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BurnedOut

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Hi, I am Mr Fatty as Mr BurnedOut calls me. He is thin and short and like a stick and I am more rotund than the average callipygian people of my ilk. I take my label seriously because being called 'fatty' is offensive and BO is a cunt for that. He thinks that being thin and lean is better than having a huge bottom like mine but he is wrong. Probably he does not know the fact that I trump lean men in general when it comes to physicality. That is ought to burn BurnedOut's flat arse who is neurotic about staying lean. I don't care about all that for there are simply too many things for me to do.

You may think being fat is funny. Sure, it is funny but the truth is, I am not that fat. I am not as fat as the 300 pounds sisters. I don't know BO calls me 'fatty' but in reality I am just 'chubby'. I really don't buy the notion of 'obesity kills you' and other shit like that because Google Scholar overwhelming agrees with me regarding healthy guys like me being ostracized and singled out for no reason. Well, I love eating food but I also fast intermittently. I have a very huge breakfast with 4 eggs and 8 slices of bread so that I don't feel hungry in the noon and a huge dinner consisting of a plateful of steamed rice with some curry, typically, daal. At night, I gorge down 3 mangoes and a big glass of cold coffee. Skinny keeps telling me about mangoes having a large glycaemic index but I told him to go fuck himself and that I can eat whatever fruits I want to eat because fruits are healthy.

Skinny does not have as many friends as I do despite his claim that raising blood levels a day keeps a healthy life away. All my friends are nice and round and we keep going out for dinners and stuff. I love having burgers despite Skinny's admonitions which get ridiculous - burgers are extremely unhealthy. Come on man, do you really think all this aligns with the fact that us fatties are lazy slobs? Well, I am an HR manager at the age of 22 and Mr Skinny is still grinding his arse with his Masters. What do you skinny people get from hating all fatties like us? Have you seen your goddamn families? Yes, I am fat (no, actually I am really healthy and chubby) but I am not useless.

I told Skinny that I go to gym but Skinny tells me that I am not working my arse in the gym quite enough. Well, is it really my fault? I love doing cardio workouts so I use the treadmill for the better part of the hour and walk for an hour. All my chubby friends do that. We lay siege to the treadmills and prevent any Skinny from using it. Why do you ask? Well, I like walking but I don't get enough time. And many people say that you gotta go the gym consistently if you are weight training. I don't like weight training because who the fuck really does other than wannabe bodybuilders? They carry their lean physique like fucking apes and starved villagers and take pride in it. Do they know that being chubby is a sign of prosperity? Skinny tells me that fatties were begun to be stigmatized only after WW2 but does he see that being fat comes with so many benefits? I mean, I am not too tall - 5'9" and my waist size is nearly 40 - 10 inches larger than Mr Skinny but I am very happy with it.

I go to docs every 6 months at least once. Doc tells me that I should be a bit more active but to be honest, now that my workload has increased (Oh, do you even know how much a manager has? Barking orders is only one of them!), I get even less time. I go the office gym and do cardio there but my job is such, I have to go with my senior managers at restaurants for drinks thrice in a week. Well, we all love drinking especially me. Let me tell you that I have gulped down 10 bottles of beer and I was still standing while Skinny simply became unconscious after his 3rd bottle. We had to take him to the hospital that day to get excess alcohol pumped out of his stomach. Sad bastard. I should blame my boss though. He is a real fatty - 6 feet tall with a monster paunch and he has slayed more women than I or Skinny can imagine. Skinny does not understand that these psychological duds of facts don't count much in your real life. See anybody who cares about Ukraine? If you do then you are the idiot because you are spoiling your life by thinking of things that don't matter. Stop fucking being so intellectual - I tell BO and calls me a 'fat fuck' and then we engage in a brutal fight. Once he called me 'Humpty Dumpty' and made a limerick - 'Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall, his sugar had a big fall' when I was having my beloved alphonso mangoes. I told him, 'You sad short malnutritioned, malnourished and stunted piece of shit, why don't you cadge the government for a fucking job to at least buy your own food.' He replied with 'At least my farts don't cause global warming.' Such a stupid fucking claim. At least I am not dying of starvation and undernourishment.

