I totally can't relate. For me the appeal of punky rock was how it criticised the establishment, even to the point of risking persecution, for that I have a few bands from my country whose lyrics I like and feel.
The overall formula of young males screaming and playing basic guitar riffs when taken out of its social or political meaning is quite childlish.
Here's one about the berlin wall that uses metaphorical references to avoid the censorship existing at the time:
Sure, some punk is actually skillful, also I like some foreign stuff like rage against the machine, but they aren't punk rock, they are more of a rap metal band.
Some of my native orthodox punk bands didn't release any music because that was deemed prostitution and collaborating with the system. So yeah, there are some notations and lyrics written down and little else left of their legacy.
I totally can't relate. For me the appeal of punky rock was how it criticised the establishment, even to the point of risking persecution, for that I have a few bands from my country whose lyrics I like and feel.
The overall formula of young males screaming and playing basic guitar riffs when taken out of its social or political meaning is quite childlish.
I had a close friend (ISTP, I'm pretty sure) who was heavily into punk back in the 80's and 90's (he was into pirate radio too), he had friends who were in bands and I met some of them.
Musically I couldn't connect much with the style, although I appreciated the high energy and ability of anyone to get into it; but yeah, what you've said here -- I supported the way they challenged social status quo, although maybe in some other settings besides the US it could be even more powerful and meaningful. The US commericialist machine is dastardly, it excels at swallowing groups outside the status quo and repackaging them in ways that just reinforce the system and generate revenue for the monster.
Why it has to be skillful to be good?
i see this diarrheic trend where everyone is praying to their guitar gods, those who tune their guitars down to - C and "experiment" playing weird signature bars songs, it seems they don't realize the actual experimentation, the primal idea died a long time ago and what they are doing is blantantly copying everyone else. Poor them, trying to fit in, what a mess. And still they preach to lesser beings that they have the right attitude. The vibe ended when it became the trend.
And i don't even care if it all comes to mathematics and higher intelligence because i already started hating it from the very moment you put music as an altar with a selfie of yours with candles.
Well fuck them really, my desire for their death plus a prayer in a desolated cemetery among bones and depressed people future corpses.
This is why i have so much respect for Blink 182, because even if their music is fucking "childish" they at least have the balls to keep playing it. They always had the balls. Fuck audience.
May misery accompany their lost souls beyond life so they at least feel not alone.
Good music = catchy stuff, everything else is you trying to play the god. period.
Personally, I'm not a punk fan, or a big fan of any particular genre anymore, but I think every genre does have good or at least interesting songs. I did have a friend that was heavily into punk and so anti-mainstream culture that he wouldn't enter certain stores because the "preppy" kids shopped there. I thought that was strange. I could care less about such things. I was just looking around for a jacket that I thought was cool.
Unfortunately, people are judged by the kind of music they listen to, or don't listen to, all part of the theatrical social bullshit I strive to avoid. If I'm driving down the road and I happen to stumble across a country song on the radio and just happen to like it(a rare phenomenon), then I feel sorry for those whose eardrums may be too close to my car. If they want to think I'm a flag waving douchebag, then so be it, but the next song I listen to will probably have them confused as to what genre I actually liked.
Anyways, I think my point was that there are good songs in every genre, including punk.
for the most part, I agree. I can simplify what punk is to me with a single word that fails to capture any nuance but whatever: freedom. though my punk umbrella is fairly broad.
I crave punk rock from time to time, but I have to be in the mood. I still remember my first time hearing it. Well, maybe they are considered Indie now, but it was the Dead Kennedys "Holiday in Cambodia".
i see this diarrheic trend where everyone is praying to their guitar gods, those who tune their guitars down to - C and "experiment" playing weird signature bars songs, it seems they don't realize the actual experimentation, the primal idea died a long time ago and what they are doing is blantantly copying everyone else. Poor them, trying to fit in, what a mess. And still they preach to lesser beings that they have the right attitude. The vibe ended when it became the trend.
And i don't even care if it all comes to mathematics and higher intelligence because i already started hating it from the very moment you put music as an altar with a selfie of yours with candles.
Well fuck them really, my desire for their death plus a prayer in a desolated cemetery among bones and depressed people future corpses.
This is why i have so much respect for Blink 182, because even if their music is fucking "childish" they at least have the balls to keep playing it. They always had the balls. Fuck audience.
May misery accompany their lost souls beyond life so they at least feel not alone.
Good music = catchy stuff, everything else is you trying to play the god. period.
All I can derive from your post is that I wouldn't want to have you in my kitchen where I keep the knives.
There is a cerebral aspect to music and appreciation for complexity, for me good music isn't only about being catchy, but I often times look at the quality of compositions and I can appreciate interesting uncommon ideas being played.
didn't expect this to get so active. i'm checking all your recommendations tonight, also looking forward to letspaniclater's links. that avatar indicates some kind of taste, not necessarily one i agree with but interesting nonetheless.
every time I see a genre name preceded with "noise" (noise punk, rock, -core, etc.) I don't trust it. distortion isn't enough, and most of the noise- bands I have listened to have that and nothing else. bands like Harry Pussy, Arab on Radar and latter-day the Hospitals come close to meriting the sub-genre, maybe even Royal Trux's Twin Infinitives.
every time I see a genre name preceded with "noise" (noise punk, rock, -core, etc.) I don't trust it. distortion isn't enough, and most of the noise- bands I have listened to have that and nothing else. bands like Harry Pussy, Arab on Radar and latter-day the Hospitals come close to meriting the sub-genre, maybe even Royal Trux's Twin Infinitives.
