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Enlightenment is the understanding of oneness.

It is not the dichotomy that has been split by Platonian and Aristotelian thought; the separation of Good and True, respectively. It is the combination of these two.

The era of 'scientific thought' although marked by great technological advancements, has lost the other, equally important aspect of understanding. Of being.

I see too many people that are one or the other. Here, too many are Aristotelians. Somewhere else, there may be too many that are Platonian. The separation of rhetoric and dialectic thought will be the downfall of man.

Enlightenment is combining these features. Flip the coin. Consider the opposing argument. Think and feel.

Before we can get past Enlightenment, we must first realize that Enlightenment is the destination to which all prior roads lead.
 

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I don't understand oneness, and I'm okay with that. Maybe if you defined what it was, then maybe we all could understand it and be enlightened?
 

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Have you achieved this? If so, are you sure your enlightened state is generalisable to other people? Is it the only path to enlightenment?

Have others achieved it?

Upon what threshold would you say someone is enlightened? Everyone does both to some degree.

What qualifies you to be the harbinger of enlightenment? I've heard a lot of these claims flying round, but if all are to be believed... well... suffice to say they shouldn't all be believed.
 

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I don't understand oneness, and I'm okay with that. Maybe if you defined what it was, then maybe we all could understand it and be enlightened?
Did you actually read what I said, or is this a troll?

As said in the post (multiple times) oneness is the combination of Aristotelian and Platonian thought. Rhetoric and dialectic. Thinking and feeling.

It's the combination of our arbitrarily defined "modes" of living.

Have you achieved this? If so, are you sure your enlightened state is generalisable to other people? Is it the only path to enlightenment?
I'm trying to achieve it. I believe it is generalisable (word? XD) to other people, as I didn't make it up myself. Of course it is not the only path to Enlightenment.
Have others achieved it?
Others have tried. How can I know if they have achieved?
Upon what threshold would you say someone is enlightened? Everyone does both to some degree.
The Enlightened individual, would, I assume, understand that there is a natural balance between the two, and that it is desirable to achieve balance.
What qualifies you to be the harbinger of enlightenment? I've heard a lot of these claims flying round, but if all are to be believed... well... suffice to say they shouldn't all be believed.
Nothing qualifies me. I am no more qualified to be the harbinger of Enlightenment than a friend is to give advice to another friend, or a bystander is qualified to help a victim of a robbery.

There are many paths and many roads that lead to Oneness, and all of them are true.
 

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Aristotle is actually in the middle with Kant and phenomenology.
 

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Aristotle is actually in the middle with Kant and phenomenology.
Could you give evidence for this claim?

Also, I'm no expert in Phenomenology. However, at a quick glance it appears to be centered around the interpretation of quality of an object?
 
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Quite interesting, imho: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoplatonism#The_One
Enlightenment is the understanding of oneness.

The separation of rhetoric and dialectic thought will be the downfall of man.
You're doing well. :)

While enlightenment is understanding The One, there's more than just enlightenment. The One can only be known as the totality of conception, when in reality it is everything and nothing. 0 is the sum of all positives and negatives. In order for one to possess godhead, one must lose themselves.

Man may, and will fall. Life continues.
I don't understand oneness, and I'm okay with that. Maybe if you defined what it was, then maybe we all could understand it and be enlightened?
See neoplatonism wiki.
Have you achieved this? If so, are you sure your enlightened state is generalisable to other people? Is it the only path to enlightenment?
I can't speak for T.I. but... *ahem* Yes, it's generalizable to all people BUT limited to those with the intrinsic qualities required to be enlightened (Dabrowski's Positive Disintegration is a good model), and it is the only path, though there are many ways for the chosen to travel it.
Goddamn I sound like a cult leader. Koolaid? :D
It's the combination of our arbitrarily defined "modes" of living.
What led you to this?
 

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You're doing well. :)
:D
While enlightenment is understanding The One, there's more than just enlightenment. The One can only be known as the totality of conception, when in reality it is everything and nothing. 0 is the sum of all positives and negatives. In order for one to possess godhead, one must lose themselves.
How do you lose yourself? The next step. I've done it before, and I think they key may be to never build yourself back up again.
It's the combination of our arbitrarily defined "modes" of living.

What led you to this?
If there is Oneness, and we are split from Oneness, then the fault of the split lies in the hands of man. If the split is the result of man (thought), then it must be arbitrary (coinciding with whatever man happens to believe).

