Raised into being an INTP when really an INFP?

[ayn]

As I read INTP articles, posts, forums.. I find myself relating more and more to the INTP than anything I have read before..

Until I started to think of how I am "overly sensitive", clearly shown in my response to Nibbler in the thread about male/female judgement/equality.

I have never considered myself a feeler. I have always had an incredibly hard time relating to my peers, and I manipulated everyone around me as a child..

But reading about INFP's, I see their overly-sensitive nature is much like my own. I am quick to think people dislike me. I was extremely depressed throughout all of my high school years, cutting myself for when I felt I was being bad towards other people.

My father is an extremely quiet, unemotional INTJ. My mother is a fairly extroverted INTP. When i was born I was basically given to my father. My other brother was extremely sensitive and took all of my mother's attention. When I became 4 my brother was diagnosed with diabetes and from that point nearly all attention was focused on my brother. I was given almost no emotional support as a child, especially since my father is so introverted(we could go days without hearing him speak--as I've grown older and we have similar interests he is more talkative towards me, but we've always been mostly silent together).

Though he was definitely there for my physically, he wasn't emotionally. I wonder if this caused me to become almost "retarded" emotionally, even though I may be a "feeler".

I am having a hard time finding information on INFP's. But I would love to hear you guy's impressions/thoughts. Lots of INTP traits fit me, but It seems INTP's and INFP's are very much alike..

 

[Ermine]

You might have more luck hashing this out in terms of functions. While INTPs and INFPs are pretty similar, their functions are significantly different. Also, MBTI types are nowhere near absolute. Thinkers can be sensitive and Feelers can be rational. Similarly I often test as INTJ (low preference for P, partially due to upbringing), but when I look at the INTJ functions, I'm definitely not INTJ. I don't identify with the Ni-Te axis much at all.

INTP: Ti (theoretical models), Ne, Si, Fe
INFP: Fi (inner values), Ne, Si, Te

 

[ayn]

Your Cognitive Functions:
Introverted Thinking (Ti) ||||||||||||||||||||| 9.99
Introverted Feeling (Fi) |||||||||||||||||| 8.39
Extroverted Feeling (Fe) ||||||||||||||||| 7.75
Extroverted Intuition (Ne) ||||||||||||||||| 7.5
Introverted Intuition (Ni) |||||||||||||||| 7.235
Introverted Sensation (Si) |||||||||||||||| 7
Extroverted Sensation (Se) |||||||||||| 5.03
Extroverted Thinking (Te) |||||||||| 4.01

Definitely doing some more reading ATM into INFP (never even considered until today).

I kind of feel as if my rationality has been born from my over analyzing my emotions/thoughts. Gah. x3
I'm sure I'll have this figured out by tonight...


"INFPs will offer only the very best ethical treatment of their friends and loved ones, and they expect no less in return--if you cannot fulfill this sacred bond to the same level they hold themselves to, you should not commit to such a close relationship in the first place."
Would an INTP relate to this too? This is me to a tee.. My biggest complaint how no one treats me as well as I treat them (except when I am angry or stressed). And by this, I don't mean buying gifts or any crap. I mean treating those nicely, I try to bring up my friends when they are down. I try and show my friends how they are fine how they are. I want my friends to feel good and be happy. I never insult my friends and only ever provide constructive criticism.

Ugh, I'm being crazy. I feel so in tune with how other people are feeling, yet when I read INTP articles it is like someone crawled into my head.

Maybe this is the moment I needed. A big question mark to show this whole system is flawed and not to put so much belief into.

Yeah. I'm just ridiculous. I was called a "bitch" probably 300 times before reaching grade 6, and noone saw me cry until I turned 15. How can I consider myself a feeler...

 

[Dapper Dan]

Yeah. I'm just ridiculous. I was called a "bitch" probably 300 times before reaching grade 6, and noone saw me cry until I turned 15. How can I consider myself a feeler...

I think you should look into the differences between Fi and Fe. I don't pretend to understand Fi at all, but Fe is so blatant that I think it should relatively easy to tell if you have it. I mean, even with Fe as my lowest function, I did a good amount of crying in elementary school.

 

[Minuend]

Well, when looking at descriptions and what not, I'm more similar to an INTP than to an ENFP, but it is the latter that I am. Apparently. I'm an introverted ENFP that value logic. So yeah, typing is hard.

Though, INTPs aren't all cool and dandy either. People have emotions. Those who think such things have no influence are deluding themselves. It's more about taught self- control, the choices you make. You can think to yourself: "Okay, I'm annoyed now, but should I really bother doing anything about it?"

Self-control is something to be trained, though we are never perfect. It also depends on other stuff, like self-esteem and so on.

You might have more luck hashing this out in terms of functions. While INTPs and INFPs are pretty similar, their functions are significantly different. Also, MBTI types are nowhere near absolute. Thinkers can be sensitive and Feelers can be rational. Similarly I often test as INTJ (low preference for P, partially due to upbringing), but when I look at the INTJ functions, I'm definitely not INTJ. I don't identify with the Ni-Te axis much at all.

INTP: Ti (theoretical models), Ne, Si, Fe
INFP: Fi (inner values), Ne, Si, Te

@Ermine is back

*Blown away*

 

[Auburn]

Hi @ayn, I sympathize with your confusion.