The thing is, you skinny bastards and scientists and all of you wrecking your head with topics such as 'Obesity epidemic' are just negative people. There is so much to live in here and now, why the fuck do you want to waste time? I mean what if you turn from being skinny to being chubby?
 

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Correct me if I’m wrong but I’d think it’s self-evident that moderate (not excessive) exercise and good nutrition are healthy for everyone. You may as well both do that, fatty and skinny.

The thing is even if two people do that body-types are such that one person will be leaner than another. I’ve always been around 10 stone as an adult despite periods of binging while some of my larger friends were vegan and keeping fit.

Some people also get larger as they age. My Mum and Dad were both lean young adults, my Mum is now larger while he’s stayed the same. Despite the fact she works as a gardener doing lots of intense physical activity and he was an office worker sitting on his behind all day.

Basically I conclude eat well and keep fit and your weight is what it is. No point getting neurotic about staying thin and letting it impact your self-esteem if you’re already doing these things.
 

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Hi, I am Mr Fatty as Mr BurnedOut calls me. He is thin and short and like a stick and I am more rotund than the average callipygian people of my ilk. I take my label seriously because being called 'fatty' is offensive and BO is a cunt for that.
Mr BO smells.

Skinny does not have as many friends as I do
I noticed many years ago, that the obese guys in college had way more friends than the thin guys. They're also much happier.

Also, the fat girls have lots of genuine friends, and are much happier. Ever seen a skinny girl who smiles? That's because they all get f**ked.

What do you skinny people get from hating all fatties like us?
It's called a superiority complex. Skinny is miserable. So he tries to hide his misery by claiming he's better off than you.

That's because until WW2, calorie-rich food was expensive. The only people who could afford to eat enough to be fat, were rich people.

Let me tell you that I have gulped down 10 bottles of beer and I was still standing while Skinny simply became unconscious after his 3rd bottle. We had to take him to the hospital that day to get excess alcohol pumped out of his stomach. Sad bastard.
Yes. I've seen that happen myself. Skinnies should be banned from drinking alcohol, to save them from dying. Tell him to stick to heroin.

The thing is, you skinny bastards and scientists and all of you wrecking your head with topics such as 'Obesity epidemic' are just negative people.
Negative people need someone to look down on, to make them feel worthwhile.

There is so much to live in here and now, why the fuck do you want to waste time?
Because now that people don't have to work 16 hours a day, they have nothing to do for 8 hours a day, except go on the internet and insult people.
 

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eh, a little fat is better than none. I think too skinny looks bad on people, also, its like hugging a stick, would rather see / feel the soft squishy chub really and besides that, its feels better to fall into someones arms that are soft pillows than into bony hard arms.

I think you can be healthy with fat, but focus on heart health is all, eat a handful of walnuts every day - they are very protective of the heart. Eat foods with electrolytes to help keep fluid in your body in the heat. Pears and Avocado and Dates and Walnuts and Krill and Leafy Greens. If you do that, have a salad before bed, you body will be fine whatever its size.

Remember to take Krill and Omega 3, it helps balance hormones, brain and heart function. Limit fried foods. Walk a bit. Eat berries of all types. Eat long chain fatty acids like coconut oil, that will at least keep the focus on health rather than looks.

Supplements to help burn fat and keep blood sugar at normal levels are: Look on amazon for "healthy heart" and Arazo Nutrition Blood Sugar 365. I think its that there is so much toxic overload in the environment and in what we eat and plastics that the fat is a by product of that. If you look at photos of people in 1950, hardly anyone was fat. Plastic water bottles, teflon pans, food wraps and containers, tupperware, all of that is bad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic
 

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While I do think society fetishises skinniness, this seems like it could be swinging too far the other way?

The main benefit I see from being skinny (other than society not bullying you) is mobility. Everything that is active is so much easier. I guess this is a big one for me because I'm not very strong, so adding another 10kg or so would murder my mobility (although I'd probably be a little stronger to compensate).

