Rank All The S-types from best to worst:

[Spirit]

That works.

 

[Reluctantly]

Stereotypes - not mature
ISTP
ISFJ
ISFP
ISTJ
ESFP
ESTP
ESTJ
ESFJ

mature types
ISTP
ISFJ
ESFP
ESTP
ISFP
ISTJ
ESTJ
ESFJ

 

[peoplesuck]

haha <3 every time other people argue.

 

[EvilBlitz]

No offense, but I dont know how INTPs can pick ISFJ so high up the list.

1. ISTP(most consistent reasoning of S types, most likely to be fair)
2. ESTP( In general wont control you or put any bounds on you. Expecting you to be part of the team and conform while never spelling it out is annoying but you can normally tell them to get fucked and they dont hold it against you.)
3=ESTJ (Ppl might be suprised at this, but I find they have a lot of justification at times for decisions which you can debate them on. Respect you for standing up to them and stating your own beliefs, not as worried about conforming.)
3=ISFP (Operates on principles and fairly consistent, irrational though they may be. Easy to get along with in general as long as you are polite, probably 2nd most fair after ISTP)
5=.ESFJ(Just want to be liked, can be overwhelmingly conformist.)
6=ESFP( Irrational goobers, nothing really wrong with them, they can just come across as mindless meat sacks)
7. ISTJ ( Irrational, obsessed with trying to drive systems to zero, zero consistency in principles or application of them. No problem using ppl, either to do their job or as a scape goat.)
8. ISFJ (The fucking worst by a country mile, cant debate with them, cant reason with them, they dont like it. Highly irrational. Biggest brown nosers to authority of all types. Type most likely to dob in ppl, even if it means them getting in trouble too. Conformists. Worst type in a position of authority.)

 

[lonewolf]

1. ISTP(most consistent reasoning of S types, most likely to be fair)
2. ESTP( In general wont control you or put any bounds on you. Expecting you to be part of the team and conform while never spelling it out is annoying but you can normally tell them to get fucked and they dont hold it against you.)
3=ISFP (Operates on principles and fairly consistent, irrational though they may be. Easy to get along with in general as long as you are polite, probably 2nd most fair after ISTP)

I agree,

4) ESFP - not so rational and usually the "you should speak more and have fun and start doing drugs" type, but they'll leave you alone when you make it clear to them that you hate them (even if you don't).
5) ISTJ - the only one I know is Leon from Resident Evil, personally not someone I would spend much time with. Too SJ.
6) ISFJ - they're irrational and expect you to meet their emotional needs. If you don't, they will hate you for the rest of your/their life.
7) ESFJ - same as the ISFJs, but louder.
8) ESTJ - the ones who would bully you in front of everyone else just to show people that they're stronger than you. Also, they often think that if you don't like the same stuff they like there must be something extremely wrong with you, and when they feel powerful (which happens a lot) they're quite dangerous.

 

[wilsonwatsonc]

1: ISTP - still rational and don't try and suffocate me. Usually give me a new perspective on the world; make me enjoy being outside.
2: ESTP - same thing as ISTP, they respect my space a bit less, but they're still really enjoyable. They make me get out for a change.
3: ESFP - can be really passionate about whatever they're doing. Kind of inspiring, but can also get really annoying sometimes when they're a little too passionate.
4: ISFP - never met one...just kinda put it here by an assumption of how they would act.
5: ISTJ: We're starting to get into the people that just kind of piss me off. ISTJ's are too rule-driven for me. They never open their minds. The only good thing about them is that they usually keep their mouth shut.
6: ESTJ - They're always acting like they're so much better than everyone else in the room. I think they're pretty well summed up as just plain assholes.
7: ESFJ - like the ESTJ but without logic. They get angry if you question anything they do, while they berate you for not following their personal rules.

 

[wilsonwatsonc]

Missed ISFJ. I don't think I've met one before...so I have nothing to say anyway.

 

[Base groove]

Missed ISFJ. I don't think I've met one before...so I have nothing to say anyway.

You have met one before. They are everywhere,.........

and they are nowhere near as bad as posters in this thread are claiming.

They have tertiary Ti and are often quite adept at using it (no more or less than the INFJ, really).

