Raw meat diet.

[Lot]

Here is an article about a guy that does it. http://m.vice.com/read/this-guy-has-eaten-nothing-but-raw-meat-for-five-years?utm_source=vicefbus

I've heard about this in the past. It intrigued me. People often say you need to eat this and that. But they never say you should eat raw meat.

With modern refrigeration, It seems like this could actually be a sustainable diet, for a person. Before we had to cook and salt the shit out of meat to keep it safe. Now we can keep things for longer than before.

This guy eats them fresh from the farm. That ensures better quality, I can see an issue arising with the whole of our population eating this way. I don't see it as a sustainable option. Mega farms aren't conducive to healthy meat choices.

Have any of you experimented with a meat raw/cooked, or paleo deits?

I have a friend and his wife that are doing the paleo thing. They seem to really like the way they feel.

(I once ate a raw steak, by accident. It was the best steak I ever had)

 

[Hawkeye]

It is better to cook the outer edge of meat for that is where you get all the health issues caused by bacteria, etc. It's the same reason why burgers made with mincemeat should not be pink in the centre.

This is why the perfect steak is classed as rare; it's the healthiest (and tastiest) option.

 

[Thurlor]

I can barely stand the taste/texture/thought of a rare steak so I don't see me moving to raw meat anytime soon.

I can remember being in a restaurant in the town I grew up in and the waiter told me that the chef refused to 'spoil' a good steak by cooking it till it was well down. I got up and left.

 

[r4ch3l]

I loooove me some sashimi or steak tartare and order all my steak rare. But don't think I'd ave the guts (awful pun unintended) to eat raw meat from the store. Ensuring both quantity and quality would make for a very expensive diet.

 

[Quietude]

There can be parasites and bacteria in raw meat which can pass to humans if eaten that way. It is a reason why it is safest to cook meat. There really is no way to know what an animal got into their system; I have seen our farm animals eat dirt/mud, drink unsanitary water, etc. Such substances can have a lot of parasites in them. Parasites can cause nutritional loss and even anemia. So if you are still planning on eating raw meat, or have eaten any, I would suggest eating a lot of raw garlic and onions. Best cure for parasites and pretty cheap besides (if you can stomach that)!

 

[Cherry Cola]

People who order prime beef well done need to be slaughtered and served rare, that much is certain.

 

[just george]

The benefits of modern refrigeration are immediately cancelled out by the pitfalls of modern farming.

Look up cerebral encephalitis and see if you still want to eat raw steak.

 

[Cognisant]

Stone pan, make it as hot as you can, a dash of red wine, throw in a steak that's about 2cm or 2/3inch thick, 30sec one side, 30sec the other (may need to adjust time according to the heat of your pan, practice makes perfect) the result should be light brown, slightly moist (from the wine and melted fat) spongy firm and when you cut into it blood comes out, the inside is pink like Cherry Cola's avatar (well less pastel).

When buying meat don't buy packs, they're cheaper but that's because they bury crap under the few good cuts you can see, also if you notice all the meat is the same color don't shop there, find a local butcher, supermarket chains do various things to make bad meat look good.

Different cultures prefer different kinds of meat, Australians tend to eat lean meat and lots of it, the leanest of all being kangaroo which I do recommend, it's gamey and tough but very healthy and some people prefer gamey meat for the strong flavor. Other cultures like the Japanese prefer marbled meat cut up into small chunks, which is nice, I guess, there's no denying the rich fatty taste but I find it very unsatisfying, I like something I can sink my teeth into.

Crocodile is surprisingly good, the Japanese would go nuts for it if they knew about it.

 

[B.C.P.]

Yeah, him eating all that raw meat is terrible.

But that rotten raw meat, that's not worth discussing at all, guys

 

[r4ch3l]

Yeah, him eating all that raw meat is terrible.

But that rotten raw meat, that's not worth discussing at all, guys

http://youtu.be/MIrFhfyrmS4

 

[Cognisant]

Pizza is like wine, it gets better with time.
When the mushrooms start growing again then you know it's ready.

