"permabanned"

[munk]

Just a friendly notice that I'll be around when I want to be. I was always a low post count member, so whether it's a year from now or 2 days from now, I'll be here posting what I feel like posting. Not to be antagonistic or anything, but I know how vbulletin works regarding moderation and that you don't have server access. I know your limits and they're insufficient. I promise not to hide who I am.

This is not intended as a threat. I'm not going to be coming here to be deliberately malicious or to spam the forum or anything like that. I'm just going to casually continue on as I have been, posting a few times every several months. I never had any regard for the rules to begin with, so don't expect a change in my tone, for better or worse.

Good luck

 

[Lot]

Hero the forum needs, but not the hero we deserve.

Where is Harvey Dent?

 

[redbaron]

I kinda wanna see how long it'll take before either the mods or munkey get bored. Ban 4 siens?

 

[munk]

I kinda wanna see how long it'll take before either the mods or munkey get bored. Ban 4 siens?

I think I have the advantage in that regard.

 

[Seteleechete]

[Yey! Finally someone does this. 4 siens! ^.^]

 

[redbaron]

I think I have the advantage in that regard.

such confident
so surety
very certain
wow

 

[Jennywocky]

 

[munk]

such confident
so surety
very certain
wow

I mainly mean in regard to my ability to dictate when I come and go and/or when attempts are made. I could be making accounts right now for all they know, stockpiling them. I'm not saying I am, but only I know, which is definitely an advantage, just technically speaking. Hell, I could have been doing this for years, stockpiling accounts, perhaps even posting as other people. I've only said I'll be honest with who I am, not necessarily who I've "been" (if that's even anyone other than myself). The unknowns of potential strategies are all advantageous to my position.

In addition to what I said in my initial post, I promise to not penetrate/hack the server in any way, including penetrating another existing account I did not create myself.

 

[TheManBeyond]

i came here for the drama
and i'm waiting for it

IT - Ti backwards, drama, ESFJ

 

[The Gopher]

Yeah it's a very nonchalant return compared to literally every other perma banned member ever. I mean personally I think insulting bvan should be rewarded but maybe I'm just a jerk.

 

[Seteleechete]

Yeah it's a very nonchalant return compared to literally every other perma banned member ever.

[Really? It's exactly what we were/are planning to do if we ever got perma-banned. Just ignore its existence, keep creating new accounts and post as normal. Seems like a natural thing to do for us. Spamming/revenge accounts for no reason is fairly pointless but bypassing a ban to keep interacting in a place you enjoy isn't.]

 

[The Gopher]

[Really? It's exactly what we were/are planning to do if we ever got perma-banned. Just ignore its existence, keep creating new accounts and post as normal. Seems like a natural thing to do for us, spamming/revenge accounts for no reason is fairly pointless but bypassing a ban to keep interacting in a place you enjoy isn't.]

Well while it's the logical thing to do, most people who get perma banned are emotional. Upset even. Now they may cool down and later do this however it's a change of pace to have it happen straight away. At least for here.

 

[Reluctantly]

What'd he do anyway? Most of the bans, I could see coming, but this one eludes me.

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

I kinda wanna see how long it'll take before either the mods or munkey get bored. Ban 4 siens?

I think I have the advantage in that regard.

Yeah, munk's autism is hard to beat. I know, I've seen it in nonstop action for years now.

 

[Auburn]

I mainly mean in regard to my ability to dictate when I come and go and/or when attempts are made. I could be making accounts right now for all they know, stockpiling them. I'm not saying I am, but only I know, which is definitely an advantage, just technically speaking. Hell, I could have been doing this for years, stockpiling accounts, perhaps even posting as other people. I've only said I'll be honest with who I am, not necessarily who I've "been" (if that's even anyone other than myself). The unknowns of potential strategies are all advantageous to my position.

In addition to what I said in my initial post, I promise to not penetrate/hack the server in any way, including penetrating another existing account I did not create myself.

