Perhaps I am not INTP

[fractalwalrus]

What if this is all a LARP? Not intentional, but what if, I answered all of the questions and did all of the analysis from my own biased perspective, and therefore am not really qualified to call myself an INTP? What if life is just one big LARP? What if someone read all of the traits and behavioral patterns of the INTP, believed themselves to fit the patterns, and then tried to self-fulfill the prophecy by asking the question "what would INTP do?" Something seems, off. Surreal.

 

[Cognisant]

Over analysis, self doubt, agonizing over hypotheticals, considering all possibilities, engaging with others as a way to validate your thoughts & ideas.

You're one of us.

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[Hadoblado]

I'm not sure how many people here identify as INTP anymore. It's called INTP forum, but last time I checked self-identifying INTPs were a minority here (though it has been a while). I don't think there's a single person on the forum I would confidently say falls neatly into INTP categorisation (>50% confidence).

Most people who start here identify as INTP mostly out of some self-evaluation as being smart. As time goes by, maturation and self-awareness occur, and the probability of people rejecting the label approaches 1. There also doesn't seem to be any real relationship between expressing INTP traits and identifying as INTP, in fact, if there is a relationship, I would say it's more between schizoid/neurotic tendencies and the INTP label.

 

[fluffy]

Over analysis, self doubt, agonizing over hypotheticals, considering all possibilities, engaging with others as a way to validate your thoughts & ideas.

You're one of us.

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Anger management the movie with Adam Sandler: screams, I AM CALM

I can relate to people questioning what type they are. It freaks people out who must have a solid grasp of what it means to be INTP

Yes people larp but not all the time. As hado said a trait and identifying it to ones self is not connected. INTP could or could not see themselves as INTP because they are too busy thinking lol

But I can say that doesn't mean that they don't come across it. And must think to death about it. In that case it would be about finding out what it is.

Nietzsche was INTJ, Sigmund Freud was ISTJ (so is Jordan Peterson) Socrates was ENTP Aristotle was ENTJ Plato was INFJ Karl Marx was INTP Einstein was ENFP Carl Jung was ENFJ

Yet it all depends. Who you read.

I started with chapter 10 of jungs book on types but I need to read the whole book. The conscious and unconscious is tied to type closely. And you don't understand type without understanding neurosis. That was the point of the chapter to show what types do when stressed.

But it might be unfinished. As we don't know if we can get deeper than the first two functions understanding ourselves. This is why it took me a long time. I never was psychoanalyzed but I did observe many things from people. INTP broadly structure thought to a internal system like Marx did. But to find it they need to do what Immanuel Kant did. Start somewhere and assess where everything leads to from that axiom.

 

[fractalwalrus]

There also doesn't seem to be any real relationship between expressing INTP traits and identifying as INTP, in fact, if there is a relationship, I would say it's more between schizoid/neurotic tendencies and the INTP label.

The exposure I have had to the literature on this matter claims that MBTI has no bearing on the neuroticism as is defined by the Big 5 system. Some people modified MBTI later to add the turbulent vs assertive dynamic that is a rough approximation of neuroticism, but absent this dimension, an INTP could be stable or neurotic. I have come across studies that have linked INTPs with having schizoid tendencies, so the basis for this correlation is supported.

 

[fractalwalrus]

Over analysis, self doubt, agonizing over hypotheticals, considering all possibilities, engaging with others as a way to validate your thoughts & ideas.

You're one of us.

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I didn't choose the shrug life, the shrug life chose me.

 

[fractalwalrus]

Yes people larp but not all the time. As hado said a trait and identifying it to ones self is not connected.

I would not say I am intentionally LARPing, but life sometimes feels like one giant LARP. Derealization, perhaps.

Nietzsche was INTJ, Sigmund Freud was ISTJ (so is Jordan Peterson) Socrates was ENTP Aristotle was ENTJ Plato was INFJ Karl Marx was INTP Einstein was ENFP Carl Jung was ENFJ

Where did you find these classifications? personalitydatabase (which is consensus based) classifies some of these individuals differently (Marx INTJ, Einstein INTP).
For someone who was kind of in Marx's realm of thought and a philosopher, there is Piotr Kropotkin or Max Stirner. Ayn Rand was an INTJ. The unabomber is said to be an INTJ.

That was the point of the chapter to show what types do when stressed.

