OBJECtive morality and GOd Fuck you if you dnt agree with me

[ijustprotectedmyidentity]

FUCK you if u dont agree with me; im right

objective morality can only exist if god exists


EUTHYPRos argument:

objective morality cannot be proven in a scientific or mathematical way.

killing is bad. killing is ok

raping is bad. raping is ok

that cannot be proven by science or math

so if god exists and if god says raping is bad. killing is bad. follow the 10 commandments. IT IS OBJECTIVE

why is it objective???

heres the fucking punch line, ITs objective BECAUSE HE SAYS SO

if he says killing is ok. its ok because he says so. and he created the universe, he created physics. so he can create objective morality


maybe he cant. maybe god is also a subjective moralist ahahahahah maybe god is a logical being and maybe he is a subjective moralist and maybe maybe he himself cannot create objective morality

wow i just mindfucked myself new question ok ok new question is

GOD can create objective morality because he fuckign says so so shut the fuck up or VS. GOd himself cannot create objective morality because it is not logical.

does god have the power to create objective morality because he says so?

discuss

 

[Claverhouse]

Are you drunk by any chance ?


Moved to The Oubliette




Claverhouse

 

[Cognisant]

Objective Morality = Amorality

Theists may call it the absence of morality, I call it self determination, the usage of free will, taking absolute responsibility for oneself, one's actions, and the results of those actions, i.e. to be amoral is to be your own god, to judge thyself.

There is no harsher overseer than one’s own conscience.

 

[Anthile]

Unfortunately, we most likely live in a deterministic universe.

 

[Jennywocky]

Are you drunk by any chance ?

Only God can determine that.
(Because He says so!)

 

[Cognisant]

If I drink, that is my choice, if I become drunk, it is the will of Allah

 

[Da Blob]

Unfortunately, we most likely live in a deterministic universe.

Actually very few modern philosophers believe that Determinism is a valid philosophy, but like other popular traditional ways of thinking it is refusing to die because it justifies certain behaviors and attitudes.

IMO, there really seems to be a correlation between the personalities of those who adamantly conserve traditional religious values and those would adamantly conserve traditional philosophies...

 

[Anthile]

I fail to see how any philosophy becomes any less or more true just by popularity.

 

[Claverhouse]

To The Legion Of The Lost Ones, To The Cohort Of The Damned

Objective Morality = Amorality

Theists may call it the absence of morality, I call it self determination, the usage of free will, taking absolute responsibility for oneself, one's actions, and the results of those actions, i.e. to be amoral is to be your own god, to judge thyself.

There is no harsher overseer than one’s own conscience.

Oh, I dunno: from what I understand of the British Empire there was no harsher overseer than a devout Irish Sergeant determined you should not fail to make the glorious ultimate sacrifice for King and Country. Well, maybe a Sergeant-Major Glaswegian Poison Dwarf, from 'The Ladies from Hell' who'd found out you had accidentally smashed the last whisky-bottle...



Besides, some of us voided the warranty on our consciences at the age of five.


'God help us, for we knew the worst too young ! *




Claverhouse




* Rudyard...

 

[ashitaria]

This thread is fucking hilarious.

 

[Cognisant]

Besides, some of us voided the warranty on our consciences at the age of five.
'God help us, for we knew the worst too young!'

That's brilliant, personally though my parents used the power of suggestion on me, for example when I was doing something wrong one of them would start counting down in a very slow, deliberate way, completely without explanation, leaving me to ponder what and why they were doing it, or what the repercussions may entail.

A vague threat will sway the child that a hundred broken canes cannot.

 

[Jennywocky]

That's brilliant, personally though my parents used the power of suggestion on me, for example when I was doing something wrong one of them would start counting down in a very slow, deliberate way, completely without explanation, leaving me to ponder what and why they were doing it, or what the repercussions may entail.

A vague threat will sway the child that a hundred broken canes cannot.

Totally agree on that.
The fear of the unknown/ambiguous is also why terrorism works.

... the only thing that sucks for a parent is if the kid calls the bluff. ("Oh crud, NOW what? I have to think of something REALLY good!")

 

[Roran]

FUCK you if u dont agree with me; im right

objective morality can only exist if god exists


EUTHYPRos argument:

objective morality cannot be proven in a scientific or mathematical way.

killing is bad. killing is ok

raping is bad. raping is ok

that cannot be proven by science or math

so if god exists and if god says raping is bad. killing is bad. follow the 10 commandments. IT IS OBJECTIVE

why is it objective???

heres the fucking punch line, ITs objective BECAUSE HE SAYS SO

if he says killing is ok. its ok because he says so. and he created the universe, he created physics. so he can create objective morality


maybe he cant. maybe god is also a subjective moralist ahahahahah maybe god is a logical being and maybe he is a subjective moralist and maybe maybe he himself cannot create objective morality

wow i just mindfucked myself new question ok ok new question is

GOD can create objective morality because he fuckign says so so shut the fuck up or VS. GOd himself cannot create objective morality because it is not logical.

does god have the power to create objective morality because he says so?

discuss

You really should try to smoke less weed.....

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Note: Objective morality is not Absolute morality. Many people believe that morality is absolute, but far fewer would say that it is actually Objective (i.e. indepdent of the Subject, whether as causing or affected). Or at least, I would think that they wouldn't. Many seem to have values that are based on "following the rules" for no reason other than that they are rules, or "to increase knowledge" for no reason other than that knowledge is increased.

If you claim that the proper way to act is in reference to such Objective measures as these, then I guess you are saying that morality is Objective. But in my opinion, the only way such a view could be justified is if you were to justify such goals in terms of Subjective considerations. However, people with such views rarely do this, as fundamentally they are just acting on instinct, not on any sufficient reason for moral principle. And I suppose this is a legitimate way to go about things - you should always be true to yourself. If it doesn't work for you, then evolution will make sure things change, and if it doesn't work out for the collective, evolution will make sure things change.

Do what you feel is right, but ask the question to yourself sincerely.

 

[scorpiomover]

I fail to see how any philosophy becomes any less or more true just by popularity.

Bit like being on a beach in South-East Asia, on Boxing Day, 2004, and seeing a stampede running away from the beach, as fast as those animals can run.

Sure, maybe it's nothing. Stampedes happen all the time. But isn't it worth finding out WHY they are running away, BEFORE saying "It can't be that they are running away for good reason, like from a tsunami"?