Even if you had been stockpiling accounts, or decide to do so, the modship will still respond the same to further offensive behavior - whether we know it's you or not. So this would just be a very long and drawn out game of whack a mole.

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

So this would just be a very long and drawn out game of whack a mole.

whack-a-munk

 

[Deleted member 1424]

whack-a-munk

or spank the 420monkey


even I'm a little ashamed of that one

 

[Lot]

What'd he do anyway? Most of the bans, I could see coming, but this one eludes me.

He was too abrasive for the free speech suppression crowd on the forum. He dared to call a dumb idea and the dummy spouting it, dumb. Munk is an hero
Munk is love
Munk is life

In the infinitely expanding universe
Munk's superiority also expands

He is free speech
He is banana
He is Munkyman

 

[Deleted member 1424]

The tide comes in, the tide ebbs
Days pass, months pass, eons pass

but Lot is always here to be the sycophant for some dubious figure.
Have you ever noticed that about yourself?

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

I, personally, really like Munk. That said, I can't believe this didn't happen years ago.

 

[Pizzabeak]

What'd he do anyway? Most of the bans, I could see coming, but this one eludes me.

Mostly agreeable. He never said anything mean to me. But then again I hadn't taken part in any of his debates. Even so he didn't seem like an actual troll, just a rigorous poster if anything. The modship is treating the forum like a public one for children.

 

[The Gopher]

The tide comes in, the tide ebbs
Days pass, months pass, eons pass

but Lot is always here to be the sycophant for some dubious figure.
Have you ever noticed that about yourself?

I'm not sure if sycophant is the right word. However just because someone is a sycophant doesn't mean they are wrong.

I, personally, really like Munk. That said, I can't believe this didn't happen years ago.

Well he doesn't post much, and kept his insults to a small group of people generally. I mean, banning him for insults isn't wrong if those are the rules however it's not like the rules are applied equally which is part of why people get disgruntled. If he was a normal poster insulting people he may have had a few years left.

Personally I'm against the rules, as I was with Bronto and various past bans. Not Sinny though because she was problematic for a different set of rules. But I like Auburn and Hado so nobody needs to start up a revolution.

But just to be clear I'm not saying Munk is like Bronto I think, comparatively, like Reluctantly said he was the least justifiably bananable out of the recent bannings however Auburn hasn't been mod or even back long enough to know the history.

 

[Lot]

The tide comes in, the tide ebbs
Days pass, months pass, eons pass

but Lot is always here to be the sycophant for some dubious figure.
Have you ever noticed that about yourself?

I've noticed I like people that eventually get banned. I'm don't see how sycophant applies. It seems like you just picked a word with a negative connotation to make yourself feel morally superior. Like you always do. You might be one of the most, undeservingly condensing people on this forum. Definitely in the top 10.

I, personally, really like Munk. That said, I can't believe this didn't happen years ago.

I'm actually in the same boat. Every time he comes back I thought, this will be the time. But he always pulled through. Now that we don't have absentee mods, I guess it was destined.

 

[The Gopher]

I've noticed I like people that eventually get banned. I'm don't see how sycophant applies. It seems like you just picked a word with a negative connotation to make yourself feel morally superior. Like you always do. You might be one of the most, undeservingly condensing people on this forum. Definitely in the top 10.

JENNY! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH THE POPCORN? I mean really what use is there being president if everyone's always stealing it...

 

[Deleted member 1424]

I've noticed I like people that eventually get banned. I'm don't see how sycophant applies.

Just that it's obvious how you ended up in a cult for such a long time. It's perhaps not the right word; agreed to that. Your tendencies are sincere if gullible and servile.

You might be one of the most, undeservingly condensing people on this forum.

Well I do heartlessly condense innocent liquid water into ice on a rather frequent basis, so I guess your condemnation stands.

Definitely in the top 10.

Only top 10? I shame my ancestors.

 

[Lot]

Just that it's obvious how you ended up in a cult for such a long time. It's perhaps not the right word; agreed to that. Your tendencies are sincere if gullible and servile.

