Physics and Tautology.

[s0cratus]

Physics and Tautology.
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Where did the masses for ‘ big bang ‘ come from ?
These masses came from surrounding space.
2
Where did these masses from surrounding space come from ?
These masses came from ‘big bang’.
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Why he is poor ?
Because he is stupid.
Why he is stupid?
Because he is poor.
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[BigApplePi]

Physics and Tautology.
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1
Where did the masses for ‘ big bang ‘ come from ?
These masses came from surrounding space.
2
Where did these masses from surrounding space come from ?
These masses came from ‘big bang’.
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Why he is poor ?
Because he is stupid.
Why he is stupid?
Because he is poor.

Whenever one finds themselves in a rut with circular reasoning, they must search for another variable dimension so they may spiral out.

1. Separated masses randomly touched causing all that trouble.

2. Poverty of mind and body is still poverty.

 

[s0cratus]

Physics and Tautology.
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1
Where did the masses for ‘ big bang ‘ come from ?
These masses came from surrounding space.
2
Where did these masses from surrounding space come from ?
These masses came from ‘big bang’.
===.
Why is he poor ?
Because he is stupid.
Why is he stupid?
Because he is poor.
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The ‘big bang’ doesn’t give answer to the question:
where did the mass come from ?
To understand this we need go out from ‘ big bang’ .
But ‘ the big bang theory is an effort to explain what happened
at the very beginning of our universe. Prior to that moment there
was nothing;’
So, . . where do we go out ?
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[BigApplePi]

So, . . where do we go out ?
[/QUOTE]
You go out and look for possibilities.

 

[s0cratus]

So, . . where do we go out ?
[/QUOTE]
You go out and look for possibilities.

If I go out of mass then it can be only one possibility -
- I will enter into an empty space.
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‘ A world without masses, without electrons, without an
electromagnetic field is an empty world. Such an empty
world is flat. But if masses appear, if charged particles
appear, if an electromagnetic field appears then our world
becomes curved. Its geometry is Riemannian, that is,
non- Euclidian.’
/ Book ‘Albert Einstein’ The page 116 . by Leopold Infeld. /
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[PhoenixRising]

Interestingly enough, according to particle physics and basic cosmology, there would be no "masses" before the big bang. It was more like an extremely energetic vibration at an infinitely small scale, a waveform. The Higgs theory states that mass is derived from the interaction of fermions and leptons with Higgs particles. Higgs are what create mass. Before the decoupling epoch where energy and mass became separate entities, there were no consistent particles. There may have been no mass as well, just various forms of energetic subatomic particles.

I like to think of it like this: "God spoke, and there was light." Something created a wave disturbance and that is what sparked the big bang.

Also, s0cratus, as far as we know, this type of universe is the only type that exists, and the laws of physics are universal even outside of this universe. However, we really don't know, there could be countless universes that are in fact curved but do not contain particles. There could be unique laws of physics for each universe. In science, it is always important to keep an open mind about the unknown, for we can't know until we discover.

 

[Coolydudey]

Quantum mechanics or string theory may one day provide the full explanation.

 

[sammael]

Why he no understand science?
Because he is ignorant.
Why is he ignorant?
Because he no understand science.

The laws of mass energy and/or the first law of thermodynamics tell us that mass and energy can be neither created or destroyed, but can be rearranged and transformed. Mass can come from energy and vise versa. Science emphatically does not assert that the universe arose suddenly out of nothing, there is nothing magical or something from ex nihilo nothing about the big bang theory. Everything present after the big bang was present before, although it may have been in a different state/form. Your assertion of 'tautology' is incorrect because the statements you have attributed as self reinforcing are incorrect.

Also, empty space does not mean absolute nothingness, I refer you to Vacuum.

 

[ideae]

That (P IMPLIES Q) AND (Q IMPLIES P) is equivalent to P IFF Q is an established definition in logic.

 

[s0cratus]

That (P IMPLIES Q) AND (Q IMPLIES P) is equivalent to P IFF Q is an established definition in logic.

. . . an established definition in logic:
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ab=ba
2
ab ≠ ba

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[Art-Toyon-Aga]

If the laws of mathematics are the tautologies of physics, what would you consider to be meta-mathematics?

(Although I must say, philosophy is at the roots of theoretical physics while in perhaps all its implications.)

Quantum mechanics or string theory may one day provide the full explanation.

Quantum Mechanics.

 

[SpaceYeti]

... I don't even know what this thread is about. The OP doesn't seem to be making any sense to me.

 

[Art-Toyon-Aga]

According to the Law of Contraposition,
(P → Q) ↔ (~Q → ~P)
...
and a white shoe further proves the existence of black ravens.

However according to Good in his "The White Shoe is a Red Herring,"
"Suppose that we know we are in one or other of two worlds, and the hypothesis, H, under consideration is that all the crows in our world are black. We know in advance that in one world there are a hundred black crows, no crows that are not black, and a million other birds; and that in the other world there are a thousand black crows, one white one, and a million other birds. A bird is selected equiprobably at random from all the birds in our world. It turns out to be a black crow. This is strong evidence . . . that we are in the second world, wherein not all crows are black. Thus the observation of a black crow, in the circumstances described, undermines the hypothesis that all the crows in our world are black. Thus the initial premise of the paradox of confirmation is false, and no reference to the contrapositive is required."

 

[SkyWalker]

Where did the masses for ‘ big bang ‘ come from ?

From primitive rationalities that masses of people used to run in their mind around 2000 AD.

 

[Sorlaize]

Why he is poor ?
Because he is stupid.
Why he is stupid?
Because he is poor.

Logic is "just" a construct, of many larger constructs (such as the universe itself) and as such, logic is not fit for modelling reasoning that answers a question completely. You have not answered everything about why the man is poor, or stupid, as those two lenses of analysis are not divorced from the rest of the universe. This is why your logic is circular in such few words: it answers nothing.

 

[rattymat]

Thank you sammael, you've pretty much explained anything I would have tried to.

 

[Words]

There's no time in terms of the big bang. And because there's no time, there's no causality. There's no "coming from." Perhaps it's a state like math. Everything is just one and in harmony, and no change. A mathematical operation isn't really an "operation", its a symbol/idea to assist the logical mind in viewing an already harmonious system. Non-temporal things(difficult to imagine) are not necessarily tautological.