My Little Pony Friendship is Magic

[Triginta Septem]

Twilight Sparkle is most certainly not an INTP. After just a few minutes of the first episode I strongly suspected she was an IxTJ (Intuitive most likely given her propensity in magic), and further episodes only served to prove this more and more. How could you ever think she is a perceiving type after Lesson Zero?

Well, first of all, Lesson Zero was out-of-character (and under extreme stress, that is actually expected to happen I believe), but I see your point. I still believe she is an INTP, however. Look here: "INTPs ... see everything in terms of how it could be improved" Very twilight. She always looks for problems to solve. They "live primarily inside their own minds, having the ability to analyze difficult problems, identify patterns, and come up with logical explanations." Twi try's to find a logical explanation for everything (Pinkie Pie...). "They ... live much of their lives within their own heads, and may not place as much importance or value on the external world." Before meeting the other 5, this would describe her whole existence perfectly... "The INTP is likely to be very shy when it comes to meeting new people. On the other hand, the INTP is very self-confident and gregarious around people they know well, or when discussing theories which they fully understand." Again, sounds a lot like her. I see some things that don't quite match her, too, but try finding a description of an INTP that perfectly matches you!

The thing is, she is Introverted, obviously, Intuitive, probably, and Thinking, and either P or J, which actually makes sense. I've met a lot of INTPs who could be either, and/or are not sure which they are, but most turned out to be INTP in the test.

 

[Lot]

I could see Twilight being an INTJ. I have trouble seeing her as a P type, after she made that giant list and triple checked it. She has too strong a desire to be organized for me to see her being an INTP. All the INTP's I personally know don't have that strong of a drive for order as she does. This list seems to think she's an INTP though. http://cartoonoveranalyzations.com/2011/05/23/the-myers-briggs-type-indicator-for-ponies/

 

[Triginta Septem]

I could see Twilight being an INTJ. I have trouble seeing her as a P type, after she made that giant list and triple checked it. She has too strong a desire to be organized for me to see her being an INTP. All the INTP's I personally know don't have that strong of a drive for order as she does. This list seems to think she's an INTP though. http://cartoonoveranalyzations.com/2011/05/23/the-myers-briggs-type-indicator-for-ponies/

Huh, that's interesting. I don't thing Pinkie Pie would be an ENFP, though... Anyhoof, I know a few websites that have described us as organised, and I am to some degree... Based of my INTJ friends, I would have to say she's a lot farther from that than INTP.

 

[Lot]

Huh, that's interesting. I don't thing Pinkie Pie would be an ENFP, though... Anyhoof, I know a few websites that have described us as organised, and I am to some degree... Based of my INTJ friends, I would have to say she's a lot farther from that than INTP.

I guess I just don't relate with her on that deep personal level. Although she is the most relatable character for me. My INTJ friends and brother don't like my less structured approach to life. Maybe I just a too much P-ness.

I always thought of Pinkie as more of an S, but I can see where they are coming from. In all reality these are fictional characters, and can be very difficult to type.

 

[nexion]

Well, first of all, Lesson Zero was out-of-character (and under extreme stress, that is actually expected to happen I believe), but I see your point.

It actually has nothing to do with the stress itself, but the reason why she is stressed. Being late for a deadline that, quite honestly, wasn't even officially set, and didn't really matter? I'm not sure about you, but there is some definite J shit going on there.

Just looking through the episode list, I can see more reasons why she is a J type:

Spoiler

• Look Before You Sleep - Tries to hold a slumber party according to the very clearly defined principles of a book.
• Winter Wrap Up - Wants to help the way everypony else does, more a strike against INTP than one for INTJ (though honestly may not be at all relevant)
• Feeling Pinkie Keen - There's something about this which yells it at me... but nothing I can really pinpoint. Maybe it's her insistence on the "fact" that there is a rational cause (even if that belief is, you know, perfectly rational). There is a big difference between testing to determine whether a hypothesis is true or false and testing to prove you are correct. One thing I have noticed about J's is that they tend to think they know something is absolutely "true" even if they have no reason to believe that is necessarily true.

Hm, perhaps not as comprehensive as I would have liked, but these are just specific examples off the top of my head.

I still believe she is an INTP, however. Look here: "INTPs ... see everything in terms of how it could be improved" Very twilight. She always looks for problems to solve. They "live primarily inside their own minds, having the ability to analyze difficult problems, identify patterns, and come up with logical explanations." Twi try's to find a logical explanation for everything (Pinkie Pie...). "They ... live much of their lives within their own heads, and may not place as much importance or value on the external world." Before meeting the other 5, this would describe her whole existence perfectly... "The INTP is likely to be very shy when it comes to meeting new people. On the other hand, the INTP is very self-confident and gregarious around people they know well, or when discussing theories which they fully understand." Again, sounds a lot like her. I see some things that don't quite match her, too, but try finding a description of an INTP that perfectly matches you!

This is very understandable, and I do have to say that a lot of these things describe her. But here is my question: Even though INTJ and INTP share no functions, they do share three letters which are supposed to represent certain traits. So, how much overlap do you suppose there would be between INTP and INTJ? Judging by the fact that there are frequently people who have no idea whether they are INTJ or INTP and having read many type descriptions of both, I'd say quite a lot. So really, you should read both INTP and INTJ profiles and see which matches more. Most of the things you quoted can be applied to NT's or introverts in general. For me, typing is more a matter of merging type descriptions and traits into a gestalt within my mind and using this to type others. The stereotypes and specific examples really don't matter that much, what matters is the picture as a whole. At least, that's how I see it.