Week old salami & brie pizza, worth it

 

[B.C.P.]

http://youtu.be/MIrFhfyrmS4

With our raw meat guy from the article above and the man in this video we have extreme medical conditions involved. Just a connection at this point.

I would be interested in seeing a larger sample of people try these diets and see how they work though.

Unfortunately, the video above was so lacking in scientific reasoning (Ripley's cashing in on the sensationalism) that I find it entertaining and little else.

 

[Lot]

Stone pan, make it as hot as you can, a dash of red wine, throw in a steak that's about 2cm or 2/3inch thick, 30sec one side, 30sec the other (may need to adjust time according to the heat of your pan, practice makes perfect) the result should be light brown, slightly moist (from the wine and melted fat) spongy firm and when you cut into it blood comes out, the inside is pink like Cherry Cola's avatar (well less pastel).

When buying meat don't buy packs, they're cheaper but that's because they bury crap under the few good cuts you can see, also if you notice all the meat is the same color don't shop there, find a local butcher, supermarket chains do various things to make bad meat look good.

Different cultures prefer different kinds of meat, Australians tend to eat lean meat and lots of it, the leanest of all being kangaroo which I do recommend, it's gamey and tough but very healthy and some people prefer gamey meat for the strong flavor. Other cultures like the Japanese prefer marbled meat cut up into small chunks, which is nice, I guess, there's no denying the rich fatty taste but I find it very unsatisfying, I like something I can sink my teeth into.

Crocodile is surprisingly good, the Japanese would go nuts for it if they knew about it.

I've never had crocodile, but I have had alligator. It's not bad. I think I've had kangaroo, but I'm not sure. Here in Arizona, it's pretty easy to get ostrich. There are several large farms here.

I think I'll get a hold of one of the Mexican butcher shops here. See what I can get.

I usually just boil my meat, out of ease. I chop into small pieces, then boil. Then I add my rice. Sometimes beans, if I remembered to soak them. Speaking of soaking beans *runs to kitchen real fast*. It's not fancy, but it's food. Enough garlic and chilli powder, makes anything taste top shelf.


Also, to everyone thinking I'm going to do this. I'm not. I just thought it was interesting. The rotten meat really intrigues me. I wonder how he prepares and stores it. Where he got the idea.

 

[Pyropyro]

http://youtu.be/MIrFhfyrmS4

I think it's okay to eat "rotten" food. You just need the right microorganisms to do the decaying for you. Otherwise, you'll get a bad case of death.

 

[B.C.P.]

You would have to have an excellent ratio of gut bacteria to not get sick.

Both the article in the OP and the video Rachel posted do not provide a comprehensive view of how these diets are implemented. Are these guys taking probiotics to compensate, are they passing irregular stool, have they been tested by a doctor for any health issues? Etc.

 

[r4ch3l]

B.C.P. -- I first heard of this sort of thing in this bizarro documentary about fruitarians. There's this creepy part toward the end where one of the former fruitarians with severe health issues is eating rotten meat. It did not seem to be working for him but the fruit diet did not work either. Film is slow but interesting for...I guess...human psychology reasons?

Pure Fruit - a film by Emile Bokaer on Vimeo

I would imagine that the rotten part has to do with predigestion or restoring gut balance (perhaps this is a critical part of some animal diets?) but even if this were the reason why fermented veggies are obviously way easier and safer to prepare and eat.

http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/li...atz-the-aids-surviving-fermentation-fetishist

 

[B.C.P.]

The difference in physiology between the meat-eaters and fruitarians is telling, though there could be other factors involved.

I think perhaps as people from civilization we're used to, and indeed socially conditioned to, not eat food that has "gone bad." If these diets were truly harmful I think these people would be dead by now (though that one fruitarian who went to the hospital did seem to be ailing).

On the other hand, modern diets are producing large amounts of diabetics, and potentially heart disease as well.

The funny thing is, if my body has some sort of instinct as to what is food and what is not, why is it rejecting the raw meat and rotten foods? Is my appetite just socially determined?

I agree that there is some psychological aspect to what is going on here. Either out of extreme health reasons or personal beliefs these people are trying these diets. But notice for the guy that eats rotten foods he states, indirectly, that his trip to Alaska gave him a sort of epiphany.