No, it's not the right word. It doesn't work in the situation at all. Your use of that word was a well placed as your poorly directed attempt at a low blow. Oh no, not the cult card. No one ever made mistakes in their early 20's. I should be ashamed and let it define me for life. Right in the pride.

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

No one ever made mistakes in their early 20's.

Well I was never in a CULT.


Shame on you. Shame.

On you.


shame on you.

 

[Deleted member 1424]

No, it's not the right word. It doesn't work in the situation at all. Your use of that word was a well placed as your poorly directed attempt at a low blow. Oh no, not the cult card. No one ever made mistakes in their early 20's. I should be ashamed and let it define me for life. Right in the pride.

It was attempted explanation. You did ask for it.
I don't care that you were in a cult. Why would I? You care.

 

[The Gopher]

It was attempted explanation. You did ask for it.
I don't care that you were in a cult. Why would I? You care.

Okay I finally made all the connections I had no idea why the cult was brought up but now it makes sense.

I think your initial premise is wrong though. It's not like Lot and Munk talk so there is no servile relationship if anything he's going out of his way to be anti servile if he was servilllling the forum or mods.

 

[Deleted member 1424]

Okay I finally made all the connections I had no idea why the cult was brought up but now it makes sense.

I think your initial premise is wrong though. It's not like Lot and Munk talk so there is no servile relationship if anything he's going out of his way to be anti servile if he was servilllling the forum or mods.

Eh, I don't think you get it actually.
It's a pattern of behavoir towards particular types of people, and he repeats it regularly with different individuals. My guess is that he's trying to fill a void in his life that religious authority once occupied.

I take a long view of the forum. I'm fairly absent and more of a lurker. I tend to notice when people repeat the same behaviors with different archetypes of people over time. Lot very much strikes me as the type seeking an unhealthy authority in his life (that in some sense he wants to worship, but it varies with time and with people). He's actually gotten a lot better than he used to be. I can think of at least four old members with strong, dominant personalities, where he basically played the part of a devotee with varying degree. I know it's probably not going to go anywhere significant with 420 munkey, but the problematic pattern is still there and it makes him vulnerable. I guess my primary motivation addressing this, besides mild annoyance, is to induce a little paranoia and self-reflection in him about his patterns and maybe make him a little more independent in the long run. Even if I'm completely off base and wrong in every sense; self-critical reflection is hardly a bad thing. We could all use more of it imo.

I'm getting kinda lazy, though. I was gonna leave it at that in my last post, but you had to keep digging like the gopher you are. I'm probably gonna leave it at this, no matter how insulted lot gets. Which will probably be a lot. It's tangential after all.

 

[The Gopher]

Eh, I don't think you get it actually.

No, I get it.

I'm getting kinda lazy, though. I was gonna leave it at that in my last post, but you have to keep digging like the gopher you are.

Why? What point does this have? Are you attempting to put me down along with Lot somehow? I don't get it. Literally the only thing I said was sycophant doesn't seem like the right word then said as a follow up to your explanation that I thought the premise was wrong. (which is why it didn't seem like the right word)

If I was to reach as far as you are with Lot it would seem you are somehow really insecure about something. I would give you a little "self-critical reflection" about how you are (hopefully being) oblivious and a jerk... if I wasn't supposed to be doing something else.

Nice job deflecting the tangential return in advance.

That said I do have an interesting theory on holes for another time.

 

[Lot]

It was attempted explanation. You did ask for it.
I don't care that you were in a cult. Why would I? You care.

That's why you brought it up? You couldn't come up with a better connection for the word? You won't retract your word choice, but you will loosely connect things together in an attempt to justify your poor choice for an insult?

I didn't say you cared. I said you were trying to use it in what you thought was a clever way to take a jab at me, while not having to completely back peddle from calling me a sycophant. You then use the word choice, "You care". You made this as a separate sentence as a psychological tool. You either want to think it's true, want me to think you actually have the upper hand by having a foreknowledge of who you think I am, or you want to publicly embarrass me with the accusation. You're still trying to use it as a way to belittle me. I'm guessing it's because you like to feel superior, and can't admit you're wrong in public.