To fix the split is to discontinue thought. To live without inhibition. Does one really want to be Enlightened, then? Can we understand Enlightenment without being Enlightened? How can we use it to better ourselves and others?

The answer lies not in the action, but in the premise. The combination, which must be done sub-consciously. We take the principles of true Enlightenment and apply them to ourselves, and we can achieve the most palatable result.
 

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I'm trying to achieve it. I believe it is generalisable (word? XD) to other people, as I didn't make it up myself. Of course it is not the only path to Enlightenment.


Others have tried. How can I know if they have achieved?

Nothing qualifies me. I am no more qualified to be the harbinger of Enlightenment than a friend is to give advice to another friend, or a bystander is qualified to help a victim of a robbery.

So nobody has achieved this that you know of, including yourself? I know you have said that you have no qualification in this area, but surely there is some reason you think the things that you do despite the lack of evidence, and then want to share them?


The Enlightened individual, would, I assume, understand that there is a natural balance between the two, and that it is desirable to achieve balance.

1) - You're making assumptions about higher order thought. This is akin to knowing precisely what will happen after the singularity before it happens. If you already know, the enlightenment/singularity is a non-event. You're already there.

2) - "natural" - If a balance is natural you shouldn't have to strive to achieve it. Are you using the term "natural" to denote something other that 'without interference'?

3) - The worth of balance is not self-evident (golden mean fallacy). Extremities can lead to difficulties, but extremities are subjectively defined. Enlightenment is an extremity in itself, perhaps the more enlightened thing to do is to veer away from your current course in favour of a more ignorant perspective?

There are many paths and many roads that lead to Oneness, and all of them are true.

This has me confused. All of the paths that are actually paths are also true? How do you know there are more than one? Are they mutually exclusive?


Sorry man, I'm not trying to be a wet blanket.

Edit: All dem posts weren't there when I began writing!
 
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Yo. You really need a dose of Thelema in your life. It trumps Discordia handily.
How do you lose yourself? The next step. I've done it before, and I think they key may be to never build yourself back up again.
You work at it. Through meditation, mantras, thought control (Pratyahara), manic focus, openness... "Building yourself back up again" is really re-entering your limitations, like a soul re-entering a body. In reality one does not "lose" themselves, but adds to themselves. Losing yourself is adding more to yourself, and indeed one never goes back.
If there is Oneness, and we are split from Oneness, then the fault of the split lies in the hands of man. If the split is the result of man (thought), then it must be arbitrary (coinciding with whatever man happens to believe).
We are all split from One in different ways. It's not a fault caused by man, but one intrinsic to man; intrinsic to life.
To fix the split is to discontinue thought. To live without inhibition. Does one really want to be Enlightened, then? Can we understand Enlightenment without being Enlightened? How can we use it to better ourselves and others?
Thought shall not be discontinued, but instead hyperdirected; broadcast widely in all directions. The sum of all of everything is nothing. "Betterment" is loaded. Betterment = enlightenment.

Without inhibition, but with constant thought.
The answer lies not in the action, but in the premise. The combination, which must be done sub-consciously. We take the principles of true Enlightenment and apply them to ourselves, and we can achieve the most palatable result.
There is no difference between premise and action. :beatyou:
 

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So nobody has achieved this that you know of, including yourself? I know you have said that you have no qualification in this area, but surely there is some reason you think the things that you do despite the lack of evidence, and then want to share them?
I see the world, and put my interpretation on it. I've heard other people say similar, if not identical things (Pirsig, Kant come to mind).

I think the things that I am saying are worthy of consideration because the patterns are there in the world, and we can see them. Look for the dichotomy. It's in everything. It's the basis of interpretation for any spiritual or logical (yet another dichotomy) debate. It could be one or the other.

I'm simply saying that we should try not to think 'one or the other' but that there is no 'one or the other' and that it is what it is and that's it
1) - You're making assumptions about higher order thought. This is akin to knowing precisely what will happen after the singularity before it happens. If you already know, the enlightenment/singularity is a non-event. You're already there.
My apologies. That's the logic streaming through. This is why I haven't achieved what I'm talking about XD
2) - "natural" - If a balance is natural you shouldn't have to strive to achieve it. Are you using the term "natural" to denote something other that 'without interference'?
I'm saying exactly what you're saying. It is natural. We are conditioned by society to acclimate to what others have made 'natural'. We are striving for something we all already have, but has been tainted by what others have told us to do.
3) - The worth of balance is not self-evident (golden mean fallacy). Extremities can lead to difficulties, but extremities are subjectively defined. Enlightenment is an extremity in itself, perhaps the more enlightened thing to do is to veer away from your current course in favour of a more ignorant perspective?
No, it is not self-evident. However, I explore, and I want to understand the value in it. My understanding is that Enlightenment is central, (which is also an extremity). Logically, the worth of being central is being able to see the extremes of your surroundings.

