Self Entitlement?

[Thurlor]

What does a thief think when something of theirs is stolen? Do they accept it as karma or are they pissed off and indignant?

How does a bully respond to being bullied? Are they likely to have an epiphany regarding their behavior?

Do liars resent being lied to? Why?

What sort of mental gymnastics are required for people to live in such a way?

 

[Cognisant]

The reptilian brain sees the world as comprised of three things, things you eat, things you fuck and things that'll fucking eat you, now the neocortex figures out all manner of complex ways to associate everything we see, hear and feel but ultimately relevance is determined by the reptilian core, thus everything we pay attention to is in some way relevant to eating, fucking or being fucked/eaten.

So of course we feel entitled, that's the brains job, if you don't feel like the world should grovel at your feet and sate your every desire then you're in denial and your brain isn't doing it's job properly.

 

[Hadoblado]

I think the main mechanism is separation of us vs them. I steal from large corporations, but would be heart broken if my friends stole from me.

 

[SpaceYeti]

It's basically how Habulobalusaur said; It's okay to steal from "them", or to lie to "them", especially in defense of "us", but especially for the benefit of "me". It's especially so when "they" don't understand "our position".

 

[Hadoblado]

Habulobalusaur

-_-

I need a new user.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

What does a thief think when something of theirs is stolen? Do they accept it as karma or are they pissed off and indignant?

How does a bully respond to being bullied? Are they likely to have an epiphany regarding their behavior?

Do liars resent being lied to? Why?

What sort of mental gymnastics are required for people to live in such a way?

A thief accepts it as karma. A bully exacts revenge after indulging in self-hatred. A liar seeks truth. These are not mutually exclusive.

The answer to your last question is risk assessment.

 

[Thurlor]

Thanks for the replies to my rather dull questions. Not sure what I was hoping to get from this.

So, it's human nature and we/I should accept it.

I wonder how the 'good/honest' portion of humanity manages not to do 'bad'.

 

[BigApplePi]

I wonder how the 'good/honest' portion of humanity manages not to do 'bad'.

Thieves, bullying and liars.

Partly from tradition. Elders give guidance and state those things are bad. This "guidance" has to be general. If cases are found without guidance, perhaps action is random up to the point where these particular moralities have not been instilled. Then we will buy what we learn from experience: we will be bad and good. This accounts for holes in our morality where we will be "bad."

 

[DrGregoryHouse]

The reptilian brain sees the world as comprised of three things, things you eat, things you fuck and things that'll fucking eat you, now the neocortex figures out all manner of complex ways to associate everything we see, hear and feel but ultimately relevance is determined by the reptilian core, thus everything we pay attention to is in some way relevant to eating, fucking or being fucked/eaten.

So of course we feel entitled, that's the brains job, if you don't feel like the world should grovel at your feet and sate your every desire then you're in denial and your brain isn't doing it's job properly.

agreed except the prefrontal cortex is the part which sets apart the human animals from the homo SAPIENS (the select few with a transcendent soul).

ie animals are perfectly justified in being animals. If a human is to be more than animal, he/she must transcend the reptilian core.

Thus in reply to the OP, I'd say that thieves and other various criminals on the spectrum all the way to adulterous murderers (excepting those such as Jean Valjeans who do what they have to in order to feed somebody they love) do the things they do precisely because they have not transcended their animal/ reptilian core. They are mere animals encased in a typically animal flesh.

Let them do themselves in. This life is a test. God (higher ordering power of the universe) does not need them in the long run. They will self select out in this life as they pursue motivations and goals of the lower orders. In the next life all the humans with nothing more than reptilian brains (zombies with no soul) won't be advancing to the next stage of consciousness with the likes of Socrates et al. This is why Jesus was not afraid to die (indeed knew it was desirable to die as a martyr to the truth). This is why Obi-wan strategically submitted to his physical death in the time place and manner of death.

...and this is why the inverse is true: why all the animals enslaved to their reptilian core walking amongst the masses of humanoids on planet earth are terrified of their inevitable death (and thus seek to postpone it at all costs).

 

[TimeAsylums]

What does a thief think when something of theirs is stolen? Do they accept it as karma or are they pissed off and indignant?

How does a bully respond to being bullied? Are they likely to have an epiphany regarding their behavior?

Do liars resent being lied to? Why?

What sort of mental gymnastics are required for people to live in such a way?

I imagine 90% of them have some (irrational) reasoning behind it, but I would(could) do these things "just because," why reason when you just can.

 

[Marshall]

There's not much to say about hypocrites except most of them are narcissistic or just don't care. In any case, karma is a bitch.

 

[paradoxparadigm7]

I would imagine liars, bullies and thiefs when lied to, bullied and stolen from vindicates their behavior and provides justification to continue in like fashion. There are those unfortunates who need fear of punishment to help keep them in check.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

I wonder how the 'good/honest' portion of humanity manages not to do 'bad'.

They back themselves into corners, frequently due to faulty risk assessment.

There's not much to say about hypocrites except most of them are narcissistic or just don't care. In any case, karma is a bitch.

What if I told you that karma's a feel good pipe dream? One of those traps...

I would imagine liars, bullies and thiefs when lied to, bullied and stolen from vindicates their behavior and provides justification to continue in like fashion. There are those unfortunates who need fear of punishment to help keep them in check.

If they feared punishment would they have done it to begin with?

 

[paradoxparadigm7]

If they feared punishment would they have done it to begin with?

No, you're right there. The punishment is for those that have been lied to, stolen from and bullied by. Some form of retribution for the victim rather than the perpetrator. Laws sometimes have the paradoxical effect of aiding the perpetrator to concoct better ways to circumvent punishment.

I suppose the way I conceive it is those who habitually lie, steel etc...tend to have been a victim themselves that erodes and twists the cooperative potential of families and societies to one of adversary.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

I suppose the way I conceive it is those who habitually lie, steel etc...tend to have been a victim themselves that erodes and twists the cooperative potential of families and societies to one of adversary.

This is actually a model that I like... The population dynamics of criminal and normal cohorts interests me; one of those things that's further out from the human causality core than epigenetics if behavior --- epigenetics --- genetics.

Though I don't see it as passing on a bad thing; more like passing on a certain type of freedom or something.