Maybe the mindset of these people is also effecting their well-being, and not just the diet?

 

[just george]

The difference in physiology between the meat-eaters and fruitarians is telling, though there could be other factors involved.

I think perhaps as people from civilization we're used to, and indeed socially conditioned to, not eat food that has "gone bad." If these diets were truly harmful I think these people would be dead by now (though that one fruitarian who went to the hospital did seem to be ailing).

On the other hand, modern diets are producing large amounts of diabetics, and potentially heart disease as well.

The funny thing is, if my body has some sort of instinct as to what is food and what is not, why is it rejecting the raw meat and rotten foods? Is my appetite just socially determined?

I agree that there is some psychological aspect to what is going on here. Either out of extreme health reasons or personal beliefs these people are trying these diets. But notice for the guy that eats rotten foods he states, indirectly, that his trip to Alaska gave him a sort of epiphany.

Maybe the mindset of these people is also effecting their well-being, and not just the diet?

The first evidence of diabetes and heart disease was discovered archaeologically, and supposedly occurred when the first large scale production of carbohydrate heavy grains began. That supports the idea that humans have not been eating a diet that compliments their physiology for several thousand years.

The reason that we avoid rotten foods is because microorganisms that make food rot produce certain chemical byproducts that we can smell (most of them are carboxylic acids), and so we use our noses to determine which foods are likely to contain harmful bacteria, or the chemicals themselves (many of which are very harmful - gastroenteritis etc are caused not by the bacteria themselves, but by the endotoxin they produce, which stops your intestine absorbing water - that is why people get diarrhoeia with certain bugs).

As for why we prefer cooked food, it is because the heating process partially breaks down the food, making it easy to digest. The easier something is to digest, the better it tastes - that is why potatoes don't taste as nice as baked potatoes, which don't taste as nice as sugars made from potatoes.

The body is also set up to detect which foods are energy rich, which is why fats, which are very energy dense, taste better than grass.

So while I think you're right, there is certainly some social conditioning involved, along with food memory (your body remembers which foods are nutrient dense, which is why some foods, like caviar and avocado "grow on you" after a while), the prime determinants are physiological. Babies do, after all, prefer sweet foods over boring bland foods.

Oh, forgot to mention the pleasure center aspect of foods - foods that give you pleasure are remembered and favored (eg if you were given chocolate as a child as a reward, then you associate the pleasure of the chocolate with the pleasure of approval. The opposite is true as well - if you were served porridge while you were in military boot camp where the instructor beat you up every day, you associate all that negative stuff with porridge and don't like it anymore).

If you want to eat a diet that has been proven to compliment the human body, I advocate the Gersen diet. Dr gersen was a genius who considered the farm that food grew on to be your external metabolism, and devised a diet around that idea. People on the diet experience lots of strange stuff like sudden reversal of diabetes, cancers resolving on their own etc.

 

[B.C.P.]

The foods that these dieters are eating are certainly nutrient-dense, so that explains why they could form an appetite for them. Thank you for pointing that out, Georgie! I was too caught up in my prejudices.

I followed the Zone Diet for about a year, and used the Paleo Diet for about three months. Human physiology is so unique that one diet does not work for all people. For example, the aforementioned diets worked for me but it took a lot of personal adjustments to get there and I don't think I ever tuned them to peak effectiveness.

For example, I looked over the Gerson Diet and noticed that juicing is advocated. In my experience with juicing it feels like I just chugged a cup of coffee, then I quickly crash. I've learned that by juicing veggies and fruits you remove all of the fiber which slows down the rate at which your body absorbs the carbohydrate. So while you're getting lots of vitamins and minerals you're getting high blood sugar and a subsequent crash from the insulin response to all the sugars.

Yet, I had a friend who juiced and he always felt better when he was juicing. Then again, he had a very skinny body and could eat bread all day long and feel great. Nutritional Typing somewhat explains this by postulating that some individuals do better with a dominance of one nutrient (protein, carbohydrate or fat). My friend seemed to be a carbohydrate-type. I seem to be a protein-type.

