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Hey folks, something that I realized is that I come to the INTP forum when I am depressed. I have managed to recover from depression many times, naturally. I really need to get back into the habit of being positive and feeling good about myself.

A few psychological tricks that work for me are...

1. Fill up on what makes you happy. I love reading all of your posts and insights. I don't always respond but I do read a lot. You're all brilliant and I appreciate you for sharing your brilliance with me and the world.

2. Focus on gratitude and forgiveness. Forgive yourself first so you can forgive others. Focus on things that you are grateful for, make time for it every day. Prayer is a good device even if you're not religious. Build up neural pathways to offset the old pathways that no longer serve you.

3. Cut toxic ties. This one is the most difficult because cutting toxic relationships is painful and the response is usually an attack. I've found that I accumulate a lot of toxic relationships including relationships with experiences and things.

4. Replace with healthy habits. Exercise, organizing, nutrition, and being social are my favorites. Habits go in cycles where you push and fail until you eventually cross the threshold and reap the rewards of the compounding effects of commitment and consistency.

5. Spending time with friends who actually get you, and with some who are different than you. When I spend time around "normal people", I find that it is useful to have a few specific strategies and guidelines. Things to avoid talking about are pretty much anything negative, deep, or political. Just avoid creating conflict as much as possible unless you are a target, then stand up for yourself or ignore them. Keep it light, match their energy and posture, follow their conversation because people like people who listen and don't really care much about what you have to say. Use the observe then comment technique, "I like your shoes, where did you get them?" or "So many decorations, they look great, that must have taken forever to put this together, thank you for inviting me!" Stuff like that...

Anyone else? Do you have any tips or strategies for breaking free from depression?
 

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OP are you depressed now? I asume, yes.

Rules for happyness: something to do, someone to love, something to hope for. - Kant

Talking to myself:

Start going in a direction, preferably in the direction you have habitually gone before to indulge in something positive and non destructive that brought you joy & developed skills or a sense of comfort & confidence. Just keep going and ignore the "what if". If you travel down too many roads half way you never reach any destination... which will make you a sorry sack of old shit.

Outside of this:

  1. Trust yourself, uncertainty and doubts are ok and normal.
  2. Sunshine, vitamins, food, exercise and 8 hours sleep.
  3. Cut the alkohol, it drains B vitamins from your system and makes you depressed.
  4. Sex and a non crazy normie woman who loves you.
 

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OP are you depressed now? I asume, yes.

Rules for happyness: something to do, someone to love, something to hope for. - Kant

Talking to myself:

Start going in a direction, preferably in the direction you have habitually gone before to indulge in something positive and non destructive that brought you joy & developed skills or a sense of comfort & confidence. Just keep going and ignore the "what if". If you travel down too many roads half way you never reach any destination... which will make you a sorry sack of old shit.

Outside of this:

  1. Trust yourself, uncertainty and doubts are ok and normal.
  2. Sunshine, vitamins, food, exercise and 8 hours sleep.
  3. Cut the alkohol, it drains B vitamins from your system and makes you depressed.
  4. Sex and a non crazy normie woman who loves you.

Is that your photo?! I love it!

That is a good quote, I will have to remember that! Thank you!

Yes, I am cycling in and out of depression, trying to build some resiliency.

Thanks for the tips!
 

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I also come back to this forum when i'm depressed, its like our little safe space.
I would say the most important thing to snap yourself out of depression is finding someone to tell you that you don't have it bad, stop wallowing in self pity. Also just taking the time to make yourself happy, those old habits you used to use to relax, do them.
 

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I dunno about depressed. I'm definitely in a weird place these days - but enjoyin the ride. I'm confident it's only going to get weirder. Depression's here, but it's more of a passenger these days. Medicatin helps. ;)
 

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"I love reading all of your posts and insights. I don't always respond but I do read a lot.....Prayer is a good device even if you're not religious...."

Who is this man, you guys? Is he our forum God?
Has he descended from heaven on high (presumably a typical colonial-style house), to receive all of our unanswered posts and pleas for greater understanding and INTP-enlightenment? And if so, who are his "normal" people. (Ouch, lets not take it personally.)

PS: My solution for depression - (1) wallow in self-pity, (2) work yourself up into self-disgust (3) analyze the root cause of your dissatisfaction (4) develop a game plan (5) psyche up, fantasize/visualize success, and implement by making your to-do list something you can actually get excited about. I personally like giving myself little boxes or bubbles to fill out as I go, and making up scores to measure my self-satisfaction. I also sometimes draw graphs to demonstrate my happiness as I progress towards my goal. It's all part of game theory. Meditation and mindfulness helps to a massive degree.

My game plan always starts the same way - clean up your life, first, handle your objectives, second. I learned to redefine failure - that was a turning point in my life. I didn't fail the first time I fell down when learning how to ride a bike. If it's just a fall, it's not a fail.
 

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I also come back to this forum when i'm depressed, its like our little safe space.
I would say the most important thing to snap yourself out of depression is finding someone to tell you that you don't have it bad, stop wallowing in self pity. Also just taking the time to make yourself happy, those old habits you used to use to relax, do them.

Good advice, thanks!

I dunno about depressed. I'm definitely in a weird place these days - but enjoyin the ride. I'm confident it's only going to get weirder. Depression's here, but it's more of a passenger these days. Medicatin helps. ;)

That's good, I am happy for you.

"I love reading all of your posts and insights. I don't always respond but I do read a lot.....Prayer is a good device even if you're not religious...."

Who is this man, you guys? Is he our forum God?
Has he descended from heaven on high (presumably a typical colonial-style house), to receive all of our unanswered posts and pleas for greater understanding and INTP-enlightenment? And if so, who are his "normal" people. (Ouch, lets not take it personally.)

PS: My solution for depression - (1) wallow in self-pity, (2) work yourself up into self-disgust (3) analyze the root cause of your dissatisfaction (4) develop a game plan (5) psyche up, fantasize/visualize success, and implement by making your to-do list something you can actually get excited about. I personally like giving myself little boxes or bubbles to fill out as I go, and making up scores to measure my self-satisfaction. I also sometimes draw graphs to demonstrate my happiness as I progress towards my goal. It's all part of game theory. Meditation and mindfulness helps to a massive degree.

My game plan always starts the same way - clean up your life, first, handle your objectives, second. I learned to redefine failure - that was a turning point in my life. I didn't fail the first time I fell down when learning how to ride a bike. If it's just a fall, it's not a fail.

Well, I did say "normal people" in quotes...

Thanks for the advice!
 

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"I love reading all of your posts and insights. I don't always respond but I do read a lot.....Prayer is a good device even if you're not religious...."

Who is this man, you guys? Is he our forum God?
Has he descended from heaven on high (presumably a typical colonial-style house), to receive all of our unanswered posts and pleas for greater understanding and INTP-enlightenment? And if so, who are his "normal" people. (Ouch, lets not take it personally.)

