New Girl

[Spirit]

Nice to see a lady ISTP join the forum.

The TiFe is strong with this one.

 

[Flawed_Ravvn]

@ Spirit- thanks I guess lol! Although, all the personality tests I've taken say I'm an INTP so I don't know.

 

[Spirit]

@ Spirit- thanks I guess lol! Although, all the personality tests I've taken say I'm an INTP so I don't know.

Well I am pretty sure those test did not consider your spatial - kinesthetic abilities.

Ti and Fe i am sure you relate to. Unfortunately, the questions on the tests are not setup to distinguish the difference between SeNi and NeSi very well.

 

[Cherry Cola]

Okay so hence she is ISTP because sports?

 

[Red myst]

I sense another derailment coming!

 

[Flawed_Ravvn]

@Spirit- Could you explain more about that?

@Red myst- LOL!!!

 

[Spirit]

I won't derail. Welcome to the forum whatever you may be.

 

[Flawed_Ravvn]

@Spirit- LOL!! Thanks guys for welcomes

 

[Variform]

This is sheer idiocy. I guess that makes auto mechanics accessories to murder too, since people die in car accidents. And burger flippers, because people die from heart disease. Guess your one piece of stunning career advice for her is out the window as well since it doesn't live up to your bizarrely stringent moral code. I suppose her only choice now is to adopt the life of an ascetic Puritan shrieking about how they are holier than thou on the internet.

Get a life.

Interesting is it not? If this reasoning is followed by the conclusion you make, why resist it?

How do people interrelate? What are we to each other? How do we measure responsibility? At what cut-off point is there no longer accountability?

If a burger flipper contributes to someone's heart failure at 55, to what extend is he accountable? What about self-determination? Or being an enabler?

I can find a reasonable argument in the fact that a burger flipper contributes or helps to enable a person to exercise an unhealthy diet. You are not helping him by hiding behind his free will.

Someone that builds military hardware in some factory or helps to maintain it is part of the human folly of engaging in warfare against fewllow human beings.

I think people are afraid to conclude what I do. You are scared buddy. Because of this line of reasoning is correct, we can all be held accountable for something, to some degree and we will never be so free as to wash our hands in innocence and disconnect ourselves from others.

Western paradigms are about individuality, individual freedom and responsibility, there are firewalls of accountability between all of us, denying we are all in the world together, connected deeply.

For that reason youc all me an idiot. You want no responsibility for others and have therefor eno qualm about flipping burgers and selling bad food to a really fat guy: it is his own responsibility. You have no issue with someone building or maintaining weaponry, because his responsibility does not stretch out through this military hardware into the result of the function of said hardware.

Neatly we isolate ourselves from others. What we do affects no one, because we have the right to choose. And what we choose hurts others, but we care not, for the accountability is severed. We deny the causality between our own actions in the world and the consequences.

We deny as a species as a whole accountability for the future, destroying our climate and so we can consume any junk we like and be decoupled from the destruction of our climate, because we allow only the division of responsibility: no one is entirely responsible for the climate, the responsibility gets divided to such small fractions that psychologically we are accountable for almost nothing, yet find ourselves consuming dis-proportionally more than would be good balance between that accountability and the measure of our consumption.

I cannot in my right mind uncouple the network between people, the web of life and the invisible connections between us. I can see how most people would agree with you.

Why I am different here I do not know. But I ask myself 'how to be in the world'. And my life is a constant compromise to the needs of the Earth as a living 'Gaia' and my lifestyle, but also a compromise between my personal actions and how they affect others: am I part of their solution or their problem?

I want to do right by people but the cultural gets in the way and the Western paradigm of individual rights means that we all fight for our own rights, not the collective rights. With rights come responsibilities, we sever rights between people by our individualism and therefore also responsibilities.

Your opinion comes out of a deeply ingrained cultural model. Individualism also means decoupling accountability by dividing our life into neat sections, like work, social groups, friends, families. All is divided.

So when you work, what you do will no longer have any bearing on the next guy down the conveyor belt. How the weaponry is used is someone else' decision. You just maintain the F-16 and F-15. You have no responsibility for how it was build, designed, transported, how it is used, flown, what function it has and if people are killed when a pilot releases his firepower.