Perhaps these gentlemen, the one in the OP specifically, are protein-types?

 

[ummidk]

If you want to eat a diet that has been proven to compliment the human body, I advocate the Gersen diet. Dr gersen was a genius who considered the farm that food grew on to be your external metabolism, and devised a diet around that idea. People on the diet experience lots of strange stuff like sudden reversal of diabetes, cancers resolving on their own etc.

Wait what? you lost me

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

Physiologically speaking, there's nothing wrong with eating anything raw. The problem is that our current processing and storage methods aren't compatible with such a lifestyle on a large scale, combined with a relatively sterile non-eating lifestyle. Bacterial epidemic awaits.

I've eaten plenty of raw meat (tender + flavor, but I prefer it warm) but only from things I've cleaned and inspected myself, and mostly deer at that.

As far as the "how" aspect of diets compared to the "what," I'd expect the "how" to be much more likely to produce a placebo effect.

"so much depends
on the red wheelbarrow microflora
beside inside the white chickens one's gutty-wuts"

kangaroo which I do recommend, it's gamey and tough but very healthy and some people prefer gamey meat for the strong flavor.

Crocodile is surprisingly good, the Japanese would go nuts for it if they knew about it.

1. Liver, cooked the way you described but less time because it's sliced thinner.

2. Agreed (though I've had gator, not crocodile). Kangaroo and emu is awesome too, as is water buffalo, zebra, bison, you name it (Safari Club International ftw). Rattlesnake and beaver too, especially beaver tail soup.

 

[Cavallier]

"so much depends
on the red wheelbarrow microflora
beside inside the white chickens one's gutty-wuts"

ROFL

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

ROFL

Glad someone appreciated that.

 

[just george]

Wait what? you lost me

Really complicated way to say "you are what you eat".

Your metabolism is the sum of all chemical reactions in your body. According to Gersen, the reactions that happen in your food before you ever eat it are part of your personal metabolism. The healthier the farm that your food came from, the healthier the first half of all the chemical reactions that affect your body.

EDIT: I wrote that while half asleep. I'll elaborate:

Your metabolism = all catabolic reactions + all anabolic reactions

ie your metabolism = all the reactions breaking something down in your body + all reactions building something in your body.

This doesn't just mean how many kilojoules of energy you use to do it - it also means how good the quality is of each reaction, and includes things like how many free radicals (bad) you produce, how many harmful chemicals you produce, how many good ones etc.

Your food has a metabolism too. The quality of your food is the quality of its metabolism.

So your foods metabolism = all the reactions breaking something down in the food when it is alive + all the reactions building something up in the food when it is alive.

According the Gerson, the human metabolism is the sum of both of those. ie:

Your metabolism = breakdown reactions in your food + build up reactions in your food + breakdown reactions in YOU + buildup reactions in YOU.

So, the better your food, the better you are. So you really are what you eat.

We could use the analogy of the engine being as good as its fuel, but that isn't quite right, because engines just burn fuel. Human beings incorporate food into themselves. We merge with our food.

When you look at your food as if it is alive, and realize that you merge with that live food, your perception of food changes, and explains why people get healthy when they eat food that is still alive ie fresh/raw

 

[just george]

The foods that these dieters are eating are certainly nutrient-dense, so that explains why they could form an appetite for them. Thank you for pointing that out, Georgie! I was too caught up in my prejudices.

I followed the Zone Diet for about a year, and used the Paleo Diet for about three months. Human physiology is so unique that one diet does not work for all people. For example, the aforementioned diets worked for me but it took a lot of personal adjustments to get there and I don't think I ever tuned them to peak effectiveness.

For example, I looked over the Gerson Diet and noticed that juicing is advocated. In my experience with juicing it feels like I just chugged a cup of coffee, then I quickly crash. I've learned that by juicing veggies and fruits you remove all of the fiber which slows down the rate at which your body absorbs the carbohydrate. So while you're getting lots of vitamins and minerals you're getting high blood sugar and a subsequent crash from the insulin response to all the sugars.

