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I think it's actually a universal human thing (probably universal to any self-aware social sentient species) and it's about signalling. Early on it served to reinforce the social bonds of the family and clan against other unfriendly families and clans. It was important to belong to a family and clan, because without them you would have a much harder life. So people signaled their loyalty to family and clan, signaled basically means affirming family or clan values or positions. Clans became tribes, tribes became nations. Classes is another signal, rich and poor.

People in companies will signal the company line for fear of being ostracized. It's not that the company line is wrong, usually it isn't, but it is important to show support of it or you may get fired, laid off, or promotions won't come as quickly if at all.

Friends signal loyalty to their friends, because having friends is better than not having friends.

That inherent mechanism still needs to express itself and one of the most common forms in the US is political party or ideology. People just need to feel like they belong and with no real "other" the separation happens internally. The rift between groups grows as the signalling becomes more frequent and more intense.

So I think the solution is to find an "other" that is alien to both groups and can then knit them together against it. It's all very exhausting though.
Well that seems fairly straightforward, groups form in the presence of an external threat and collapse to self interest in its absence, so if the ideal is a unified world how can that be achieved? Without overwhelming force.
 

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Have you ever read watchmen, a giant squid squid monster will do the trick. :D

But seriously, if we are motivated to unite only because it is safer that way, we need some kind of external force, perhaps some interaction with alien life. Whether they are friends or enemies they are not us, and that would make us stick together.
 

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Us vs them has always been a silly concept to me. however, for the populace as a whole its a very effect motivator. Its sometimes the difference between what is logical and what works.
 

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Controversy unites. Without controversy, purposes diverge, eventually creating more of it anyway. It's a self balancing system.
 

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Well that seems fairly straightforward, groups form in the presence of an external threat and collapse to self interest in its absence, so if the ideal is a unified world how can that be achieved? Without overwhelming force.

lots of psychedelics. lots.

or just unified by the understanding that we wont be around forever. peaceful coexistence in response to the external threat of this universe trying to kill us (and it will succeed one day).

and if that doesnt work. go kick some rocks at cthulhu's lair.
 
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Its called globalization. There was unified effort for it in the 1980's but since then the multi-national economies and corporations have not succeeded in creating the benefits they promised. Mainly to overwhelm National governments with initiative, environmental friendliness and increased international trade. It said it would create happy, healthy and wealthy customers.

But now there is a rising force protesting this. Nationalism has resurfaced. both negative-nationalism and the traditional sort are protesting the government and globalization. It also is shown in the low voter turnouts suggesting a mass cynicism.

Also i would like to remind you that even if a sign or symbol is known by the everyone alive it still does not constitute a 'Universal' value.
 

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Well that seems fairly straightforward, groups form in the presence of an external threat and collapse to self interest in its absence, so if the ideal is a unified world how can that be achieved? Without overwhelming force.

Sports. Or any other common interest, really.

You're indicating one general principle of group formation, but there are many others.
 
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Sports. >.>

I agree, a world could be completely based upon a sport. It probably has been done. but this does not allow for development. When it comes to a developing unified world than there will be trouble.

Is development inevitable? if so then how does a world accommodate for social divergence... You could call earth 'one world' with culture divergence. so could we all converge - culture convergence? wouldn't that create a cross road scenario. where either no one continues on their path and everyone is together at the fork in the road. or people decide to continue on their paths, when people try to unify the world at that fork in the road we get cultural suppression.

If we accomodate culture we get a diversity of worlds. if we assimilate culture we get fascism or whatever some bad stuff.

Cognisant

I think what we should be asking is what makes a up a World>? what makes one world seperate from anouther|>?

how are the first world and 3rd world seperated? if the whole population of earth was considered a 1st world would that be our 'one world'?
 

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Sport? You've got to be kidding me.
Playing sport perhaps but not watching it, that's the epitome of us and them thinking.
How many soccer riots have there been? I'm afraid to walk the streets when a major Rugby game is on, I might get attacked by a bunch of drunken louts for wearing the wrong coloured shirt even if it has nothing to do with rugby.
 
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Sport? You've got to be kidding me.
Playing sport perhaps but not watching it, that's the epitome of us and them thinking.
How many soccer riots have there been? I'm afraid to walk the streets when a major Rugby game is on, I might get attacked by a bunch of drunken louts for wearing the wrong coloured shirt even if it has nothing to do with rugby.

Enthusiasm, you create an artificial other which you use to funnel the populations suppressed emotions and frustration towards. don't hate the game hate the player ;) fascism would work well

Why do we need one world anyways. i think the "other" boundary which i take it as (your reasoning) why we have multiple worlds opposed to your "one world".

if we don't have an other we don't have an I - we distinguish everything through its opposites. we would need an irrational third something we cannot come to through using the original terminology of the problem to solve it.

if there is an "us" and a "them" now then there must be a "no one" to create a unified world. I think this kinda of used with terrorism.