PS: My solution for depression - (1) wallow in self-pity, (2) work yourself up into self-disgust (3) analyze the root cause of your dissatisfaction (4) develop a game plan (5) psyche up, fantasize/visualize success, and implement by making your to-do list something you can actually get excited about. I personally like giving myself little boxes or bubbles to fill out as I go, and making up scores to measure my self-satisfaction. I also sometimes draw graphs to demonstrate my happiness as I progress towards my goal. It's all part of game theory. Meditation and mindfulness helps to a massive degree.

My game plan always starts the same way - clean up your life, first, handle your objectives, second. I learned to redefine failure - that was a turning point in my life. I didn't fail the first time I fell down when learning how to ride a bike. If it's just a fall, it's not a fail.

I thought about what you said and I think the root cause of my dissatisfaction is that when I communicate, my words are rarely interpreted how I mean and I rarely pick up on sub communications.

I have put a lot of work into myself, and in particular, trying to understand other people.

When I said "normal", I meant people who adapt or normalize into groups. I had no idea that it was offensive when I wrote it, or even if your response is sarcastic, or if you are implying that I'm narcissistic, or if my compliment was condescending, or what? I can think of a lot of possibilities...

I like your ideas for gamification. Putting it into action! Thanks!
 

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"I love reading all of your posts and insights. I don't always respond but I do read a lot.....Prayer is a good device even if you're not religious...."



Who is this man, you guys? Is he our forum God?
Has he descended from heaven on high (presumably a typical colonial-style house), to receive all of our unanswered posts and pleas for greater understanding and INTP-enlightenment? And if so, who are his "normal" people. (Ouch, lets not take it personally.)

PS: My solution for depression - (1) wallow in self-pity, (2) work yourself up into self-disgust (3) analyze the root cause of your dissatisfaction (4) develop a game plan (5) psyche up, fantasize/visualize success, and implement by making your to-do list something you can actually get excited about. I personally like giving myself little boxes or bubbles to fill out as I go, and making up scores to measure my self-satisfaction. I also sometimes draw graphs to demonstrate my happiness as I progress towards my goal. It's all part of game theory. Meditation and mindfulness helps to a massive degree.

My game plan always starts the same way - clean up your life, first, handle your objectives, second. I learned to redefine failure - that was a turning point in my life. I didn't fail the first time I fell down when learning how to ride a bike. If it's just a fall, it's not a fail.

I thought about what you said and I think the root cause of my dissatisfaction is that when I communicate, my words are rarely interpreted how I mean and I rarely pick up on sub communications.

I have put a lot of work into myself, and in particular, trying to understand other people.

When I said "normal", I meant people who adapt or normalize into groups. I had no idea that it was offensive when I wrote it, or even if your response is sarcastic, or if you are implying that I'm narcissistic, or if my compliment was condescending, or what? I can think of a lot of possibilities...

I like your ideas for gamification. Putting it into action! Thanks!


That’s not really your fault. Very few people pick up on my sense of humor. And no, you didn’t offend me, and I don’t think you’re a narcissist or that your message demonstrates tendencies for negative personality traits in any way.

If anything, my objective was to add a little humor to the board to inspire a sense of comraderie and togetherness between the respondents here, and yourself as well.

If robot communication works best for you, though, I’m equally comfortable with that style! Actually, speaking sociably and developing my sense of humor is something I’m less comfortable with, and am working on.

Allow me to share some gamification examples with you! Do you have a printer? I can send you a “game sheet” to print out that will allow you to just fill in a few bits to tailor the page to your personal goals and needs!

Making these sheets is like a little hobby of mine. They’ve helped me to snap out of apathy/lethargy/depression and into productivity time, and time again, and over the years, I’ve refined them for optimal enjoyment.

The best part about my sheets is that, as I progress through my day, filling them out gives me immediate spikes of dopamine, and reviewing them at the end of the day puts me in a positive mood at night - a time of day which can be the most prone to generating negative thoughts and emotions.
 

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I thought about what you said and I think the root cause of my dissatisfaction is that when I communicate, my words are rarely interpreted how I mean and I rarely pick up on sub communications.

I have put a lot of work into myself, and in particular, trying to understand other people.

When I said "normal", I meant people who adapt or normalize into groups. I had no idea that it was offensive when I wrote it, or even if your response is sarcastic, or if you are implying that I'm narcissistic, or if my compliment was condescending, or what? I can think of a lot of possibilities...

I like your ideas for gamification. Putting it into action! Thanks!

That’s not really your fault. Very few people pick up on my sense of humor. And no, you didn’t offend me, and I don’t think you’re a narcissist or that your message demonstrates tendencies for negative personality traits in any way.

If anything, my objective was to add a little humor to the board to inspire a sense of comraderie and togetherness between the respondents here, and yourself as well.

If robot communication works best for you, though, I’m equally comfortable with that style! Actually, speaking sociably and developing my sense of humor is something I’m less comfortable with, and am working on.

Allow me to share some gamification examples with you! Do you have a printer? I can send you a “game sheet” to print out that will allow you to just fill in a few bits to tailor the page to your personal goals and needs!

Making these sheets is like a little hobby of mine. They’ve helped me to snap out of apathy/lethargy/depression and into productivity time, and time again, and over the years, I’ve refined them for optimal enjoyment.

The best part about my sheets is that, as I progress through my day, filling them out gives me immediate spikes of dopamine, and reviewing them at the end of the day puts me in a positive mood at night - a time of day which can be the most prone to generating negative thoughts and emotions.

Thank you for explaining! I appreciate it a lot actually.

I like your personality and sense of humor. Probably if we were speaking in person it would be totally different.

This is one of the things that I struggle with, people will say one thing and I think they are being serious, and then they say something else and I think they are joking. Then my mind gets stuck in a loop processing all of the possible narratives.

You can speak to me however you want, I will just assume your intention is positive and work on forming a sense of humor myself...

Yeah, I would like to see the gamification if you want to send it to me. I'm like a mile walk to the library and can print it there. Thank you!
 

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I think there is a lot you can do, but it always comes down to enviroment, what is the cause, and what type of person you are. I get naturally depressed when I have a problem I cant solve. Solving the problem is cure for that.
 

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I thought about what you said and I think the root cause of my dissatisfaction is that when I communicate, my words are rarely interpreted how I mean and I rarely pick up on sub communications.

I have put a lot of work into myself, and in particular, trying to understand other people.

When I said "normal", I meant people who adapt or normalize into groups. I had no idea that it was offensive when I wrote it, or even if your response is sarcastic, or if you are implying that I'm narcissistic, or if my compliment was condescending, or what? I can think of a lot of possibilities...

I like your ideas for gamification. Putting it into action! Thanks!

That’s not really your fault. Very few people pick up on my sense of humor. And no, you didn’t offend me, and I don’t think you’re a narcissist or that your message demonstrates tendencies for negative personality traits in any way.

If anything, my objective was to add a little humor to the board to inspire a sense of comraderie and togetherness between the respondents here, and yourself as well.