You're not the only one who's thrown for a loop. You probably don't know about this but a rare few forumers here have developed the ability to read type via video.

I'm pretty sure I could narrow it down for you if I saw a video, but without that, the next best thing I can do is show you examples of those types and see which one you think you resemble most in mannerisms:

INFP:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keqrwbf_eOI

INTP:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uokBDwzfD9Q

ENFP:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwMIkSy0fpw

It is also possible that you are neither of those types though, and these are only one example of how that configuration can manifest so it's really difficult to know unless you know what you're looking for. >.>

Sorry if this is cryptic. There's a lot of tension around the topic so I'm a bit limited at the moment. ;p

 

[SpaceYeti]

I've noticed a trend of feelers thinking they're a T simply because they're rational. While thinkers may tend to be more rational than feeler types, it's not a necessity. Feelers can be rational, Thinkers can be irrational. No type is better or worse than another kind, and your type isn't what you're good at. It's your preferences, not your abilities. Granted, you tend to get good at the things you spend your time doing, but that's why people get confused about their preferences after spending time operating contrary to them.

 

[Jennywocky]

"INFPs will offer only the very best ethical treatment of their friends and loved ones, and they expect no less in return--if you cannot fulfill this sacred bond to the same level they hold themselves to, you should not commit to such a close relationship in the first place."
Would an INTP relate to this too? This is me to a tee..

I take my true relationships very seriously -- I'm loyal in terms of overall commitment (although that doesn't mean I'll agree with a friend just because they're my friend, if I think their choices don't make sense), and I choose how I respond to them rather than just dishing out whatever I feel like I'm getting. I do expect my friends also to treat me and my approach to things with respect, to be there for me in return when I need them, and to be open and honest and "real" with me as I am with them.

But I don't really think I consider it in terms of my ethics per se. I can also have friends who I disagree with on some significant belief issues outside our relationship (I've got friends of all religious persuasions and backgrounds -- I kind of distinguish between broad religious and philosophical beliefs and how one behaves within a relationship).

I can also be very forgiving of people simply for being human. I don't accept betrayal by choice, but I can process people screwing up just because of where they are at in life; I might be more wary of them, based on my understanding of the pressures they are under, but it's not necessarily an "ethical judgment" of them as I've seen INFPs do. There's this sense of independence (I need to be free to be me and come to my own conclusions, and I respect their need for the same) and detachment that gets folded into my evaluation process... taking people as they are without having to pretend they are better than they are.

My biggest complaint how no one treats me as well as I treat them (except when I am angry or stressed). And by this, I don't mean buying gifts or any crap. I mean treating those nicely, I try to bring up my friends when they are down. I try and show my friends how they are fine how they are. I want my friends to feel good and be happy. I never insult my friends and only ever provide constructive criticism.

I do do that kind of thing, but it's not always constrained to the positive. I'm more into "honesty" and expect them to deal with it and know where I'm coming from rather than being offended if I'm having an off day or I challenge them in the not-best-of-ways on occasion. I can handle bluntness/rudeness in conversation because I'm more focused on the logic of it. (For example, if someone calls me a bitch because I'm choosing to act like one, it just rolls off my back, and I'm more worried about content; however, if I'm labeled when they know better of me and are choosing just to think the worst, then that bothers me.)

Maybe this is the moment I needed. A big question mark to show this whole system is flawed and not to put so much belief into.

It's just a system, and some of us live within the cracks.

Yeah. I'm just ridiculous. I was called a "bitch" probably 300 times before reaching grade 6, and noone saw me cry until I turned 15. How can I consider myself a feeler...

My INFJ daughter almost never cries in front of others and she's 13. People protect themselevs how they can.

 

[SpaceYeti]

An IF would probably not show their emotions off to other people. "Introverted", people. It means it's focused inwardly.

 

[Wizardry]

You just seem like you have a functional Fe at work, though your theory as to why could be sound. It makes sense.

I had a slightly similar background. I'm female phsysically but mentally don't identify with either gender. My dad (the loved parent) died when I was 6 and I was just left with my mother who was not emotionally compatible with me in the least. I became closed off and distant though she used to tell me to go away often.I rarely talked...I was fucked up but I guess since I was so self contained nobody really knew what to do with me (XNTj with definite Ni, Te). My mother quickly met another man and got pregnant. I was the unloved child and an annoying leftover to both of them, lol. I was mentally attacked every day since the age of 11 mentally and what little emotion was available to them (developing Fi?). My father has done more for me in death with his careful planning than my 2 "parents" have ever done in life. They usually just tried to screw me over recurrently, all the particulars type out like some sick weird soap opera of retarded.

I dipped into the INFP forum for a while and like the INFJ forum there just wasn't a lot of ....comfort and it felt rather icky to me. You don't seem to give off that same vibe from my limited exposure to your posts. I wish I could properly tap into the emotional aspects of myself but it always seems really weird and I don't understand what I'm perceiving half the time. Its almost like they sleep until they are really needed (usually) and I can only have so many emotional links "active" and the rules are all....screwed up.