Yet, I had a friend who juiced and he always felt better when he was juicing. Then again, he had a very skinny body and could eat bread all day long and feel great. Nutritional Typing somewhat explains this by postulating that some individuals do better with a dominance of one nutrient (protein, carbohydrate or fat). My friend seemed to be a carbohydrate-type. I seem to be a protein-type.

Perhaps these gentlemen, the one in the OP specifically, are protein-types?

I still havn't watched the video - what kind of food is it? Was it cooked?

I forgot to mention that cooking can make some inedible foods edible.

Eg if the food is full of large molecules that we cannot digest, the heat of cooking can break those down into molecules that we can digest. Therefore, the nutrient density of food can increase due to cooking.

Same with dehydration - cooking evaporates water, which concentrates the nutrients left over. An example is that 1 jar of strawberry jam requires 1 bucket of strawberries to make, and so the nutrient density is compressed by dehydration as well as cooking.

(btw, I made up the 1 jar : 1 bucket ratio. I have no idea what the real number is)

As for your crashing when juicing, it depends on what you juice. Watermelon juice is super high in carbohydrates, so juicing that will result in a sugar crash.

On the other hand, if you juice something that is too nutrient dilute to actually eat, you can get good results. For example, you can't ever eat enough grass to stay alive - there just isn't enough energy in it. If you juiced the grass, the liquid produced would be full of minerals etc, but wouldn't be dense enough to cause a crash.

From what I saw of the Gersen diet, it was mainly juiced vegetables, not juiced fruit.

btw, nobody juice grass - it was just an example. Although if someone does, please take a video. I've never seen someone juice a trailer full of grass to get a single syringe of liquid

 

[Perfectly Normal Beast]

Since i don't eat meat, i come to talk about CATS, since there seem to be a lot of cat lovers here.
Cat food is junk food. It's full of carbs which they don't need at all and which make them prone to all sorts of diseases and it's nutrional content is as dubious as any other over-processed/over-cooked rubbish. If you have a cat, i urge you to look this up. I've been feeding my cats raw meat for about 4 years now and there has been a huge improvement in their health and appearance. The most amazing thing, which i didn't believe could be true when i read it is that they don't get fleas anymore - i occasionally see the odd one (which used to be a sure sign of infestation) but when i check they NEVER have any on them. Extra bonus - you can stop dousing them with pesticides, which is bad for their health and yours. (does anyone know how the flea thing works btw?)
You don't need to worry about the bacteria which would make humans sick as the cat's short digestive tract acts differently (i forget exactly how but it's easily checked).
You need a mix of flesh/organ/bone in proportions that would roughly resemble their natural prey - 'frankenprey'.
If your cat is totally unused to anything other than cat food or quite old the transition must be done carefully - there's loads of websites on this but i'm happy to answer any questions about my own experience.
1 of my cats is 17!

EDIT: I just remembered - do not give raw pork without first freezing it for a month as there may be a parasite that does harm cats and this kills it. (off to go and double check this)

btw, nobody juice grass - it was just an example. Although if someone does, please take a video. I've never seen someone juice a trailer full of grass to get a single syringe of liquid

More like a 1 bucket : 1 syringe. But Goosegrass (aka cleavers) juices very well - from about 1.5kilo (wild guess) you get a large glass of delicious bright green liquid which has the viscosity and froth of the perfect espresso and makes you feel superhuman for the day. Seriously!!

 

[Lot]

Since i don't eat meat, i come to talk about CATS, since there seem to be a lot of cat lovers here.
Cat food is junk food. It's full of carbs which they don't need at all and which make them prone to all sorts of diseases and it's nutrional content dubious. If you have a cat, i urge you to look this up. I've been feeding my cats raw meat for about 4 years now and there has been a huge improvement in their health and appearance. The most amazing thing, which i didn't believe could be true when i read it is that they don't get fleas anymore - i occasionally see the odd one (which used to be a sure sign of infestation) but when i check they NEVER have any on them. Extra bonus - you can stop dousing them with pesticides, which is bad for their health and yours. (does anyone know how the flea thing works btw?)
You don't need to worry about the bacteria which would make humans sick as the cat's short digestive tract acts differently (i forget exactly how but it's easily checked).
You need a mix of flesh/organ/bone in proportions that would roughly resemble their natural prey - 'frankenprey'.
If your cat is totally unused to anything other than cat food or quite old the transition must be done carefully - there's loads of websites on this but i'm happy to answer any questions about my own experience.
1 of my cats is 17!