If robot communication works best for you, though, I’m equally comfortable with that style! Actually, speaking sociably and developing my sense of humor is something I’m less comfortable with, and am working on.

Allow me to share some gamification examples with you! Do you have a printer? I can send you a “game sheet” to print out that will allow you to just fill in a few bits to tailor the page to your personal goals and needs!

Making these sheets is like a little hobby of mine. They’ve helped me to snap out of apathy/lethargy/depression and into productivity time, and time again, and over the years, I’ve refined them for optimal enjoyment.

The best part about my sheets is that, as I progress through my day, filling them out gives me immediate spikes of dopamine, and reviewing them at the end of the day puts me in a positive mood at night - a time of day which can be the most prone to generating negative thoughts and emotions.

Thank you for explaining! I appreciate it a lot actually.

I like your personality and sense of humor. Probably if we were speaking in person it would be totally different.

This is one of the things that I struggle with, people will say one thing and I think they are being serious, and then they say something else and I think they are joking. Then my mind gets stuck in a loop processing all of the possible narratives.

You can speak to me however you want, I will just assume your intention is positive and work on forming a sense of humor myself...

Yeah, I would like to see the gamification if you want to send it to me. I'm like a mile walk to the library and can print it there. Thank you!


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Alright so, give this design a try.
Here's how you use this to manage productivity.
This picture has different scales, numbered sections, and graphical regions that you can color in, write on, or otherwise manipulate to visually chart your daily progress.

How you put your pencil to the picture is up to you, however, you want to decide for yourself what a productive day would look like, and how you'll systematically use this picture to measure the productiveness of your day. I've broken the picture down into various different "structure types". Some of them are great for tracking incremental milestones that are part of a larger project. Other ones are good for singular tasks, like a dentist appointment. There's space between the elements, so you can jot down labels for the structures if you want a little reminder as to what you're using them for.

As you can see, the picture gives you quite a bit of flexibility. What you'll do is make a productivity plan for how you want your day to go. Test it out, and at the end of the day, at the top, you'll give yourself a score. If that productivity plan didn't quite work out the way you wanted it to, you can tweak it to your liking for the next day. The picture is just a visual representation of progress. It doesn't dictate what you do, so you'll be able to change your methods as much as necessary until high scores feel comfortably challenging to reach.

Three of these pictures should fit on one sheet of paper, because I drew the picture to work within those dimensions.

Here's instructions for how to use it:

(1) Print out three to a sheet. If you'd like, you can even cut them out, and then fold one of the pictures into fourths, lengthwise, and stick it in your wallet like a business card. Remember - the back is blank, so you have room for notes if you need them. I advise you to not print the pictures front and back.

(2) On a sheet of paper, write out your life goals, a daily to-do list, and a list of tasks you need to complete. (These might be projects, which you can break up by milestones, or they might be something like 'go to doctors appointment').

(3) Next, make two lists. One will be a permanent list - the other, temporary. On your permanent list, organize, and rewrite your "dailies". I suggest making 5 "life categories" for yourself to organize your dailies by. For instance: Work, Family, Pets, Home, Fun.

< You'll notice that in the center of the picture, there's 5 rectangles extending downwards from he top. This is a good opportunity to track your daily progress in each of your 5 life categories. You can color in a portion of one of the rectangles to represent an hour spent in that category. >

(4) Decide how you'll use the picture to track your routine progress on a daily basis, by using your daily list.

< You'll notice that there's a wheel with 24 segments on the left. You could fill in a segment of the wheel for every productive hour passed, or you could break your day down into 12 chores and fill in two segments per chore completed. For added flexibility, there's also 24 circles corresponding to each wheel segment - so you can use the wheel as a time tracker, and a chore tracker if you wanted. >

(5) Decide how you'll use the picture to track your unique progress for this particular day you're planning. You'll notice that there's a stair-stepping bar graph divided into 10 segments - that's great if you want to have 10 tasks to complete that day. The triangle below it is good for coloring in abstract progress, maybe as you work your way through a difficult project. (You could also just write in numbers that correspond to tasks on your list, and cross each one out as you finish those tasks). There's two little spheres orbiting around the time wheel - those are great for representing tasks you might consider to be very unique, or important. Each sphere has a bit of visual complexity (bottom and top half, or the encasing around the sphere) - those things could be colored in to show partial progress, or they could stand for completely different tasks.

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I recommend that as you use this picture, you chart your happiness throughout the day. It's satisfying to visually see whether or not you're making any progress in tackling your depression. That's why I draw a little "AM, PM" section on the lower right hand side of the picture. Happiness can be graphed from 0 to 10 at a couple of points throughout the day. I drew these little graphs so they're actually mirror images of one another. So if you look at the 0 to 10 PM, it's upside-down. To read your happiness progress on it, you would rotate the sheet. I think it's a cool visual effect and adds a bit of tactile interest, but if you don't like the style, just color in the 10s and 0s on the graph with nice solid circles, and them as you please. With these graphs, the time of day would be roughly indicated by the x axis, and the happiness scale by the y (in case that wasn't clear).

Above that, there's three horizontal sections indicating morning, noon, and night. Each segment has 8 sections within it. You could color these in to indicate successful hours passed, use them to indicate when you ate (roughly speaking), or if you used different colors, you could even represent when you had a meal, when you exercised, etc.

Well - that's about it! Since you're printing these three to a page, you'll be able to see your progress over a three day period! (That is, unless you cut them out and stick them in your wallet).

Remember - the picture is drawn to grow and change with you. It's not designed to guilt trip you. If the picture fails to satisfy your objectives - well maybe you temporarily need to set yourself smaller, easier goals. It's not about what you accomplish. It's about how you feel about accomplishing it (the happiness graph), and it's about comparative progress.

Always fill out your score at the top - even if you had a rough day. I like to write in why my score was low, if it was. (Ie: I was really tired today. Didn't sleep last night). That helps to give some validity as to why this particular day didn't work out for you.
Here's my last piece of advice though! Rate yourself based on the progress of yesterday, not on a static scale of your personal expectations. If yesterday, you did nothing, and today, you were amazing - then you deserve a 100%. If yesterday, you did amazing, and today, you were pretty lazy...well maybe you deserve a 75%.

By looking at the progress you're making, visually seeing the beauty of what you have done, feeling the sense of accomplishment as you fill in the sections you've earned, and view your happiness steadily increase - you should be able to inspire yourself to get up, get moving, and consistently work towards making each day a work of art! :)

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You asked me what I do when I'm depressed. That's how I do it. First, I wallow. Then, I get disgusted with myself. Then I make an action plan - and I make a beautiful visual creation to help me gamify it. Then I fill myself with happy expectations and small inner praising for each task completed, and I do my best to manipulate my hormones into working for me, not against me.
 

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Sorry it's hand drawn. Maybe I will take it to illustrator at some point, but I don't currently have my tablet set up. Or illustrator, actually. I'm looking into setting up another operating system so...holding off on getting software for the moment. (I just switched to a new environment).