I also doubt your father, the INTJ, is unemotional but I don't have enough to go on there. I'm also curious about how you perceive your emotions or how you interpret that whole thing working?

 

[P.H.]

Interesting post. I can relate to your post on several levels and have also had my moments of confusion about my MBTI type. To be fair: MBTI is just a model and no description fits 100%. Whenever I'm thinking about what other type I could be I dive into the type functions and conclude I'm an INTP after all. It might also be interesting to keep in mind that the type functions don't account for all behaviour. Your context - how you grew up, current environment, gender - also plays a major role in what behaviour gets to be significant in your life, not necessarily backtrace-able to the cognitive functions.

For example, female INTP's* are probably more prone to feeler-type behaviour than male INTP's. Females are more outwardly sensitive than males and in stead of having a competitive nature, females are wired to preserve groups. With this in mind it's not that strange at all that female INTP's are more emotionally connected to their direct environment than the type description allows.

Myself, I'm also a *very* sensitive female INTP, but I've interpreted this as having an underdeveloped Fe. For INTP's Extraverted Feeling is the function they will properly develop when they're a little older (or so I read somewhere) and I don't know your age but it could well be that you just haven't really gotten a grasp on the function yet. Being overly sensitive sounds to me as a not yet healthy way of using your Fe. Through the years I've learned to recognize and get a hold on my emotions and I see this as developing this function.

* Of course there are exceptions but for the sake of getting my argument across more easily I've resorted to generalization.

@Auburn I've always wanted to learn how to type people by seeing them talk. I can only see how the person in the INTP video is INTP. Could you elaborate on the other videos? What cues do you look for?

 

[ayn]

I think you should look into the differences between Fi and Fe. I don't pretend to understand Fi at all, but Fe is so blatant that I think it should relatively easy to tell if you have it. I mean, even with Fe as my lowest function, I did a good amount of crying in elementary school.

I think doing this was what I needed to do.

Thinking about it, though I can be emotional, these emotions come from reading people's faces and words and hearing the emotions/feelings behind them. When I see disappointment on someone's face, THEN I start beating myself up. My beating up appears to be from my Ti, because my thoughts have rational behind them, "You're such a bad person because before you did x." Not simply, "You are bad".

Comparing Ti and Fi, I definitely am a Ti person over Fi. When i am in Calculus, I would sit there and figure out /what/ the prof is doing, not by listening to him, but deconstructing /what/ what happening between the numbers and putting it together logically in my head so it made sense. This seems to me to be a Ti ability.. is it not?

You're not the only one who's thrown for a loop. You probably don't know about this but a rare few forumers here have developed the ability to read type via video.

I'm pretty sure I could narrow it down for you if I saw a video, but without that, the next best thing I can do is show you examples of those types and see which one you think you resemble most in mannerisms:

Interestingly, I seem to relate to how all three people are talking. Its hard for me to determine, comparing to those three.

I would actually be extremely interested to have people "analyze" me in this manner. If I made a video of myself simply talking or answering questions, do you think I could get some opinions? Any idea's of questions to be asked would be nice.

@Jennywocky ; I agree/relate to everything you said. Though I may be less competent in these areas.

You just seem like you have a functional Fe at work, though your theory as to why could be sound. It makes sense.

I also doubt your father, the INTJ, is unemotional but I don't have enough to go on there. I'm also curious about how you perceive your emotions or how you interpret that whole thing working?

I think you're correct.

And in regards to my father, you're right he isn't completely unemotional. Thinking in the past, I have seen very emotional moments from my father. Unfortunately, these come in terms of disappointment.
My father is actually extremely scary when he is mad, though I've only seen him mad on maybe 5 occasions (in my whole life).

I can only think of two times in my life I had gone to my father for help. Once was when I was a small girl, my brother had stepped on my legs and hurt me.. So my father stepped on my brothers legs and hurt him. My mother is still troubled by the fact he did this for me. [I recall kicking my brother in the crotch, and my father only simply explaining to me how painful this is to boys, i never did it again.]
The second time was this year, when I was in a very emotionally abusive relationship (with a ENFJ, imagine that) and I broke down to him and explained everything. He was actually on the fence, seeing the boys side, understanding that he was making mistakes blinded by his love. But he also was very nice to me and told me how I deserve better, etc.


So yes, I think though he appears unemotional, and doesn't actively display these emotions, an emotional vein runs deep within him, and of which I am close to.

Myself, I'm also a *very* sensitive female INTP, but I've interpreted this as having an underdeveloped Fe. For INTP's Extraverted Feeling is the function they will properly develop when they're a little older (or so I read somewhere) and I don't know your age but it could well be that you just haven't really gotten a grasp on the function yet. Being overly sensitive sounds to me as a not yet healthy way of using your Fe. Through the years I've learned to recognize and get a hold on my emotions and I see this as developing this function.

I think this is spot on. I noticed I was a lot more sensitive as I was younger, and I am getting better at brushing off those of others. I am able to rationalize to myself why people say some of what they say and how they respond like they do. Though, I am still fairly unsuccessful at forgetting the pain of these emotions, I am better and observing them and understanding them, instead of defining myself with them. Though at times I still can grow very weak and let this overcome me, it happens with much less frequency than when I was younger.


