year. Enter the top 10% with $12,000 a year. To be included in the top 0.1% requires an annual income of $70,000. America's poorest are some of the world's richest.
50. Only 4% of humans get to live in America. Odds are you're one of them. We've got it made. Be thankful

But yeah it still doesn't mean there's any point to anything...so you can still be all nihilist n shit.

Ah yes the glorious state of north columbusia is doing so good for itself, so this whole planet must be one goofy funland filled with smiling humanoids.

Meanwhile I see millionaires walk through dog shit with their designers shoes, casually strolling past beggars while admiring the designated places that tourists are wont to admire.
I see people burned alive for supporting different political parties, I see impoverished children hunting for locusts, their ribs sticking out from under their withered skins.

So you mystic blokes wish to attain the ultimate truth?
There is none, everything is uncertain.
Our scope is, and will always be, limited.

Nihilism is closer to the truth simply because it does away with the soft delusions that our minds conjure up to counter our inner doubts and inadequacies.

Just because you arent going to find yer truth, though, does not mean ye have to be all depressed and shit.

Get drunk, attain some friends, enjoy life before yer corpse rots into the earth.
If you disagree, well, I truly dont give a fuck.
 

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Ah yes the glorious state of north columbusia is doing so good for itself, so this whole planet must be one goofy funland filled with smiling humanoids.

Meanwhile I see millionaires walk through dog shit with their designers shoes, casually strolling past beggars while admiring the designated places that tourists are wont to admire.
I see people burned alive for supporting different political parties, I see impoverished children hunting for locusts, their ribs sticking out from under their withered skins.

So you mystic blokes wish to attain the ultimate truth?
There is none, everything is uncertain.
Our scope is, and will always be, limited.

Nihilism is closer to the truth simply because it does away with the soft delusions that our minds conjure up to counter our inner doubts and inadequacies.

Just because you arent going to find yer truth, though, does not mean ye have to be all depressed and shit.

Get drunk, attain some friends, enjoy life before yer corpse rots into the earth.
If you disagree, well, I truly dont give a fuck.

Meh. You'll choose to see whatever you want to see.

Yeah there are injustices and really shitty situations in the world. But bitching about it on the internet does nothing to change it. Go do something about it. Or don't. Like you say, the universe doesn't give a shit either way.
 

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https://youtu.be/hTLZ96gqQ6w

http://www.kurzweilai.net/forums/topic/how-to-get-setai-back-to-kurzweilai-forum

>I don't understand why Transhumanists are still debating old ideas about life extension and uploading when we can see now what will most likely unfold based on the state of surgical tech- smart phones- and 3D printing-

in about 5-10 years brain/head transplants will start happening for the rich- but by the late 2020s - just a few years later- ubiquitous internal drug based and external wifi based neural interfaces will UNINTENTIONALLY allow anyone to expand outward- not simply upload out of the brain and - not into computers- but into each other- hive mind and cybernetic brain/software gestalts- the natural processes of the brain absorbing any signals connected to it as itself- and the "noncompromise" of accepting the strongest and fastest signal response - will automatically cause people to upload into the network- consciously - not through copying- and result in the imaginal realms assumed to arise from Virtual Reality and the superintelligence that is falsely attributed to AGI-

the Noomatrix emerging from Social Media will also manifest and amplify many other phenomena that are unintended and unpredicted because of materialist myopia- cyberpsionics - first telepathy and precognition - then real telekinesis and quantum telematerialization- as well as the discovery of and connection to the "spirit realms" sustained by the geomagnetic Schumann Resonance- the erasure of the boundaries between the living and even the ancient dead- and also the connection to all life in the Multiverse through mature quantum computation-

I finally wrote something about politics and economics-

> Human societies have unfortunately developed their political and economic systems based on the inherent weakness of the species and scarcity of natural resources - as a result- the most desired political and economic goals of society have been positioned to be inversely proportional- in opposition- thus our greatest political aims: social justice for all and freedom- are opposed- the more society's institutions protect and advocate for social justice- the less freedom there is for the people to pursue competitive socioeconomic strategies- likewise the more freedom people have to employ such strategies the less social justice will obtain as people are free to discriminate based on bigotry and take advantage of each other's weaknesses-

the same issue afflicts our economics- the two great ideals are capitalism and collectivism- the desire for a free market where everone can compete for wealth and the opposite desire for a society where everyone has an equal share in resources so no one is oppressed-

there can be no solution to this dilemma within the current socioeconomic paradigms because of this opposition of goals and resource limits - however there is an automatic fix to this situation in the maturation of information technology - once society truly enters the Information Age where all of nature's resorces are easily harnessed through nanotechnology and individuals become cyberswarms of human flesh and mind wirelessly connected to sophisticated machine agencies - all of the economic and political strategies collapse into a singularity themselves- and are no longer opposed-

you have politics with both maximal social justice AND freedom- since every homeless person and African orphan will have the ability to freely absorb and expand their personal cyberswarms with agencies to generate and manage income and procure resources - any weaknesses augmented so that every individual has the savvy and strength to protect and enrich themselves- no more need for governments to provide safety-nets and legal protections as post-human cyberswarm artilects possess their own safety nets and legal advocates- and each would have the resources to be truly free to build their own Private Idahos- their own sovereign realms-