I went with a more technical/analytical vibe, in the event the happy little smilies, hearts, piglets and flowers are not motivational symbols for you. My own personal drawings are...quite girly!

If you're testing out this system and you think it works for you, but there's something you'd prefer that you're really interested in - like Serial Experiments Lain themed artwork, or such, I might be able to accommodate that! Feel free to ask!
 

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Yay @computerhxr ! You’re posts will always be my favorite. I’ve unwavering loyalty for your infrequent prompts/comments.

Huh, I usually completely disengage with any conversation with I’m depressed, including anonymous. I don’t like to be a bother to others. What helps me in a funk is going into meditative frames of mind: everytime I have thoughts about myself, I redirect my attention to stimuli. What I hear and anything I’m physically touching, usually. It’s helpful in making be accomplished more, and thus be less self-loathing by the time I go to sleep.
 

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Sorry it's hand drawn. Maybe I will take it to illustrator at some point, but I don't currently have my tablet set up. Or illustrator, actually. I'm looking into setting up another operating system so...holding off on getting software for the moment. (I just switched to a new environment).

I went with a more technical/analytical vibe, in the event the happy little smilies, hearts, piglets and flowers are not motivational symbols for you. My own personal drawings are...quite girly!

If you're testing out this system and you think it works for you, but there's something you'd prefer that you're really interested in - like Serial Experiments Lain themed artwork, or such, I might be able to accommodate that! Feel free to ask!

Oh wow! This is great, thank you!

Hand drawn is the best! You are very talented!
 

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Yay @computerhxr ! You’re posts will always be my favorite. I’ve unwavering loyalty for your infrequent prompts/comments.

Huh, I usually completely disengage with any conversation with I’m depressed, including anonymous. I don’t like to be a bother to others. What helps me in a funk is going into meditative frames of mind: everytime I have thoughts about myself, I redirect my attention to stimuli. What I hear and anything I’m physically touching, usually. It’s helpful in making be accomplished more, and thus be less self-loathing by the time I go to sleep.

What?! You like my posts! Thank you!

I don't like to be a bother either. At the same time, some people are lonely and would love to be bothered. It's like a double expense but I keep pushing my comfort zone.

It's good to hear from you again!
 

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Sorry it's hand drawn. Maybe I will take it to illustrator at some point, but I don't currently have my tablet set up. Or illustrator, actually. I'm looking into setting up another operating system so...holding off on getting software for the moment. (I just switched to a new environment).

I went with a more technical/analytical vibe, in the event the happy little smilies, hearts, piglets and flowers are not motivational symbols for you. My own personal drawings are...quite girly!

If you're testing out this system and you think it works for you, but there's something you'd prefer that you're really interested in - like Serial Experiments Lain themed artwork, or such, I might be able to accommodate that! Feel free to ask!

Oh wow! This is great, thank you!

Hand drawn is the best! You are very talented!

Aww, that’s so sweet of you! Thanks! I hope you have fun with it!

This strategy really works wonders for me. I’ve been working on it for probably about 6 or 7 years at this point. It’s very fun when you get the hang of it, and it can give you an amazing day!
 

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Yay @computerhxr ! You’re posts will always be my favorite. I’ve unwavering loyalty for your infrequent prompts/comments.

Huh, I usually completely disengage with any conversation with I’m depressed, including anonymous. I don’t like to be a bother to others. What helps me in a funk is going into meditative frames of mind: everytime I have thoughts about myself, I redirect my attention to stimuli. What I hear and anything I’m physically touching, usually. It’s helpful in making be accomplished more, and thus be less self-loathing by the time I go to sleep.

What?! You like my posts! Thank you!

I don't like to be a bother either. At the same time, some people are lonely and would love to be bothered. It's like a double expense but I keep pushing my comfort zone.

It's good to hear from you again!

Why, you are very welcome!

With friends, I’m usually fairly good at sensing when they’re in a funk and need to be bothered. I think a lot of people assume it’s best to not acknowledge someone when they’re upset (as to give them privacy), and end up ignoring them, I understand this reaction, but it’s highly counterintuitive.

I notice with my acquaintances are in a funk too. Even if I care how they’re doing, I can see the distance in their eyes that tells me they have no interest in sharing with me. It makes me feel guilty, almost. I can come off more judgmental than I really am, which can make others feel the need to withdraw from me. I know everyone has the right to their own privacy, but it’s a bit painful to see in their eyes that they’ve erected a solid wall between me and themselves. If it’s appropriate, sometimes I’ll try to be as sincere as I can when asking if they’re alright. Depending on the person, this has worked and allowed them to open up a bit, and other times I get a frozen smile with the daggered eyes. Im not trying to assume what they’re thinking, but I’ve learned that I’m pretty good at reading faces. There’s usually something to what I pick up.

THAT being said... have you been alright? You mentioned you come to the forum when your in funks, and this post is about managing depression. Have you been deploying your techniques, and of your techniques been working?
 

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Why, you are very welcome!

With friends, I’m usually fairly good at sensing when they’re in a funk and need to be bothered. I think a lot of people assume it’s best to not acknowledge someone when they’re upset (as to give them privacy), and end up ignoring them, I understand this reaction, but it’s highly counterintuitive.

I notice with my acquaintances are in a funk too. Even if I care how they’re doing, I can see the distance in their eyes that tells me they have no interest in sharing with me. It makes me feel guilty, almost. I can come off more judgmental than I really am, which can make others feel the need to withdraw from me. I know everyone has the right to their own privacy, but it’s a bit painful to see in their eyes that they’ve erected a solid wall between me and themselves. If it’s appropriate, sometimes I’ll try to be as sincere as I can when asking if they’re alright. Depending on the person, this has worked and allowed them to open up a bit, and other times I get a frozen smile with the daggered eyes. Im not trying to assume what they’re thinking, but I’ve learned that I’m pretty good at reading faces. There’s usually something to what I pick up.

THAT being said... have you been alright? You mentioned you come to the forum when your in funks, and this post is about managing depression. Have you been deploying your techniques, and of your techniques been working?

I have not been doing well. My life isn't terrible by any means. My problems aren't difficult to solve if I could find the help that I need. The harder that I try, the more problems that I accumulate. When I ask for help, people go out of their way to help me in a way that they think is best for me, then get upset when I don't want it. When I get guilt-tripped into accepting the help that ends up being a punishment, then I get blamed for being a burden and for not getting my shit together.

The thing that hurt the most was finding out how many times I've been right, and been told that I was wrong. I will turn it around, but I think it will hurt a lot of people to see me get what I want in life. When I get what I want, then I am free to give and share with others so they can have what they want so I don't know why that is so difficult for everyone.

It is just counter-intuitive like you said. I will turn it around soon. I just needed to escape into intellectualism for a while...

The thing is, everyone eventually comes back around. Loving people is hard... I will power through it, just like I do everything else. I just will be happy and find happiness in life and they just have to accept it.

How have you been doing?