I'd also like to thank you all for helping me work though this. It's very much appreciated.

 

[Minuend]

Ohh, if Auburn is doing a reading, can we do a pre-guess?

Spoiler

ENFP

 

[ayn]

Ohh, if Auburn is doing a reading, can we do a pre-guess?

Spoiler

ENFP

If she does do one I am VERY happy to have as many pre-guesses as possible! x3

I'm interested in all opinions, considering I can only look at myself from my own perspective! That's probably the main reason I made this thread.

 

[Nibbler]

I just saw this thread. If it helps, in my 20's I thought I was INFP, but I was not so demonstrative.

I avoided emotional bullies and didn't engage with them--my dad was brutal at it. It took me years to finally speak up about problems that I noticed for fear of the emotional backlash. I generally took people on face value, observing most in admiration (though you could not read that on my face).

But that didn't stop people as a young adult from telling me I thought I was better than everyone else, stuck up, "too good to talk to us", etc. When really it was the opposite, I thought I was not good enough to jump in with them. As a result of constant external bombardment, I found refuge in my hurt feelings, mistaking I was a feeler. Really I was just angry at the constant misunderstandings though I had done nothing willfully provocative to cause them. But to many people, simply being outside the group is provocative enough.

 

[ayn]

I avoided emotional bullies and didn't engage with them--my dad was brutal at it. It took me years to finally speak up about problems that I noticed for fear of the emotional backlash. I generally took people on face value, observing most in admiration (though you could not read that on my face).

But that didn't stop people as a young adult from telling me I thought I was better than everyone else, stuck up, "too good to talk to us", etc. When really it was the opposite, I thought I was not good enough to jump in with them. As a result of constant external bombardment, I found refuge in my hurt feelings, mistaking I was a feeler. Really I was just angry at the constant misunderstandings though I had done nothing willfully provocative to cause them. But to many people, simply being outside the group is provocative enough.

I can relate to this to an extent. For me, I also wouldn't speak up about my problems, I'm not exactly sure why. It just doesn't seem proper to talk about my feelings, but as I am getting a bit older I am seeing the validity to telling people how I feel. Like you, I also found "refuge" in my hurt feelings. I want to think it was because of misunderstandings, but I have always felt that I /deserved/ to have these hurt feelings. Like it was a sense of justice in the world.

I was extremely social, and unlike you, I didn't remove myself physically but rather removed myself emotionally from my peers. I socialized, I fucking ruled, I had a posse(and i played them all), but I wouldn't say I had any real friends. No one understood me, it was like playing a big game of chess. I was very removed, very manipulative.

Quite different from what you seem to be describing, but I think it also stemmed from being misunderstood? I can't say. Its too hard to get into my head from back then, as I wasn't very introverted/introspective.

 

[Auburn]

@Auburn I've always wanted to learn how to type people by seeing them talk. I can only see how the person in the INTP video is INTP. Could you elaborate on the other videos? What cues do you look for?

That's a good sign - if you relate to Matthew Gubler's mannerisms as INTP then there's a fair chance you've properly typed yourself I think.

For INFP, the cues to look for are:

• Discernment Lead Rigid Body
• Compass Dead Eyes
• Fi Sprite Voice
• Fi Inner Bubbling
• Ne Unreal Eyes
• Ne Eye Deflecting

For ENFP, the cues to look for are:

• Perception Lead Serpentine Body
• Explorer Animated Eyes
• Explorer Bobble-Body
• Ne Unreal Eyes
• Ne Eye Deflecting
• Fi Sprite Voice

roughly. o.o
It's quite a delicate art, I find. Teaching it takes some time, as well as learning it but I would like to teach others. I'm working on the explanations to these and all the other cues at the moment.

But what also helps is a more holistic approach, where rather than focus on specific cues you learn what the *whole* type looks like by seeing several of them together. The cues are just bite-size examples but the best approach to learning is one that takes into consideration all factors.

To help compare, here are two more:

INFP:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLv-3TCu2fE

ENFP:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDAPx2Ehcf4


And for INTP, someone who is most similar to Matthew Gray Gubler (even though he is not INTP) is Tony Hawk:

ISTP:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hLrt5wFlmo

As far as for getting the jist of what a Ti dominant looks like, Tony and Matthew are great to begin with. I hope that helps a bit. I'll have a lot more in the near future to share with you.

 

[ayn]

@Auburn ; If I made a video of me just talking or answering some questions do you think you could type me based on body language? I'm quite on the fence with how I feel and I think it would be really interesting to get your opinion...

I can talk about or do anything that would be most helpful to you. I've never heard of this before and it seems so interesting to me. :P

 

[Auburn]

@Auburn ; If I made a video of me just talking or answering some questions do you think you could type me based on body language? I'm quite on the fence with how I feel and I think it would be really interesting to get your opinion...

I can talk about or do anything that would be most helpful to you. I've never heard of this before and it seems so interesting to me. :P

(nyah! sorry I didn't answer the first time! mentally i did ^^; )

Yes, of course. :3
And yes, I'm pretty confident I could read your type just via body language and facial expression, or at least narrow it down substantially.