Not sure about the alcohol tolerance stuff? I thought fat played only a small part in alcohol tolerance? Also, drinking should not be a competition. If you want to drink lots and still be sober, drink light?
 

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The main benefit I see from being skinny (other than society not bullying you) is mobility
It actually makes a difference by leaps and bounds in many different ways - traveling is easier because you don't mind walking, outdoor activities are more fun than making you pant your lungs out and sports come without much difficulty. That establishes several positive feedback loops that keeps you fit and motivate you to be fit
 

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The thing is even if two people do that body-types are such that one person will be leaner than another. I’ve always been around 10 stone as an adult despite periods of binging while some of my larger friends were vegan and keeping fit.
Obesity is different than simply having a huge constitution. The latter actually looks fit because I have seen several large people myself who were not obese even if their weights were a lot.

Regarding your mum and dad - that's a fairly normal phenomenon in good marriages - the couple overfeeds each other.
 

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While I do think society fetishises skinniness, this seems like it could be swinging too far the other way?
There is an inactivity epidemic happening in Europe wherein screen time of an individual is overriding their health habits. Obesity is a big issue in India because the government faces the twin problem of battling obesity and comorbid NCD and on the other hand, battling malnutrition and the war on both fronts is extremely jarring despite the fact that basic foodstuff such as veggies and grains have been historically manipulated by the state to make it accessible to the normal populace. Despite the huge storage quotas the Indian government regularly exceeds when it comes to foodgrains like wheat, both issues herniate the efforts of the Government to promote healthy nutrition on one hand and providing nutrition to the malnourished on another. The former chips away at the health of the public and the latter perpuates a dangerous cycle of natural selection of the best of the impoverished. Generations upon generations in the former grow up in NCD risk by default because of their unhealthy parents and the latter become continually stunted over time.
 

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There is an inactivity epidemic happening in Europe wherein screen time of an individual is overriding their health habits.
UK gub-mint has been encouraging the poor to stay in their homes and watch screens, since before I was born. You could go to any council estate in the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s, and see tons of lardies.

Became so common, that they got their own comic strip

The Fat Slags

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As your own OP pointed out, at this time, thin became attractive, when for most of human history, and until at least 1900, the reverse was true.

The cheap food is chock full of calories: biscuits, cheap sugar, etc.

The healthy organic food is much more expensive.

If the gub-mint makes the poor fatties stop eating 8,000 calories a day and go back to eating lots of fruit & veg like they used to, and gets them to exercise every day, like they used to, then the rich people will look like the poor.

If you remember, Abercrombie & Fitch asked Chavs to stop wearing their clothes, because it was ruining their brand as the clothes of the rich.

Same issue.

The alternative is for the rich to get obese. But since nowadays, everyone knows that obese = unhealthy, the rich would be making themselves unattractive and the poor would become attractive.

Obesity is a big issue in India because the government faces the twin problem of battling obesity and comorbid NCD and on the other hand, battling malnutrition
True.

But how many Western governments, powerful governments and rich governments are worried about millions of poor Indians dying, and want to do something to help the poor Indians?

Sorry, mate.

A solution would be making lots of Indian crackers that are low in calories and/or high in GI, and making the Indians play outside, like everyone used to.
 

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Losing weight is simple enough, just get a regular sized bowl or small plate and eat only as much in one sitting as what will fit on that bowl or plate (~400g) have only three meals a day, drink only water and go for a 30min jog every day.

I tend to stay at about 120kg which is dad-bod territory for my frame, I exercise enough but I eat too much, it's entirely possible to be fat and have good cardio fitness so it doesn't really affect you in terms of mobility/endurance but it will always affect flexibility (can't touch my toes).

And shoes, I am the destroyer of shoes.
 

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My meds made me gain 80lbs (40kg?) Self-esteem killer when I was ideal balance between muscular and chunk @ 220lbs (100kg) over 6ft. The meds kinda fucked me up too.