Oh, I found that I was good at reading people too... The only thing is even if you know and understand HOW people are feeling, you don't know WHY they are feeling that way. I used to just be confused thinking that I was bad at reading people because I take their words literally when they are avoiding the truth. So I guess it's probably best to just love them through whatever they are going through instead of lying to myself about it.
 

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"The thing that hurt the most was finding out how many times I've been right, and been told that I was wrong. "

You know, one of my first memories of experiencing this is noticing the hypocrisy of the Pledge of Allegiance as a kid. "Why are they making kids do this, seems weird..." "What am I pledging to?" "Why does it say 'under god' if that's not accurate?"

But also knowing I can't ask, and I shouldn't want to ask questions about such an absolute good.
 

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"The thing that hurt the most was finding out how many times I've been right, and been told that I was wrong. "

You know, one of my first memories of experiencing this is noticing the hypocrisy of the Pledge of Allegiance as a kid. "Why are they making kids do this, seems weird..." "What am I pledging to?" "Why does it say 'under god' if that's not accurate?"

But also knowing I can't ask, and I shouldn't want to ask questions about such an absolute good.

Aww...this resonates with me. :/
I was always the "bad kid" for asking impertinent questions. My issue was the church. I was really confused because we would have a sermon from the Old Testament, and then I would go to Sunday School where they would talk about how compassionate and loving God is. When I asked questions about that (although, if I'm being honest, it was probably more like "challenging" that information - like an invitation to debate), it was established that I was being uncooperative. They told my mom that she needed to whip me into shape, more or less.

She didn't though...mom is a rebel too! <3

Instead...she gave me this inspirational lecture in the car. I was probably crying about the Sunday school thing, because she usually saved her wise, inspirational lectures for those moments. Anyways, this particular lecture ended up going comically wrong. I think I was probably 6-ish, so my memory of the lecture is probably pretty convoluted, but this is what I remember of it.

She told me that there were goats and sheep.
The sheep don't always like the goats, because they're different. Goats have a different way of doing things. When the sheep all go one way, often times, the goats go the other. Goats don't always fit in, and sometimes they ask a lot of questions, but goats have their own way of going, so they can often fix problems and learn things in a way that sheep can't. It was inspirational. A true mommy-daughter moment! For a period of time after that I would go on to identify myself as a goat, and have a distinct sense of pride in my goatness.

Some time after that, I went to a sermon in church, and the minister explained how there were goats and sheep (off to a good start! A sermon I could really take interest in!)
Then he explained how sheep go to heaven, and goats go TO HELL. Pretty much crushed my little kid spirit. Church was not a positive experience for me XD

Edit: I think this just lead to a psychological breakthrough for me o_O I had totally forgotten about the goat story until just now.
 

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Scapegoats get blamed for everything when they go around fixing things that nobody else wants to deal with. From what I understand is that it disrupts social order and puts a target on your back. I found out that I was used as a scapegoat and blamed for so many things over the years, which created so much suffering in my life. I forgave everyone but I struggle with it a lot still.

 

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I have not been doing well. My life isn't terrible by any means. My problems aren't difficult to solve if I could find the help that I need. The harder that I try, the more problems that I accumulate. When I ask for help, people go out of their way to help me in a way that they think is best for me, then get upset when I don't want it. When I get guilt-tripped into accepting the help that ends up being a punishment, then I get blamed for being a burden and for not getting my shit together.

I am very sorry to hear that. I have a tendency to somewhat shut myself off from others when I'm in funks, because I know that they don't have the time or understanding to help or validate me in any way that would help. So I don't ask them to save myself any strife.

Trust yourself to know what would be best--other people can wait for you to explain when you're in a place to do so, and when you've figured out how. You know what you need, so be clear about it to others and set boundaries. When I fist started having major medical problems, I was a bit naive and still let my professors have jurisdiction on how I was accommodated. I learned the hard way that you really have to spell our what you're going through, what you cannot do, and what you need for people to back off. If you're wishy-washy and give them too much credit, they'll read it as you trying to get away with something (ironically).

The thing that hurt the most was finding out how many times I've been right, and been told that I was wrong.

Ahhhh, this is why I like you, I relate so much to everything you say. A lot of my problems circulated around this same thing. I've learned to give less merit to what other people say. That may seem selfish, but there comes a point where you have to accept your observations for reality. Otherwise, you'll never be able to think clearly. I cannot relate in words how much my sense of self suffered because of people doing this to me. When I figure it out, I felt like I'd been cheated for a while.

I used to just be confused thinking that I was bad at reading people because I take their words literally when they are avoiding the truth. So I guess it's probably best to just love them through whatever they are going through instead of lying to myself about it.

I don't have anything to add to this, because you said it all--but I wanted to say I've had the exact same experience with other people. It's helped me be better at communicating, and a better friend. It feels ironic because you have to have a sense of detachment to their feelings, but we all need objectivity in our lives and permission to experience our own feelings. I had an intense "how dare they" reaction.

How have you been doing?

Hm, I'm alright I suppose. Everytime I seem to fix one problem, I seem to develop another one. I'll be alright, but it's just a matter of not being too hard on myself, while trying to improve whatever comes up next with my health. I've gone through a few new treatments over the past year and a half, so it's just hard to organize myself. I've gotten a lot of anxiety about leaving my room because I remember all those times I thought I'd be fine, and wasn't. I'm so used to feeling so sick and everything being hard, so when I'm feeling better I don't trust it. It's made it difficult for me to get things done this year, but I'm working on it. Thank you for asking, I appreciate it.

The thing is, everyone eventually comes back around. Loving people is hard... I will power through it, just like I do everything else. I just will be happy and find happiness in life and they just have to accept it.

It is very hard. It gets easier when you accept the way someone is as a default, and work on dealing with them through the way they will react and respond to the world. The whole notion of defining a relationship with someone as "romantic," or "friends," etc, is very inaccurate. All of our relationships will be different because no two people are the same. We cannot replicate and interactions we've had, which makes each interaction we have with others precious in itself.
 

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Why, you are very welcome!

With friends, I’m usually fairly good at sensing when they’re in a funk and need to be bothered. I think a lot of people assume it’s best to not acknowledge someone when they’re upset (as to give them privacy), and end up ignoring them, I understand this reaction, but it’s highly counterintuitive.

I notice with my acquaintances are in a funk too. Even if I care how they’re doing, I can see the distance in their eyes that tells me they have no interest in sharing with me. It makes me feel guilty, almost. I can come off more judgmental than I really am, which can make others feel the need to withdraw from me. I know everyone has the right to their own privacy, but it’s a bit painful to see in their eyes that they’ve erected a solid wall between me and themselves. If it’s appropriate, sometimes I’ll try to be as sincere as I can when asking if they’re alright. Depending on the person, this has worked and allowed them to open up a bit, and other times I get a frozen smile with the daggered eyes. Im not trying to assume what they’re thinking, but I’ve learned that I’m pretty good at reading faces. There’s usually something to what I pick up.