We are individuals, in an individualized society, with individual responsibilities and accountabilities, forever divided. And the one time we are accountable, like for climate change, we divide it so that the amount of responsibility is so low, we can easily shrug it off, as it is so low, it is the same as nothing.

You dare talk about a moral code? And defend a career choice whereby you maintain utterly deadly military machines, that ARE and WILL BE used in unjustifiable wars?

No man, I believe all we do affects others. There are links between every person, life is a web with tendrils between us all. If you and I are connected, even through this forum and my ideas might affect you. You may tell a friend about this crazy person, and so I will be connected to him, even though the thread is thin.

I could not maintain military hardware, build missiles in some factory, or munitions, or flip burgers and selling them to an overweighted person.

I have a commercial education, with business economics, commercial economics, general economics and commercial forming and have the diploma's to run my own store at middle management levels, but I could never be occupied in this field because I resist the psychological theory based manipulation of people for sales purposes.

I make these moral choices based on 'how to be in the world'. How I live, even think, because thought is the source for action, affects others and society at large and therefore I am affecting all people.

That is why I do not do social media, or have cell phones or use wi-fi, because I would give off the message it is okay to use these things, which I think isn't. (NSA spying, privacy, a human right recognized by the UN charter, that erodes, the Panopticum society etc.)

And that means there are few career options where you do not compromise, but the one where you compromise the most, is probably military hardware maintenance or using it like the pilot. Or giving orders to kill.

Morality? I don't think you have a clue about what that means in the real world.

 

[Variform]

@Variform: I don't hate you, although I do think your attempt at changing my world views is a really harsh. Having someone tell you that your dad is a murder and everything that you believe is lie from a complete stranger is gonna be hard to take, but I understand. Sometimes you gotta learn the hard way about things, that's something that I've grown up learning.

I think you are more mature than could be expected of you, considering my harshness.

In my mind my dad thought he was doing what was right to make money and support a family. Was it the best decision? Probably not. Personally I wished he would have stayed in school to get his doctorate like he wanted to but something came up. I don't know what it was and he won't tell me. I don't think you should be hating my dad or me, I think you should be hating America and its propaganda.

Maybe what came up is you? You have siblings, it could be one of those. Once the stork comes, you gotta get an income. I love storks. I was told my brother put sugar on the window sill to lure the stork.

And I guess thanks for caring even though that a weird way to show it.

Thank you. I will hold my tongue now, though I am fascinated by the whole issue of culture in relation to responsibility and individuality.

 

[Cherry Cola]

If you want to save the world its better to start by realizing that it'll never happen by individuals suddenly gaining intellectual and moral clarity; thereafter, opposing all that is wrong, hence preventing it.

You even say it yourself "as a species", yeah as a species we wont suddenly change and start behaving in a completely different manner because we should. That's idealism wholly and reality none.

Though you do after mentioning species jump back to arguing with yourself as an example as if though the rest of humanity would be able to follow suit.

 

[Flawed_Ravvn]

@Variform- Thank you, your not the only with a short temper

It wasn't me, I came after my dad had been in the military for 5 years, although I was suppose to have an older brother, so I don't know.

Ya, you'll hold your tongue until something else about me pops up that you don't agree with, nice to meet you too, Variform, thanks for the pleasant welcome

 

[Variform]

@Variform- Thank you, your not the only with a short temper

It wasn't me, I came after my dad had been in the military for 5 years, although I was suppose to have an older brother, so I don't know.

lol? You don't know this brother then?

Ya, you'll hold your tongue until something else about me pops up that you don't agree with, nice to meet you too, Variform, thanks for the pleasant welcome

Well, you got 4 pages out of it, more than most people!

 

[Flawed_Ravvn]

@Variform- no, I don't know this brother, according to my dad, my mom had a miscarriage with him. They don't know why, but that's what happened. She didn't do drugs or drink.

OK, I'm calling it, Thanks Guys for the welcomes and very lengthy introduction, if you have any other questions about me, feel free to message me. From there I'll decide if your worth telling.

