Rachel Dolezal

[Grayman]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ally-lays-bare-hypocrisy-liberal-America.html

Shouldn't we be more accepting of her new identity? I see it as contradictory to deny her self established identity of being black while supporting transgenders. I don't see her as a liar. I see her as going to great lengths to make her outer world fit her inner one so that she can cope with life.

 

[Lapis Lazuli]

We should seek to understand the phenomenon better, but how can society not prohibit such behavior? Where will it end? She may have good intentions, but what is being achieved by living a lie except the deconstruction of social norms that validate things like justice in a more meaningful sense?

We accept this behavior in children because we expect that they will grow out of it.

 

[DrGregoryHouse]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ally-lays-bare-hypocrisy-liberal-America.html

Shouldn't we be more accepting of her new identity? I see it as contradictory to deny her self established identity of being black while supporting transgenders. I don't see her as a liar. I see her as going to great lengths to make her outer world fit her inner one so that she can cope with life.

A sponge is a sponge (the ones in the ocean). A plankton is a plankton. A lungfish is a lungfish. A platypus is a platypus. A hedgehog is a hedgehog. A lemur is a lemur. A baboon is a baboon. a chimpanzee is a chimpanzee. A human is a human.

That said, there are subspecies within the same species. There are various subspecies of finch. There are various subspecies of cow. There are various subspecies of dog. There are various subspecies of human.

A subspecies is genotypically different as well as phenotypically different from another subspecies. Different genotypes between subspecies manifest themselves in various combinations of genetic code or DNA aka Deoxyribonucleic acids. These different DNA codes manifest themselves in how the genotype is expressed in terms of protein combinations in the phenotype (outward physical expression) of a particular subspecies. This is why a Wildebeast (subspecies) is so dramatically different in physical appearance than a Holstein cow.

Here is the rub and what "they" don't want you to know: a given genotype, i.e. genetics, also results in a given behavioral phenotype. Therefore a Golden Retriever, for example, is going to behave in different fashions and forms than say, a pitt bull.

Yes, homo sapien share something like 99.8% of our DNA with Chimpanzees...BUT...we also share something like 50% of our DNA with bananas and something like 75% with earthworms. That is to say, tiny, miniscule, atomic differences in DNA make massive massive differences in behavioral and physicall expressions of genotypes in a given phenotype.

Some subspecies can interbreed but not all. Subspecies of finches yes, cow yes, dog yes, and human yes.

Generally speaking, this female who is attempting to take on the identity of the subspecies of African, may as well be trying to take on the genotype and phenotype of another subspecies of human. It would be like a Holstein cow attempting to pretend its a Wildebeast and stealthily mix itself in with a herd of Wildebeast

Obviously the herd of Wildebeast, and vice versa, are going to recognize this, if only subconsciously in this analogy, and get upset at the absurdity of the attempt.

We live in an insane, unnatural, generally dysgenic day and age*** where it seems like a significant proportion of the herd (usually the loud extroverted obnoxious drama kings and queens) are actually doing their best to engage in forcing the rest of the herd to go along with the whole "emperor does have clothes on" thing and have everyone else in the herd to believe a wildebeast = a holstein and vice versa.

This is to the detriment of both herds. It promotes things such as distrust, animosity, and reduces the ability of an otherwise cohesive herd (social unit) to effectively and efficiently predict one another's behavior. Not to mention the massive amount of cognitive dissonance individuals and society have to be burdened with on a daily basis like a computer's RAM which has too many viruses and opened corrupted programs works way below its optimal efficiency.

Yes this Rachel Dolezal, at least how the media has been representing her, is an emperor without clothes sort and yes her brain is processing her reality on a corrupted program and yes logic, reason, and truth demands she ought to be ostracized by both/ all herds.

But...here is the twist...don't hold your breath: the media = "they". And they really don't want the various herds of sheople to know. They are perhaps the worst enforcers of the noxious notion that the emperor is not buck naked.

*** if the loud but interminably moronic extroverts in society are to be continued to be believed, this idiocracy really is the final destination for the earthly human experience (ironically this movie is mypoic in its focus on a particular subspecies of homo sapien, though other than this flaw, the movie is generally right on the money):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDRNVEVX--0

 

[EditorOne]

She doesn't need to be ostracized. Perhaps she just needs to be counseled: "You aren't a wildebeest, because wishing won't make it so."