Questions, yes. Um.. something like:

1. What is an average weekend like for you?
2. Describe a time or moment in your life when you felt everything was 'just right'.
3. If you found a bag filled with money on the way home one day, what would you do with it?
4. Do you have any pet peeves?
5. Do you think that global warming is as serious as people say it is?
6. Who was your childhood hero?

..these are just some suggestions ^^
it can be about anything though. Also, the greater the range of expression you show the easier it is to read a person - so feel free to be animated if that's you. pretend one of your close friends is asking you these questions instead.

 

[ayn]

@Auburn View My Video

Haha, I assumed you only read the post you were tagged in. Thanks a milllllion! :3

Sorry if I annoy you btw. I was trying to act like you was my close franddd.

While thinking about this topic, I spontaneously realized I missed a big assignment this Wednesday.. fml

 

[Auburn]

@ayn - Thanks! That was quick.

You're actually an ESFP (or SeFi, as I prefer to call it)

But before I get a shoe thrown at my face, I need to explain a few things, lol. The online profiles of ESFPs are really messed up. In fact, all the profiles of S types are extremely underrated, probably because N types wrote them. Little do N types know that a lot of their idols are actually S types - such as Richard Dawkins (ESTJ).

The INTP description is written in such glory that anyone who wants to be an enlightened individual will resonate with it. It's more of an idealization than an actual personality type. That said, what an ESFP really is, is:

SeFi:

Concrete Romantic Explorer
​

The primary characteristic of SeFi is that they're real-world explorers and navigators. This expresses itself in a confidence and bravery in practical matters such as learning a difficult craft (singing, ice skating, dancing) and in an ability to improvise and adapt to situations. They generally have high levels of energy and optimism for new things.

Their secondary characteristic is their romantic nature, which expresses itself in an openness to others and a level of faith in humanity. However, they are not so deeply romantic that they would become the clingy, Juliet type. They also value independence, competence and success within themselves and others. Romance is second to their ability to explore and if a relationship is stifling that need, they are quick to cut ties.

Their third characteristic is their talent for articulation. They rarely trip over their words, and are good and interesting conversationalists. This is perhaps because they don't obsess over picking just the right word or phrase -- it's enough for them to relay 'the jist' of an idea, and they are pretty efficient at condensing things to just that.

Their fourth characteristic is a more superstitious one which expresses itself in quirky habits such as how wearing a specific color of shirt gives them more luck. Or perhaps finding an interest in astrology or mysticism, but the SeFi will venture in and out of these phases with time.

SeFi are also not social kiss-ups and as such may often make enemies with their direct vocabulary. They are caring (and again, romantic) individuals but they also won't stand for unfairness or suppression. They generally understand that some people are just not going to be friendly and they don't really waste their mental/emotional/physical efforts on them. They may develop humanitarian interests and support groups like the cancer society, LGBT, women rights.

They are often seen by others as flaky and ditzy due to their spontaneous nature, and although they don't like to do work so much, when rubber meets the road they become buisness-like and mechanical in their tasks and produce good results.

Two example of SeFi:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmciOTn8k1o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHYPsGJfgwM

For the record, I wrote the description above on the spot from my memory of them, so it's not perfect but is meant to just be a summary. I also tried to write it in a more concrete way, rather than in the abstract -- but it's important to note concretes (like naming specific interests they may obtain) are just examples, and not all SeFi are superstitious about shirt colors. xP

 

[EyeSeeCold]

^ Interesting, EP sounds right.

 

[Reluctantly]

Sweet, I reached the same conclusion as Auburn.

 

[ayn]

Interesting... I definitely can relate to some aspects of ESFP's.. Its quite different, since I did think I was an INTJ in the past.

I'm wondering what clued you into me being a ESFP?

 

[Reluctantly]

I'm wondering what clued you into me being a ESFP?

That's a trick question!

Let's try another more fruitful approach. What aspects about type in particular do you have questions about? If instead I tell you why I think you are ESFP, then we ignore why you could be other types and we focus on typing you ESFP rather than giving you an understanding of your type (whatever you decide it is to be).

 

[ayn]

Hmm, well. I guess as I have read more about ESFP, it seems very likely that I was /very/ ESFP as a child, but I lost some of the characteristics as I grew older and found myself ostracized by my peers.

I have always been very captivated by my surroundings, moreso since I started smoking weed of course. But I guess I always disregarded my observations, because it seems like what everyone would do. I quite love looking at certain things, like pianos, lines, cubes, curves, etc. I also have always been very artistic, having a natural ability.

I also figure that I have always judged people based on their authenticity, is that not Fi at work? Not to mention, I am extremely sensitive. I can beat myself up over people just jokingly insulting me.. though, I can rationalize how they feel/think. So I understand them, but it still hurts me. I guess that is very ESFP, I just ignored it before(?).

I guess the Te would be what makes me so excellent and proficient at my job?