Yes, I have had another describe the stressed version of INTP as an accurate reflection of myself when stressed.

Start somewhere and assess where everything leads to from that axiom.

I started as an embryo. Still trying to get past that.

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

Over analysis, self doubt, agonizing over hypotheticals, considering all possibilities, engaging with others as a way to validate your thoughts & ideas.

You're one of us.

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BINGO

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

I'm not sure how many people here identify as INTP anymore. It's called INTP forum, but last time I checked self-identifying INTPs were a minority here (though it has been a while). I don't think there's a single person on the forum I would confidently say falls neatly into INTP categorisation (>50% confidence).

Most people who start here identify as INTP mostly out of some self-evaluation as being smart. As time goes by, maturation and self-awareness occur, and the probability of people rejecting the label approaches 1. There also doesn't seem to be any real relationship between expressing INTP traits and identifying as INTP, in fact, if there is a relationship, I would say it's more between schizoid/neurotic tendencies and the INTP label.

if you think you're an INTP

and or if you test as INTP sometimes

close enough

 

[EndogenousRebel]

I find that when you're thrown into a new situation is when you should be looking for a personality judgement.

Repetition of certain behaviors in different contexts type thing.

I think you'll find that depending on your context your personality is very flexible.

I do unfoundedly think that people who are neurotic tend to skew introvert, feeling types. Maybe the others too?

Then you'd have to get philosophical and scientific about how much does ones neurosis and remission of said neurosis impact and define someone's personality. Oof no thanks.

 

[ZenRaiden]

INTPs like neat categories and like understanding things completely, not having lose ends. INTPs can easily see lose ends and will forever dwell on them, because inconsistencies bug them.

Trouble with MBTI is that although MBTI is presented as neat processing thing, where we neatly fall into 16 categories, I think we actually don't fall neatly into them.

We are complex creatures, and also age matters. Id think Id fall into INTP category more so when I was younger, but with MBTI being introduced I have doubted being INTP since the beginning.

I say for me the only true sign INTP matters as label, is because its the easiest one to accept as explanation for my traits. Not necessarily a neat category, but its harder to shoe horn me into other MBTI category if that make sense.

 

[fractalwalrus]

I think you'll find that depending on your context your personality is very flexible.

There does appear to be a degree of flexibility in one's personality. The question is, is there a baseline?

I do unfoundedly think that people who are neurotic tend to skew introvert, feeling types. Maybe the others too?

Then you'd have to get philosophical and scientific about how much does ones neurosis and remission of said neurosis impact and define someone's personality. Oof no thanks.

MBTI makes no claims about neuroticism until the addition of the turbulent vs assertive dynamic. As for philosophy, science, and neurosis, well, that's going to involve some digging. I liken the role of neuroses to how one develops the ability to walk. Repeated actions and strengthened neural pathways early in one's life likely have a rather large impact upon one's inclinations towards a certain behavior in any given moment. It would not be the sole influence, of course.

 

[fractalwalrus]

Trouble with MBTI is that although MBTI is presented as neat processing thing, where we neatly fall into 16 categories, I think we actually don't fall neatly into them.

I would agree that we do not fall neatly into categories. We have a rather large spectrum for colors, but relatively few names for all the different nuanced colors. Categorization, in general, is a helpful reference point, but, one seems to lose descriptive power when using it, sometimes.

I say for me the only true sign INTP matters as label, is because its the easiest one to accept as explanation for my traits. Not necessarily a neat category, but its harder to shoe horn me into other MBTI category if that make sense.

Yes, process of elimination. I am not this thing, nor that thing, therefore, I must be what is left assuming all options have been accounted for.

 

[EndogenousRebel]

The question is, is there a baseline?

There is a baseline if you measure certain traits obviously.

Still, it's like, the environment is a very dynamic thing.

So you would be like measuring an unusual amount of variables.

I've heard of people's mood being affected merely because a certain scented candle unconsciously reminds them of a negative experience.

Besides the point-

The zen way of looking at it is that the illusion of the self clouds us from achieving enlightenment.

But yeah, we probably are pretty stable after maturity. I would guess that between 20 year intervals though there may be very noticeable shifts.

On a biological level, at that point you've shed your fleshy vessel about three times.

edit: I wrote nuerological, I'm actually not sure how much of the brain retains itself