Prophetic dreams?

[nexion]

Yeah, you can call me crazy... OR you can listen to what I have to say like a true INTP would because you know you are curious or maybe even familiar.

I know it may seem odd... but I have had "prophetic" dreams since I was a small child (either that or hella weird dreams). But seriously, I've had some dreams that I couldn't explain at all. They were just single moments of some time. Weeks or months later, that exact moment happened the exact way it did in the dream. Other times, I forgot the dream but knew I'd seen it before when it happened. I can come to this conclusion because I already knew what it felt like because there were some dreams I did remember.

In my life, it has happened no less than ten times... although, all the events were extremely mundane and insignificant. I swear I'm telling the truth.

My question is, what's up with this? Or has this ever happened to anyone else?

 

[Jackooboy]

I had a dream my cousin died in a car accident 2 weeks before it happened.

 

[nexion]

Very interesting. What were your reactions to this dream at first and after it became true?

 

[Deleted member 1424]

It sounds like...

I have intense feelings of déjà vu quite often, as well as the 'remembering upon a dream' feeling you describe. It's not terribly uncommon actually. It's generally believed to be a neurological error, rather than anything mystical. That's why that although these situations feel incredibly familiar, specific details are rather thin on the mind's ground.

 

[nexion]

It sounds like...

I have intense feelings of déjà vu quite often, as well as the 'remembering upon a dream' feeling you describe. It's not terribly uncommon actually. It's generally believed to be a neurological error, rather than anything mystical. That's why that although these situations feel incredibly familiar, specific details are rather thin on the mind's ground.

Memories formed out of thin air, you mean? As in, one's mind makes something up and makes it seem that it is something which had already been experienced. Makes sense, I suppose. I had never thought about it before, although it really makes one suspicious of all his memories... not that I have too many. Wasted space if you ask me.

 

[Razare]

Yeah, you can call me crazy... OR you can listen to what I have to say like a true INTP would because you know you are curious or maybe even familiar.

I know it may seem odd... but I have had "prophetic" dreams since I was a small child (either that or hella weird dreams). But seriously, I've had some dreams that I couldn't explain at all. They were just single moments of some time. Weeks or months later, that exact moment happened the exact way it did in the dream. Other times, I forgot the dream but knew I'd seen it before when it happened. I can come to this conclusion because I already knew what it felt like because there were some dreams I did remember.

In my life, it has happened no less than ten times... although, all the events were extremely mundane and insignificant. I swear I'm telling the truth.

My question is, what's up with this? Or has this ever happened to anyone else?

I had a dream my cousin died in a car accident 2 weeks before it happened.

I could tell you why this happens, but you probably wouldn't believe me. If I did explain it, every other INTP on the forum would dust off their pitchforks.

So figure it out for yourself, lol... That's probably the only answer you'll believe anyway.

 

[nexion]

I could tell you why this happens, but you probably wouldn't believe me. If I did explain it, every other INTP on the forum would dust off their pitchforks.

So figure it out for yourself, lol... That's probably the only answer you'll believe anyway.

I would love to know what you have to say, regardless of whether or not you think I'd believe you. If you are really worried about debate could you at least PM it to me?

 

[Razare]

I will, because the INTP's will pick it apart to an exacting degree. Their prods are 100% logical, but what you've experienced is illogical, so an illogical answer is necessary.

 

[nexion]

I will, because the INTP's will pick it apart to an exacting degree. Their prods are 100% logical, but what you've experience is illogical, so an illogical answer is necessary.

Very well. I shall eagerly await it.

 

[RubberDucky451]

I've had some of the same experiences, it's quite weird. I haven't had deja vu in awhile though.

 

[Razare]

I get deja vu quite a bit. Personally, it happens when I commit something to long term memory while it's still stored in short term memory. Like if I recall a short term memory a few times, it gets committed to long term, and I know it has because I'll get deju vu the second or third time I access a short term memory.

The first time I recall the memory, I never get deju vu. After that, I might. I'll think... "Didn't this happen before, like I dreamed it a long time ago and just forgot."

 

[snafupants]

keep a dream journal and jot down details of every dream you can remember. this way you can corroborate what you wrote down with reality.

