Ni or Ne?

[Nihilmatic]

This may be an ill-informed question but I was just wondering.

From ages 4-10 I remember how much I loved my imagination.

I usually would depict a fantasy in my head physically, where I would run around in circles and make special effect noises with my mouth. I would take a pillow and pretend it was the greatest enemy in the world and proceed to beat the crap out of that pillow. I would be detached as I move around, so me doing half a somersault would be me leaping from some building dodging some obstacle in my head.

In school, I would always try to find the most simple way to do things, especially in math where I would constantly try to find tricks to do the problem faster. It became frequent where the class would freak out if I didn't raise my hand and say I have a trick. These was one of my most favorable memories as a kid.

I did this until about 10 or so because of social expectations. During my elementary years I would spent more than 3/4 of my time in school (even now) just daydreaming and fantasizing about my own world where I was the protagonist that would save the world.

I still remember how my biggest dream as a kid was to explore the Bermuda Triangle (because no one else was able to). I would tell all my teachers how my dream was to explore the Bermuda Triangle, and how I would get friends committed enough to go find out the mystery with me. I thought the triangle had some extremely abstract experiences, until I found out it was just a bunch of radio waves that messed with the compass and other navigation devices that people used.... This was super disappointing to me.

I would also read tons of books that revolved around something creative, like Percy Jackson Series, Warriorcats (it's about cats... but the story aspect was amazing), Seekers (both by Erin Hunter), Harry Potter, (some book that was about a library in a tree house that took you back to that time period), etc.

I don't know if this is enough to say if it's Ni or Ne. People don't necessarily have to develop their dom function first, it could alternate.

I was also really interested in astronomy, where I would watch NOVA, or other documentaries consistently from 9-14. I remember having a folder full of pictures that I found interesting, and they consisted mostly of planets and outer space. Middle school was hell which I won't really go into.

Now (senior at HS) I doze off about how things would play out if I changed a certain variable. Like what would happen to the thing if I changed this. I would doze off into whatever I'm interested in; I would get addicted to whatever I loved doing at the moment, for example: I would be constantly thinking about a game that I found out about 5 years ago, or I would play out all the scenarios in my head.

Even as a kid if I had a crush on a girl, I would play out what would be the best thing to say what would happen, etc (I rarely acted upon it though). Same with my hobbies like chess, league, etc.. I would try to become the best at whatever I really enjoyed doing. I remember even playing pokemon competitively (EV training, and going to tournaments) when I was about 9-11.

I would usually know that something will happen, and it quite frequently would.

I was curious if I started off with Ne or Ni?

And isn't Ni = Ti + Ne, basically using Ni is same/better than Ne where Ne needs Ti?

 

[nanook]

Ni is your call for a heroic journey, until it's your destiny and cross. It's your perception of confusion and clarity, as measured by your ability to be confident and decisive, unquestioning/faithful about following your path.

Ne is the playground you live in, until it's your prison, boredom and signs of your decay. It's your perception of abilities and disabilities, as measured by the demands of this objective reality.

In Ne aux kids N is not clearly extroverted yet. The differentiation develops slowly and only then a preference for the E side becomes obvious.

But the dominant function sets the Ni dominant type and the Ne aux type apart.

Your fantasies with the pillow show traces of Ni but the fact that you perceive them as fantasies in the first place is typical for Ne preference. As we get older, we don't really follow Ni. we are just absorbed by it for occasional moments only, because usually we perceive contradictions through Ne, that appear as obstacles to interpreting Ni as real or serious. We have a hard time integrating the wisdom that is within out frequent glimpses of Ni with our lifestyle agendas. Meaning it's not obvious to you, what the pillow represents and how you may be meant to beat up whatever it stands for in real life. Socionics calls Ni in Ne aux types "demonstrative function", look it up. We don't go onto a shamanic quest into the forstet frequently. I did, imitating the Ni temperament, hoping for the same results. but we know from experience, we will just end up wondering about the bees and the birds and time and infinity and the human condition, but find no specific inspiration about our path in live, about what to do. our path comes from within introverted judgement, it's where our subject is awake. and a forest opens our mind to infinite self-annihilating possibilities (Ne), not to clear discrimination of where we need to journey (Ni).

the whole bermuda triangle stuff is science fiction exploration, objective, Ne. discovering new worlds to incarnate into, not having too much own agendas about it, apart from wanting to figure out their laws or possibilities. the world will show us it's ways, all ways are good, if they don't break us. of course introverted judgement is highly critical of whether these ways are worth the trouble. the Ni type doesn't have such an obstacle between him and his journey. nor does the Ne dominant type.

 

[Spirit]

Such a great explanation of Ne.

 

[Nihilmatic]

So I was developing my Ne?

How would Ni differentiate within a child and his imagination? Like INTJ and INFJ kids.

 

[TheManBeyond]

yeah that nanook post totally confirmed i'm not a Ni dom and i think he's right thus my previous phrase

 

[ENTP lurker]

All intuitive have both versions strong it is question of preference. I have pretty strong bouts of Ni at times but it gets tiresome and boring. I could show lots of Ni even to point of faking it as my preference in right state of mind.

Ni as it attracts Se gives you adventurous imagination. Many novel writers are Ni types. More unnatural stuff comes from NIFe types and making the world rolling is NiTe.

Ne it takes in real world of hidden potential so you are bit out of the of yourself so you are attracted to Si as the anchor. It is very much sciency stuff. Let it be natural or social.

If you are writing novels in your just because you exist you are Ni. If you decipher the world around you it is Ne.

 

[Haim]

I am seeing Ne as predicting the next input.
As you hear a start of a word and complete it without hearing all of it.
Here is my theory:
The brain abstractly made up of a lot of functions that
have input and output.
Ne seems to learn the inputs pattern that are inserted to the functions.
The Ne takes input and it's output is the prediction of the next input.
Now we have 2 kind of inputs,
1.the inputs from hearing,seeing and the nerve system.
2.from one neural network in the brain to other.(one function output as input to other function)

Ne role in imagntion seem to be taking image in the brain as input and produce the next image in the imagntion.
In dreams when there is total change is when Ne fail to predict the next image.

I had to say somewhere this theory of mine,might be off topic or might not.

 

[ENTP lurker]

Input comes from Ti database calculated results and probably from sensual memories. Ne above hovers above hazy Ti collection of systems and lets Ti connect dots between them to give a new system. Repeats the cycle until you start to see subatomic particles.


Think of it as abstract version of CSI enhance function done inside your mind where visual stuff is replaced by boxes of abstract information. Well I get hazy images constantly but it starts to verbally juggle with related concepts.

 

[Nihilmatic]

You know I still haven't decided.



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