This has me confused. All of the paths that are actually paths are also true? How do you know there are more than one? Are they mutually exclusive?
One mountain, many paths.

This is not new thought.

Sorry man, I'm not trying to be a wet blanket.
No worries! I'm glad you've taken interest :)

I try to provoke thought, in the least.
 

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Well, so long as you're open about it, you have my blessing!

Be careful how you use it. XD
 

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Yo. You really need a dose of Thelema in your life. It trumps Discordia handily.
It's all the same.
You work at it. Through meditation, mantras, thought control (Pratyahara), manic focus, openness... "Building yourself back up again" is really re-entering your limitations, like a soul re-entering a body. In reality one does not "lose" themselves, but adds to themselves. Losing yourself is adding more to yourself, and indeed one never goes back.
I'm... LIMITLESS :storks:
We are all split from One in different ways. It's not a fault caused by man, but one intrinsic to man; intrinsic to life.
So then the split is intrinsic to life. The fault lies in life.
Thought shall not be discontinued, but instead hyperdirected; broadcast widely in all directions. The sum of all of everything is nothing. "Betterment" is loaded. Betterment = enlightenment.
Yes yes. The cheerio. The tangent at x = 0. We both understand. Whether or not we choose to use the understanding the same way is still in progress.
There is no difference between premise and action. :beatyou:
Sure there is, just as there is difference between thought and action! Even attempted action and action.
 

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Did you actually read what I said, or is this a troll?

As said in the post (multiple times) oneness is the combination of Aristotelian and Platonian thought. Rhetoric and dialectic. Thinking and feeling.

It's the combination of our arbitrarily defined "modes" of living.

So enlightenment is ignoring these arbitrary distinctions, or acting specifically to walk the line between them? If the prior, I'm already doing it. If the latter, I don't care about it.
 
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I'm guessing you're hesitant to respond due to the whole ENTP whack-a-mole thing, but, I've actually prodded this one quite thoroughly. Thus I can't resist triangulation. :D

(But do refute. I want understanding, not deference).
1) - You're already there.
Uhm.... This is actually true. :D Both blind and normal sighted people simultaneously exist. :phear:
2) - "natural" - If a balance is natural you shouldn't have to strive to achieve it. Are you using the term "natural" to denote something other that 'without interference'?
A balanced hive is rife with unbalanced bees, seeking balance.
3) - The worth of balance is not self-evident (golden mean fallacy). Extremities can lead to difficulties, but extremities are subjectively defined. Enlightenment is an extremity in itself, perhaps the more enlightened thing to do is to veer away from your current course in favour of a more ignorant perspective?
This is actually not the golden mean fallacy. Truth isn't a locus between two opposites, it is all positions simultaneously. The anti-locus, if you will. You also happen to be correct in that ignorance is desired, but as a product of expansion.
This has me confused. All of the paths that are actually paths are also true? How do you know there are more than one? Are they mutually exclusive?
Subjective perspective leads to infinite paths, but they're only useful if an individual agent is oriented in the right direction.
It's all the same.
Oh, no no no! :mad: ***
So then the split is intrinsic to life. The fault lies in life.
The fault lies in Nous; in universal consciousness; in the transcendence of existence itself; The One. The fault is Holy.
Yes yes. The cheerio. The tangent at x = 0. We both understand. Whether or not we choose to use the understanding the same way is still in progress.
*** :mad:
Sure there is, just as there is difference between thought and action! Even attempted action and action.
All thought and action is unified under the same systemic structure; the Markov Network. Action vs inaction is merely a binary pathway to the next node, a la double helix. ***Herein lies the importance: Discordia represents but half the double helix; the recognition of perspective and ubiquitous nature of thought and information; equal consideration. Thelema is the entire double helix, coupling action with potential. With expansion they are One.
 

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How does combining Aristotelian and Platonic thought result in an understanding of oneness? Break it down for me.
 

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Uhm.... This is actually true. Both blind and normal sighted people simultaneously exist.