Many types misidentify their tertiary as dominant (for this reason I'm sure there are a number of ISFJs on this site who are mistyped).

I don't see the point in this exercise if it's just an excuse to say awful things about people (as above). ISFJs really are not that bad, certainly no worse than ISTJs.

ISFJs are very easy to take advantage of and will work tirelessly to please you if you show gratitude. They are capable of arguing with logic as long as you are patient enough to let them understand that this is what we are doing (arguing, not fighting). Their Achilles' heel is that they see arguments and fighting as the same thing (at first) ... hence the need for patience.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Spoiler

@Spirit, feel free to ask questions if the examples weren't enough.


Types in real life are of course differentiated by many things including background and personality, but for the sake of this thread I think acquaintance/stranger vs close friend/relative has the most immediate effect on how one encounters the types.


SeFi: my experience with them is that they are "life of the party"/ "everyone's best friend" types and always try to maintain social cohesion in situations and truly try to help people out when in need(at least to the minimum extent). But at the same time they can be pretty reckless/thoughtless, too trusting, and occasionally deceitful when it comes to getting their way. From a distance I don't have a problem with them and can even enjoy them, but I don't think I can always depend on them.

SeTi: Similar to ESFP except with more social restraint(in the coolheaded ones) or social arrogance(in the energetic ones). Again with distance, in this case the closer we are the more I get along with them, it's like we have to go through a period of calibration of personality and social exceptions before we can see eye to eye. I would feel more comfortable with/depending on an ESTP than ESFP.

FiSe: The thing I notice the most about them is that they can be bitingly critical, but also are big on devotion and family(and control). They hold in their feelings on a day to day basis and only express either repressed anger or blunt pragmatism, though sometimes they have a creative humorous side. My personal experiences with them are positive and even though I think they go too far sometimes in being somewhat sociopathic, they've appeared to me as competent individuals who I respect and can't really blame.

SiTe:
Immediately these have been people I probably identified the most with. Just from an external perspective we are probably considered the same kind of person by the rest of the world. In my experience they were aloof yet able to navigate social situations if desired, with a passion they hold dear to themselves and gives them motivation or meaning. Very individualistic though critical/grouchy if you annoy or disturb them by approaching them the wrong way. On the negative side, they can easily disregard social aspects and are probably highly prone to full blown sociopathy if not given a lot of positive support early in life. Overall I see them as people who are "heading towards a different destination but taking the same route" as me.

TeSi:
There is only one ESTJ I'm sure of who is my dad, but every other anecdote of ESTJs sounds just like my experiences. Controlling, condescending, & critical, but also pedagogic, protective, & pragmatic. He's highly comfortable and invested in the family(has 3 sons including myself) including extended family and is also into sports. His personality is management/owner material, but on a personal level I could only respect his personality traits from a distance. Our mental faculties are too competitive in the same room and unless I choose to be subordinate we could argue endlessly because we understand situations as being only one correct way(though I'm more willing to accept the possibility of being wrong knowing that there might be more information I'm not aware of), still, regardless of disagreeing I see him as reasonable in the literal interpretation of the word.

FeSi:
Distance is again a factor here. Superficially similar to ESFPs, the difference in my experience is that ESFJs are highly intentional. Meaning they do what they do to obtain outcomes and to manage situations according to their idea of how social situations should be. Not necessarily selfish(like ESFPs) but arrogant/ignorant(like ESTJ). Familial and devoted but in a "social role" type of way rather than developing their own authentic style. In a social group they're probably one of the most respected, but I would add highly conformist and afraid of rocking the boat by being themselves.


Who I'd like to associate with (best to worse):
SeTi > FiSe > SiTe

Who I'd wouldn't like to associate with (worst to better):
FeSi > TeSi > SeFi

I have the least experience with SiFe and TiSe, so most of my conceptualizations of them are out of stereotypes or hypothesis based on theory.

Forgot to mention, if my list for introverts seems inaccurate just flip the descriptions for J/P around. A lot of my emphasis was based on how I consider the dominant perceivers(IxxJ) to be actually more easygoing on a personal level than dominant judgers(IxxP). It relates to what I believe is that people are attributing the wrong functions to type behavior.