THAT being said... have you been alright? You mentioned you come to the forum when your in funks, and this post is about managing depression. Have you been deploying your techniques, and of your techniques been working?

I have not been doing well. My life isn't terrible by any means. My problems aren't difficult to solve if I could find the help that I need. The harder that I try, the more problems that I accumulate. When I ask for help, people go out of their way to help me in a way that they think is best for me, then get upset when I don't want it. When I get guilt-tripped into accepting the help that ends up being a punishment, then I get blamed for being a burden and for not getting my shit together.

The thing that hurt the most was finding out how many times I've been right, and been told that I was wrong. I will turn it around, but I think it will hurt a lot of people to see me get what I want in life. When I get what I want, then I am free to give and share with others so they can have what they want so I don't know why that is so difficult for everyone.

It is just counter-intuitive like you said. I will turn it around soon. I just needed to escape into intellectualism for a while...

The thing is, everyone eventually comes back around. Loving people is hard... I will power through it, just like I do everything else. I just will be happy and find happiness in life and they just have to accept it.

How have you been doing?

Oh, I found that I was good at reading people too... The only thing is even if you know and understand HOW people are feeling, you don't know WHY they are feeling that way. I used to just be confused thinking that I was bad at reading people because I take their words literally when they are avoiding the truth. So I guess it's probably best to just love them through whatever they are going through instead of lying to myself about it.

At some point in my life, I started to realize that most of what I'd learned was wrong, and that the advice other people in my general life were giving me wasn't something I was prepared to follow...predominantly because those people didn't really understand me.

It took me a long time to realize that my ideal way to live is alone. I'm happy alone. I don't feel lonely. I don't have to deal with alienation or being weird or different when I'm alone - so I tend to like myself. I enjoy my own company. This is how I flourish. Once I came to the realization that it was okay to be different like that, and it didn't mean I was broken or somehow unhealthy or deluded...I really started to discover myself from the inside out. It's what led me here, and I've taken my person level of understanding even further since then. I'm much, much happier now. I have actually started following advice, but not from everyday people in my everyday life. I've been learning about what philosophers and entrepreneurs have to say, and I've been taking that advice to heart.

The thing is, the average person can only give you average advice....and it's often good advice, if you're average. Not so good if you're not.

I'm not saying that my personal discovery is something that would work for you. Maybe you can identify with something I said though, and maybe that can be useful to you in some way.

Good luck!
 

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talk and confide with someone you trust

find the roots of negative thinking, but i dont advocate too much introspection and overdoing.
 

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The thing that hurt the most was finding out how many times I've been right, and been told that I was wrong.

Ahhhh, this is why I like you, I relate so much to everything you say. A lot of my problems circulated around this same thing. I've learned to give less merit to what other people say. That may seem selfish, but there comes a point where you have to accept your observations for reality. Otherwise, you'll never be able to think clearly. I cannot relate in words how much my sense of self suffered because of people doing this to me. When I figure it out, I felt like I'd been cheated for a while.

It is a difficult lesson to learn. I've found that just having someone who will listen is usually enough to make your own decisions and clarify your own thoughts.

I agree with you about feeling cheated, but more than that, people go on the offense when you stop respecting their opinions like you once did. I've found that most people are hypocrites and project how they would like YOU to act for their own benefit, not yours. Either that, or they are projecting to cover something up. Even when they are genuinely trying to help, many times it comes from their perspective of what would work for THEM if they were in your shoes. These were important distinctions for me to make. Just got to cut that out of your life for your own sake.

How have you been doing?

Hm, I'm alright I suppose. Everytime I seem to fix one problem, I seem to develop another one. I'll be alright, but it's just a matter of not being too hard on myself, while trying to improve whatever comes up next with my health. I've gone through a few new treatments over the past year and a half, so it's just hard to organize myself. I've gotten a lot of anxiety about leaving my room because I remember all those times I thought I'd be fine, and wasn't. I'm so used to feeling so sick and everything being hard, so when I'm feeling better I don't trust it. It's made it difficult for me to get things done this year, but I'm working on it. Thank you for asking, I appreciate it.

Maybe you can try out @Inexorable Username's system for productivity to see if that helps?

I hope things get better for you and you can lead the life that you want to lead.

At some point in my life, I started to realize that most of what I'd learned was wrong, and that the advice other people in my general life were giving me wasn't something I was prepared to follow...predominantly because those people didn't really understand me.

It took me a long time to realize that my ideal way to live is alone. I'm happy alone. I don't feel lonely. I don't have to deal with alienation or being weird or different when I'm alone - so I tend to like myself. I enjoy my own company. This is how I flourish. Once I came to the realization that it was okay to be different like that, and it didn't mean I was broken or somehow unhealthy or deluded...I really started to discover myself from the inside out. It's what led me here, and I've taken my person level of understanding even further since then. I'm much, much happier now. I have actually started following advice, but not from everyday people in my everyday life. I've been learning about what philosophers and entrepreneurs have to say, and I've been taking that advice to heart.

The thing is, the average person can only give you average advice....and it's often good advice, if you're average. Not so good if you're not.

I'm not saying that my personal discovery is something that would work for you. Maybe you can identify with something I said though, and maybe that can be useful to you in some way.

Good luck!

Exactly! I don't typically give out advice because I don't think that I understand the situation or what the person is going through. They don't understand me at all but feel like they have all of the answers.

I like being alone too most of the time. I would not survive on my own though. Like, how do you make money without interacting with people? I always find that the people that I like the most are introverts but they are introverts so we will never meet or hang out... lol

Ideally, I would like to be adopted by an extrovert and have a partner for life. That way I get the best of both worlds.

It has been a struggle for me to take any advice for the past few years. I listen but it is a struggle for me to understand what they are saying. I seen a quote that says "Don't complain" and I think, isn't THAT a complaint about people who complain? I guess I am overthinking it... It is just like that with everything and when I ask for feedback or clarification they just stop talking to me.

I saw a psychic and it was the best advice that I've gotten. I guess I just got to go with what works for me. It was quick and easy.

Anyways... I am doing a lot better now. I got rid of most of my stuff because it holds me back, I started going to the gym, I am eating more (which is good, I'm skinny), and the imbalance in my brain has normalized. I see things clearly now and started listening to myself and having faith that things will get better. Things have actually gotten a lot worse, but I feel a lot better and that is what is important.

Thanks again for the printouts and system. I took a few parts of it and applied it to my life and it's been helpful. I need to start making goals again so I can be more focused.
 

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I agree with you about feeling cheated, but more than that, people go on the offense when you stop respecting their opinions like you once did. I've found that most people are hypocrites and project how they would like YOU to act for their own benefit, not yours. Either that, or they are projecting to cover something up. Even when they are genuinely trying to help, many times it comes from their perspective of what would work for THEM if they were in your shoes. These were important distinctions for me to make. Just got to cut that out of your life for your own sake.

