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Salvia Divinorum
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I have used it to transition between various personalities, but stopped when I realised that I could be wasting the opportunity to learn skills consciously.
For me, it deconstructs reality in a way that no other hallucinogen does. Whereas Psilocybin, LSD, and others took me to a new and somewhat ordered realm of experience, salvia struk at the foundations of this one and forced me to watch as everything I believed was real imploded around me.
Beautiful but very, very uncomfortable. This is a drug suited for profound self-exploration and inquiry, not for feeling good or bonding with friends. I once tried it in the vicinity of an anxious, ignorant young girl; I immediately realised my mistake. Luckily, the lighter was weak enough that the hit didn't have much of an effect, but I suspect that a Salvia trip around the wrong people could be psychologically damaging.
(Edit: use a powerful butane lighter and a bong. It may not work or only work poorly if you use a normal lighter. The bong should not be glass, because you will loose control of your arms by the time you've exhaled the hit. Hold the hit in for as long as you can. Most people advise that you have a ''sitter''; I don't. Just do it on a low floor (away from balconies, staircases, and windows), when nobody is around or is going to be around for the next hour, and with nothing around that could hurt you. Locking the doors is also advisable.)
For me, it deconstructs reality in a way that no other hallucinogen does. Whereas Psilocybin, LSD, and others took me to a new and somewhat ordered realm of experience, salvia struk at the foundations of this one and forced me to watch as everything I believed was real imploded around me.
Beautiful but very, very uncomfortable. This is a drug suited for profound self-exploration and inquiry, not for feeling good or bonding with friends. I once tried it in the vicinity of an anxious, ignorant young girl; I immediately realised my mistake. Luckily, the lighter was weak enough that the hit didn't have much of an effect, but I suspect that a Salvia trip around the wrong people could be psychologically damaging.
(Edit: use a powerful butane lighter and a bong. It may not work or only work poorly if you use a normal lighter. The bong should not be glass, because you will loose control of your arms by the time you've exhaled the hit. Hold the hit in for as long as you can. Most people advise that you have a ''sitter''; I don't. Just do it on a low floor (away from balconies, staircases, and windows), when nobody is around or is going to be around for the next hour, and with nothing around that could hurt you. Locking the doors is also advisable.)
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Thanks for the description. I am still curious if I want to try this or not.
I would be using it for self-exploration, you lose feelings of you arms that fast? hehe.
I would be using it for self-exploration, you lose feelings of you arms that fast? hehe.
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A quiet room, some time to kill and something to think about.
I don't need to use drugs.
I don't need to use drugs.
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Good for you. =) (only 5% sarcasm)
Salvia, when I took 35x, was the most extreme drug experence of my life (maybe other than snorting some prepared yopo snuff). Think of reality as a deck of cards, and taking that deck in one hand, and flicking all the cards one at a time rapidlly while you're falling at terminal velocity. It's a complete ego-kill as well. Any sense of who you are, what you are, the acknoledgement of your existance and consciousness, is non-existant. This ego-kill makes the drug about pointless if you want any insight into your life or reality at all, because you can't think straight for the life of you while on it, and once it's over, the whole experence is just like a dream: once you wake up from it, your recollection quickly dissolves.
Oh, and don't get me wrong, I've done it with 10x before as well and jsut got werid gravity shifts and stretching of my enviroment and constant laughter... Which was simply annoying.
This may sound interesting, but trust me, it's far from it. Never again. But hell, try it for yourself, nothing to lose, other than 5 minutes of your time and a little bit of cash.
Oh, and don't get me wrong, I've done it with 10x before as well and jsut got werid gravity shifts and stretching of my enviroment and constant laughter... Which was simply annoying.
This may sound interesting, but trust me, it's far from it. Never again. But hell, try it for yourself, nothing to lose, other than 5 minutes of your time and a little bit of cash.
I didn't even know they sell that stuff.... The whole point (for me) to take psychedelics specifically is to change the consciousness in such a way that you would perceive that "something to think about" in a different light, in a way I normally couldn't when sober.
So next time you sit down in a quiet room, with something to think about, I recommend trying some marijuana, or LSD, and perhaps then you can see the value.
Maybe I completely misinterpreted what you're trying to say there and look like a complete dumbass in the process, in that case, oh well. =)
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Salvia was one of the most intense experiences of my life. The first time was uniquely positive and on the come-down (reconstruction?) I was able to experience an uncensored version of my self. Which gave me the courage to pursue a genuine self more in daily life.
INTP's seem to experience detachment in general but this is ego death and subsequent resurrection. I did it without a sitter with the same precautions and method that XIII mentioned.
INTP's seem to experience detachment in general but this is ego death and subsequent resurrection. I did it without a sitter with the same precautions and method that XIII mentioned.
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I did 10x once thinking I was an experienced tripper. I've done LSD and several other psychedelics, but this one blew everything else out of the water. I only took 1 hit out of a bowl (a big one though).
It pretty much instantly transported me into a place so strange concrete words can't even be used to describe it. I for some reason thought this horrifying realm was going to be where I stayed for the rest of time. I thought the veil of human perception had been lifted, and I was horribly surprised to realize unfiltered reality was completely confusing and incomprehensible.
I basically tripped balls. It was kick ass, and by far the most intense experience of my life.
It pretty much instantly transported me into a place so strange concrete words can't even be used to describe it. I for some reason thought this horrifying realm was going to be where I stayed for the rest of time. I thought the veil of human perception had been lifted, and I was horribly surprised to realize unfiltered reality was completely confusing and incomprehensible.
I basically tripped balls. It was kick ass, and by far the most intense experience of my life.
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I've used salvia many times over the past ten years. I honestly can't say I recommend it to anyone because it is profoundly uncomfortable. But to my way of thinking, if you want comfort, stay away from psychedelics to begin with.
I describe it as being torn to pieces and then put back together. After the acute intoxication, then the psychological work begins. I've figured out a lot of things in the hour or so after a salvia trip. Mostly "how I got to this point" stuff rather than "where am I headed" stuff.
Search for "salvia" on youtube. That should give you an idea of the wrong way to use salvia.
I don't want to give irresponsible advice, but I think it's better to have no sitter than a bad sitter.
I describe it as being torn to pieces and then put back together. After the acute intoxication, then the psychological work begins. I've figured out a lot of things in the hour or so after a salvia trip. Mostly "how I got to this point" stuff rather than "where am I headed" stuff.
Search for "salvia" on youtube. That should give you an idea of the wrong way to use salvia.
I don't want to give irresponsible advice, but I think it's better to have no sitter than a bad sitter.
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I have too great a fear about the tenuous connection between my neuronal states and reality to begin with. I've always figured that the guy whose brain became permanently unscrewed from his head from drugs would be me, so I've avoided them.
Mind you, I have no crusade against others doing what they will with the things. But, I figure, at the endocrinological or more simply biochemical level, there has to be a non-zero probability that such compounds could have a deleterious and permanent effect. Therefore, I won't subject myself to them.
No matter how amazing the experience, without a rock-solid, 100% guarantee that I won't be harmed, I won't mess with my brain. Of all the organs I use with some frequency, that's the one I'm most attached to.
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Mind you, I have no crusade against others doing what they will with the things. But, I figure, at the endocrinological or more simply biochemical level, there has to be a non-zero probability that such compounds could have a deleterious and permanent effect. Therefore, I won't subject myself to them.
No matter how amazing the experience, without a rock-solid, 100% guarantee that I won't be harmed, I won't mess with my brain. Of all the organs I use with some frequency, that's the one I'm most attached to.
Dave