 

[ENTP lurker]

Sounds like ISTP. Don't worry as complete extroverted sensotard I need S people to attach me into reality.

I know two ISTPs. First one is a lab analyst who she likes my humor and another one sees conspiracies. Be aware of the Ni it can be nasty for the SPs. Both of them have well functioning Fe. I am not close to them but they are not the worst types.

SP types usually score as NPs. Tests support SJs Sness.

 

[Variform]

Digitalbum was way out of line to have the final word like a dick. It's very bad form to take a dominant stance against somebody after they have backed down.

Variform should not have replied at all, let alone with some bullshit Ad Hominem. As tough as that may have been, no face would have been lost by ignoring his (DB's) stupidity.

Nobody is right and everybody is wrong.

I was hoping to make him understand that his insecurity made him lash out in his eager to protect the wrestler girl, who he identifies with projecting his fear and insecurities onto her, in doing so, showing his lack of faith in her to be able to defend herself from me and showing his vulnerabilities.

I meant not to reply in anger, but took the opportunity to teach him wisdom, not so much by my words, as per my self-righteousness: that is where the teaching lives.

A or an . Maybe both.

On a higher tier this connects to wrestler girl and her struggles, on yet another, to america and even higher still, to mankind as a whole.

Never take my comments merely as an ad hominem. I wound merely out of love and compassion. And those who understand find I gave them a tulip.

(Sorry, no Lotus around here.)

 

[digitalbum]

I was hoping to make him understand that his insecurity made him lash out in his eager to protect the wrestler girl, who he identifies with projecting his fear and insecurities onto her, in doing so, showing his lack of faith in her to be able to defend herself from me and showing his vulnerabilities.

I meant not to reply in anger, but took the opportunity to teach him wisdom, not so much by my words, as per my self-righteousness: that is where the teaching lives.

A or an . Maybe both.

On a higher tier this connects to wrestler girl and her struggles, on yet another, to america and even higher still, to mankind as a whole.

Never take my comments merely as an ad hominem. I wound merely out of love and compassion. And those who understand find I gave them a tulip.

(Sorry, no Lotus around here.)

My God, it's like you've known me my whole life! Thank you! I"m healed!

Btw, I woulda stepped in much earlier to "educate" you (especially after you disrespected and questioned her fucking parents' motives as if you knew a damn thing about what it takes to run a military theater), but it became very clear very quickly that this 17 year old girl is more grounded than you, more mature than you, more humble than you, more civil than you, less judgmental than you, less ignorant than you, and could easily handle herself.

 

[digitalbum]

double, sorry.

 

[ENTP lurker]

I think it is easy to spot Se/Ni vs Ne/Si user just by comparing written text.
Se: direction, action based, observing the at the current or imagined moment, some symbolism, power dynamic, works in the system (may cheat) in order to win etc
Ne: what about this, sometimes refers to past in order to pull connections, detached, tries to disassemble the system and build new one or refine it etc.

Wrestler Girl 97 seems to be Se user.

 

[Flawed_Ravvn]

Interesting conclusion about me. It's strange how you can get that from me just by the way I type.

@digitalalbum-thanks for the back up.

@Variform- Thanks for the lesson and your caring nature.

 

[Base groove]

Interesting conclusion about me. It's strange how you can get that from me just by the way I type.

It's not strange, you just don't like it. An NT forum is no place to get defensive about such things.

 

[Spirit]

It's not strange, you just don't like it. An NT forum is no place to get defensive about such things.

I did not read that she did not like it. I think she is just surprised that written text and posting patterns can reveal much about a personality/temperament type.

Also, it is tough to find out you may have tested one way but could actually be something else altogether.

 

[Base groove]

I did not read that she did not like it. I think she is just surprised that written text and posting patterns can reveal much about a personality/temperament type.

Also, it is tough to find out you may have tested one way but could actually be something else altogether.

Saving face......... I get it.

I read that she did not like it, but it's as simple as denying it and moving on and I will be wrong.