 

[Deleted member 1424]

Memories formed out of thin air, you mean? As in, one's mind makes something up and makes it seem that it is something which had already been experienced. Makes sense, I suppose. I had never thought about it before, although it really makes one suspicious of all his memories... not that I have too many. Wasted space if you ask me.

no

Read the wiki; it has a few examples.

 

[Anthile]

http://faculty.washington.edu/eloftus/Articles/sciam.htm

I could tell you why this happens, but you probably wouldn't believe me. If I did explain it, every other INTP on the forum would dust off their pitchforks.

So figure it out for yourself, lol... That's probably the only answer you'll believe anyway.

Of course it could be the case that some deity sends you prophetic dreams but what are the odds? What is the evidence? What are the consequences?

 

[nexion]

no

Read the wiki; it has a few examples.

Alright, got it.

I also enjoyed reading about jamais vu and presque vu.

 

[Cavallier]

I will, because the INTP's will pick it apart to an exacting degree. Their prods are 100% logical, but what you've experienced is illogical, so an illogical answer is necessary.

Now I'm ridiculously curious about your "illogical answer" while simultaneously disgusted by your accusations. I suspect you planned it this way.

@ xxpbdudexx: I've had similar experiences. I think most of them, the mundane ones that don't seem to matter at all, can be accounted for by deja vu. However, I've had a few that involved a future choice to be made that have left me feeling a little freaked out. I suspect my overactive subconscious plays a part in these.

 

[nexion]

Perhaps. Razare's solution was illogical, but not entirely impossible.

Just like I think about Razare's solution, I have to tell Anthile that while I sometimes doubt any sort or deity or supernatural deity has any part in much, it would be foolish to entirely discount such possibilities because there is no evidence disproving it. Of course, it could also be a solution of one or more substances.

 

[Anthile]

Perhaps. Razare's solution was illogical, but not entirely impossible.

Just like I think about Razare's solution, I have to tell Anthile that while I sometimes doubt any sort or deity or supernatural deity has any part in much, it would be foolish to entirely discount such possibilities because there is no evidence disproving it. Of course, it could also be a solution of one or more substances.

Well, then good luck figuring out which one. Shintoism alone features no less than infinite deities (kamis).

 

[nexion]

I am one who believes that we shall know the exact nature of any god(s) or the nonexistence of any god(s) after death.

 

[Claverhouse]

http://faculty.washington.edu/eloftus/Articles/sciam.htm




Of course it could be the case that some deity sends you prophetic dreams but what are the odds? What is the evidence? What are the consequences?

Well, if only half of a world population of billions dream each night, there are good odds that a few of these will be significantly prophetic of some random event that may come to pass.

In less complicated existences of the past, presumably a lot of shepherds, spending most every waking moment thinking of sheep --- and/or sex, and food, or all combined --- dreamt almost exclusively of sheep. If they now and then dreamt a particular individual sheep was dead, the odds are that occasionally sometimes this too would come to pass.


Peasant lives aren't all they are cracked up to be.





Claverhouse

 

[AlisaD]

I will, because the INTP's will pick it apart to an exacting degree. Their prods are 100% logical, but what you've experienced is illogical, so an illogical answer is necessary.

I despise logic. So have some balls and out with your theory.

Please? I really want to know.

 

[grey matters]

When I was a child I had a dream that my older sister had been raped. It scared me so bad I couldn't go back to sleep so I went and slept with my mother in her room. Two hours later my mom gets the phone call from the police that indeed it did happen. This freaked the shit out of me.
About 10 years later I was on top of one of the world trade towers. I had a vivid premonition of the towers falling down in the manner that they did fall down. What was freaky about it was I felt the tremors.
Now folks apply your logic to those stories. Yes BTW they are absolutely true.

 

[MidnightGino]

When I was a child I had a dream that my older sister had been raped. It scared me so bad I couldn't go back to sleep so I went and slept with my mother in her room. Two hours later my mom gets the phone call from the police that indeed it did happen. This freaked the shit out of me.
About 10 years later I was on top of one of the world trade towers. I had a vivid premonition of the towers falling down in the manner that they did fall down. What was freaky about it was I felt the tremors.
Now folks apply your logic to those stories. Yes BTW they are absolutely true.

