Personology

[Analyzer]

Anybody read this book?

Looks interesting, Keirsey(PUM) seems to have a fetish for words and precise language constructs which I share.

 

[wilsonwatson]

Do you believe in astrology? It's clearly false...and I hope you don't.

If you do, you ought to know that due to the precession of the Earth, even if astrological signs were once accurate, they're wrong today.

Signs are determined by what constellation was in front of the sun at the time of your birth, and due to precession this changes over long periods of time (the period of precession of Earth is 26,000 years). Astrologers never corrected for this, and so astrology signs are almost a month off. The sign you think you are is wrong.

So how is it that all those horoscopes you read were eerily accurate? Perhaps because humans look for connections in everything and horoscopes are vague enough to fulfill our craving for something supernatural in our lives to tell us what to do. If you believed in your sign giving you information before, then you should know now that you were wrong. Are you still going to believe in astrology?

 

[Analyzer]

Do you believe in astrology? It's clearly false...and I hope you don't.

If you do, you ought to know that due to the precession of the Earth, even if astrological signs were once accurate, they're wrong today.

Signs are determined by what constellation was in front of the sun at the time of your birth, and due to precession this changes over long periods of time (the period of precession of Earth is 26,000 years). Astrologers never corrected for this, and so astrology signs are almost a month off. The sign you think you are is wrong.

So how is it that all those horoscopes you read were eerily accurate? Perhaps because humans look for connections in everything and horoscopes are vague enough to fulfill our craving for something supernatural in our lives to tell us what to do. If you believed in your sign giving you information before, then you should know now that you were wrong. Are you still going to believe in astrology?

No I don't believe in astrology. I don't believe in science either.

All systems of knowledge are based on vague correlations and relative causation. I believe in my own judgment, trying to see things for what they are as best as possible.

 

[wilsonwatson]

There's nothing wrong with that, I doubt science too sometimes. I mean, I have to believe in it on the surface I suppose, to do my research and whatnot, but in reality it's impossible to fully trust anything. The scientific method is not perfect, and can never reach the truth but only attempt to come closer and closer to it over time.

Though I respect believing in one's own judgment, keep in mind that we are imperfect human beings. Our empirical evidence is processed imperfectly and interpreted through significant bias by our monkey brains.

So yeah, trust nothing.

 

[Analyzer]

There's nothing wrong with that, I doubt science too sometimes. I mean, I have to believe in it on the surface I suppose, to do my research and whatnot, but in reality it's impossible to fully trust anything. The scientific method is not perfect, and can never reach the truth but only attempt to come closer and closer to it over time.

Though I respect believing in one's own judgment, keep in mind that we are imperfect human beings. Our empirical evidence is processed imperfectly and interpreted through significant bias by our monkey brains.

So yeah, trust nothing.

Right, though our judgment is all we have to filter and process input.

Ultimately I only believe in it because it is enjoyable, I take most pleasure in the pursuit of truth. Everything we think or know can all be wrong. As a civilization I think we are far from truly "understanding" most things including how our minds work. This is why I think a lot of AI research while noble, is shortsighted.

 

[Architect]

I've posted about the book. I have a copy, don't recommend it. I get the impression he couldn't get anybody to publish it so did it himself under a vanity label (surprisingly that's how he first published PUM too from what I understand). He was a humanities word smith, which I think rather got boring after a lifetime so he started playing games with describing the types by using specific words as descriptions. Or something like that ... I didn't find it useful, or comprehensible.

If you get it and figure it out (if there is anything to figure out) let me know.

 

[Analyzer]

I've posted about the book. I have a copy, don't recommend it. I get the impression he couldn't get anybody to publish it so did it himself under a vanity label (surprisingly that's how he first published PUM too from what I understand). He was a humanities word smith, which I think rather got boring after a lifetime so he started playing games with describing the types by using specific words as descriptions. Or something like that ... I didn't find it useful, or comprehensible.

If you get it and figure it out (if there is anything to figure out) let me know.

Lol, yeah I was reading some reviews where they said similar things.

 

[scorpiomover]

Anybody read this book?

No. Never heard of it before. Had to look it up. Based on Keirsey's explanation on his own site, it sounds like he's trying to explain the outliers with DISC for each type.

Looks interesting, Keirsey(PUM) seems to have a fetish for words and precise language constructs which I share.

He's an INTP as well.

 

[Architect]

He's an INTP as well.

He was an INTP (passed away last year), his son is still alive (maintains the site) and is an INTP too.

 

[Architect]

An interview with Kersey (the son)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcI46eAWIDo

In there he says that Personology was really a book written for Rationals, and even more perhaps INTP's.

I didn't have much time for it but will give it a more serious attempt.

 

[Analyzer]

An interview with Kersey (the son)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcI46eAWIDo

In there he says that Personology was really a book written for Rationals, and even more perhaps INTP's.

I didn't have much time for it but will give it a more serious attempt.

Interesting never knew his son was a AI researcher, I will probably buy it eventually. Funny how he mentions how the SJ's ignore this type of stuff the most.

 

[Architect]

Funny how he mentions how the SJ's ignore this type of stuff the most.

Definitely the truth.

I'll lob a criticism at him, I think both Kierseys have a shallow use of Typology. Ne/Ni etc is too confusing? Preferences approach is purely descriptive. There's no predicative power - as there is with the functions. Though lumping NT's, NF's, SJ's and SP's in their four groups was useful.

 

[Analyzer]

Yeah I thought the same. If I had to guess they wanted to separate themselves from Jung/MBTI, so they created the 4 groups and just focused on that.

 

[Architect]

I took a look at Personlogy again last night. Not sure I'll spend any time on it frankly. I think he takes the Descriptive approach to MBTI to extremes. Keirsey the elder was a word smith, not a scientist. He tried just using words to develop his ideas, and so didn't get past the descriptive to the predictive. I suspect this book is the pinnacle of that.

 

[Oddity]

Funny how he mentions how the SJ's ignore this type of stuff the most.

I like it when SJs avoid my interests and hobbies.