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SpaceYeti

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So I've been reading a bunch of http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/ recently, and I've noticed something peculiar. Sometimes, people don't realize they need to put a disk in the drive in order to use the files on it or to save programs to it. It makes me curious... do they suppose the computer is magical? Do they think it uses mystical energies to interact with the disk... in the same way the soul uses mystical energies to interact with the physical body? Is this an extension of spiritual and mystical thinking habits?
 

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no , computers have guides and proven methods to describe how they work. they are machines.

souls do not have any guidebooks. souls possess living organisms, not machines.
 

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... Yeah. I think you're missing my point, though. These people who do not understand how the machine works presume there's a sort of mystical energy that will somehow read and write to the disk, without the disk being in the drive made specifically to do that job... just like people who don't understand how the human body works presume there's a soul that causes it to work, or healing energies that come from crystals, etc.
 

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... Yeah. I think you're missing my point, though. These people who do not understand how the machine works presume there's a sort of mystical energy that will somehow read and write to the disk, without the disk being in the drive made specifically to do that job... just like people who don't understand how the human body works presume there's a soul that causes it to work, or healing energies that come from crystals, etc.

and i think ur missing mine. theres nothing parallel about those subjects, except for the indoctrinated stereotypes that exist within your mind.

i personally dont know anyone who believes that computers operate on mysticism or black magic. nor do i know anyone who think that the soul/energy can be healed through magical crystals.

if you DO however, you should take a picture or video of them so that we can make fun of them.
 

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When my family got our first internet connection I told my mother she needed to speak into the modem while it was dialing and say "I'd like to get on the internet please". I felt bad when she did it in front of a bunch her friends and they laughed at her.

I recently got tricked by someone using the voice search thing on their smart phone. The guy said he was asking his wife some questions, I was like "wow she knows a lot!"
 

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and i think ur missing mine. theres nothing parallel about those subjects, except for the indoctrinated stereotypes that exist within your mind.

i personally dont know anyone who believes that computers operate on mysticism or black magic. nor do i know anyone who think that the soul/energy can be healed through magical crystals.

if you DO however, you should take a picture or video of them so that we can make fun of them.
I don't know if I personally know anyone who uses or believes in crystal healing, but here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_healing

The people who fail to realize they need to insert a disk into it's appropriate drive in order to retrieve or store data on it I know of only from that "Computer Stupidities" website I linked to in my original post. I read them, but I've been reading that site off and on for over a week. I don't feel like scouring the site for the examples, but try the "Disk Drives" section, as I'm pretty sure they'd be in there. There are, apparently, also people who think they'll get power by plugging their power strip into itself, people who think they can get the internet without plugging in their modem, etc.

My point is not that they believe the computer uses black magic or spirits or whatever specifically, only that the kind of thinking which leads to the belief in those sorts of subjects may also be to blame for these people and their understanding of computers. It's one thing to not understand how something works, but it's another to think the computer doesn't need to physically interact with a disc in order to retrieve or store data on it, just like it's one thing to not understand how the healing process works and another thing to think laying crystals on your chakras will help to heal you.
 

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When my family got our first internet connection I told my mother she needed to speak into the modem while it was dialing and say "I'd like to get on the internet please". I felt bad when she did it in front of a bunch her friends and they laughed at her.

I recently got tricked by someone using the voice search thing on their smart phone. The guy said he was asking his wife some questions, I was like "wow she knows a lot!"
My mother one time called me while I was at a friend's house to ask how to restart the computer. I told her about the two buttons on the front of the computer... the only two buttons on the front of the computer. One of them was the power button, and that was the larger of the two. The smaller one of the only two buttons on the front of the computer was the restart button.

Press that button, the smaller button, the "restart" button.

I was on the phone for about ten minutes trying to get her to understand this. I'm still completely clueless what she didn't understand about my instructions, but I eventually had to drive back home to push the restart button. She couldn't tell me how my instructions were confusing to her, either. I have no idea what the problem was. I went back to my friend's house, mystified.
 

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no , computers have guides and proven methods to describe how they work.

Same goes for humans.

Food, water(hydration might be a more accurate term), sleep, interaction*. Proven to allow humans to operate, and there's guides on optimizing on these things as well.

*Not sure if this is necessary for us to live, maybe more to live healthily.
 

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Same goes for humans.

Food, water(hydration might be a more accurate term), sleep, interaction*. Proven to allow humans to operate, and there's guides on optimizing on these things as well.

*Not sure if this is necessary for us to live, maybe more to live healthily.

humans are not machines, we're organisms. i realize this is highly debatable.

edit:

oh snap, zordon from the power rangers used crystals

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It seems to me that most people are motivated by fear in having to attribute causality. Some even go so far as to boast of having the magical power To Determine, based upon the obsolete religion of Determinism.

Granted that survival is based upon the ability to recognize patterns, however, those who embrace causality, assume that Time works as they wish it too, therefore if one thing happens before another, then the first must have caused the second.

What few seem to grasp is that the distinction between cause and effect is totally an arbitrary distinction. No one can answer the question, "When did the Cause end and the Effect begin?"

Science has long abandoned the mysticism associated with human misconceptions about the ability to determine causality, that power is simply not a characteristic that humans possess.

There really is not much of a difference in imagining an effect to be caused by magic and imagining that an effect is caused by a philosophy.

The challenge is to abandoned the security blanket of feeling that one understands the causes of everything, and learn to be content in the ignorance that much of the human experience is beyond understanding. There are very few instances in the multivariate reality of living where single variables can be isolated and examined for the Quality of causality, such is only possible theoretically in the artificial environment of a laboratory.

Too many embrace the machine analogy to the living as if it were reality, instead of a mere comparison of the simple to the complex. Machines function in an impoverished environment compared to the living, within which only a tiny fraction of the variables of life are relevant.
 

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People are stupid. That's it.

They're also willing to believe all sorts of mystical crap, and that easily takes the place of common sense when knowledge on how things work isn't present.
 
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