But we don't trust those who have been blind all their lives to describe what things look like to the other blind people. In fact, people who are cured of life time blindness sometimes lack the cognitive development to comprehend what they see.

A balanced hive is rife with unbalanced bees, seeking balance.

I think this metaphor is insufficient, or I'm too dense to understand your intentions. The imbalance in a beehive would be dysfunction, and balance would be conformity. With enlightenment, people are promised something that they ordinarily don't have. It might be being argued that people without logic and technology are enlightened, and that these thing take us further from enlightenment. If that's the case then I disagree.

This is actually not the golden mean fallacy. Truth isn't a locus between two opposites, it is all positions simultaneously. The anti-locus, if you will. You also happen to be correct in that ignorance is desired, but as a product of expansion.

This sounds like ENTP gibberish (no offense). Truth is the correspondence of a claim to reality. My God this cat is being adorable... err.. If it so happens that reality is a superstate of all possibilities at all times, then you're correct, but even if that is the case, you only experience one possibility. I'd make the distinction between your truth, which is entirely unuseful given the scope of your experience, and truths which relate directly to what you actually experience or are more likely to experience. Essentially, I'd add the unspoken assumption clause of "I have/am/will experience..." to every thought.

Sorry, I'm getting off topic, but I guess this is as good place as any to address this. Consideration of infinite possibility taxes finite resources. The tools used to simplify the reality equation are essential for any meaningful thought to occur. When you state that truth is all possibilities simultaneously, you're either setting restrictions on what qualifies as a possibility, you're not acknowledging the limitations of a finite cognitive capacity, or your claim is a redundancy as it's not speaking of truth as a construct that is known. Pull me up if I'm lost, I'm finding it difficult to tie thoughts together atm.

Finally, your take of this enlightenment business may not be a golden means fallacy (you make it very difficult to attach any labels to anything), but as presented in the OP, that's pretty much exactly what it looks like.
 
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But we don't trust those who have been blind all their lives to describe what things look like to the other blind people. In fact, people who are cured of life time blindness sometimes lack the cognitive development to comprehend what they see.

This... this is just unrelated, on my part because I added too much to what was a better metaphor.

I think this metaphor is insufficient, or I'm too dense to understand your intentions. The imbalance in a beehive would be dysfunction, and balance would be conformity. With enlightenment, people are promised something that they ordinarily don't have. It might be being argued that people without logic and technology are enlightened, and that these thing take us further from enlightenment. If that's the case then I disagree.

I'm alluding to a general axiom. Everything, every concept, etc., that exists has an opposite, and these two opposites work in synergy to produce a unique whole. Protons and electrons in an atom are a classic example. The whole atom is naturally balanced, but its component parts naturally aren't. Enlightenment is the process of a component part moving towards a balanced state within the center of the whole; becoming a neutron, per se.

This sounds like ENTP gibberish (no offense). Truth is the correspondence of a claim to reality. My God this cat is being adorable... err.. If it so happens that reality is a superstate of all possibilities at all times, then you're correct, but even if that is the case, you only experience one possibility. I'd make the distinction between your truth, which is entirely unuseful given the scope of your experience, and truths which relate directly to what you actually experience or are more likely to experience. Essentially, I'd add the unspoken assumption clause of "I have/am/will experience..." to every thought.

The golden mean fallacy says that when presented with a a list of 1-7, the answer is always 4. I'm saying that the answer is 7! (<-factorial, not 7). I'm alluding to this process (#1), which I actually only recently discovered written better than I could write it :D : http://www.intpforum.com/showpost.php?p=392707&postcount=24

I assume Bhakti is for those with Ni and Jnana Ne.

The reality is that all possibilities, all loci (<-niches) exist, regardless of whether or not they're currently or actually occupied. There is no distinction between niches at the macro level. One... forever pictures themselves as part of the machine, while imagination identifies empty niches when it glides past them, sort of like the using cigarette smoke to identify security lasers trick, if security lasers were actually real things.


Sorry, I'm getting off topic, but I guess this is as good place as any to address this. Consideration of infinite possibility taxes finite resources. The tools used to simplify the reality equation are essential for any meaningful thought to occur. When you state that truth is all possibilities simultaneously, you're either setting restrictions on what qualifies as a possibility, you're not acknowledging the limitations of a finite cognitive capacity, or your claim is a redundancy as it's not speaking of truth as a construct that is known. Pull me up if I'm lost, I'm finding it difficult to tie thoughts together atm.