You all want crazy theories? Here goes one.

Time is a dimension. It may be possible to time travel. What if, our minds, are connected? Like a tree with its branches, I guess.

About your sister's rape (I don't feel comortable saying it like that, so let's just call it "case A"). About case A, maybe your and your sister's brain waves have adapted to being around each other. You can't feel that and read her mind when you're awake, but when you're asleep, you can, because your unconscious is in charge and less attention is directed to your senses. So, at this moment, you can feel/read her mind in certain cases. Then, when your sister was being raped, she was probably having a lot of brain activity, she was thinking very strongly about that moment, and you received that thought, and had that dream. Remember, in my theory, it is possible that thoughts travel in time.

Now, about case B. You were on top of the World Trade Center (WTC for short). But you were awake. You were in the same place, probably thinking about the WTC. When the WTC towers were destroyed, there was a great amount "thought force" of all the people thinking about it. Maybe you catched one of those thoughts and that's why you had the premonition. The tremors? Maybe they were part of the thought, or your brain thought your body was feeling a tremor, but it was actually the thought from some random person.

Ok, that was a little crazy, wasn't it? I know it's nearly impossible that that was what happened, but oh well, everyone was asking for crazy theories and I had this one.

Feel free to absolutely destroy and crush my theory.

 

[pjoa09]

i dunno i always think everything is a deja vu.. my brain's fucked up.. i see something.. and i am like ohh i think i did.. did i? did i dream that or am i thinking of it 2 seconds ago and somehow now i think its 2 months ago.?

 

[grey matters]

Midnight, I often muse over the very theory you mentioned. Unfortunately I get frustrated by the fact that we should have the technology by now to measure the effects of brainwaves. Lately I have developed a prejudice against speculating on the effects of brainwaves. I apologize for my prejudice, it's nothing against you. I know too many people who have been sucked into that stupid book "The Secret". But of course I'll discuss the theory anyway....but....Do I get to kill (or at least damage severely) anyone who mentions the book "The Secret?" ..... Pretty Pleeese? ....Pretty, pretty Pleesee?

I often wonder if time is such a thing that information can somehow leave one moment in time and be sent to another moment in time. Weather the means to do so is by brainwaves or something else I still wonder if it is possible.

 

[MidnightGino]

Midnight, I often muse over the very theory you mentioned. Unfortunately I get frustrated by the fact that we should have the technology by now to measure the effects of brainwaves. Lately I have developed a prejudice against speculating on the effects of brainwaves. I apologize for my prejudice, it's nothing against you. I know too many people who have been sucked into that stupid book "The Secret". But of course I'll discuss the theory anyway....but....Do I get to kill (or at least damage severely) anyone who mentions the book "The Secret?" ..... Pretty Pleeese? ....Pretty, pretty Pleesee?

I often wonder if time is such a thing that information can somehow leave one moment in time and be sent to another moment in time. Weather the means to do so is by brainwaves or something else I still wonder if it is possible.

I've never read that book, but I know what crap it's about. *sarcasm taking over* Sure, because, if I think a black hole will appear over my house and beg to the universe, it WILL appear. *sarcasm leaving* I still believe our brains are more powerful than we believe they are, just not in that way.

And yes, you can do it.

 

[grey matters]

How? Or does the answer involve more math then I could comprehend in a lifetime of trying.

 

[MidnightGino]

How? Or does the answer involve more math then I could comprehend in a lifetime of trying.

When I said that you could do it, I was talking about killing someone who read "The Secret", not about time travel.

If Einstein would've lived some more years... Einstein, please come back, we need you here.

Stupid human lifespan, it's too short.

 

[nexion]

Okay, so logic and the realm of believability aside what exactly is one supposed to do with a prophetic dream? Take GM for example. What could he/she possibly have done to change the outcomes of those dreams? What is the point of knowing something horrible will happen when you can't do a damned thing about it?

If it is some sort of deity then it's just more of this kid with a bug bullshit.

