own8ge's temporary ban/Hawkeye's complaints about moderation

[Hawkeye]

I liked that Kuu took this away from all the toddler temper-tantrums, his input was just about the best in the thread since your drama queen rant about the injustices committed by the moderators of INTPf(buh I woz jus trolinz guise!).

Less is more.

The "more recent posts" I'm referring to were actually in threads other than this one where the comments were like "Yawn", or to paraphrase "whatever, I'm bored".

Also the unwarranted locking of a thread based on personal disinterest (this has since been remedied however).

My point was that he was preaching to me whilst hypocritically doing in essence, the exact same himself.


It's amazing how certain you are of my emotional state regarding the moderator incident when in fact, all you have to go on are nothing more than words written on a forum. Any emotions you get from text are generated in your own mind. As I said to own8age:

"You can't apply emotions to text and expect them to be received accurately."

What you are reading is fiction - you know like in stories. This of course is irrespective of your opinion on whether it is good fiction or not.

I could argue from one perspective that it is good fiction as you seem to believe it. On the other hand, it could be considered bad fiction as it was referencing the mods incompetence in a harsh way. Either way, it's fictitious in terms of how serious I'm making it out to be. I'm not actually bothered one bit how temporary bans are managed. I found Fukyo's response about people being lazy and they should search for the information themselves hilariously silly in terms of logical reasoning (not the only person to think this by the way), but other than that, I was trolling.

And less is more is a logical fallacy.

 

[Reluctantly]

I'm disappointed that own8ge didn't have to fight a grizzly bear to the death with a combat knife in order to have his ban lifted.

And I'm not sure if I'm serious or not.

 

[John_Mann]

What's the purpose to keep someone like own8age in this forum?

Here's my first interaction with her(?), and it just odd:

http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=16408

 

[Absurdity]

Every village has its idiot.

 

[BloodCountess88]

Re: Who is the most influential person on this forum?

I think the mods should be more trigger happy with permabans especially.

They shouldn't be overly apologetic or concerned with how harsh or subjective the forum population might think they are either.

There have been and are several people who are generally a strong negative influence in regards to affecting how far away from the "ideal forum" (as the mods see it) this forum is. Justifying a ban with them crossing certain "lines" with a comfortably massive margin is not a necessity.

As Ragnar said, this forum is not a democracy. The mods are not there to serve the forum population. The mods are there to safeguard the ideal forum. Most of the mods and ex-mods are far from happy with how the forum currently is. This is not a country with a set of very specific laws. It's a social group. Who are good to have here and whose presence overall makes this a significantly qualitatively worse place? Goal-based bans in that one bases a decision on imagining how the forum will be without someone can be a better way of dealing with things than infraction based bans.

Have confidence in yourselves, führers. I do.

Like this if you like this post.

Like.

If I'm not mistaken, this is a privately run forum. There is an agreement when you log in (and a math problem LOL which, we would). Don't like it, leave.

Actually this forum is a heck of a lot easier going on the aggressive posters as the other forums that I am on. I'm used to heavy moderation.

 

[own8ge]

Every village has its transcendental.

 

[Jennywocky]

Every village has its transcendental.

Yeah, but noddy hasn't spent much time here since his ascension.

 

[own8ge]

Yeah, but noddy hasn't spent much time here since his ascension.

Sure, truth which transcends your own understanding is hard to catch on. Though, it would be hypocritical to neglect this source of truth if indeed your journey states truth?

 

[Hawkeye]

What's the purpose to keep someone like own8age in this forum?

Here's my first interaction with her(?), and it just odd:

http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=16408

Because without members that go against the grain, the forum would be dull.

 

[John_Mann]

Because without members that go against the grain, the forum would be dull.

INTP's always have a lot of confronting ideas to solve, but I'm lost in what being unkind (latinoamericano thread) and insulting and mindless (Ni Ne thread), can add something constructive to anything.

 

[BloodCountess88]

There are huge differences between an aggressive poster and someone who "goes against the grain". Tact is one of them.

 

[Hawkeye]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv8zCQ4Itf8

 

[Etheri]

There are huge differences between and aggressive poster and someone who "goes against the grain". Tact is one of them.

I can't be bothered with reading this entire thread. I'm glad I read this last post, however.

I understand that it doesn't seem needed to tell us whenever someone gets banned for a week or two. However, we cannot tell the diffrence between temp and perm bans (I think?), or atleast I'm not aware how.