Finally, your take of this enlightenment business may not be a golden means fallacy (you make it very difficult to attach any labels to anything), but as presented in the OP, that's pretty much exactly what it looks like.
The consideration of infinite possibility is relatively effortless, passive, and unconscious. Synchronicity makes this easy. It's ridiculous of me to try to convince you of something that can only be experienced. It's the major flaw of the human condition, really. Synchronicity tries to make up for it but there's no known causality behind it yet. I'll define the infinite as all that can be conceived by the collective sapience/consciousness of the universe. Infinity doesn't exist separate from the finite.

The fact that I only feel its trunk does not negate the possibility of the rest of the elephant existing.

I can't make you experience the same qualia complex, I'm not even certain if you can given the human condition (it might be an N-dom thing...?), but it does exist and is experienced by a large enough portion of individuals to produce things like Hinduism, especially the tantric variety.
 

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If we were going to talk about any form of enlightenment I agree that I like Dabrowski's model (in THD's link) as potentially one of the most interesting I've seen. It captures both the sense of a journey that is highly personal in its means and circumstances, and one that still exists in a wider archetypal context.

I think reintegration/ stabilisation after periods of disintegration is inevitable and healthy, but that through it one can at the very least become more flexible, self-aware, creative, intuitive, etc. John C. Lilly called this self-metaprogramming, I think: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_biocomputer#Metaprogramming

Personally I don't like the term 'enlightenment' though, it's just loaded, vague, and makes me 'meh'. :p

If we're talking about exploration outside the personal consciousness; volatile (and potentially unverifiable) ground. I think it's best to do experiments on yourself in baby steps and in carefully controlled environments as this kind of stuff can quickly turn on you. Medieval ages had a phrase for entering unexplored and potentially unsafe territory: "warning: here be dragons."

@THD - I've noticed you bring up synchronicity a few times now. I'd be interested in an explanation of your personal understanding of it here or elsewhere if the time presents itself. :)
 
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If we were going to talk about any form of enlightenment I agree that I like Dabrowski's model (in THD's link) as potentially one of the most interesting I've seen. It captures both the sense of a journey that is highly personal in its means and circumstances, and one that still exists in a wider archetypal context.

Personally I don't like the term 'enlightenment' though, it's just loaded, vague, and makes me 'meh'. :p

If we're talking about exploration outside the personal consciousness; volatile (and potentially unverifiable) ground. I think it's best to do experiments on yourself in baby steps and in carefully controlled environments as this kind of stuff can quickly turn on you. Medieval ages had a phrase for entering unexplored and potentially unsafe territory: "warning: here be dragons."

@THD - I've noticed you bring up synchronicity a few times now. I'd be interested in an explanation of your personal understanding of it here or elsewhere if the time presents itself. :)
1) Those who are enlightened are part of the illuminati, sssilly! :D

2) I believe we have fundamental differences in understanding due to differences in cognition. I assume I understand a lot of it unconsciously tbh, and I know less about what it is and more about what it does/causes as an agent-level phenomenon and emergence. One bird in a flock misinterprets a shadow as a predator and shifts its flight path ever so slightly before realizing it's a shadow. That slight shift results in emergence as its neighbors react, and it reverberates through the whole flock, and outside the flock itself. In this way (Heisenberg Principle), synchronicity represents the collective conscious/unconscious as being.

But as for what it is... I can't help but envision systems structures; niches; loci; the blank slate itself. And how it works? Fuck. It just appears/happens. The transfinite is full of fractal umami.

[bimgx=400]http://meddicblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/russian_nesting_dollsset-3-0.jpg[/bimgx]

Enlightenment is that condition of occupying a space several deviations larger (or smaller!) than that of the average bear. We are the dragons. :eek:
 

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1) Those who are enlightened are part of the illuminati, sssilly! :D

2) I believe we have fundamental differences in understanding due to differences in cognition. I assume I understand a lot of it unconsciously tbh, and I know less about what it is and more about what it does/causes as an agent-level phenomenon and emergence. One bird in a flock misinterprets a shadow as a predator and shifts its flight path ever so slightly before realizing it's a shadow. That slight shift results in emergence as its neighbors react, and it reverberates through the whole flock, and outside the flock itself. In this way (Heisenberg Principle), synchronicity represents the collective conscious/unconscious as being.

But as for what it is... I can't help but envision systems structures; niches; loci; the blank slate itself. And how it works? Fuck. It just appears/happens. The transfinite is full of fractal umami.

