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Pablo Picasso

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Here are some quotes:

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pablo_Picasso

and some more:

http://www.pablopicasso.org/quotes.jsp

You can definitely make a case for INTP...
"I paint objects as I think them, not as I see them."

"In my opinion to search means nothing in painting. To find is the thing."

"Bad artists copy. Good artists steal. ”

"There are painters who transform the sun into a yellow spot but there are others who with the help of their art and their intelligence transform a yellow spot into a sun."

"Art is the elimination of the unnecessary. ”
 

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You can definitely make a case for INTP...
Oh god no. A few quotes won't tell you anything, study the mans life. About as famous for producing babies as art the man clearly has Se high in his stack, no intuitive would make that much stuff for his entire life. Probably the most prolific artist, though if you ask me much of it is more or less the same. His family keeps most of it under wraps to keep the prices high.

SFP clearly, I'd have to check with my artist wife as to whether he was an introvert or extravert.
 

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He was definitely N rather than S. The thing that made him stand out so much from other artists was that he intuitively played with shapes and colour rather than literally observing what he could see. If you research his creative process (and what he said about it) he was definitely a strong Ne user, which precludes Se being in the top four of his cognitive stack. That's what is so interesting about him - a visual artist without conscious access to Se.

It seems likely that he was an introvert because he would spend most of the day by himself in his studio, but he was quite gregarious when socialising in the evenings, so that explains the public persona.

For me it comes down to INTP or INFP. I lean towards INTP because he seemed to display more Fe than Fi and more Ti than Te.

Architect, we might have to agree to disagree on our methods of typing. I do not put a huge amount of weight on biography, because you never know the particular context of that person's life. I agree you cannot type based on one or two quotes, but when you review a whole bunch of quotes you can see the tendencies. Looking at the links I included, there is definitely a trend towards Ne. His paintings are also very, very Ne: connections, perspectives, relationships between objects and spaces. The spaces between things are often just as important as the objects themselves.
 

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jungle, if you were right, i could not be infp, i would have to be isfp or infj then.

my own way of drawing is extremely photorealistic, except it's phantastic (aliens + replicants) and symbolical (sugar skulls, chained people), like concept art. i can ramp up the symbolism, but i can not get away from my hyper awareness for geometic laws, of 3 dimensional space, etc.


but in my experience Ni types are the ones who can't do Se, in the sense of being accurate about geometric of physical laws. they will paint a fish on a bicycle. they are like picasso. they eliminate Se or rather all sensation. they use colors and shapes for something that is no longer shaped by the cognitive function that we call sensation. it's like uncivilized raw data that can have a different meaning altogether.

look at the art of teal swan (it's fractals) or why not cherry cola, he is also far away from respecting physical laws.


infj teal swan
[bimgx=250]http://i.imgur.com/TmJ0WCv.jpg[/bimgx]

picasso
[bimgx=250]http://i.imgur.com/GHcHSus.jpg[/bimgx]


chagall
[bimgx=250]http://i.imgur.com/djgdLOb.jpg[/bimgx]

chagall is so emotional, i want to think of him as enfj.



also Se dominant types are not that good at drawing, they can't sit with still images, they want to interact with it or else it's not relevant to them. unless it reactivates a memory of them interacting with it. they run around with cameras and photograph trains and flowers and girls and everything. they are attracted to the object, as it is. their memories are made out of Se and stimulate their Se.

you see, it's not true that Si is memory, carl jung was outspoken about this and if you think about it, it can't possibly be true. everyone remembers what they experience. Se types like the photographs of their cars and of their marriages and so on. they are capable of photographing food, yuk.

Si is stimulated by the subjective factor, but is closely related to sensation. it's figurative, but impressionistic about it.

for example:

[bimgx=250]http://i.imgur.com/mLbupRD.jpg[/bimgx]

[bimgx=250]http://i.imgur.com/84jsFeU.jpg[/bimgx]

[bimgx=250]http://i.imgur.com/RxQNY8K.jpg[/bimgx]


and if you add Ne to Si it becomes more like this, still impressionistic, but more objective and full of ideas:

[bimgx=250]http://i.imgur.com/3TrnEjN.jpg[/bimgx]
 

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i will go out on a limb here, but:

"with the help of their art and their intelligence transform a yellow spot into a sun."

introverted processes (intuitions) leading to sensation, as opposed to the opposite path, introverted static impressions (sensations) leading to sensation (Si ((S))) or sensation being abducted by ideas (concept art, Ne((Si)) )

"Art is the elimination of the unnecessary. ”

thinking attitude.

INTJ

And if you take into account that he looks like bruce willis. pod'lair has bruce willis as INTJ.

 
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Art is very context dependent, history shows this. Your generalization is too broad and fails to account to the aforementioned factor. You can't connect style to type that easily. Moreover lifestyle can't be disregarded either and picasso a long SP life.
 

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not sure if you were responding to me, cola? whatever history suggests to you, as an artist, you will only allow for influences that are resonating with your mind so strongly, that you like to spend time with them and are capable of reproducing their elements in a unique fashion. it's impossible for the artist to eliminate his own subject from his art (it would not be art by definition, it would be corrupt bullshit) and it's therefore impossible for the viewer to not resonate with the subject of the artist. so if i resonate positively with art, the artist must have a lot of cognition in common with me, if art alienates me, his cognition must be different. while teal swans fractals are beautiful, they don't mean anything to me, so it does not count as positive resonance. picasso and chagall are entirely alienating to me. the examples that i list for Si and Ne resonate positively.

this INTJ i know keeps talking about history of art. whateva ...
 

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Architect, we might have to agree to disagree on our methods of typing. I do not put a huge amount of weight on biography, because you never know the particular context of that person's life. I agree you cannot type based on one or two quotes, but when you review a whole bunch of quotes you can see the tendencies.
Yes, I don't see the relevance of quotes - "talk" versus "do". People say all sorts of stuff, what counts is what they actually do, because they have less control over that in the sense that people can't easily fake behavior over the long term. It takes too much energy for one thing.

For example, if somebody says they love baseball and have played on a team for years or decades (I know people like this), then I'd be highly doubtful they are an INTP, who wouldn't have the long term stamina for team sports like that. Sure, there might be a few corner cases but it would be unusual. Say they also liked skiing, well that makes it even less likely and would indicate somebody with a high Se or possibly even Si.

Behavior will out, especially over a lifetime. Quotes are basically meaningless. People know they're being listened to, and will say all sorts of stuff. Does it really reflect how they are, or how they think they are, or how they would like to be thought of, or how they'd like to think something through? Who knows? but it certainly is true that talk is cheap.
 
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Hell no, how the fuck is he Extrovert?

I don't know much about him but at first glance I would say ISFP. And don't try to compare him to other ISFPs nowday. It's like compare dmr to torvalds and think they were different. They are somewhat different because of the difference between culture's generations, but they are both INTJ.

- Talk about idea? obvious Introvert
- meticulous job? obvious Introvert
- obsessed things around art? Fi/ Ti dom
- work is about material like pencil, canvas, real stuff, not abstract stuff....? Se likely
 
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