Yeah, for all the ones I've had, I've never been able to do anything about them. But, like I said, they were entirely insignificant points in my life.

I agree that I have sometimes had deja vu. But I know I have woken up from a dream before, and then the exact dream happened in real life later. Happened just today, in fact. I was browsing another forum, and it hit me. I dreamed that dream a few weeks to a month ago.

You all want crazy theories? Here goes one.

Time is a dimension. It may be possible to time travel. What if, our minds, are connected? Like a tree with its branches, I guess.

About your sister's rape (I don't feel comortable saying it like that, so let's just call it "case A"). About case A, maybe your and your sister's brain waves have adapted to being around each other. You can't feel that and read her mind when you're awake, but when you're asleep, you can, because your unconscious is in charge and less attention is directed to your senses. So, at this moment, you can feel/read her mind in certain cases. Then, when your sister was being raped, she was probably having a lot of brain activity, she was thinking very strongly about that moment, and you received that thought, and had that dream. Remember, in my theory, it is possible that thoughts travel in time.

Now, about case B. You were on top of the World Trade Center (WTC for short). But you were awake. You were in the same place, probably thinking about the WTC. When the WTC towers were destroyed, there was a great amount "thought force" of all the people thinking about it. Maybe you catched one of those thoughts and that's why you had the premonition. The tremors? Maybe they were part of the thought, or your brain thought your body was feeling a tremor, but it was actually the thought from some random person.

Ok, that was a little crazy, wasn't it? I know it's nearly impossible that that was what happened, but oh well, everyone was asking for crazy theories and I had this one.

Feel free to absolutely destroy and crush my theory.

http://www.tenthdimension.com/medialinks.php

Pretty interesting theory. I doubt it's really possible to debate because we do not know enough about thoughts and brainwaves.

When I said that you could do it, I was talking about killing someone who read "The Secret", not about time travel.

If Einstein would've lived some more years... Einstein, please come back, we need you here.

Stupid human lifespan, it's too short.

We could always recreate him as a Cyborg.

But his brain has probably already decayed. The flesh is so weak.

 

[MidnightGino]

Yeah, for all the ones I've had, I've never been able to do anything about them. But, like I said, they were entirely insignificant points in my life.

I agree that I have sometimes had deja vu. But I know I have woken up from a dream before, and then the exact dream happened in real life later. Happened just today, in fact. I was browsing another forum, and it hit me. I dreamed that dream a few weeks to a month ago.

http://www.tenthdimension.com/medialinks.php

Pretty interesting theory. I doubt it's really possible to debate because we do not know enough about thoughts and brainwaves.

We could always recreate him as a Cyborg.

But his brain has probably already decayed. The flesh is so weak.

Oh no! I can't check that link right now. I'll try to do it on my computer later.

Actually, I don't know if you knew, but Einstein's brain was removed and preserved after his death. But, I think it was cut in 240 blocks... Shall we, all the INTP forum, try to reconstruct his brain and create a Einsteinborg? We have to bring him back.

 

[nexion]

Oh no! I can't check that link right now. I'll try to do it on my computer later.

Actually, I don't know if you knew, but Einstein's brain was removed and preserved after his death. But, I think it was cut in 240 blocks... Shall we, all the INTP forum, try to reconstruct his brain and create a Einsteinborg? We have to bring him back.

It is absolutely necessary.

Link is cool, somewhat related to what you posited.

 

[Razare]

I despise logic. So have some balls and out with your theory.

Please? I really want to know.

Ok... In a nutshell it is that agents of the higher power that is, are granted certain abilities to use on the higher power's behalf. One such ability they have is entering our dreams, either by revealing themselves, or by projecting images. Another such ability that some possess is the power to know probable futures. They can then share that likely future in a dream with someone, if they are permitted and/or inclined to do so. Some of us have these special dreams on occasion, and remember them. Most of us, probably do not.

I'm not getting into details regarding the higher power or who his agents are, because oddly, I find this to be the #1 contention when I discuss my beliefs, when really it is a trivial point. Because if you want to believe the agents are something else, or if the agents do not exist, then ok... They're really just a medium for the higher power to act, so you could argue they are an extension of him. And if you want to come up with a different way to describe the higher power, then ok... I understand it at least 2 different ways, anyhow.