[bimgx=400]http://meddicblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/russian_nesting_dollsset-3-0.jpg[/bimgx]

Enlightenment is that condition of occupying a space several deviations larger (or smaller!) than that of the average bear. We are the dragons. :eek:

Thanks. In honesty, I agree completely with the impulse to think of it in terms of systems structures and complexity and like this description - I think a problem is me not translating my intuitions well. But I'm a humanities student rather than biology - I have no mathematical training, so though I'm interested in these ideas and read around it my understanding is always vague.

I might write a summary of my thoughts on it in that old blog thread I had soon. I'd like something to refer back to either way. /endsderail
 

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All thought and action is unified under the same systemic structure; the Markov Network. Action vs inaction is merely a binary pathway to the next node, a la double helix. ***Herein lies the importance: Discordia represents but half the double helix; the recognition of perspective and ubiquitous nature of thought and information; equal consideration. Thelema is the entire double helix, coupling action with potential. With expansion they are One.
Everything says the same thing differently. It's all a different spin on the same dime, the same pathway beaten to a pulp. And people think they've got something new when it's just a slight step to the side in the path, and they label it a new trail. It's simply a detour. They're getting off track and forgetting that the most impressive and interesting path is the one you make yourself.

Dharma accentuates this. The path has many twists and turns for you to choose. The less guidance you are given, the better. You make your own judgements. You experience your own world, and project your simplistic views to what is around you. It makes everything else exciting, everything else new. You look at the world through a very large lense, you're bound to find something that catches your eye. You can change the magnitude according to level of interest. You can pick and choose your own personal path, so long as you're aimed in the right direction (which if you understand at all what's being said, you will). I don't claim to be some great intuitive enlightened master who will carry everyone into enlightenment. I'm just saying it is possible for everyone to get there on their own, with enough patience, including myself.

How does combining Aristotelian and Platonic thought result in an understanding of oneness? Break it down for me.
I don't know, maybe you could tell me what I was saying.

If we were going to talk about any form of enlightenment I agree that I like Dabrowski's model (in THD's link) as potentially one of the most interesting I've seen. It captures both the sense of a journey that is highly personal in its means and circumstances, and one that still exists in a wider archetypal context.

I think reintegration/ stabilisation after periods of disintegration is inevitable and healthy, but that through it one can at the very least become more flexible, self-aware, creative, intuitive, etc. John C. Lilly called this self-metaprogramming, I think: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_biocomputer#Metaprogramming
Personally I don't like the term 'enlightenment' though, it's just loaded, vague, and makes me 'meh'. :p
The term has baggage, but the state itself remains pure.
If we're talking about exploration outside the personal consciousness; volatile (and potentially unverifiable) ground. I think it's best to do experiments on yourself in baby steps and in carefully controlled environments as this kind of stuff can quickly turn on you. Medieval ages had a phrase for entering unexplored and potentially unsafe territory: "warning: here be dragons."

@THD - I've noticed you bring up synchronicity a few times now. I'd be interested in an explanation of your personal understanding of it here or elsewhere if the time presents itself. :)
I would argue that exploration outside personal consciousness happens to everybody every single day. You interact with the world around you, no?
 
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Everything says the same thing differently. It's all a different spin on the same dime, the same pathway beaten to a pulp. And people think they've got something new when it's just a slight step to the side in the path, and they label it a new trail. It's simply a detour. They're getting off track and forgetting that the most impressive and interesting path is the one you make yourself.

Dharma accentuates this. The path has many twists and turns for you to choose. The less guidance you are given, the better. You make your own judgements. You experience your own world, and project your simplistic views to what is around you. It makes everything else exciting, everything else new. You look at the world through a very large lense, you're bound to find something that catches your eye. You can change the magnitude according to level of interest. You can pick and choose your own personal path, so long as you're aimed in the right direction (which if you understand at all what's being said, you will). I don't claim to be some great intuitive enlightened master who will carry everyone into enlightenment. I'm just saying it is possible for everyone to get there on their own, with enough patience, including myself.
There is an observer difference here. And I can finally highlight it! :D :D :D

I make my own path by incorporating as much as I can gather, everything, into it. All possible spins, and the dime, so as to ensure that my action is whole. You're doing the opposite; recognizing everything you encounter, and reacting to it. Positioning yourself better. And of course we're both misunderstanding each other because of it. :)

Jnana vs Bhakti. :elephant:
^These aren't different paths, but traits of two different kinds of individuals moving along them.
 
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