"I could be wrong" honestly is a perfect motto for me as I am constantly NiTe.

 

[Spirit]

Saving face......... I get it.

I read that she did not like it, but it's as simple as denying it and moving on and I will be wrong.

"I could be wrong" honestly is a perfect motto for me as I am constantly NiTe.

I operate within the context of the situation and rules are subject to change based on the current "moment". (this pisses most people off) This seems to be a trait of TiSe.

Likely she was literally surprised.

 

[Flawed_Ravvn]

I was surprised. Then again, you guys already know a lot about me to begin with because of what I've told you. In some ways I don't like it, but I can deal with it.

I guess I could be an ISTP, I don't know.

 

[Grayman]

I was hoping to make him understand that his insecurity made him lash out in his eager to protect the wrestler girl, who he identifies with projecting his fear and insecurities onto her, in doing so, showing his lack of faith in her to be able to defend herself from me and showing his vulnerabilities.

He may be projecting but perhaps not his own but an idea of what she is feeling and he sympathizes with it.
His observations of you were not incorrect. Also Wrestler Girl showed an uncommon ability to maintain a cool intelligence in her defence. A rarity and an even greater rarity in someone her age. It is understandable digitalbum thought she might need assistance if only her age were considered and he had little interaction with her as of yet.

 

[Grayman]

I was surprised. Then again, you guys already know a lot about me to begin with because of what I've told you. In some ways I don't like it, but I can deal with it.

I guess I could be an ISTP, I don't know.

They dont know. Base groove has a tendency to spout out types for everyone with little evidence to support his claims. You can consider the evidence they give you but your conclusions must be your own.

 

[Spirit]

They dont know. Base groove has a tendency to spout out types for everyone with little evidence to support his claims. You can consider the evidence they give you but your conclusions must be your own.

BG is going to destroy you.

Reread some of her early posts in this thread.

 

[Flawed_Ravvn]

I like how you guys are talking about me like I'm not even here :P

 

[Deleted member 1424]

I like how you guys are talking about me like I'm not even here :P

I was thinking that must certainly be frustrating for you a few pages ago.

 

[redbaron]

I was thinking that must certainly be frustrating for you a few pages ago.

Yeah it seems like it would be annoying for people to be talking about Wrestler Girl rather than to her.

 

[The Gopher]

Yeah it seems like it would be annoying for people to be talking about Wrestler Girl rather than to her.

Hahahahaha...

Hey Wres!

 

[Flawed_Ravvn]

Like I said, if you have any questions about me you can message me :P

Hey The Gopher

 

[Latte]

I was thinking that must certainly be frustrating for you a few pages ago.

Well, this thread has become too big for any one person to be the center of D:


It's a veritable megalopolis

 

[Flawed_Ravvn]

maybe I should start my introduction over?

 

[Latte]

maybe I should start my introduction over?

But what if it turns into an even bigger thread with even more far-reaching tangents

Knowing INTPForum, it is not farfetched to find it likely we will make it happen.

 

[Flawed_Ravvn]

ya, your probably right about that one. I'm surprised you guys aren't debating about that fact that I'm a female wrestler, I thought for sure that would get you guys, but I guess me being a military brat is far more interesting.

 

[Grayman]

ya, your probably right about that one. I'm surprised you guys aren't debating about that fact that I'm a female wrestler, I thought for sure that would get you guys, but I guess me being a military brat is far more interesting.

Why would anyone deny you are a female wrestler? You have given much evidence and if I still deny it you will just twist my arm.

Seriously though, is there supposed to be some kind of contradiction between "female" and "wrestler" or what?

Maybe your talking about how men like watching woman fighting with a little skin showing when they turn 20 but run from it at 15. Not sure where it changes....

 

[Flawed_Ravvn]

how would I? we are talking over the internet and I'm not very big :P and your right.

 

[Lot]

I'm surprised you guys aren't debating about that fact that I'm a female wrestler.

These pervs aren't debating about that.

But seriously how the fuck did this intro thread get so big?