Though when I read this

Fe seeks social connections and creates harmonious interactions through polite, considerate, and appropriate behavior. Fe responds to the explicit (and implicit) wants of others, and may even create an internal conflict between the subject’s own needs and the desire to meet the needs of others.[15] Fe drives the INTP to desire harmony in community. At their most relaxed, INTPs can be charming and outgoing among friends, or when they have a clearly defined role in the group. When under stress, however, INTPs can feel disconnected from the people around them, unable to use their extraverted Feeling to reach out to others. As their inferior function, Feeling can be a weak point; when threatened they will hide behind a wall of stoic logic. This can lead them to bottle up their emotions to preserve reason and harmony; but a failure to deal with these concealed emotions can lead to inappropriate outbursts.

about INTP's. I relate to that completely. Or could this still be my Fi?

I would say more, but I'm about to jump into the bath tub..

I'm mostly interested in what aspects of my body language pointed one to that conclusion... :P
My mother saw my video and said, "that looks nothing like you", but I am unconvinced. I felt very natural while making the video.. dnno.

 

[Reluctantly]

You should disregard everything I've said in this thread; I don't think I know how to communicate anything to anyone.

 

[ayn]

I'm also very good at math, computer programming, physics (somewhat, I gave up on myself frequently but I understand mechanics, waves and optics fairly well).
I'm considered a very intelligent person. I was always pushed by my teacher's to excel.
I'm not much of a party animal.. I'm definitely not materialistic, at least I don't think so.
Though I do like looking good.

These all seem to contrast ESFP-ness.

 

[ayn]

You should disregard everything I've said in this thread; I don't think I know how to communicate anything to anyone.

Erm, sorry my response wasn't fitting to you?
Unless this is unrelated to my reply...

I read a few things about ESFP children, and it seems to describe me.. I am starting to think myself that I may actually be an ESFP that values logic, as Minuend had said.

I still have many INTP traits though. I just don't know anymore.

EDIT: Stop editing your post! haha, I want to read it all already. It keeps disappearing on me. XD

If this provides any insight, my enneagram type is 4w5.

 

[crippli]

heya...lol....sorry. I know this isn't funny. But I couldn't help but laugh from the above two posts. Edit-now three posts. heh. I see you replied

Remember ayn, these are only personal opinions from pseudoscience. Put their opinions down in a block. What I do. Summarize when you have gathered enough data, say in a few years. Play with the idea. I like to think of myself as ISFP, sometimes INFP, sometimes XNTP. Like the ISFP profile. Kozy, lovable, the one that everyone likes, worry free, artistic genius. Could I wish for more? I'm already being F here now, idealizing and stuff.

Remember. It's the preference. The type you prefer to be. Not even the type you are most of the time. Some are very repressed. So finding the preference can be a long process. You can be any type. You have and use all functions. But you will probably be more at ease while operating a specific set of functions. At least that is the idea.

 

[ayn]

heya...lol....sorry. I know this isn't funny. But I couldn't help but laugh from the above two posts. Edit-now three posts. heh. I see you replied

Remember ayn, these are only personal opinions from pseudoscience. Put their opinions down in a block. What I do. Summarize when you have gathered enough data, say in a few years. Play with the idea. I like to think of myself as ISFP, sometimes INFP, sometimes XNTP. Like the ISFP profile. Kozy, lovable, the one that everyone likes, worry free, artistic genius. Could I wish for more? I'm already being F here now, idealizing and stuff.

Remember. It's the preference. The type you prefer to be. Not even the type you are most of the time. Some are very repressed. So finding the preference can be a long process. You can be any type. You have and use all functions. But you will probably be more at ease while operating a specific set of functions. At least that is the idea.

Haha, no worries. I see how it can be humorous. :P

Looking at it as using all functions is a lot easier.. I decided to look at that whole "fence" thing. and I categorized my functions in order of use like this.
SE - FI - TE - NI - NE - SI - FE - TI

Se - I want to decorate the fence and make sure that it looks stylish and appealing
Fi - I want it to be my own special fence that I can share with others over time
Te - Is doing this cost effective? Will it be useful?
Ni - Why do they want to do this and what is the deal with fences anyway? Is this necessary?
Ne - I want to design the fence.
Si - I’ll take care of looking at the instructions and making sure that we follow the established guidelines.
Fe - How will it affect the neighborhood, and what will the neighbors think?
Ti - I want to analyze the structure and placement of the fence.

And no, I didn't look at the cognitive functions while choosing. I simply chose what seemed like I would do if I was building a fence. :P
If you saw the GUI's I designed in my programming classes.. Haha, they are always the most beautiful. X3

 

[Dapper Dan]

I have very limited experience with this sort of thing, but I would question how well people's types come across when they're just talking at the computer screen. It's not the kind of activity most people are used to performing, and it seems like it might over-emphasize certain functions.

You'll notice that all the videos posted earlier show actual conversations/interviews.

Edit: I also have some issues with the fence analogy. INTPs are naturally skeptical about that sort of thing, but the skeptic option is under Ni... The Ne and Ti options are so general that they apply to anyone who has ever made a fence... And is it just me or does the Fi option sound ridiculously cheesy?

Edit2: Dang, look at me go. EVERYTHING HAS PROBLEMS. NOTHING WILL WORK. DOUBT EVERYWHERE.
I told you we were skeptics!