 

[Gather_Wanderer]

Okay I'll try this, since I've been looking for a thread to vent in my recent irritation with one of these types.

ESTP - Once you get accustomed to their communication style, they're actually quite nice to have as friends. They can be short-sighted but also refreshingly logical and socially reserved compared to the rest of these. If they can rely on you to do something they need, you can rely on them.

ISTP - Similar to ESTP except with a more familiar logic. They tend to withdraw about as much as we do. They also can be quite vain at times but thankfully don't take themselves too seriously.

ISTJ - The big barrier is that they seem to have a hard time seeing things from others viewpoints and can quickly dismiss them. You can count on them to be like Batman when it comes to work ethic though. And if they haven't grown up to be exceedingly reclusive, they can be intelligent conversationalists and even good friends.

ISFP - Haven't had a close enough relationship with one of these as the others. Seem like an easy lot to respect with strong values and such. Very dedicated bunch. Guarded and quick to judge though, often without enough context. I would say they're more likely to end up on your good side than bad side, given time.

ESFP - Too smooth in social situations. Honestly, a night in Vegas with one of these will start off feeling like one to remember, but by the end of it you'll desperately want to forget everything that happened, if you haven't already abandoned their drunken ass.

ISFJ - If they are balanced in using Ti with Si, they are much easier to get along with and are often caring and thoughtful people. If not, it is much better to flee when they get worked up emotionally. There really isn't a way to win with them like that because they will ignore everything you say until they get their way, remember everything negative you say, and twist your words when they weren't actually meant to be taken that way.

ESFJ - I can see why most Ti types would not care to share their company. On a surface level, they can be nice, good people to have around, but it will be difficult to get past that surface level. Much of what they care about is how people see them. Can be irrationally competitive. If you can get them to understand the straight-forwardness of your nature right away and to be that way with you, they do fine.

ESTJ - (And here's why I entered the thread)
Someone wrote either here or somewhere else that, from a distance, they can seem an easy group to respect. That's absolutely true. They way they operate in a business sense is worth respecting, and even on a interpersonal level their systemic logic mixed with quick solution finding ability. But the key is that interactions must be limited or else they are doomed to blow up, even if you don't intend for them to.

They are about winning at all costs. We are about truth winning at all costs (and you cannot understand how frustrating that makes arguing with them, if you don't know one. You basically have to choose not to).

They, more than really any other type, like to control others. We are fiercely independent, and do not like being controlled.

When they decide they want to impose their will, I'm currently at a loss as to how to deal with them without it resulting in a blow up of some sort. There's no way you can idle and let them have their way all the time because then they'll expect it to be the standard. And when its not, they'll keep trying until it is.

Keep your goddamn distance lol

 

[Brontosaurie]

what you wrote about ESTJ is pretty much ISTJ too, except these are slippery and covert about it. work ethics? no. too narrow minded to have a conception of such things. they have some vague and most often misguided feeling of "how things are done" and expect everyone else to comply, save for superiors of course. where ethical standard and reflection would be, hypocrisy and numb habit reside. appeal to reason is possible only insofar as it's explicit (since the notion of wilfully producing a novel thought or considering a different approach themselves frightens them deeply) and adheres perfectly to the formal nomenclature of established methods (since they get exceedingly suspicious otherwise, or simply can't comprehend). 'lick up kick down' sums it up pretty well. i don't know if this idiom is available in english... hopefully my point gets through.

also they are very sensitive people who get hurt easily which they will use to their advantage in order to become tyrants. whether this bizarre threat is administered through subtle martyrdom or childish tantrums depends more on context than individual variance, i would say.

there's this idea that ISTJ's would at least be honest and loyal and shit just because they suck at everything else. not true at all.

 

[Oddity]

ISTP - All the kids I was friends with in school were always ISTP or ESTPs. I can't relate to any of the other sensors that well.
ESTP
xSFP - They're not SJs!
xSFJ -
xxTJ - Are the complete opposite of me in every way.

 

[StevenM]

I made an algorithm that sorted all 16 types from best to worst. It's very accurate in terms of how likely I could get along with a type.

I separated all the sensors, and from best to worst, this is what I came up with.