For these reasons, I agree that it might be nice if we had some sort of notification when people got banned, especially the more prolific types.

If anything important gets posted in here, I'm most likely not to see this as I rather avoid emotional messes such as this thread.

 

[Absurdity]

There are huge differences between an aggressive poster and someone who "goes against the grain". Tact is one of them.

This about sums it up.

 

[BigApplePi]

Am I mistaken? This thread has brought out more feelings from posters than most any I've read till now. (I quickly read the whole thread.)

 

[Jennywocky]

Sure, truth which transcends your own understanding is hard to catch on. Though, it would be hypocritical to neglect this source of truth if indeed your journey states truth?

Please note: These kinds of comments only work if you have the brilliance to back it up.

 

[Absurdity]

Please note: These kinds of comments only work if you have the brilliance to back it up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpFITa9eYoQ

 

[Jennywocky]

Oh, I don't nearly have THAT much hair on my chest.

 

[Absurdity]

Oh, I don't nearly have THAT much hair on my chest.

 

[Etheri]

So own8ge got banned again.

Any info anyone?
I mean, he was trying slightly too hard, but that's not technically a crime, I'd say.

 

[Absurdity]

Here.

See Duxwing's visitor messages as well.

 

[Etheri]

@Absurdity

Thanks for the link. I just noticed he'd been banned again, but never really batted an eye at the thread you linked so I wasn't aware. I suppose I should read more!

Oh own8ge -if you ever read this-
When will you learn to control those emotions. I'm not happy to say, but that was a fair ban... I get that people lash out in real life (not that it's any better, in fact it's much worse). But there's an enter button and a power-off button. Don't press the enter when you're emotional, press the power off. It's not easy, but it tends to work for me.

 

[Wolf18]

Here.

See Duxwing's visitor messages as well.

Wow! And own8ge got banned for only a week?

SW

 

[Double_V]

I don't have much to say about this, but after briefly reading 2 or 3 of own8ge's post I gleaned it looked mostly like troll bait and chose to skip reading his posts altogether. *shrug*

I don't have time for that (or I choose to waste my time on better things).

 

[SpaceYeti]

Re: Who is the most influential person on this forum?

People need to be a little less lazy and look for answers themselves. Don't expect to be spoon fed everything.

It's easy to say people are being lazy when they ask questions when they don't know what's happening and you do. I don't see why we have to look through every thread and people's profiles to figure out what happened, since we don't know exactly what happened, when, or where, when it is as easy as making a new post in a thread about that very topic. Now, I also don't think the mods are responsible for letting us know this stuff. It would be nice to know, and it would make threads such as this one useless. People would, in fact, ask less questions, so there's certainly utility. It's still, though, not fair to request everybody who's interested scour the forum to piece things together when you could simply answer their question, though.

It'd be like a layman asking an expert a question, and the expert just says "Google it".

 

[Polaris]

Usually what I do is go straight to "find more posts by X" of the person(s) affected and then it is easy to put two and two together.

 

[SpaceYeti]

Sure, but my point stands. Why should we do that when the person who did it could simply inform us and clear it all up right away?

 

[Polaris]

Unless there were massive riots about it on the forum, I guess the mods figured it is not worth their while. How many members actually find this bothersome? It certainly never bothered me.

Edit: then again, I have never been one for 'catching up on the news'...I couldn't care less.

 

[SpaceYeti]

I can't claim I care too much either, unless I think it was uncalled for, but this thread is enough evidence that people do care.

 

[Polaris]

Perhaps, but the caring is coming from both perspectives if you read more closely. I still think there is more "Meh" going on than actual "ARRRGH, I CANNOT BELIEVE THEY TEMPBANNED X, HOW OUTRAGEOUS; WE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW!!!"

 

[redbaron]

this thread is enough evidence that people do care.

People care about it in the same way that people care about the content in tabloid magazines - they like to gossip.

 

[loveofreason]

I can't claim I care too much either, unless I think it was uncalled for, but this thread is enough evidence that people do care.

For simple utility and information-sharing, a ban thread was instigated years ago. Long before you or anyone thought to complain of being kept in the dark. (I think Memory's pretty scratchy.)

But point is, no one has any interest in mis- or uninforming about bans. The lack of reporting over years has been nothing more than having more important things to think about, general lack of attention to detail, routine and procedure, etc. Dozens of spambots can be eradicated in any given week... news of that matters to no one. Big, community discussion-worthy bans tend to have whole threads dedicated to themselves, and can be found in this board.