It's pretty hard when your meds make you literally crave dopamine on top of the shitty food industry. I'm thinking about just starting a chicken and rice diet and do what Cog said with a whole bunch of prepared Tupperware.

I lost 30lbs-15kg farily quick once but I couldn't keep if off, as soon as stopped calorie counting and walking an unreasonable amount it all came back.

Writing this out I think I'll also talk to drs about switching meds to something else, they're objectively a pretty shitty deal anyway.
 

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Read up on gut microbiome. It has a lot of influence when it comes to sense of hunger, cravings etc. Truth is, a lot of skinny people just don't feel hunger and cravings that often. They feel full with a sufficient amount of food.

To feed your gut in a good way, you should eat fiber (which good bacteria in your gut eats and produces good stuff for your brain and body), fermented food and non-processed food.

Ofc, it's difficult because when your "bad" gut bacteria already have control, they will signal you to eat more shit. We're biological machines being controlled being literally tiny bacteria.

Also, if you are lazy (which might be a side effect of bad bacteria and diet), strength exercises is a very minimal effort type of way of getting a good body shape and burn more calories (muscle needs fuel). You don't even have to do much. Just like 10 pushups every day, 10 squats. Enough to make you feel the muscle burn, is enough to maintain muscles.

I have been chronically ill with fatigue, so I have learned to do the minimal and still get results. Also, the diets in a lot of places is fucking atrocious making us sicker and fatter

Being obese also probably impacts mental clarity and intelligence. I can literally see more mental clarity in people who lost a lot of weight, it's like they've become a more mentally present person. I think there are studies on this topic as well. But if you just look at people, you can tell.
 

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This article explores the phenomenon of Normal Weight Obesity and obesity in Mumbai (the richest city in India). It is a nice cross-sectional study which has conclusions that cannot be ignored. I won't regurgitate what it is trying to say because it is fairly straightforward to read.

@Minuend, people's stomach actually distend when they start binge eating and if they end up doing that too frequently, their tummy simply is too big to be filled by having moderate amounts of food - https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1038/oby.2001.98
 

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Clutch moves from Minuend.

Not sure if stomach size has much to do with appetite or likelihood to binge. I'm sure it's a cue for some people, but you'd think it'd be a relatively easy habit to break if there isn't any biological signal underlying it.
 

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There's no "inactivity epidemic" going on in the developed world. Modern man hasn't suddenly changed their habits to cause obesity. It's way simpler than that.

People used to work in the fields, do grueling physical jobs that made them fit and they prepared their own cheap plant based food that they could barely afford. It's not like folks in the past were more motivated or aware of their health compared to modern humans. The only reason they weren't obese was the demanding physical labor and limited access to highly processed carbohydrate-rich and fatty food. It's not some great achievement of theirs, their life was dictated by the environment that they were in.

Nowadays it's often cheaper and faster to buy processed fatty/sugary food than making your own meals and the work is mostly sedentary with almost no physical components. It's easy to get too many calories, nobody is forced to burn calories and it's also possible to be malnourished whilst eating too much of the wrong thing.

Thus again, people who lack the basic control over their lives, or have no idea what they want from their life, simply become shaped by the environment that they live in and get fat or become what's the easiest thing to be at that time. That's the path of least resistance.

If the environment changes, average people will change with it. Being in good physical shape used to be the norm and now it's an indication of above average self-control.
 

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@Glaerhaidh If the only changing variable is environment, then wouldn't it be safe to conclude from what you're saying that the environment we live in is not as healthy as it once was, or isn't conducive to good health? In which case, what makes the environment and the sedentary types of jobs we have now better than what we had before?

I started developing symptoms of chronic fatigue a few years ago and I've found that my sedentary, mentally focused role/lifestyle to be the primary trigger. When I'm physical and in my body I'm fine, when I'm in my mind all the time I'm sick. I basically spend at least 3 hours of my day firefighting the problems this lifestyle creates for me so I can keep working. To me, it's a pretty strong signal to shift environment/lifestyle, which I am in the process of doing.