 

[Auburn]

heya...lol....sorry. I know this isn't funny. But I couldn't help but laugh from the above two posts. Edit-now three posts. heh. I see you replied

Remember ayn, these are only personal opinions from pseudoscience. Put their opinions down in a block. What I do. Summarize when you have gathered enough data, say in a few years. Play with the idea. I like to think of myself as ISFP, sometimes INFP, sometimes XNTP. Like the ISFP profile. Kozy, lovable, the one that everyone likes, worry free, artistic genius. Could I wish for more? I'm already being F here now, idealizing and stuff.

Remember. It's the preference. The type you prefer to be. Not even the type you are most of the time. Some are very repressed. So finding the preference can be a long process. You can be any type. You have and use all functions. But you will probably be more at ease while operating a specific set of functions. At least that is the idea.

This is complete bs.


And by that I mean it's not even accurate in the MBTI sense, much less the Jungian sense. Type is *not* like clothing you put on, mix and match differently each day.

As long as we're talking about a theory, it should be talked about how it was intended to be interpreted, rather than by vague personal re-interpretations of it.

Even if we look at it from MBTI's set of assumptions, your type isn't "the type you prefer to be" but the type you *are*, based on your mind's preferences. It is not a conscious choice. It is a natural affinity of your body hsd to operate in specific ways and not operate certain other ways. Furthermore, according to MBTI theory your type is static.

I don't need a theory if I just want to say:

Sometimes I feel more emotional
Sometimes I feel more rational
Sometimes I feel more sociable
Sometimes I feel more withdrawn
Sometimes I feel imaginative
Sometimes I feel down to earth
Sometimes I feel ocd
Sometimes I feel lazy

But being ISFP doesn't mean:
" Today I feel... withdrawn, emotional, down to earth, lazy"
"And tomorrow I might feel the same but more rational, thus ISTP."

Indeed such a theory would be as useless as you say it is, and I would be in total support of throwing it in the back-burner if that's all it could tell me (the obvious). But that's not at all what this is about. =p

 

[crippli]

This is complete bs.


And by that I mean it's not even accurate in the MBTI sense, much less the Jungian sense. Type is *not* like clothing you put on, mix and match differently each day.

As long as we're talking about a theory, it should be talked about how it was intended to be interpreted, rather than by vague personal re-interpretations of it.

I agree to that, the last paragraph and the first line. As you see, my whole post hinges on the point that Jungian theory is based on the preference. I read that somewhere. But not sure if that is the case, I vaguely remember I read it in something Jung wrote too, but not sure. But if it is, my whole post should add up, shouldn't it?

btw. bs are my real name initials

Edit-oh, you added. Hold on, I will probably have to edit more too.

Edit2

Even if we look at it from MBTI's set of assumptions, your type isn't "the type you prefer to be" but the type you *are*, based on your mind's preferences. It is not a conscious choice. It is a natural affinity of your body hsd to operate in specific ways and not operate certain other ways. Furthermore, according to MBTI theory your type is static.

I don't need a theory if I just want to say:

Sometimes I feel more emotional
Sometimes I feel more rational
Sometimes I feel more sociable
Sometimes I feel more withdrawn
Sometimes I feel imaginative
Sometimes I feel down to earth
Sometimes I feel ocd
Sometimes I feel lazy

But being ISFP doesn't mean:
" Today I feel... withdrawn, emotional, down to earth, lazy"
"And tomorrow I might feel the same but more rational, thus ISTP."

Indeed such a theory would be as useless as you say it is, and I would be in total support of throwing it in the back-burner if that's all it could tell me (the obvious). But that's not at all what this is about.

I didn't say it was useless. It's a good theory for introversion and learning more about your self, and that is useful, and healthy. And a nifty theory nonetheless, even if it turns out to be inaccurate.I read your typing methods and find them very interesting, so I don't intend to diss them. But I still consider them to be theoretical, and not facts. All of this is mostly, if not all, opinions imo.

The point *you are*. You mean the thoughts or manifestation of them? MBTI says the mechanism(do we know what it is?) is static?

I have very limited experience with this sort of thing, but I would question how well people's types come across when they're just talking at the computer screen.

Yes, I have the same concerns.

 

[ayn]

This is complete bs.


And by that I mean it's not even accurate in the MBTI sense, much less the Jungian sense. Type is *not* like clothing you put on, mix and match differently each day.

As long as we're talking about a theory, it should be talked about how it was intended to be interpreted, rather than by vague personal re-interpretations of it.

Well, could you perhaps look at my previous posts and tell you what I think. I feel as if I am falling more and more into the dark. I'm starting to lean towards ESFP, yet I still have big parts of me questioning why I am so logical + successful in things like computer programming.

And is it just me or does the Fi option sound ridiculously cheesy?

... I liked it actually.

This is what an “intelligent” ESFP can look like: “OMG! Daggerpods! *throws self on ground and takes a big sniff of flowers* “Wow! Amazing!”

INTP botanist: “Yes, indeed, that is a Phoenicaulis cheiranthoides.” *makes note in botany logbook*

I'd say, if these comparisons are true.. then I am more an ESFP, in this regard.

 

[Dapper Dan]

... I liked it actually.

I guess this just reaffirms the fact that Fi makes no sense to me AT ALL.

Edit: Aaaand there goes my 300th post. Bask in its glory.