ESTP
ISTP
ISFP
ESFP
ESFJ
ISFJ
ISTJ
ESTJ

 

[Cherry Cola]

What's the algorithm? :P

 

[Oddity]

I made an algorithm that sorted all 16 types from best to worst. It's very accurate in terms of how likely I could get along with a type.

I separated all the sensors, and from best to worst, this is what I came up with.

ESTP
ISTP
ISFP
ESFP
ESFJ
ISFJ
ISTJ
ESTJ

That's the second time I've seen an INTP prefer ESTPs to ISTPs. Why?

 

[BrainVessel]

Oo, I like what Reluctantly did, I'll do the same.

Stereotypes:
1. ISTP
2. ISFJ
3. ESTP
4. ISTJ
5. ISFP
6. ESTJ
7. ESFJ
8. ESFP

Personal Experience:
1. ESTP
2. ISTP
3. ISFP
4. ESFP
5. ESTJ
6. ISFJ
7. ISTJ
8. ESFJ

 

[BrainVessel]

That's the second time I've seen an INTP prefer ESTPs to ISTPs. Why?

I too prefer ESTPs to ISTPs. I can't speak for the others, but I like their logic and I adore their ability to immediately be able to fully and quickly explain their logic. I don't know if I could ever be super close friends with one unless they were unstereotypically not arrogant and actually let me get a word in, but I really enjoy picking their brains.

The ISTPs I have conversed with seem far more emotional and super materialistic.

 

[StevenM]

What's the algorithm? :P

You made me review the step-by-step procedure I used, and I found something vague and inconsistent, which I guess, renders it an incomplete algorithm. More thought is needed.

But basically, my premise is that I find it excruciatingly hard to get along with ESTJ or ISTJ. I also found it very easy to get along with ENFJ, and I have had a couple really deep connections with INFJ.

The STJ's dominant functions are Te and Si, and the NFJ's are Fe and Ni (kind of the opposites of the STJ's). I reasoned that the types with Te and Si, especially where both functions are more dominant, should be high on the 'least to get along with'. I also decided that I'm against Te, more than I am Si.

ESTJ (Te)(Si)(Ne)(Fi)
ISTJ (Si)(Te)(Fi)(Ne)
ENTJ (Te)(Ni)(Se)(Fi)
ISFJ (Si)(Fe)(Ti)(Ne)
INTJ (Ni)(Te)(Fi)(Se)
ESFJ (Fe)(Si)(Ne)(Ti)
ENFP (Ne)(Fi)(Te)(Si)
INFP (Fi)(Ne)(Si)(Te)
ESFP (Se)(Fi)(Te)(Ni)
INTP (Ti)(Ne)(Si)(Fe)
ISFP (Fi)(Se)(Ni)(Te)
ENTP (Ne)(Ti)(Fe)(Si)
ISTP (Ti)(Se)(Ni)(Fe) (Te)(Si)(Ne)(Fi)
ESTP (Se)(Ti)(Fe)(Ni) (Si)(Te)(Fi)(Ne)
INFJ (Ni)(Fe)(Ti)(Se) (Ne)(Fi)(Te)(Si)
ENFJ (Fe)(Ni)(Se)(Ti) (Fi)(Ne)(Si)(Te)

I'm just wondering if my theoretical procedure really does accurately list them in probability of 'least to get along with'.

 

[Architect]

I used to keep lists like this but find that over time they're not really too accurate. You discover that many things are mere annoyances.

The only type that is really on my hit-list is the ES types. Being extraverted they are social vampires, pulling you into their party. They won't leave you alone. Now this is all done with the best of intentions, but it's like eating cheese. It tastes good, goes down easy, and turns you into a mound of mush and you're sitting on the couch the rest of the day.

ESTJ's don't have an authentic bone in their bodies.

 

[Cherry Cola]

The lists are merely instrumental! It's in trying to construct them and in comparing them that the point lies.

 

[Jennywocky]

I still like cheese.




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TBH, there are some S types I like better than some N types. (ENFPs piss me off, while ENTJs just are irritating and off chasing -- and crushing -- their personal rabbits... plus crushing yours too just to prove how competent they are.) Anyway.... my S list:

1. ISFJ
2. ISFP
3. ISTJ
4. ESTP
5. ESFJ
6. ESFP
7. ISTP
8. ESTJ

Ironically, one of my closest friends right now is an ESTJ female... but she was raised by an INTP + INFJ, so she's kind of a bridge between worlds.