Smaller bans - temporary and such, tend to feel inconsequential. ie: surprising they matter at all to those not directly concerned. But I agree it would help if a record of all community-member bannings were kept - that's why I started a thread all those years ago. In this case, it is just because Absurdity is learning the ropes, and I hadn't pointed out the relevant thread for posting notice in. So my bad.


Edit: Gossip, yes. On reflection, I think I have a subconscious aversion to what seems to me like gossip. So I 'forget' about that thread. Why do you human monkeys like to talk about each other's failures so?

 

[SpaceYeti]

People care about it in the same way that people care about the content in tabloid magazines - they like to gossip.

So what? Caring about something for whatever reason is still caring about it.

 

[Jennywocky]

Why do you human monkeys like to talk about each other's failures so?

*cuts and pastes LOR's comments in the Secret SECRET files, as part of Jenny's master data accumulation plan, the purpose of which isn't quite yet figured out*

Perhaps, but the caring is coming from both perspectives if you read more closely. I still think there is more "Meh" going on than actual "ARRRGH, I CANNOT BELIEVE THEY TEMPBANNED X, HOW OUTRAGEOUS; WE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW!!!"

Ah. Drama, sweet drama.

On another forum, it's amazing how dead the forum can get until the mods do something that people don't like / don't understand, and then there are copious amounts of posts being made about the current forum drama and the devious machinations of the staff. Threads with hundreds of posts over two weeks time.

it's like a meta-forum. People don't want to be in a forum, they just want to talk about being in a forum.

 

[The Introvert]

From a distanced POV, I find own8ge and Dux to be very similar... which is probably why they can't seem to get along.

I've communicated more with Dux, but it seems as though they are both equally stubborn in their own right. I agree with both own8ge's most recent temp ban and Dux's recent banishment to Siberia.

Mods have my approval.

 

[Chad]

I honestly see this as nothing out of the norm for Own8ge he tries the belittle and berate My post on a daily bases but this never caused him to be banned.

What I don't understand is why both Own8ge and Duxwing were banned for there normal behavior only when those actions were pointed at each other.

Duxwing has derailed just about every person on this forum and Own8ge is done right insulting to everyone because we don't see the world the same way he does.

So why the action now?

 

[The Introvert]

I honestly see this as nothing out of the norm for Own8ge he tries the belittle and berate My post on a daily bases but this never caused him to be banned.

What I don't understand is why both Own8ge and Duxwing were banned for there normal behavior only when those actions were pointed at each other.

Duxwing has derailed just about every person on this forum and Own8ge is done right insulting to everyone because we don't see the world the same way he does.

So why the action now?

Banning is necessary only after the offender has repeatedly offended, even after being told to do otherwise. So of course the behavior has been going on for a while; it's simply the nature of the disciplinary process.

 

[Jennywocky]

Banning is necessary only after the offender has repeatedly offended, even after being told to do otherwise. So of course the behavior has been going on for a while; it's simply the nature of the disciplinary process.

Also, taking action on Duxwing meant, to remain balanced/fair, that continued instigation on the part of own8ge had to be responded to as well.

 

[John_Mann]

I just don't understand why people like own8ge are attracted to this forum.

I think is just for trolling.

Because if one just want to study us, the best way is just observe without interference. That's what I do in other type forums.

 

[Absurdity]

Mods have my approval.

 

[Chad]

I just don't understand why people like own8ge are attracted to this forum.

I think is just for trolling.

Because if one just want to study us, the best way is just observe without interference. That's what I do in other type forums.

I concur.

 

[The Introvert]

Also, taking action on Duxwing meant, to remain balanced/fair, that continued instigation on the part of own8ge had to be responded to as well.

Oh, absolutely. Like I said, I think the mods have actually done a swell job with this one. I've seen a lot of communication among everyone here.

Almost as if we have our own little family starting to form

Spoiler

As long as I'm not the ginger stepchild...

 

[BigApplePi]

own8ge & INTPs

It's hard for me to weigh in on this.

There are a few posters here who are not INTPs. They don't behave like INTPs. Even though this is an INTP forum doesn't mean we should reject them because they are different. It is that very difference which is needed. Those non-INTPs who appear here have often been very stimulating. They don't have to behave totally rationally. They propose something challenging and creative. INTPs will learn by being up to that challenge. INTPs should accept the difference, note it, observe it and question, but not doubt it.