I also do not think I have a complete understanding of it all. I just know certain things to be true, and if there's more to the story than that, then so be it.

 

[warryer]

I like this thread because it tells me that there are people out there that are willing to think outside of what is commonly accepted (aka I'm right because my army is bigger than yours). Once upon a time humans believed that the sun rotated around the earth.

@pjoa09:

Your few lines make me feel very paranoid. When you think about it how can you really know if it happened 2 seconds or 2 months ago? This is the kind of thinking that makes my mind want to eat itself.

Just spent a good 10 minutes thinking about what this could mean... and it definitely wants to twist itself into non-existence.

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Ok so here goes my idea. It is something similar to Midnight's. Also I should say that I did not watch the video but, I remember watching something about how to think and visualize the various dimensions.

I think that time as we know it is really the procession of the third dimension through what is the fourth dimension.

I think a good way to think of this is if you have a camera with its shutter left open sitting in a field. When looking at the photo, you would be able to see every single point the sun took all at once from sunrise to sunset.

So with this idea in mind, it seems to me that time is really a fabrication. We are only able to experience an instance by instance account of each point in the fourth dimension. The fourth dimension already exists in its entirety.

Perhaps with the right amount of energy we can slow or accelerate the procession of these instances. Think of relativity here. Maybe somehow in the dream state our minds are able to jump farther ahead then our bodies can.

I hope you can understand what I mean here.

tl;dr: All information already exists. Somehow our minds are able to access this "universal information storage."

 

[nexion]

How? Or does the answer involve more math then I could comprehend in a lifetime of trying.

It actually is possible to travel into the future, but not in the way most people would think. It is a theory that is part of Einstein's theory of relativity.

Here's a related article:
http://news.discovery.com/space/is-time-travel-possible.html
Video:
YouTube- Time Travel: Einstein's big idea (Theory of Relativity)

Currently, there is no way to, and no accepted theory, regarding traveling into the past. Really amazing stuff, though.

 

[MidnightGino]

It actually is possible to travel into the future, but not in the way most people would think. It is a theory that is part of Einstein's theory of relativity.

Here's a related article:
http://news.discovery.com/space/is-time-travel-possible.html
Video:
YouTube- Time Travel: Einstein's big idea (Theory of Relativity)

Currently, there is no way to, and no accepted theory, regarding traveling into the past. Really amazing stuff, though.

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Great video! I really liked the explanation.

 

[grey matters]

BTW, while most prophesies involve the prophet getting really really high and others "interpreting" the "prophesy" (which, like a horoscope is so vague that it could apply to any situation) from what I understood there have been very clear prophesies (be they dream or vision) in the past among many different cultures that actually were correct. I don't have the time right now to cite them.

 

[snafupants]

I like this thread because it tells me that there are people out there that are willing to think outside of what is commonly accepted (aka I'm right because my army is bigger than yours). Once upon a time humans believed that the sun rotated around the earth.

@pjoa09:

Your few lines make me feel very paranoid. When you think about it how can you really know if it happened 2 seconds or 2 months ago? This is the kind of thinking that makes my mind want to eat itself.

Just spent a good 10 minutes thinking about what this could mean... and it definitely wants to twist itself into non-existence.

-----

Ok so here goes my idea. It is something similar to Midnight's. Also I should say that I did not watch the video but, I remember watching something about how to think and visualize the various dimensions.

I think that time as we know it is really the procession of the third dimension through what is the fourth dimension.

I think a good way to think of this is if you have a camera with its shutter left open sitting in a field. When looking at the photo, you would be able to see every single point the sun took all at once from sunrise to sunset.

So with this idea in mind, it seems to me that time is really a fabrication. We are only able to experience an instance by instance account of each point in the fourth dimension. The fourth dimension already exists in its entirety.

Perhaps with the right amount of energy we can slow or accelerate the procession of these instances. Think of relativity here. Maybe somehow in the dream state our minds are able to jump farther ahead then our bodies can.