Terrorist don't have a side, Suicide bombing is usually the calling card for terrorism.
 

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Sport? You've got to be kidding me.
Playing sport perhaps but not watching it, that's the epitome of us and them thinking.
How many soccer riots have there been? I'm afraid to walk the streets when a major Rugby game is on, I might get attacked by a bunch of drunken louts for wearing the wrong coloured shirt even if it has nothing to do with rugby.

Not like that in the US.
 

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Not like that in the US.

are you kidding me? its worst. the sports fetishm and rampant waste of time and money pro sports are in this country. its arguably biggest here than any other place inteh world. How many people were stabbed at baseball games alone last year? riots, drunken idiots, fistfights, brawls, etc....open your eyes. Sports is a housing for the rampant masculinity and groupthink that corrupt our society. COmbine that with the sort of religious like following of statehood icons in the form of cute little cuddly mascots, and its just more consumer bullshit and allegiances to imaginary organizations, which are nothing but GOLDEN TICKETS to print money. .

i mean dont get me wrong, i grew up a massive sports fan and athlete, love sports themselves...but these are two completely different things. seriously LOOK around at how much the sporting industry is worth, how when football season rolls along it gives people an excuse to just get drunk and act stupid. Besides theres nothing WORST than blind faith and groupthink, which is rampant within sporting fans. They will deny anything but, "my team is the best", even when they are staring at an 0-24 season. Delusion, hypocrisy, FANaticism. not a good thing.

now i DO think the positive to derive from sports events is CAPTURING that energy and committment, and simply swaying it to a more productive means of social change. Because there are TONS of that said energy to be harnessed.
 

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are you kidding me? its worst.

Really? Do you know how it's like in other countries?

the sports fetishm and rampant waste of time and money pro sports are in this country. its arguably biggest here than any other place inteh world.

If it makes people happy, then how is it a waste?

How many people were stabbed at baseball games alone last year? riots, drunken idiots, fistfights, brawls, etc....open your eyes.

I dunno. How many? I'll bet you that it's much less violent per capita in the US than in European countries like the UK.

Sports is a housing for the rampant masculinity and groupthink that corrupt our society.

if the goal's to unify people, then this is the idea, after all. Terrible, isn't it?

COmbine that with the sort of religious like following of statehood icons in the form of cute little cuddly mascots, and its just more consumer bullshit and allegiances to imaginary organizations, which are nothing but GOLDEN TICKETS to print money.

Again, that's the idea.

i mean dont get me wrong, i grew up a massive sports fan and athlete, love sports themselves...but these are two completely different things. seriously LOOK around at how much the sporting industry is worth, how when football season rolls along it gives people an excuse to just get drunk and act stupid. Besides theres nothing WORST than blind faith and groupthink, which is rampant within sporting fans. They will deny anything but, "my team is the best", even when they are staring at an 0-24 season. Delusion, hypocrisy, FANaticism. not a good thing.

Value doesn't really depend on team performance. :/

And people have and use loads of things to use as excuses toget drunk and stupid. That doesn't make the thingterrible, in itself.

now i DO think the positive to derive from sports events is CAPTURING that energy and committment, and simply swaying it to a more productive means of social change. Because there are TONS of that said energy to be harnessed.

Yeah. But the OP's ideal is a unified world. Full stop. So.
 

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@Philovitist

The sports analogy is obviously poor. Stop defending it. Pretty much...

Sports is a housing for the rampant masculinity and groupthink that corrupt our society.

I would say the groupthink and idiot machismo is more effect than cause.
 

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Well that seems fairly straightforward, groups form in the presence of an external threat and collapse to self interest in its absence, so if the ideal is a unified world how can that be achieved? Without overwhelming force.
The fundamental principle being applied here, is still an "Us V Them" mentality, only the "Them" is extraterrestrials.

Given how far away any inhabitable planets are, to get here to be a potential threat to organise ourselves against, would require technology far in advance of our own, and thus, they could easily win. By opposing them, we unite, and they annihilate us.

If they don't make it here, then eventually, we develop the technology to go there, and then we annihilate them for being our enemy, because we decided they were the enemy, only to get us to unite. Not exactly moral.

Anyway, it only works so long as the threat is perceived to be present. During that time, we're living under wartime conditions. Think how everyone is afraid of terrorism, and imagine that we're never free of that fear.

The rest of the time, everything goes back to divisiveness.

IMHO, not really much of a solution, more a temporary solution to a permanent problem.
 
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