Non-INTPs do have to observe Forum rules though.

How INTPs treat them matters. They deserve as much courtesy as INTPs would wish upon themselves. Anything less I believe is demeaning to whom INTPs are. I don't believe it desirable to have a forum that is solely INTP even though that is its foundation.

Look at some differences non-INTPs or even INTPs at times may have that need to be understood:
1. Highly emotional
2. Dogmatic/judgmental
3. Specifics critical
4. Extroversion

 

[Wolf18]

BAP, I'm all for giving non-INTPs a chance on here. However, I find own8ge to be downright insulting to everyone, not to mention arrogant. He takes everything personally, even if it is not meant to be so. He throws ad hominem after ad hominem at others (notably Duxwing and Chad). If anyone has checked out Duxwing's visitor messages, all he does is talk about how brilliant and all-knowing he is, and how stupid everyone else must be if he makes no sense to them. He loses a lot of my respect on the fact that he so often makes mistakes when he is pointing out how stupid everyone else is. I have not seen a post from him in a long time in which he does not insult someone.

I think that there needs to be a line between "trolling" and "utterly inappropriate behaviour" and I think the mods did a good job on this one.

SW

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

I just don't understand why people like own8ge are attracted to this forum.

Because if one just want to study us, the best way is just observe without interference. That's what I do in other type forums.

Sometimes learning can only take place through interaction and experiencing the response to stimuli.

From a distanced POV, I find own8ge and Dux to be very similar...

​

Spoiler

As long as I'm not the ginger stepchild...

Oh, never! I promise!

 

[Jennywocky]

BAP, I'm all for giving non-INTPs a chance on here. However, I find own8ge to be downright insulting to everyone, not to mention arrogant. He takes everything personally, even if it is not meant to be so. He throws ad hominem after ad hominem at others (notably Duxwing and Chad). If anyone has checked out Duxwing's visitor messages, all he does is talk about how brilliant and all-knowing he is, and how stupid everyone else must be if he makes no sense to them. He loses a lot of my respect on the fact that he so often makes mistakes when he is pointing out how stupid everyone else is. I have not seen a post from him in a long time in which he does not insult someone.

I concur. I don't engage him anymore basically because of that, but it's hard to enter a thread where he isn't doing that kind of thing.

 

[Double_V]

BAP, I'm all for giving non-INTPs a chance on here. However, I find own8ge to be downright insulting to everyone, not to mention arrogant. He takes everything personally, even if it is not meant to be so. He throws ad hominem after ad hominem at others (notably Duxwing and Chad). If anyone has checked out Duxwing's visitor messages, all he does is talk about how brilliant and all-knowing he is, and how stupid everyone else must be if he makes no sense to them. He loses a lot of my respect on the fact that he so often makes mistakes when he is pointing out how stupid everyone else is. I have not seen a post from him in a long time in which he does not insult someone.

I think that there needs to be a line between "trolling" and "utterly inappropriate behaviour" and I think the mods did a good job on this one.

SW

+1

Except, like I said, I just quit reading his posts altogether. He gave me an answer once that was such a flame I just decided not to respond. And after reading a couple more of his posts I was surprised he was even here. But whatever *shrug*

 

[The Introvert]

TBH I kind of like own8ge's 'fits', in a strange way.

Reminds me of my brother...

 

[BigApplePi]

@Wolf18. Hi Wolf & company. To me the subject is tolerance and what it means, having been in the situation myself (as the mods know) with that INFJ person. I'm kinda distracted with personal stuff off the forum but I wanted to respond with what I had in mind though I'm not able to do it justice at this time.

I theorize that we don't have to like everyone. Yet we can find a way to deal with it. Theoretically I say it is impossible to be flamed if one hasn't done something to provoke it even if one oneself is not out-of-bounds. Not that is not exactly true because one can be flamed out of the blue, but in that case if there is no connection, then I wouldn't take it personally. I'm not going to attack nut cases.

More thoughts later ... gotta go.

 

[Jennywocky]

I wouldn't even say anyone here is intolerant, it's just that some of us aren't bothered by anything whatsoever, while others find some behavior very disruptive to the flow of conversation... which means the issue isn't "tolerance," it's about the level of overall disruption that is acceptable on the forum before mods intervene to restrict a poster's behavior when that poster is unwilling or unable to.

Anyway, we've already had this entire discussion done to death in relation to Blob, so I don't see the need to rehash the same-old, same-old again.