Eh, I don't think you get it actually.
It's a pattern of behavoir towards particular types of people, and he repeats it regularly with different individuals. My guess is that he's trying to fill a void in his life that religious authority once occupied.

I take a long view of the forum. I'm fairly absent and more of a lurker. I tend to notice when people repeat the same behaviors with different archetypes of people over time. Lot very much strikes me as the type seeking an unhealthy authority in his life (that in some sense he wants to worship, but it varies with time and with people). He's actually gotten a lot better than he used to be. I can think of at least four old members with strong, dominant personalities, where he basically played the part of a devotee with varying degree. I know it's probably not going to go anywhere significant with 420 munkey, but the problematic pattern is still there and it makes him vulnerable. I guess my underlying motivation addressing this, besides mild annoyance, is to induce a little paranoia and self-reflection in him about his patterns and maybe make him a little more independent in the long run. Even if I'm completely off base and wrong in every sense, self-critical reflection is hardly a bad thing imo.

Munky is my friend. I've known him for years, and I actually know where he's coming from. I think he's an ass, and we have our disagreements, but I'm going to stick up for my friends.

I've made progress in the issues with authority. You are right about that having been an issue. I used drugs to fill the void for religion. Then I sobered up and became comfortable with who I am. If you wanted me to reflect, why didn't you message me? Why not try getting to know me to see if things have changed? You don't actually care. It's once again, another attempt to push how superior you think you are. Big mama adaire reaching down to lowly little lot to share her infinite well of wisdom. All praise this kind hearted soul for her tough love and deep insight.

 

[Cognisant]

Will you all just stop posting until I get home

 

[The Gopher]

Will you all just stop posting until I get home

I'll probably be asleep then and you know how I hate missing drama.

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

I tend to notice when people repeat the same behaviors with different archetypes of people over time.

Ooh! Do me next do me!

 

[The Gopher]

Ooh! Do me next do me!

Actually yeah! Do me too! I'm actually curious and won't be annoyed under these circumstances.

 

[Cognisant]

*reads everything*

Wow drama indeed.

Anyway I've been having conversations with individuals and there's a possibility 420MuNkEy will be unbanned but restricted to the Oubliette where I can have my way with him, does anyone object to this?

 

[The Gopher]

You know in this case it's probably viable. Also I like how Munk is somehow the least drama in this thread.

 

[Cognisant]

 

[Jennywocky]

JENNY! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH THE POPCORN? I mean really what use is there being president if everyone's always stealing it...

Anyway I've been having conversations with individuals and there's a possibility 420MuNkEy will be unbanned but restricted to the Oubliette where I can have my way with him, does anyone object to this?

...Whatever accomplishes the goal.



What is the goal again?


I would also like to have "have my way with him" defined better... but hell, surprise me.)

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Munkey is a programmer. It's not particularly hard to automate the registration process. If he can get enough proxy IPs it's no longer a whack-a-mole, because it truly is impossible to keep banning to outpace an optimised process.

Ofc it's pure theory, he doesn't need to automate as he simply comes whenever he pleases, he'd have to optimise if he wanted to stay on this forum every day, assuming the moderation would be active every day and it isn't.

Also there are practical limits pertaining to the number of IPs he can use before he runs out. There are typical free proxies and dynamic IP, but after that he's going to have to spend some of his money which would deincentivise the whole thing.

I'm left slightly curious as to what he had to say on speech regulations...

 

[Reluctantly]

^ Yes, but he also claims to be INTP? In that case, that's all way too much work...

 

[TheManBeyond]

yezah i mean, if he's doing that if i was him i would ban myself

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

but he also claims to be INTP?

No, he doesn't.

 

[Reluctantly]

No, he doesn't.

That's it, we're fucked. Abandon ship, regroup and rebel against the coming Munktatorship!