I find it helpful to know what people would say they’d do in my shoes, because at least they’re not trying to presume how I’d operate. It can give me clarity to ask how another person would deal with a problem: I can use that information to better judge how I want to go about solving a problem.

Don’t let them know you’re not going to do what they asked XD that defeats the purpose! See, I’ve actually started coming across as a lot more agreeable since I started compartmentalizing what other people tell me. I nod intently, and file the information away in case it has any merit later. I also am very good at looking serious and attentive, so that may be why it works for me. You aren’t misleading anyone by doing this, in case thats what bothers you. All you’d be doing is keeping your thinking process private until you’ve picked a solution to act on. You don’t owe other people confirmation of whether or not their advice will help you. Just accept, and leave it at that.
Maybe you can’t do that with the type of people they’re around you...but I think it’s a good idea to practice. When I first started holding my comments and questions back, I felt so uncomfortable, and it was hard to do anything f without checking by all my sleeps in thinking first. Now I’ve a much better filter, and I don’t just blurt things, no matter what’s being demanded, unless I’m sure I know what I think.

Maybe you can try out @Inexorable Username's system for productivity to see if that helps?

I have an intricate planner that I need to use more

I hope things get better for you and you can lead the life that you want to lead.

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I agree with you about feeling cheated, but more than that, people go on the offense when you stop respecting their opinions like you once did. I've found that most people are hypocrites and project how they would like YOU to act for their own benefit, not yours. Either that, or they are projecting to cover something up. Even when they are genuinely trying to help, many times it comes from their perspective of what would work for THEM if they were in your shoes. These were important distinctions for me to make. Just got to cut that out of your life for your own sake.

I find it helpful to know what people would say they’d do in my shoes, because at least they’re not trying to presume how I’d operate. It can give me clarity to ask how another person would deal with a problem: I can use that information to better judge how I want to go about solving a problem.

Don’t let them know you’re not going to do what they asked XD that defeats the purpose! See, I’ve actually started coming across as a lot more agreeable since I started compartmentalizing what other people tell me. I nod intently, and file the information away in case it has any merit later. I also am very good at looking serious and attentive, so that may be why it works for me. You aren’t misleading anyone by doing this, in case thats what bothers you. All you’d be doing is keeping your thinking process private until you’ve picked a solution to act on. You don’t owe other people confirmation of whether or not their advice will help you. Just accept, and leave it at that.
Maybe you can’t do that with the type of people they’re around you...but I think it’s a good idea to practice. When I first started holding my comments and questions back, I felt so uncomfortable, and it was hard to do anything f without checking by all my sleeps in thinking first. Now I’ve a much better filter, and I don’t just blurt things, no matter what’s being demanded, unless I’m sure I know what I think.

I am still learning. I think my situation is different in that my 'choice' is taken from me, which is why I went on the offense. I say no and make my own decision, then they go against my wishes, and then when things go bad it is my fault for the decisions that I've made. I just keep ending up in situations that I have no control over, and when I decide to opt-out, they already have a planned attack to break me down which leaves me with fewer choices. The worst part is that I can't tell the difference, but it is because people can be manipulative as hell to get what they want. Either that, or it's just human nature and it is unintentional. Either way, it isn't exactly the advice that I am avoiding...
 

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am still learning. I think my situation is different in that my 'choice' is taken from me, which is why I went on the offense. I say no and make my own decision, then they go against my wishes, and then when things go bad it is my fault for the decisions that I've made. I just keep ending up in situations that I have no control over, and when I decide to opt-out, they already have a planned attack to break me down which leaves me with fewer choices. The worst part is that I can't tell the difference, but it is because people can be manipulative as hell to get what they want. Either that, or it's just human nature and it is unintentional. Either way, it isn't exactly the advice that I am avoiding...

Oh yeah, I see how that turns into an intolerable situation. For context, the examples I’ve talked about comes from interactions in academia (professors, upperclassmen, and some peers). All of which care less about me, and more about my output and appearance. I know you’re less savvy on sharing concrete details, but Im curious as to whom you’ve had these interactions with. Are they family, friends, doctors, and/or coworkers? If so, I can understand how the situation can become cloying if I he other person feels “you just have to do a, b and c to get better,” when they’re wrong. Their worry and assumptions becomes the reality you have to live in.
 

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am still learning. I think my situation is different in that my 'choice' is taken from me, which is why I went on the offense. I say no and make my own decision, then they go against my wishes, and then when things go bad it is my fault for the decisions that I've made. I just keep ending up in situations that I have no control over, and when I decide to opt-out, they already have a planned attack to break me down which leaves me with fewer choices. The worst part is that I can't tell the difference, but it is because people can be manipulative as hell to get what they want. Either that, or it's just human nature and it is unintentional. Either way, it isn't exactly the advice that I am avoiding...

Oh yeah, I see how that turns into an intolerable situation. For context, the examples I’ve talked about comes from interactions in academia (professors, upperclassmen, and some peers). All of which care less about me, and more about my output and appearance. I know you’re less savvy on sharing concrete details, but Im curious as to whom you’ve had these interactions with. Are they family, friends, doctors, and/or coworkers? If so, I can understand how the situation can become cloying if I he other person feels “you just have to do a, b and c to get better,” when they’re wrong. Their worry and assumptions becomes the reality you have to live in.

Oh yeah, I did really well in academic environments. I had a high GPA without taking advantage of all of the loopholes that are available to those privileged enough to know about them. I had a few issues with the education system, which I think were justified.

It's mostly family, friends, and business people. Doctors are great, they have always looked out for me and do their best which I appreciate.

I can explain their strategies in abstract. I read a lot of books that describe their strategies and it's not like I am unaware of them.

This happens a lot, where someone will stage a whole scenario, and have everything setup so that I can solve their problem for them. The psychology is that once you make a commitment, and feel like you are a part of something, then they can use it to ask for more due to commitment and consistency.

Another is when they put things down in your way to create roadblocks. Then to get to my destination, I have to clear my path, and in doing so I have done work for them at my expense and their gain.

People also use chess-like strategies, where they plan things a bunch of steps ahead. Then an earlier step becomes the leverage that they use against you at a later step. They use these as a strategy to leverage intellectual properties and inventions from me. Sometimes they do it for cheap labor. Sometimes just as an ego trip.

I have had many times where I lose 10x what they gain, but it is more important to them that they win. The sad thing is that they would have gained 10x more by making us both winners.

I still always try to see the best in people. I just can't let it continue to come at a cost to me. Even if I have to cut them out of my life and look like a bad guy. They can change for once.
 

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The thing that hurt the most was finding out how many times I've been right, and been told that I was wrong.

Ahhhh, this is why I like you, I relate so much to everything you say. A lot of my problems circulated around this same thing. I've learned to give less merit to what other people say. That may seem selfish, but there comes a point where you have to accept your observations for reality. Otherwise, you'll never be able to think clearly. I cannot relate in words how much my sense of self suffered because of people doing this to me. When I figure it out, I felt like I'd been cheated for a while.