I hope you can understand what I mean here.

tl;dr: All information already exists. Somehow our minds are able to access this "universal information storage."

good ideas, but the end reminds me of predestination. even some eminent sages - dark tower reference - and prognosticators throughout history have argued that the future is being shaped in the present and not cemented per se. the notion of probable futures sneaking through to a semblance of conscious consciousness seems a valid idea. this belief that once a future reality - or two - is winnowed down enough and clear enough, it may be projected onto consciousness with little disguise seems reasonable. the situation gets too involved when one considers who or what is attempting to send these future events down to us. not to mention the how or why or when - if time applies at all.

 

[nexion]

I like this thread because it tells me that there are people out there that are willing to think outside of what is commonly accepted (aka I'm right because my army is bigger than yours). Once upon a time humans believed that the sun rotated around the earth.

@pjoa09:

Your few lines make me feel very paranoid. When you think about it how can you really know if it happened 2 seconds or 2 months ago? This is the kind of thinking that makes my mind want to eat itself.

Just spent a good 10 minutes thinking about what this could mean... and it definitely wants to twist itself into non-existence.

-----

Ok so here goes my idea. It is something similar to Midnight's. Also I should say that I did not watch the video but, I remember watching something about how to think and visualize the various dimensions.

I think that time as we know it is really the procession of the third dimension through what is the fourth dimension.

I think a good way to think of this is if you have a camera with its shutter left open sitting in a field. When looking at the photo, you would be able to see every single point the sun took all at once from sunrise to sunset.

So with this idea in mind, it seems to me that time is really a fabrication. We are only able to experience an instance by instance account of each point in the fourth dimension. The fourth dimension already exists in its entirety.

Perhaps with the right amount of energy we can slow or accelerate the procession of these instances. Think of relativity here. Maybe somehow in the dream state our minds are able to jump farther ahead then our bodies can.

I hope you can understand what I mean here.

tl;dr: All information already exists. Somehow our minds are able to access this "universal information storage."

Really no point in putting a tl;dr up here. I've found that people here actually like to read.

I think this makes sense, and the video you once saw is the one I posted.

However, I know, for the context of this thread, you included the theory of all time already being there, but it's really impossible to tell. That would preclude a deterministic system, one is which everything is absolutely certain. In our system, it's not, at least not yet.

I like to think of time more as a line (perhaps a ray). It is infinite on at least one end, and moves forward. Time is a human construct, and its purpose is to describe the movement of particles. But just like the principles of math, it is clearly imprinted on the universe. I don't think we created it to describe something, but that it already described something since the beginning of it and we discovered what it describes.

 

[AlisaD]

Ok... In a nutshell it is that agents of the higher power that is, are granted certain abilities to use on the higher power's behalf. One such ability they have is entering our dreams, either by revealing themselves, or by projecting images. Another such ability that some possess is the power to know probable futures. They can then share that likely future in a dream with someone, if they are permitted and/or inclined to do so. Some of us have these special dreams on occasion, and remember them. Most of us, probably do not.

I'm not getting into details regarding the higher power or who his agents are, because oddly, I find this to be the #1 contention when I discuss my beliefs, when really it is a trivial point. Because if you want to believe the agents are something else, or if the agents do not exist, then ok... They're really just a medium for the higher power to act, so you could argue they are an extension of him. And if you want to come up with a different way to describe the higher power, then ok... I understand it at least 2 different ways, anyhow.

I also do not think I have a complete understanding of it all. I just know certain things to be true, and if there's more to the story than that, then so be it.

Thank you for sharing your theory, it's no crazier then any other

 

[Allinea]

I personally don't think much of deja vu. I think about it for a moment, and then forget about it. There could be a hundred million reasons why we experience deja vu; some superhuman playing with our minds; a deity planting warning in our heads, or it could be simply overactive imaginations that everyone has.

 

[nexion]

I personally don't think much of deja vu. I think about it for a moment, and then forget about it. There could be a hundred million reasons why we experience deja vu; some superhuman playing with our minds; a deity planting warning in our heads, or it could be simply overactive imaginations that everyone has.

Which do you choose to believe?