 

[crippli]

What is the issue here? If people believe she is a black woman, then she is a black woman.

 

[EditorOne]

I think the issue was that people realized she was not black, at which point she was the only one who thought she was.

Don't know what she thinks now.

There is a feeling she gained an advantage to her ambitions by "passing" as black. Whether it's a deliberate deception or not still remains to be seen.

 

[Grayman]

I have a dog that looks like a terrier but acts nothing like a terrier and never barks and is gentle(calm) in every way. I can imagine that some old genes resurfaced from deep within her lineage that were not terrier in any way.

If black were just the definition of your birth skin color or your most recent lineage then no she is not black but if black is about your current skin color and hair then she is currently black. If Dr Greg House is right and it is about genes then I would argue that it is possible some deep dormant genes resurfaced that made something about her truly black in the same way my terrier isn't a normal terrier.

"There is a feeling she gained an advantage to her ambitions by "passing" as black. Whether it's a deliberate deception or not still remains to be seen."

If this is true then it is only proving that these 'equalists' supporters are prejudice and not color blind.

 

[TBerg]

Her parents hold a grudge against her for what she was doing. They shouldn't have outed her. People just like to knock others down.

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

Shouldn't we be more accepting of her new identity? I see it as contradictory to deny her self established identity of being black while supporting transgenders. I don't see her as a liar. I see her as going to great lengths to make her outer world fit her inner one so that she can cope with life.

Agreed. I don't see any problem with what she did, it seems like she genuinely identifies with her black identity and did not pursue it merely to accelerate her way up the civil rights ladder like the article is trying to suggest

 

[Rook]

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Is what she did right or wrong?
I don't care.
But if that piece of text is accurate, I have to say she is a misguidedly naive one, yes.

We have no tepees here, and very very very few subsistence hunters.
"I was born in a Canadian yurt. I had to catch salmon with my bare hands to survive!"
That sums up the absurdity of the lie.

 

[Cherry Cola]

nope its not the same thing as transgenderism other than in principle, there are a number of very obvious and important differences

stop being ignorant and l2actually know something about stuff before you start making comparisons, people on this forum have a penchant for waving their ignorance about because they feel a need to display their great dislike of feminism

@Tberg: yeah I dont see why her parents of all people had to go and out her

 

[Inquisitor]

nope its not the same thing as transgenderism other than in principle, there are a number of very obvious and important differences

stop being ignorant and l2actually know something about stuff before you start making comparisons, people on this forum have a penchant for waving their ignorance about because they feel a need to display their great dislike of feminism

@Tberg: yeah I dont see why her parents of all people had to go and out her

And you obviously feel a need to display your love of it.

 

[Grayman]

nope its not the same thing as transgenderism other than in principle, there are a number of very obvious and important differences

stop being ignorant and l2actually know something about stuff before you start making comparisons, people on this forum have a penchant for waving their ignorance about because they feel a need to display their great dislike of feminism

@Tberg: yeah I dont see why her parents of all people had to go and out her

What do you feel are important differences?

What is the connection to feminism?

 

[StevenM]

What do you feel are important differences?

All transsexuals are psychotic/delusional or very adamant liars.

There is something weird about this woman. I forget what it's called, and I can't find it on google, but there's a disposition which is similar to narcissism but it's not. It's where the self-serving bias is so strong, that the person becomes selective amnesic, or in a way delusional by taking in information only to serve this self-bias. Basically, this person cannot recall one single event in their life where they made a mistake, or did anything other than moral.

I think if someone wanted to adopt an African 'style', than that's cool. It's not much different if some European wanted to fashion themselves as an ancient Egyptian. Some people have 8" spacers in their lip. Some dye their hair blue and put cat-eye contacts in. I'm all for it.

 

[Cherry Cola]

And you obviously feel a need to display your love of it.

No, why? I don't love feminism just because I criticize the retarded flac it gets on these boards, if you think I love feminism then I'm afraid you see the whole thing through a lens causing a perspective just as black and white as that of the very feminists which are the subject of your chagrin.

I dont make threads based on surface level parallells between two different things which are similar in principle only.

Why should I have to explain the differences between being transgender and feeling black? Its kindergarden level. This isn't a forum of idiots, so when a thread like this is made its obviously because whoever made it has a bone to pick with the relevant agenda; the point of this thread is to show that feminists are inconsequent.

 

[The Gopher]

This isn't a forum of idiots.