I know where you're coming from. at its worst it can degenerate to, well, mere noise and pretentious anti-meaning. And I agree with you on noise-core, but come on...you can't talk about noise rock and not mention swans(borbetomagus and iceage are also pretty good). To me, the subgenre truly shines in industrial music(think maria zerfall and vivenza)
the dissonance and break down of tonality is always perplexing at the beginning of a song, demanding your attention, but then a pattern starts to emerge. It's comforting but also brutal, and makes me zone out but not really...i can work on something with industrial-noise playing in the background and my mind would still be picking up on nuances, it helps my thoughts fall into place...sort of like meditation
I grew up with De Press, Holy Toy, Nina Hagen (Band), The Clash, etc. Wasn't much impressed with Sex Pistols and the like, for some reason - I just didn't find them interesting enough.
Another band that influenced me to some degree was The Clash. The more subdued and intelligent approach to topics and diverse and innovative mesh of music styles was more appealing to me - and they were angry, indeed:
ich bin dein hund,
ich bin dein hund,
ich bin dein h-h-h,
ich bin dein hund.
beiss in dein bein
und in den sack
beiss kraeftig rein
schnapp-schnapp,
zack-zack
ich piss dich voll
und scheiss dich an
ich pisse toll
wohin ich kann
kack in dein bett
und leck dich weg
beiss in dein ohr
wie nie zuvor
halt's maul
It was a time of escalating drug problems in northern Europe, and I had been walking through the streets where I saw the remains of human beings who had gone too far - it upset and frightened me as I was quite young at the time. It probably contributed to putting me off drugs for good as well as watching the movie Christiane F - Nina Hagen here paints a nightmarish picture: Herrmann Hiess Er:
Herrmann doesn't give a shit about life
He asks himself: What's life got to show me
He reads Carlos Castagneda
Who lives light as a feather.
Real life, where the spirits dwell
Is worth living for Herrmann
Anything else makes no sense to him.
Herrmann shoots up
He says to himself: That's what gets the little brainy tripping
He feels he's wise and inspired
When he gently wets his tongue with speed.
Real life, where the spirits dwell
Makes sense for Herrmann
Anything else just doesn't hack it, spaced out, dropped out
Switched off, flipped out with it, flying high
Spaced out, dropped out
Herrmann where are you?
Switched off, flipped out
Herrmann, where are you? Herrmann is high.
Herrmann wolfs down mango and hazel grouse
he says to himself: Better this than breathing that last breath now
He loves those good vibes that spare his tender nerves.
Real life he can't just live like that
He needs the needles and the pills
To fill his veins with vital thrills.
Herrmann's balls turn blue
He says to himself: Shit, that's all I needed, ow-owwww
vibes all this bad
Herrmann's never had.
Look! The wall is tipping and the ceiling
is coming down and the carpet's getting deeper and deeper
and the words and their meaning, mama, papa!
Open up, open up right now
This is the police!
Madness is a trip to hell
The brain's diseased and wavers
In ever new dimensions there where the evil forces dwell....
Funny story: Raga Rockers were once denied entrance to their own gig after running late - the band was so protective of their own privacy that the bouncers failed to recognise them....kinda don't blame the security as the Raga members were rather big, burly and scary looking guys
Hmmm, I could go on and on....but worth checking out Holy Toy/De Press. Andrej Nebb is one of the most prolific but sadly often forgotten or ignored artists (still going) from that time in the punk/rock/industrial scene.
I know where you're coming from. at its worst it can degenerate to, well, mere noise and pretentious anti-meaning. And I agree with you on noise-core, but come on...you can't talk about noise rock and not mention swans(borbetomagus and iceage are also pretty good).
Swans don't really count as noise-rock in my book because of how their sound evolved, especially when Jarboe joined. their loose connection to the no-wave scene puts them closer to the spirit of punk. Borbetomagus is too jazzy. I've never listened to Iceage.
To me, the subgenre truly shines in industrial music(think maria zerfall and vivenza)
the dissonance and break down of tonality is always perplexing at the beginning of a song, demanding your attention, but then a pattern starts to emerge. It's comforting but also brutal, and makes me zone out but not really...i can work on something with industrial-noise playing in the background and my mind would still be picking up on nuances, it helps my thoughts fall into place...sort of like meditation
The sky is clear, the sea is blue.
Now everybody can breathe free air.
The hammer and the sickle are not
hurting anybody anymore.
They are talking about hard work. (not sure)
Welcome Perestroika, democracy
One country is escaping dictatorship.
Welcome Perestroika. Welcome nirvana.
The red flag is not so scary anymore.
A tractor is plowing a field, the land is bearing fruit
"Rahva Hääl" (Estonian newspaper) is not lying anymore.
Its mouth is not smoking with lies. (literally)
Prohibited movies are now showing at the movie theatres.
Prohibited bands are now allowed to perform.
Welcome Perestroika, democracy
It is great to escape dictatorship.
Welcome Perestroika, welcome freedom.
Everybody is singing patriotic songs.
Police (miilits-older days) uniforms are not sickening anymore.
Police force is worth praise.
Police and punk rocker are friendly now,
greeting each other with a handshake.
Welcome Perestroika, taaderiidaraa
Our country belongs to you and me now.
There is going to be a big anniversary every year.
People are partying: juhhei auu
There is not going to be an empty well in Virumaa.
There is going to be plane landing in front of a mausoleum.
There is no denying: democracy is big.
When adoring democracy, people's mouths remain open.
Welcome Perestroika into my homeland.
I'm welcoming you as long as I can.
Welcome Perestroika, democracy
Welcome Peresroika, give me five.
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