mature information technology also causes extreme capitalism to converge with extreme collectivism- each individual cyberswarm will be a network of corporations- generating revenue streams through personal fabrication with later generations of 3D printing- cheap and ubiquitous solar power commodities - caches of investment capital- computational resources- when every being is a multi-corporation invisibly controlled and managed by software applications running in the background - the result looks just like extreme global collectivism- people will appear to be freely sharing their wealth- forming co-ops- while the software handles all the economic planning and trading in the virtual shadows- public contract backed digital currencies flowing between corporate networks in metacomplex choreography that actually allows the limitless resources of sunlight and computation to drive limitless growth and wealth in the planetary ecomatrix- using hyperintelligence to ensure an economic paradigm with no losers- no failure- only levels of success-

but of course- as with all things- an ideal economic utopia cannot be acheived in the realworld- but a situation with an accepted minimum that at least prevents death and suffering from socioeconomic disadvantage should be achievable- where instead of homelessness and poverty we have humble cyberswarms that only sustain and maintain the basic needs of that individual- while others reach for empires among the stars- life in society would change from a brutal game of chess with sacrificial pawns to an ethically and intelligently balanced free-to-play-RPG - where the basic freeware cyberswarm can sustain you and get you successfully through the game- and the ambitious have endless opportunities to access premium content-
 

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OP's in a good mood. Reading Sixup's list got me happier about the future. Still not sure about the US specifically. I'll maintain my distance from 'Merica. As for the Aquarian Age, good thing I was born in January! Let's get our scientists, doctors, and engineers on these predicted discoveries and hope the world gets better for Intuitives.
 

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I'm not the one claiming that holistic health centers are recruiting grounds for New Age Nazis who plan to overthrow the government and install a new regime, aligned with the values of Hitler.

Did someone say baseless fear mongering?

Yea, you just did. There is a fine line between reporting the pertinent and then fear mongering.

Most Americans appear to have missed the memo when they absorbed and implemented Nazi operations and procedures from the 1950's onwards. You should be thankful that there are people out there who are willing to risk them selves in order to bring the 'current' practices to the attention of the populace. Or, is it preferable to be doomed by repeating history?

What's all this non-sense on this site about Hitler being responsible for Nazi Ideology? Hitler was the face of the PR, chosen by men far 'greater' than he.
When people stop white washing these facts to the side as 'conspiracy theory', they will start to see the true political structure behind these idea's.

That's not going to be accomplished fear mongering descriptions just as:

I'm not the one claiming that holistic health centres are recruiting grounds for New Age Nazis who plan to overthrow the government and install a new regime, aligned with the values of Hitler.

The only difference between the information being presented academically and 'fear mongeringly' is how the communicator wishes to express it, as you have demonstrated for us.
 

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In America, we have the baby-boomers. That means a bunch of older Americans are reaching retirement age. Even though their opinion carries more weight, it has reached a critical point where the younger generations are taking over. So stuff like racism, and gays not being able to marry are changing. This is an example of a small but significant shift in history.

If you look at the ebbs-and-flows throughout history, you can see that there would be a time where these flows converge. At a time of convergence, there is a lot of friction. If you consider everything as a form of consciousness, then you would call a convergence a time of cognitive dissonance.

Basically, Earth has hit a point of critical mass. The only direction we can go is to heal the planet. If we continue in a direction of destruction, then at some point Earth will force us in the other direction.

All life and consciousness, and even physics follow a pattern. Unfortunately, psychology isn't science, and neither is anything else that's unprovable. It doesn't mean that there is no weight, or value to understanding these "mystical" things.

I agree, that there are a lot of people who take these flows of consciousness and energies to another level. They are abstractions to explain these things. Archetypes are a common theme between these different abstractions. Even Jung used Astrology in his practice when he needed to see things from another perspective.

Believing that the Sun and the Moon have an effect on psychology is not absurd. Using positions of other masses in the universe to make sense of the aggregate changes in psychology over a longer period of time is also not absurd. It's like using the hands on the clock to tell when there's going to be traffic on the freeway. Do the hands on the clock control traffic... No. However, using the positions of the hands to make predictions on traffic conditions is perfectly valid.

I could go on and on about this stuff... It's super interesting to me and I do plan on continuing my understanding. It is very helpful in understanding psychology of humans, plants, animals, and organizations. People are part of a self organizing organism. Our innards are part of a self organizing system. Physics, metaphysics, and everything are all part of self organizing systems. Astrology is a way of understanding how these things interact on a large, aggregate level. Not so great on an individual level so just looking at your Sun sign is not a good idea. The narrative of how these models interact is the same among all forms of life, and even physics.
 

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Most Americans appear to have missed the memo when they absorbed and implemented Nazi operations and procedures from the 1950's onwards. You should be thankful that there are people out there who are willing to risk them selves in order to bring the 'current' practices to the attention of the populace. Or, is it preferable to be doomed by repeating history?

What's all this non-sense on this site about Hitler being responsible for Nazi Ideology? Hitler was the face of the PR, chosen by men far 'greater' than he.
When people stop white washing these facts to the side as 'conspiracy theory', they will start to see the true political structure behind these idea's.

That's not going to be accomplished fear mongering descriptions just as:



The only difference between the information being presented academically and 'fear mongeringly' is how the communicator wishes to express it, as you have demonstrated for us.

Fluoride causes the pineal gland (known to ancient philosophers as the "seat of consciousness" or the 3rd eye) in your brain to calcify, basically becoming a rock.
The US did extensive research on top of the recovered natzi research. The scary thing is, fluoride was added into our water in 1945, the same year ww2 ended.
The conspiracy, weather its true or not, is that it was originally used in the water of concentration camps to pacify the jews. The book that allegedly stated this was rewritten to exclude this fact, or so it is said.
 
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