Programming is good

[Architect]

for the INTP ...

First a list taken from Vivek Halder

• Money. It’s a well-paid job. It pays the bills, and leaves over fun money. You don’t mind it.
• Purpose. Your programs help a lot people do their jobs, live and enjoy their lives.
• Creator’s machismo. Your programs handle a gazillion queries per second and run on a trillion machines and make a jintillion dollars every minute. Take that!
• Beauty. You find programming artifacts to be beautiful objects in their own right. You use it as a channel for self-expression, just like sculptors and painters. You enjoy the feel and flow of your tools and environment, just like some enjoy brushes and palettes and chisels.
• Intellectual exercise. You find programming to be a grand intellectual adventure. Not only is it fun and challenging, but gives wings to your thoughts by making them executable. You use computation to explore the boundaries of the possible. It staves away boredom.

I would add to the list

• Lazyness is a virtue. I've made a career of finding ways not to do things the Sensor engineers I worked with marched off, like army ants, to implement that were completely pointless. Metaprogramming - getting the computer to do work for you - is a high art in computer programming
• Ample and daily opportunity to work in architecture and design rather than bit banging and code slinging
• Self intellectual determination. Your ability to get work done and get what you want are entirely due to your intellectual abilities. Every day you get to exercise your cleverness and knowledge for your own gain; only the stupid have a tough time.

I recommend all INTPs to take up computer programming for fun and ideally profit.

 

[Tony3d]

I have had my fun with programming in the past, but I don't really like it.

This is about the extent of my programming ability, I only took on the role of writing the code because no one else would, but I end the end found it to be quite dry.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/11974290/RobotGame.zip

 

[own8ge]

Programming is to much robot for me, I'd rather make the concept for a programmer to elaborate

 

[Architect]

Programming is to much robot for me, I'd rather make the concept for a programmer to elaborate

Grasshopper, the best programmer is right in front of you. Recall what I said about metaprogramming.

 

[RadicalDreamer31]

I intend to to so.

My brief career based education is of web design and animation. However I've dipped my feet in the world of programming, especially android development, and the waters are challenging and welcoming.

Some of my clearest and most persistent concepts are of how to further harmonize and integrate agency of individuals into common purpose, obviously through use of our techno-tools. So wanting my ideas to be realized and utilized, yeah programming is good.

But I still struggle with dreaming realistically, if I am passionate, my concepts rapidly progress beyond my capabilities of creation, articulation or even practicality. Discouragement ensues.

So if I am able employ myself, or work with someone else...

 

[EyeSeeCold]

I tried to learn C or C++ several years ago, but it was too complicated and tedious. I've been doing JS and Python exercises over at Codecademy, and programming still does not seem like something for me. My attitude of it is similar to that of mathematics.

 

[kvothe27]

Programming and higher mathematics have provided me with hope and purpose in my life. For the first time in over a decade, I am happy. That may sound melodramatic, but it's true.

 

[Words]

I wish I could state that, in the long run, the relationship between programming and INTP is deterministic and necessarily compatible, because it just makes sense. I don't have enough data though.

I would enter it myself if i did not have obligation to venture on a different path. I wish I could learn alone in my free time. The interest is there, but I think I lack the intelligence.

 

[nexion]

I quite like programming, which I suppose is a good thing, as I intend to make a career out of it.

Computer systems, data structures, algorithmic problem solving... I adore this stuff.

 

[pernoctator]

Programming is to much robot for me, I'd rather make the concept for a programmer to elaborate

So you like dealing with concepts, and you're lazy... sounds like you would make a good programmer.

I mean if by robot you mean tedious, repetitive work, well... avoiding that is the whole point of programming. Programmers describe concepts to robotic machines and let them carry it out.

 

[pjoa09]

WHY CAN'T I SEE THE LIGHT!

I get lost and lazy a lot while learning.

Need.more.time.

It actually improved my attitude to math. I used to hate it and now it seems like a fun free time thing but it still doesn't beat Youtube which makes it a love and hate relationship.

 

[Affinity]

I would also add the fact that programming is challenging as well as ever changing. Those are some of the things that have attracted me to it.

 

[Anamnesis]

MATLAB. It took me a long time to learn it, and I really enjoy using it to solve problems in new and interesting way, but only when it works. When I run into a bug, however, it becomes hair-pulling time. It can get so frustrating, often needlessly.