It is a difficult lesson to learn. I've found that just having someone who will listen is usually enough to make your own decisions and clarify your own thoughts.

I agree with you about feeling cheated, but more than that, people go on the offense when you stop respecting their opinions like you once did. I've found that most people are hypocrites and project how they would like YOU to act for their own benefit, not yours. Either that, or they are projecting to cover something up. Even when they are genuinely trying to help, many times it comes from their perspective of what would work for THEM if they were in your shoes. These were important distinctions for me to make. Just got to cut that out of your life for your own sake.

How have you been doing?

Hm, I'm alright I suppose. Everytime I seem to fix one problem, I seem to develop another one. I'll be alright, but it's just a matter of not being too hard on myself, while trying to improve whatever comes up next with my health. I've gone through a few new treatments over the past year and a half, so it's just hard to organize myself. I've gotten a lot of anxiety about leaving my room because I remember all those times I thought I'd be fine, and wasn't. I'm so used to feeling so sick and everything being hard, so when I'm feeling better I don't trust it. It's made it difficult for me to get things done this year, but I'm working on it. Thank you for asking, I appreciate it.

Maybe you can try out @Inexorable Username's system for productivity to see if that helps?

I hope things get better for you and you can lead the life that you want to lead.

At some point in my life, I started to realize that most of what I'd learned was wrong, and that the advice other people in my general life were giving me wasn't something I was prepared to follow...predominantly because those people didn't really understand me.

It took me a long time to realize that my ideal way to live is alone. I'm happy alone. I don't feel lonely. I don't have to deal with alienation or being weird or different when I'm alone - so I tend to like myself. I enjoy my own company. This is how I flourish. Once I came to the realization that it was okay to be different like that, and it didn't mean I was broken or somehow unhealthy or deluded...I really started to discover myself from the inside out. It's what led me here, and I've taken my person level of understanding even further since then. I'm much, much happier now. I have actually started following advice, but not from everyday people in my everyday life. I've been learning about what philosophers and entrepreneurs have to say, and I've been taking that advice to heart.

The thing is, the average person can only give you average advice....and it's often good advice, if you're average. Not so good if you're not.

I'm not saying that my personal discovery is something that would work for you. Maybe you can identify with something I said though, and maybe that can be useful to you in some way.

Good luck!

Exactly! I don't typically give out advice because I don't think that I understand the situation or what the person is going through. They don't understand me at all but feel like they have all of the answers.

I like being alone too most of the time. I would not survive on my own though. Like, how do you make money without interacting with people? I always find that the people that I like the most are introverts but they are introverts so we will never meet or hang out... lol

Ideally, I would like to be adopted by an extrovert and have a partner for life. That way I get the best of both worlds.

It has been a struggle for me to take any advice for the past few years. I listen but it is a struggle for me to understand what they are saying. I seen a quote that says "Don't complain" and I think, isn't THAT a complaint about people who complain? I guess I am overthinking it... It is just like that with everything and when I ask for feedback or clarification they just stop talking to me.

I saw a psychic and it was the best advice that I've gotten. I guess I just got to go with what works for me. It was quick and easy.

Anyways... I am doing a lot better now. I got rid of most of my stuff because it holds me back, I started going to the gym, I am eating more (which is good, I'm skinny), and the imbalance in my brain has normalized. I see things clearly now and started listening to myself and having faith that things will get better. Things have actually gotten a lot worse, but I feel a lot better and that is what is important.

Thanks again for the printouts and system. I took a few parts of it and applied it to my life and it's been helpful. I need to start making goals again so I can be more focused.

Great! I’m glad! The printout is mostly a concept....not really a “rule”. It’s the idea of having something visual that can help you to program your own dopamine feedback loop in the brain.

I don’t know what way it will work best for you which is why I put in so many “possibilities” and tried to emphasize that using it was a very flexible sort of a thing. All it’s supposed to really do at the end of the day is give you a visual thing that you can interact with and get a sense of accomplishment from, when you’re on the right track.

You’re funny. You’re the second INTP I’ve talked to that wants to be “adopted”, and I felt that way too before. For me, though, it was a case of the grass being greener on the other side of the fence. I thought I would work better if I had someone who could add that missing factor to my life, but it ended up costing me freedom, flexibility, and other things I cherish. In the end, I came to the conclusion that I flourish best alone.

For me, I needed to learn about Buddhism to get there. I’m not particularly religious, but the fundamentals of Buddhism checked out with my scientific research, and Buddhism encouraged curiosity, so it meshed with my style. I ended up discovering myself to a much greater degree, and finally...finally realized that I was meant to be alone, and not lonely.

That being said - I’m sure that most people wouldn’t be well suited to my way of having done things, so I can’t really suggest my path to other people! It was a very weird, weird way to go about hacking my way through the jungle of life! I got to where I was going though. Happy about that.
 

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Great! I’m glad! The printout is mostly a concept....not really a “rule”. It’s the idea of having something visual that can help you to program your own dopamine feedback loop in the brain.

I don’t know what way it will work best for you which is why I put in so many “possibilities” and tried to emphasize that using it was a very flexible sort of a thing. All it’s supposed to really do at the end of the day is give you a visual thing that you can interact with and get a sense of accomplishment from, when you’re on the right track.

You’re funny. You’re the second INTP I’ve talked to that wants to be “adopted”, and I felt that way too before. For me, though, it was a case of the grass being greener on the other side of the fence. I thought I would work better if I had someone who could add that missing factor to my life, but it ended up costing me freedom, flexibility, and other things I cherish. In the end, I came to the conclusion that I flourish best alone.

For me, I needed to learn about Buddhism to get there. I’m not particularly religious, but the fundamentals of Buddhism checked out with my scientific research, and Buddhism encouraged curiosity, so it meshed with my style. I ended up discovering myself to a much greater degree, and finally...finally realized that I was meant to be alone, and not lonely.

That being said - I’m sure that most people wouldn’t be well suited to my way of having done things, so I can’t really suggest my path to other people! It was a very weird, weird way to go about hacking my way through the jungle of life! I got to where I was going though. Happy about that.

I think that it is useful because it is conceptual. Ridged structures are my kryptonite. lol

What you are saying is the truth. Most people aren't well suited for the ways that I do things, which is why their advice is usually counter to what is actually good for me. I basically had to clear a path so that I can do things my way, and suddenly things are working out again.

I hear you, it's actually lonelier to be around people who can't share your interests. Being around other people who are like me though, I suddenly turn into an extrovert.

I do get adopted by extroverts occasionally and I have a great time. They usually move on and abandon me and I lose access to the entire group. I love it though, I am hoping to be up for adoption again in January... I am taking applications...

Yeah, and an update, I am doing great! I am not taking any drugs or medications, or alcohol. I am trying to self-medicate with exercise and hobbies instead. I am really happy and feel like I have control over my life and no one can take that away from me.

Thanks, I appreciate speaking with you. You're very interesting and I am sure you are good company too.
 
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