My cat's like to eat my left over rice and pork. They really like rice. One of my cats eats carrots if I give them to him. Perhaps I should try the raw meat thing with them. One is too fat. The other is rib visible thin (he's the carrot eater). I love my kitties!!!!!!!!!

 

[Perfectly Normal Beast]

Here's a really great website which i used during the transition:

http://www.rawfedcats.org/practicalguide.htm

Can't seem to find the original page i read about the pork issue. It seems the potential problem is trichinosis and it's unclear whether freezing kills it. Might be best to avoid pork anyway, since pigs are not their natural prey.

My cat's like to eat my left over rice and pork. They really like rice. One of my cats eats carrots if I give them to him. Perhaps I should try the raw meat thing with them. One is too fat. The other is rib visible thin (he's the carrot eater). I love my kitties!!!!!!!!!

That's a good start as they're already interested in a variety of foods. Start off by offering them a bit of whatever meat you're about to cook. (except pork)
All my cats have really good physique (lol) except one who loves all things junk like pizza and cake...he's enormous!

 

[just george]

The most amazing thing, which i didn't believe could be true when i read it is that they don't get fleas anymore - i occasionally see the odd one (which used to be a sure sign of infestation) but when i check they NEVER have any on them. Extra bonus - you can stop dousing them with pesticides, which is bad for their health and yours. (does anyone know how the flea thing works btw?)

I'm not certain, but if I had to propose a mechanism, I would break them up into internal and external

The internal mechanism would have to do with the quality of blood changing, either so that fleas didn't like it (unlikely) or that the cat would produce some chemical that would affect the flea (more likely) or that the connective tissue in the skin changed so as to make it harder for them to latch on (maybe).

The external mechanism might have to do with a skin secretion making life difficult for the flea, or the quality of the hair changing to make life difficult for them somehow (perhaps so that they are more easily removed during grooming).

This is all hypothetical though.

More like a 1 bucket : 1 syringe. But Goosegrass (aka cleavers) juices very well - from about 1.5kilo (wild guess) you get a large glass of delicious bright green liquid which has the viscosity and froth of the perfect espresso and makes you feel superhuman for the day. Seriously!!

I'm getting pictures of funny colored teeth, for some reason

 

[Perfectly Normal Beast]

I'm getting pictures of funny colored teeth, for some reason

If by 'funny' you mean green then yes, but i think it looks pretty

If for some reason you don't want green teeth: dip toothbrush in bicarbonate of soda and brush - pearly whites restored!



(thanks for flea hypothesis, i'll try using that to look in to it again)

 

[just george]

If by 'funny' you mean green then yes, but i think it looks pretty

If for some reason you don't want green teeth: dip toothbrush in bicarbonate of soda and brush - pearly whites restored!



(thanks for flea hypothesis, i'll try using that to look in to it again)

I do! and I rinse with hydrogen peroxide 3% solution. It reversed the color of my teeth back to their original teenage color

If anyone wants to do that, it is approved as safe by the dental association, and works really well - just make sure you use pharmacy mouth grade 3% and not the hair stuff which has other chemicals in it, or the higher concentration stuff which can make your teeth sensitive for a couple of weeks. (been there, done that, not cool)

 

[B.C.P.]

You two just turned the thread into a bunch of 1950's quackery!

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

This guy eats them fresh from the farm.

So that's what the cattle mutilations really are about!

On a more serious note:
Wouldn't recommend it, the same way i wouldn't recommend raw vegetable (mostly called "raw food diet") diet.
To make my explanations brief: We are not built for it.
Our anatomy has evolved, there's no point in trying to devolve it back to where it was before we even started walking upright.
You will also make yourself very vulnerable to infections and parasites.