 

[Black Rose]

I dont know about rank but I guess its mostly about our perceptions of what they are like not on how they really are. A pattern that is complex with many variables, life experience and psychic projections. If anyone had a definite objective birds eye view they would perhaps not be as influenced by human nature as we are.

This is me from INTJf as Dodeca.

I think I am one of those ISTJ males. I keep misunderstanding how types work. It never occurred to me that Si is how I was as a child. But science was also big with me so I thought that was Ni. (Si-Te) together now seems about right but I cannot confirm it? Avatar is not what most would expect. Sometime I don't go by the standards, internet is too big for that now. I want to go into psychology, A.I. was what I wanted to do when I was 12-22 but I cannot contribute to anything that would be a breakthrough. I expect to live with a digital assistant for the rest of my life after 2018. I could speculate more but on topic I am gentle with lots of ideas but to be objective and explore at the same time leaves life for me wanting. No suse is completely in unison with an unfolding universe. I understand what a principle is but don't use them as much as find ways to express sound and valid applications of new concepts. I must not sound as the stereotype should be but I experiment with this interface as I would anything else. My relationships online are about how I feel if I can be close to someone by sharing what I contemplate. It is not received the same way in different places so how they perceive me is mostly by impressions I leave behind. I would not be recognized for my contributions are far more controversial elsewhere.

 

[Brontosaurie]

wow that's intense, Animekitty

i really like your writing style sometimes

 

[Gather_Wanderer]

what you wrote about ESTJ is pretty much ISTJ too, except these are slippery and covert about it.

they have some vague and most often misguided feeling of "how things are done" and expect everyone else to comply, save for superiors of course.

where ethical standard and reflection would be, hypocrisy and numb habit reside. 'lick up kick down' sums it up pretty well.

also they are very sensitive people who get hurt easily which they will use to their advantage in order to become tyrants.

What you said so funny and so true. I have had bad experiences with ISTJs (one of my physics research profs) in the workplace. Again, if they're balanced with life experiences (and this goes for any type of person) they will have at least a small inkling of adaptability, even if they don't understand or agree with what's going on. I've known many ISTJs and seen them do it enough times to know that they are capable of it, though it may be difficult. Its part of their growing process, as much as some of our weaknesses are. Anyone and everyone is capable of becoming a balanced person in the sense that they can get along with anyone, though maybe not to equal measure.


Now I will say that ESTJs are just downright bad people and should be wiped off the face of the Earth. But again, they have growing to do and could conceivably be worth justifying a moon prison's existence. We just have to be patient with them.


By the way I spent over half the summer in Europe with an ESFP as one of my research co-interns. Again, it started with a lot of optimism and I thought for sure we were going to have a lot of fun. By the last week, however, I couldn't wait to get away from said person. I think we can be fun people but they tend to be too reckless to enjoy yourself around. In 'hanging out' scenarios, you'll either end up babysitting them, or ditching them. And let's be honest, you're going to ditch them.
At some point in 'hanging out' they will, without fail, ask you to do something that is far beyond your comfort level, and you'll lose respect for them. I think they're great for 'light' social events that need a little energy but not for significant events. They'll leave a stain on your shirt and your life.


You know I always figured ISTPs would be a good candidate for an INTP 'best type', but for some reason ESTPs seem to work slightly more often. One of my best friends is an ISTP. We understand each other's logic and need to recharge away from people. We both get irritated when around other people for an extended amount of time and have to pull back, even from each other; the latter probably has something to do with our comfort levels with abstractness vs concreteness. Sometimes he thinks my imagination is a little on the wacky side but he knows that I can argue for every thought in my brain if I feel like it and respects that. I don't think the ESTPs I know can do that quite as well, which confuses me why they seem to get along with us easier. Sometimes, in my interactions with them, it seems like they don't care if we have a thought that goes over their head. They'll just ignore it and get back to a place where we can keep talking. That is just downright hilarious and maybe adds to their charm. Actually, yeah I think that's why I think the interactions work so well. They're not bothered by our lunacy.