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Rethinking the M.B.T. Indicator

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Hey crew, (excuse the bad grammar- I'm really sleepy.)

The Backstory:
So I've been thinking about the MBTI test... and of course, I hate the test. I love the theory, hate the test. It's so black and white.

I going through the test, question by question, with a friend of mine. He's an INTP in his early twenties. (I hadn't realized he was an INTP- I've known him too long, and it's difficult to type people like that.)

Here are some questions he answered.
(All the A answers are J answers, all the B answers are for P.)
(Questions from "Please Understand Me".)

Michael answered P for these questions:
6. Do you prefer to work: (A/J) to deadlines (B/P) just whenever.
7. Do you tend to choose (a/j) rather carefully (b/p) somewhat impulsively
20. Do you usually (a/j) settle things (b/p) keep options open
35. Do you put more value on the (a/j) definite (b/p) variable
41. Are you more comfortable with work (a/j) contracted (b/p) done on a casual basis.

Michael answered J for these questions:
13. Are you usually more (a/j) Punctual (b/p) leisurely
21. Are you usually rather (a/j) quick to agree to a time (b/p) reluctant to agree to a time
27. Are you more comfortable (a/j) setting a schedule (b/p) putting things off
34. Are you more prone to keep things (a/j) well organized (b/p) open-ended
42. Do you prefer things to be (a/j) neat and orderly (b/p) optional

(For the record: I think questions 14 and 28 are stupid, and we decided we had collected enough data after question 42.)

If you look at his J answers, it's really showing his Si (or Ti-Si axis) at work, so it makes it hard to identify that he is a P.
READER, do you think that his answers support the case that michael has a well developed Si, as oppose to being a J?

But clearly the test fails from this aspect. We all understand the theory- there must be a better way to do this.

I have been keeping the tests at cognitiveprocesses.com (that look at axises or cognitive functions).

Story telling questions
In the beginning of The Elder Scrolls 3 Morrowind there's a quiz that gives situations, and allows you to answer in a few different ways.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Class_Quiz

I feel like this could be a better way to present the MBTI.

And hey, a very complex way of doing this would be to write it as a choose-your-own-adventure book. It might be difficult because where you are in the test depends on your past choices. Additionally when people are not living their own life they like to experiment and try different things.

A good place to start would just be to try to write these kinds of questions for the four temperments (SP, SJ, NF, NT). E/I is really simple to figure out and P/J is difficult to figure out for introverts.Enter text here.
 

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WAIT!

Before you go any further, aren't the answers weighted? Aren't there some questions, for example, which count a lot towards N if you choose one answer but count only a little bit towards S if you choose the other?

Decaf, could you clarify this?
 

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WAIT!

Before you go any further, aren't the answers weighted? Aren't there some questions, for example, which count a lot towards N if you choose one answer but count only a little bit towards S if you choose the other?

Decaf, could you clarify this?

I'm not Decaf (thank God!), but there are a lot of different versions of the Jung typing test online and they all might be scored differently.....

I took the copyrighted MBTi, and it did appear that some answers were weighted, based on the analysis I was provided ...

There is just quite of a range within INTPians' personalities. There are different methods being used to further classify INTPians into subgroups

One of those involves ranking the individual INTPian by the relative strengths of his or her score on the 4 personality dimensions. (For example, I'm an N t i j) ....
 

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I'm not Decaf (thank God!), but there are a lot of different versions of the Jung typing test online and they all might be scored differently.....

I took the copyrighted MBTi, and it did appear that some answers were weighted, based on the analysis I was provided

So did I, and it also seemed that the answers were weighted.

I just assumed he was talking about the official MBTI test. It wouldn't make sense for him to complain otherwise.
 

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I'm not Decaf (thank God!)

You and me both buddy ;):p

You're right though. The latest version of the MBTI is better than previous versions, but the problem still exists that the answers are influenced by processes that are not being tested by the question. The Manual describes in painstaking detail how painful the process of trying to fix that has been, but its still been far from successful. That's not even taking into account the fifth unlisted dichotomy (neuroticism) having an impact on results that won't even be picked up by the test.

I think we could probably put together a pretty effective MBTI quiz that way, but it would not be easily testable, and many of the other types would not find it appealing. Still, it would be useful for sorting from the types that are inclined towards games like Elder Scrolls.
 

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There is just quite of a range within INTPians' personalities. There are different methods being used to further classify INTPians into subgroups

One of those involves ranking the individual INTPian by the relative strengths of his or her score on the 4 personality dimensions. (For example, I'm an N t i j) ....

What are the other ways to subcategorize INTPs?

The only one I've ever really thought about was to measure the individual cognitive function strengths. For example, here's mine:
functiontestso7.jpg


Also, how are you a j if you're also an INTP?
 

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Also, how are you a j if you're also an INTP?

Introverted Perceiver's dominant function is Judging. We are actually more judging than INTJs, it just doesn't seem that way from how we interact with others.
 

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What are the other ways to subcategorize INTPs?

The only one I've ever really thought about was to measure the individual cognitive function strengths. For example, here's mine:
functiontestso7.jpg


Also, how are you a j if you're also an INTP?

My Bad! Either a typo or a Freudian Slip (?)....
I was thinking of the MBTI II test
Also there are those who really get into the dominant functions subtypes
(Intp, iNtp, inTp, intP, Itpi, Nipt ect ect ect)
 
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