But it's taught me a lot of sympathy for the sick, which includes the obese. It takes a lot of strength and self-discipline to keep on top of, especially if there are other mental health factors at play (that are probably contributing to the sickness and also the lack of motivation.)
 

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Besides the bloodsugar 365 mentioned above which will improve insulin resistance, also focus on mitochondrial repair using red fruits and coconut oil. Plastics and environmental toxins damage mitochondria which are important in the digestive process. MCT coconut oil and Polyphenols help repair them.

I'm not sure which brand you want to buy, but something with a lot of purple and red fruits and vegetables which have antioxidants and polyphenols. These will also help probiotics thrive, so add in a good probiotic too like 'seeking health' brand (I keep them refrigerated):







Buy a bagful of lemons or oranges and squeeze two each morning and add in the red fruit powder.


 

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I have to deal with the opposite. 183cm tall and 80kg. Lanky bean-pole. But I'm not complaining. All the studies done on lab animals have shown about a 15% increase in life-span for those which are kept at the brink of malnourishment. Consequently I have no desire to put any weight on despite all of my 'larger' acquaintances saying I look too skinny. Besides, we should be eating to live, not living to eat.

An interesting trend I've noticed amongst said 'larger' acquaintances is that they all (bar one of them) plan their days around never being hungry. That blows my mind. It would be like planning your day around never being tired or thirsty or never having to urinate. Insane. I smoke weed (a lot of weed) and I don't plan my days on never being sober/straight.

One meal a day is all anyone really needs. And skipping whole days is not the end of the world. Maybe I am being ignorant, but weight loss doesn't seem hard.

People who get 'hangry' are the worst. So selfish and inconsiderate.
 

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Oh, that hangry is all about blood sugar issues (Reactive Hypoglycemia) / need to have food available in case of low blood sugar. Yes, I have that, I have to carry either peanut butter sandwich, tuna sandwich or protein snack where EVER I go in case of low blood sugar which I have.

What happens if your blood sugar drops too low? You get pale clammy cold sweats, shaky, your vision and brain function drop (can't focus, speak, think or see well) you can't walk or move, you just need to fall asleep, and you can also go into a coma. So, peanut butter sandwich and milk will bring it back up but you have to get under bed covers to warm up and recover after the protein/milk and it takes 45 minutes to start feeling better. Thats why the food has to be carried with them all the time. But again, blood sugar 365 helps improve that. The body that does NOT have insulin resistance can be fine on one meal a day, but insulin resistance is not about willpower or being inconsiderate, its a mad need to avoid crashing. If you eat any kind of carb (potato chips, bread, dessert, etc) without balancing it with a very high protein, you will crash: Look at the symptoms, irritable is the hangry you mentioned: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactive_hypoglycemia
 

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being jacked up on caffeine and nicotine all day makes it easy to stay lean. That is my method. You literally have zero appetite all day.
 

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Environment is the main factor, there are other factors like mental health et al. Mental health is also affected by the environment, internal state and many other factors. So the environment has strong direct influence AND indirect effect through environment-dependent factors.

That's what I'm saying, the environment in the past used to pressure people into physical activity and fitness, now it doesn't, but I don't think it's become worse. More people can afford to be healthy and people live longer, but also increased productivity demands are more stressful and health has become optional rather than mandatory.

Also I swear, even looking at people who try to exercise regularly, at least half of them only does it to look more attractive and wouldn't do it for the health benefits. Or they exercise and take steroids so their health is worse off than when they started. World is full of vanity.
I have to deal with the opposite. 183cm tall and 80kg. Lanky bean-pole. But I'm not complaining.
In what universe is 80kg lanky for a 180cm person? That's a healthy, normal looking weight.

Being 189cm tall with a weight of 84kg, I have 3 heavy workouts and light workout in my off days. I used to balance around 70kg without exercise and that was lanky. I'd call what I have a lean muscular look. If 70kg was my base with 0 muscle, then 84kg can be 12kg stored in muscle mass alone, the rest is fat (Water mass depends on the diet, people who want to fake bigger muscles dehydrate themselves and do other tricks to look better). It all depends on how much of the excess is stored as muscle mass vs body fat.
 