Paper/pen for me.

 

[Architect]

WHY CAN'T I SEE THE LIGHT!

I get lost and lazy a lot while learning.

Personal desires and motivation are funny things, understanding ourselves is especially hard. Without a mirror how does the eye see itself?

I worked as a software engineer for a decade. I took it for granted; yeah I knew that I liked my work, but I fell into it by accident and never took it seriously in a certain way. I mean I never really considered myself a programmer, I always went for loftier things like Composing or theoretical physics. I thought that I liked my job mainly for the paycheck and the glory.

It finally took making enough lucre where I had the option of quitting my job if I wanted and doing what I really wanted to do. I was so stupid, it took my wife to gently point out that whenever I got into something first thing was I got a computer involved somehow.

 

[Analyzer]

I want to get involved in web development and want to provide digital media to the world, but is that considered programming? Yes, I know programming languages and OOP are used such as in PHP or Ruby, but sometimes I feel like the web is just one aspect of "programming". Am I missing something? I have heard people say all programming is becoming web programming. I know this is not the case as there are operating systems that still have to be programmed which are web independent, but most software benefits from being on the web as anyone can access it.

 

[pernoctator]

It's possible to successfully produce something for the web with very little or no programming, but it's also possible to go deeper and see all the attractions that Architect is talking about, within the realm of web development. Some elitists will tell you web development isn't real programming, but that's mostly because they haven't realized how much it has evolved since the early 90s, or they're dicks, or a bit of both.

 

[Duxwing]

Personal desires and motivation are funny things, understanding ourselves is especially hard. Without a mirror how does the eye see itself?

I worked as a software engineer for a decade. I took it for granted; yeah I knew that I liked my work, but I fell into it by accident and never took it seriously in a certain way. I mean I never really considered myself a programmer, I always went for loftier things like Composing or theoretical physics. I thought that I liked my job mainly for the paycheck and the glory.

It finally took making enough lucre where I had the option of quitting my job if I wanted and doing what I really wanted to do. I was so stupid, it took my wife to gently point out that whenever I got into something first thing was I got a computer involved somehow.

CS seems like a good back-up plan, but I feel like it lacks that feeling of (for lack of a better word) nobility that comes from philosophy and its attendant excitements: truth, debate, and writing tracts. I likewise look a theoretical physics as something great and exciting. Yet, in the general case, I'm frustrated by knowing that we're all meaningless in the end; existential depression really puts a damper on things.

-Duxwing

 

[pjoa09]

Personal desires and motivation are funny things, understanding ourselves is especially hard. Without a mirror how does the eye see itself?

I worked as a software engineer for a decade. I took it for granted; yeah I knew that I liked my work, but I fell into it by accident and never took it seriously in a certain way. I mean I never really considered myself a programmer, I always went for loftier things like Composing or theoretical physics. I thought that I liked my job mainly for the paycheck and the glory.

It finally took making enough lucre where I had the option of quitting my job if I wanted and doing what I really wanted to do. I was so stupid, it took my wife to gently point out that whenever I got into something first thing was I got a computer involved somehow.

Unfortunately, I don't have a wife.

A bit too young for one.

I haven't exactly found a resonating opinion from my family members or as such.

Some point out I am not suited for my current occupation and some think I am. I think if I type them out the Nes think I should stay at work.

Desire shifts a lot. I always wonder what would happen if I were so rich I could retire and then wind up saying 'this sucks'. Maybe it's essential to get fired or have a sabbatical once while deciding on a career. Maybe true desires will find their way rather than the lofty ones. I have had way too many lofty desires.

 

[Iuanes]

If I were to start learning a programming language which one do you suggest I start with? I'm thinking about one with the most modern relevance, but I'm open to whatever is cool.

I did some programming when I was a kid and in high school and sort of enjoyed the open ended problem solving involved. I liked solving the same problems as everybody but always coming up with different methods to get there (without intending it).

Help appreciated.

 

[A22]

Money. It’s a well-paid job.

Who pays well for it? Non web-developing.

 

[pjoa09]

Money. It’s a well-paid job.

Who pays well for it? Non web-developing.

I think you meant 'Not' and frankly I think whenever one mentions their Lamborghini they don't mention they are a novelist. It's often the lawyer or programmer.

But god. I mean why do it if it's not satisfying.