Obedience Experiment

[Grayman]

Anyone else know about this experiment?
http://www.simplypsychology.org/milgram.html

https://youtu.be/eTX42lVDwA4

There is also a movie on netflix


I am curious if Ti and Fi dominants would be less susceptible to obedience in the conditions of this test or if there are other factors at play here.

 

[Sly-fy]

I don`t know about others but there`s no way I`d take any role in any such unethical and demented experiment. Even if it isn`t real, tricking people like that alone is inhumane IMO.

We shouldn`t be looking at ways to justify cruel behavior, but rather I think that we should look at how to deter people from committing cruel and despicable acts.

 

[Grayman]

I don`t know about others but there`s no way I`d take any role in any such unethical and demented experiment. Even if it isn`t real, tricking people like that alone is inhumane IMO.

It only reveals to people what they are really capable of. It is an opportunity to alter who you are and be a better person. How is that unethical? If they didn't want to suffer the guilt of what they did they should not have done what they did in the first place.

We shouldn`t be looking at ways to justify cruel behavior, but rather I think that we should look at how to deter people from committing cruel and despicable acts.

I don't know what you are referencing this to.

 

[Sly-fy]

@Grayman - Maybe there was some merit to doing that candid camera experiment, but what I meant by my second paragraph was that we shouldn`t attempt to shun individual responsibility, as I found this scientific (?) experiment was attempting to do by leading us to assume that since more than a majority of people tend to follow orders all the way to the end with no ceiling, that somehow it is acceptable to do whatever, regardless of the ethics or the amount of cruelty, so long as one is doing their job or "following orders." They mentioned something about NAZIs and alluded to the possibility that they weren`t responsible for what they were doing. I don`t know, that idea just doesn`t sit right with me. But I did find it fascinating to tell the truth.

 

[Urakro]

Didn't watch the video (I hate videos, I'd rather read), but I'm guessing it's about the experiment where the subjects were authoritatively ordered to electrocute an imaginary person in another room, whilst listening to them scream.

Which was something incidentally on my mind lately, as I did something similar, but not to the extreme extent in this example.

People will do anything as long as they have the justification for it. In abstract, the mind has a mindlessly agreeable part protected by a variable armor of critical factors. If the critical analysis passes and doesn't set off any flags, the command gets passed to the agreeable mind where it just gets executed. The passing through the firewall-like rules of the critical area is 'justification'.

So it could be your moral that you'd never steal, but there is more likely exceptions to that rule. You wouldn't steal if you felt it wasn't justified. You wouldn't lie unless you felt it justified. And etc.

One very strong 'justification' for many people is that someone in authority told them to do it. Why that is so commonplace could probably be answered better by Yellow.

 

[Grayman]

Didn't watch the video (I hate videos, I'd rather read), but I'm guessing it's about the experiment where the subjects were authoritatively ordered to electrocute an imaginary person in another room, whilst listening to them scream.

Yes this is how the experiment went. I had included a link to a written summary of the experiment; I don't know if you saw it. I haven't found anything in detail.

 

[Silent Sage]

I learned about this in Psych earlier in the year.
It might not have been completely legit concerning ethic or as precise in possible in method but it's still very relevant.

The experiment highlights the role of context and conditions on conformity (obedience).

Why was this created under MBTI and Typology instead of Psychology and Neuroscience?