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This article explores the phenomenon of Normal Weight Obesity and obesity in Mumbai (the richest city in India). It is a nice cross-sectional study which has conclusions that cannot be ignored. I won't regurgitate what it is trying to say because it is fairly straightforward to read.

@Minuend, people's stomach actually distend when they start binge eating and if they end up doing that too frequently, their tummy simply is too big to be filled by having moderate amounts of food - https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1038/oby.2001.98

Clutch moves from Minuend.

Not sure if stomach size has much to do with appetite or likelihood to binge. I'm sure it's a cue for some people, but you'd think it'd be a relatively easy habit to break if there isn't any biological signal underlying it.

Stomach size? Why are you both mentioning that? I never talked about it.

It's not contradictory to the factors I talk about. For instance, feeding bad bacteria with bad food could lead one to eat more, and also gain some size in the stomach. If you think there's something wrong here, try getting/ staying fat on eating lentils and broccoli for 3 months, without any condiments or excessive cooking fats etc. I doubt it's possible, regardless of how much you eat. You will never be able to eat that much of those types of foods.
 

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Broccoli is great, but it has to be nice soft and Green. Most times of the year this is hard to buy. Same goes for seazon vegetables and fruits.
Bannanas have a tendency to be old and rotten so I don't like buying them. I am aiming more to build energy and healthy foods habits, losing weight is secondary,but welcome side effect.
 

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Hmm I don't get hangry, but often times I develop tension and light headedness before my body tells me I'm hungry. When I had depression I gave up eating out of nihilism, and I feel like the malnutrition then sort of affected my natural biological indicators for hunger. I literally have tensions and lightheadedness if I skip a meal, but don't feel hungry though. :(

I eat just enough to make the tension go away.
 

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Probably he does not know the fact that I trump lean men in general when it comes to physicality
Well Mr Fatty you might outlast him in bed but he's gonna outlast you in life, btw fat people have decresed penis size.
I really don't buy the notion of 'obesity kills you' and other shit like that because Google Scholar overwhelming agrees with me regarding healthy guys like me being ostracized and singled out for no reason
Maybe because you're stuck inside a victim mentallity and because you show passive agressiveness in your interaction I doubt anyone nice would categorize people by their BMI skinny or not, Gschoolar also agrees that being fat and overweight is unhealthy and overwhelmingly have a negative correlation with life expectancy. Ask my uncle, oh wait you can't he's dead.

Skinny tells me that fatties were begun to be stigmatized only after WW2 but does he see that being fat comes with so many benefits? I mean, I am not too tall - 5'9" and my waist size is nearly 40 - 10 inches larger than Mr Skinny but I am very happy with it.
Well you can do whatever you want Mr. Fatty but what you can't do is advertize something which is clearly unhealthy as being the opposite, you can be happy sure, but I certainly don't think that advertising it as healthy to be very intellectually honest. 2 wrong doesn't make a right.
Stop fucking being so intellectual - I tell BO and calls me a 'fat fuck' and then we engage in a brutal fight. Once he called me 'Humpty Dumpty' and made a limerick - 'Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall, his sugar had a big fall' when I was having my beloved alphonso mangoes. I told him, 'You sad short malnutritioned, malnourished and stunted piece of shit, why don't you cadge the government for a fucking job to at least buy your own food.' He replied with 'At least my farts don't cause global warming.' Such a stupid fucking claim. At least I am not dying of starvation and undernourishment
This BO guy sure sounds like a real asshole, you should stop being friends with him, I hope you get better friends, but I hope more that you're not using your stupid friends as an example of how most people treat fat people and certainly not as a strawman, my my, that would be very intellectually dishonest of you Mr Fatty, I mostly hope you won't use his attack on you as an excuse for staying fat.

Also tell that BO guy that being skinny isn't necessearily healthy, it's being fit that matters.
 
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