Can I quote you?

 

[Cherry Cola]

Of course

 

[Inquisitor]

No, why? I don't love feminism just because I criticize the retarded flac it gets on these boards, if you think I love feminism then I'm afraid you see the whole thing through a lens causing a perspective just as black and white as that of the very feminists which are the subject of your chagrin.

I dont make threads based on surface level parallells between two different things which are similar in principle only.

Why should I have to explain the differences between being transgender and feeling black? Its kindergarden level. This isn't a forum of idiots, so when a thread like this is made its obviously because whoever made it has a bone to pick with the relevant agenda; the point of this thread is to show that feminists are inconsequent.

Where do feminists even enter the picture? OP is talking about blacks and transgender...

 

[Inquisitor]

I think the issue was that people realized she was not black, at which point she was the only one who thought she was.

Don't know what she thinks now.

There is a feeling she gained an advantage to her ambitions by "passing" as black. Whether it's a deliberate deception or not still remains to be seen.

Seems very clear it was a deliberate deception.

Agreed. I don't see any problem with what she did, it seems like she genuinely identifies with her black identity and did not pursue it merely to accelerate her way up the civil rights ladder like the article is trying to suggest

Even if she has a few screws loose, what she did was inexcusable and she knows it. That's why she ran away when she was confronted. She got caught. Being black confers so many advantages work/education-wise in our society these days. First off, as the article mentioned, it's a definite boost in the "civil rights industry" where she worked. Non-profit work can be lucrative in a large organization.

Second, if you're black, you automatically fall under the category of Underrepresented Minority (URM). This is a tremendous advantage when applying to colleges and graduate programs. The bar is set much lower, and you'll still be accepted. Also, I would imagine it's easier to get university-level teaching positions in certain departments, although I don't have proof of this.

There's also a push on the corporate side to promote diversity, so race helps you there as well. Silicon Valley has been in the crosshairs of late for not being diverse enough (too many white and asian males). Eventually, as demand ramps up even further for tech professionals, the growing outrage from the diversity/feminism industry is going to force these companies to change their hiring practices, and then we're all going to suffer indirectly because instead of just hiring the best applicant, they're going to have to hire people with good but not great skills.

It's one of those things where in the short run, politicians, administrators, and managers win political points/get to keep their jobs, but in the long run, everyone suffers because meritocracy declines.

 

[Hadoblado]

If she wants to be considered black that's fine. However, her cover story was not just keeping her under cover, it was a well of hardships she never faced. I can understand her parents outing her since what she's doing is not okay. She was never in Africa, she was probably never abused (we'll never know for certain, but certain claims are definitely false). These lies facilitated her social and occupational rise. If they didn't, why did she tell them? A noose and whip? Really?

 

[EditorOne]

"Seems very clear it was a deliberate deception."

Perhaps a poor choice of words on my part.

If she is self-deluded about her race and her actual personal history, ie mentally deranged, is it "deliberate" to communicate her delusions to others?

As opposed to "I'm going to pretend to be black and see how many people I can trick into believing me."

That's all.

 

[Inquisitor]

"Seems very clear it was a deliberate deception."

Perhaps a poor choice of words on my part.

If she is self-deluded about her race and her actual personal history, ie mentally deranged, is it "deliberate" to communicate her delusions to others?

As opposed to "I'm going to pretend to be black and see how many people I can trick into believing me."

That's all.

True...it's hard to know if she is mentally deranged and really is suffering from delusions about her race. In that case, the intention behind what she did would be pure. That said, given the severity of this kind of delusion, I would think such a person wouldn't be able to hold down a job, much less have a career.

 

[Brontosaurie]

Why should I have to explain the differences between being transgender and feeling black? Its kindergarden level.

i think the difference is that they are different things. just like all the things. different. various. plenty. one here and one there. things.

these two things can be compared though because there is a relevant similarity. both mean having a sense of identity that refers to an attribute one doesn't actually possess.

please just explain why this is moot, if it's so easy.

 

[INTPWolf]

To each their own. If anything i think it just shows her resolve to support equality, to not just talk about it but to live it. The lies she fabricated was to achieve a goal, but ultimately uncouth the wrong way to go about it.

 

[INTPWolf]

What would be interesting is a debate to figure out what type MBTI personality she is, if indeed she is sane. I might hazard a guess at xIFJ

 

[DrGregoryHouse]

Bump.