Lets talk about your wrestling though. Do you find males going easy one you? Do you kick serious ass? Ever get an awkward situation "arise"? Would you wrestle an orangutang? Do you keep your hair short for wrestling? What do you think of MMA? Would you fight Gandhi if you saw him make rude comment about an African? (he was super racist)

 

[Grayman]

But seriously how the fuck did this intro thread get so big?

They are going to have to install a new hard drive on the server to hold it. It is only going to get worse now that you brought Gandhi and racism into it. Contradiction is INTP porn.

 

[Variform]

I was surprised. Then again, you guys already know a lot about me to begin with because of what I've told you. In some ways I don't like it, but I can deal with it.

I guess I could be an ISTP, I don't know.

You should keep doing these different tests that you can find on this site. Well, the links to them. (I tire myself being so precise in my wording :-) )

I did them all I think. Several times. We have blind spots you know. Sometimes you have a question and go like 'hmmm, do I think like that?' On another day it seems impossible, on another, of course I think like that.

With me it is pretty persistent. So my advice, do all tests, do them several times, on different days, school days, weekends, before and after sports. Add them up and divide by the number :-)

There is loads of people who flip between INTP and INTJ. I scored INTJ a few times. But it all comes down to a few questions where you sometimes think this and the other day you doubt and its that. These are borderline questions and also the main criticism associated with this MBTI thing.

I think that on some days we correlate to the world slightly different and so that affects the test results. No big deal. It should not be a prison, right?

 

[Polaris]

Derail moved here: http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=19777

 

[Minuend]

It's not strange, you just don't like it. An NT forum is no place to get defensive about such things.

9/10 ppl here get defensive about 9/10 topics and if you argue their type you're in for a 10 page rant.

this bitch is judging you -----> :}

he also have a oedipus complex and spends his weekends with his questionable friend steve who has suspisciously gaunted eyes




I forgot to say hi to wrestler girl, which I shall from this moment forth refer to as wrestler because girl gives me weird associations to pink, bubbles and self-rightousness.

No offense to bubbles

 

[Flawed_Ravvn]

@Lot- Due to my size, I don't really wrestle guys very often. Some will go easy, some won't, it all depends on the guy. Personally, I wish they didn't go easy on me.

Awkward situations? That could be a whole other thread to be honest. I've had girls and guys grab my ass, chest, everything. And, yes, I have gotten into a situation where a guys balls are right next to my face. I think the nasty thing ever is when their rubbing on my back or somehow on my arm .

Kick serious ass? Ummmmmm.......depends on how you look at it really. Have I beaten some State Placers and State Wrestlers? Yes. Have I been to State? No, my left shoulder gave out again a week before State happened, but I did go to the tournament to support some teammates. Can I do some pretty cool moves? Ya, I like to flip, roll, and slam them, depending on the person and how much they piss me off .

My hair? Nope, it's actually pretty long right now. What happens it that we wear what's called a hair net over the head gear and that helps a lot.

In the off season, I actually train with a couple of MMA fighters, so Yes, I love MMA. Although, my favorite fighter broke his leg, I think back in February.

Gandhi? Probably not, if someone is coward enough to say something mean about someone over the internet and not to their face, then their not worth a decent fight. In my mind, he would probably run and hide.

@Variform- Thanks, I will certainly try some of those websites. When I get some free time that is lol!

@Minuend- I like how you call me a bitch BEFORE you say hi to me. Oh and by the way, I hate the color pink and bubbles. And, wrestler girl I like better

 

[Base groove]

They dont know. Base groove has a tendency to spout out types for everyone with little evidence to support his claims. You can consider the evidence they give you but your conclusions must be your own.

You are wrong and have portrayed me in a less than favorable light without getting your facts together. I have typed nobody in this thread.

 

[Spirit]

You are wrong and have portrayed me in a less than favorable light without getting your facts together. I have typed nobody in this thread.

Perhaps destroy was a little strong on my part.

 

[digitalbum]

Perhaps destroy was a little strong on my part.

Lol.

 

[Base groove]

Perhaps destroy was a little strong on my part.

Solemn, but thanks for the vote of confidence. I didn't want anything to flare up, just to make sure I got a word in.