 

[Auburn]

Hmm, well. I guess as I have read more about ESFP, it seems very likely that I was /very/ ESFP as a child, but I lost some of the characteristics as I grew older and found myself ostracized by my peers.

I have always been very captivated by my surroundings, moreso since I started smoking weed of course. But I guess I always disregarded my observations, because it seems like what everyone would do. I quite love looking at certain things, like pianos, lines, cubes, curves, etc. I also have always been very artistic, having a natural ability.

I also figure that I have always judged people based on their authenticity, is that not Fi at work? Not to mention, I am extremely sensitive. I can beat myself up over people just jokingly insulting me.. though, I can rationalize how they feel/think. So I understand them, but it still hurts me. I guess that is very ESFP, I just ignored it before(?).

Yep. Type can be identified in childhood as well, and is in fact where it often appears most clearly - because we act out who we are before we had to censor ourselves to whatever environment we were forced into.

Depending on what environment we're placed in, we may exercise specific processes more and they may even feel more familiar to us than our native functions - if we forget how we were as children.

I guess the Te would be what makes me so excellent and proficient at my job?

Yepyep. In your case you would be using Te for your logic function - and it is a very practical type of logic. It feels good being efficient and competent doesn't it? That's something Ti doesn't really experience. The hype comes at refining principles and stops in their brain. The process of executing logic outwardly is debilitating.

I'm wondering what clued you into me being a ESFP?

A lot of practice identifying types. Though there are specific things to look for, which are far too subtle for me to explain to you at the moment. What I think may actually be better is if I show you. This is a video I took just today of my SeFi (ESFP) friend answering the exact same questions as you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CUVEtEcsxM

I wonder if you can see a resemblance?
(not in facial structure, but in movements/animations)

 

[Reluctantly]

Erm, sorry my response wasn't fitting to you?
Unless this is unrelated to my reply...

Sorry, I wasn't insulting you. I was insulting myself! I've been trying to get people to think about certain things through discussion and so far over the past week's posts, I haven't gotten one proper response. I'm hugely disappointed is all; but by disappointment I don't mean the negative connotations applied to it, but that it is a state nonetheless.

 

[negativemotivation]

Damn I didn't know you could type from a video. Would you be willing to type my video too auburn?

 

[Auburn]

@Reluctantly - oh! Were any of those posts directed at me? o.o If so, I apologize if I've neglected them. Please lemmy know of any post I may've missed...

@negativemotivation - Sure thing! I'm all for helping people discover their type. :3

 

[negativemotivation]

I'm kinda stoned I'm not sure if it would throw off my type lol . http://s1146.photobucket.com/albums/o529/colo1423/?action=view&current=Capture_20120325_4.mp4

 

[Auburn]

Hi,

This one's difficult. I think the 'stoned' thing may be affecting things a bit, yeah. ^^;
What I think I can tell is that you have Fe+Ti, and Ni+Se, but it's a tentative impression. Don't quote me on that just yet! xD I won't pretend to know.

but welcome to the forum nonetheless~

 

[ayn]

If any are curious, I have typed myself as an ENFP.

 

[Lot]

If any are curious, I have typed myself as an ENFP.

Well I'm glad you finally found out. That's what I was thinking when I saw the video (of course after the fact, right?). You totally acted like one of my friends. She originally typed herself as an ENTP. After reading about ENFP's, I could see how one could read an INTP profile and think it fits.

 

[cerebedlam]

Re: So i found out im not really an INTP.

Re: Raised into being an INTP when really an INFP?

These thread titles have sparked an idea for a new, quirky, indie film to debut Winter 2013...The story will be about a son who's raised by Mom and Dad who are both Jungian-influenced psychotherapists...The parents go and MBTI test their kid when he's like four or five years old...But, the keys are all banged up and whacked out on the home computer, where the test is adminstered, and the test returns a way false reading on the kid's personality type...The parents raise the poor bastard as an ESFJ, when he's so apparently an INTP...All the fun and comedy then ensues when the parents, his teachers at school, and all the schlubs in the community try to pigeonhole and treat this kid as being someone he's not...Another case of mistaken identity...but, with a twist that a Myers/Briggs fan could appreciate.

 

[Pizzabeak]

I've always wanted to get a second opinion..

 

[NinjaSurfer]

it's weird how one can confuse introversion and extraversion; I have done it before so I can relate; the odd thing is that I am 80% introverted but I have thought myself an extravert b4 bc I was in sales and I was trying so hard to become the person I wanted to be, rather than being who I felt comfortable to be.

 

[catatonic]

My first MBTI was ENFP, it was about 8 years ago.
Then I changed to INFJ and INFP.

After i had fight with my stoopit friend--i called him stoopit bc he got mad only bc my MBTI result change-- He said that i'm an INTP, so I took the MBTI test from another site with longer questions of the test and I got INTP.

But I think that I'm too EMO to be INTP.

 

[HDINTP]

it's weird how one can confuse introversion and extraversion; I have done it before so I can relate; the odd thing is that I am 80% introverted but I have thought myself an extravert b4 bc I was in sales and I was trying so hard to become the person I wanted to be, rather than being who I felt comfortable to be.

I used to do that too

 

[redbaron]

Looking at Tony Hawk is like looking at myself talk.

O_O