I could see Twilight being an INTJ. I have trouble seeing her as a P type, after she made that giant list and triple checked it. She has too strong a desire to be organized for me to see her being an INTP. All the INTP's I personally know don't have that strong of a drive for order as she does. This list seems to think she's an INTP though. http://cartoonoveranalyzations.com/2011/05/23/the-myers-briggs-type-indicator-for-ponies/

Hm... I'm not sure about this chart at all.

Really, though, my thoughts concerning typology have been irrevocably altered by Socionical and Jungian thought, So I'm not nearly as good at MBTI as I used to be. I can say that Twilight Sparkle is definitely a Socionics LII though (and again, I think INTJ in MBTI as well) and Pinkie Pie is most likely ESE. Not sure about MBTI, though, it screwed up all the definitions and functions and everything so she actually might be an ExFP.

 

[Mello]

Twilight Sparkle is most certainly not an INTP. After just a few minutes of the first episode I strongly suspected she was an IxTJ (Intuitive most likely given her propensity in magic), and further episodes only served to prove this more and more. How could you ever think she is a perceiving type after Lesson Zero?



Alright then, but it all depends on how you look at it. Really, it seems that I was destined to have a perpetually pessimistic and dark personality, though there still appears to be some light shining through. Good and bad in everything, I suppose.


NJ > SJ, but SJ is also a possibility.

But really, are people still relying on such stereotypes as "duty-minded" and "follows the rules" to indicate an SJ? No wonder why I stopped bothering with MBTI.

I was kidding in my post.

Ponies are okay.

 

[Triginta Septem]

In all reality these are fictional characters, and can be very difficult to type.

True, but Lauren Faust and the writers have been pretty good at creating these characters, and they are very real personalities. Maybe we could have one of them take the test as Twilight? ^^

 

[nexion]

I recently read a post on another forum by someone claiming to be a professional counsellor, he said he sees a lot of mid to late teenagers, as well as some older people, who are claiming to watch the show and are learning these things from it. He said he believes that it is very good that they are learning about these things, but he also finds it very distressing that they need to learn these things, as they are lessons that should be learnt by everyone -regardless of personality- as children.

Sure, but that make it necessarily bad? I mean, even if they are learning these things through a show designed for small children, at least they are learning it at all, even if it's quite a few late. I think it's more a mark of bad parenting/upbringing than a mark of a defective individual (which is what it seems you are saying, though meaning is so often lost in transit and much more so in interpretation).

As for me... I'll try to be as honest as possible, but the truth is that I'm not really sure why I like the show. The moral lessons are nice, though as Teohrn said, not unique, and certainly I have heard these things for all of my life from many sources, but it's nice to be reminded every now and again.

Sure, I could rattle off my subjective perceptions of the technical aspects: Great music, voice acting, animation, characters that seem real (THEY REALLY DO), etc, and although all these things are true, they don't really get into the heart of it. So here it is:

Really, it seems that I was destined to have a perpetually pessimistic and dark personality

For me, the show is really about translating negative energies into more positive ones. I tend to focus on the negative aspects of what may be considered "reality" but just as I was realizing this and also the fact that a lot of positives exist as well I found this show and it really did help to bring into my life a balance of the positive and negative. That might be considered a form of escape but from my perspective that doesn't really matter. Worldview is really all about what information one pays attention to so for me it's a nice change. I really doubt this will make much sense to those who do not have a similar perspective to mine (within the last year my perspective has become rather... refined) but it is nonetheless my reason. Or, in a more direct, perhaps less INTP fashion that may make most of you cringe (quoted from elsewhere):

"The positive vibes and lack of cynicism bring a little light into a dark world for me, and allow me to keep a part of the innocence of childhood close at heart."

THERE, I'VE DONE IT.

True, but Lauren Faust and the writers have been pretty good at creating these characters, and they are very real personalities. Maybe we could have one of them take the test as Twilight? ^^

Haha, yes. Tara Strong does the voice acting for Twilight Sparkle and she really gets into all her characters, she could probably get an accurate result for sure.

 

[Lot]

I read through the entire thread on PersonalityCafe about this show. It seems like a pretty big split between INTJ and ISTJ, with a few outliers saying INTP. There was also a lot of debate on Fluttershy being ISFP, ISFJ, INFP. I'm having trouble making a choice, but I'm more leaning between ISFJ and INFP.

 

[Triginta Septem]

I haven't really read that much about those types, but going just of the letters I would say she's ISFP or ISFJ.

 

[TriflinThomas]

I think Fluttershy is an INFP, Pinkie is and ExFP, Twilight is an INTJ (doesn't see the use in making friends, organized, can be the leader if she has to)

 

[ObliviousGenius]

It's possible I do. However, they share some traits: a sense of belonging with a community and a sense of guidance. The difference is that these traits are much more minuscule on one side.

Anyway, my point was that people that take certain choices and become devout parts of communities are prone to reason that they take those choices because it helps them, etc., f.e. you point out to a "bizarre regression to infancy" among adults, which I agree on. In line with that, people often take weird religious and spiritual choices, like becoming a member of the church of Scientology, and when they are attacked for it they reason that it helps them.

But why does exactly this cartoon help them? Is it unique in its learnings? Does it have powerful insights that only they have? I don't believe so. You can pretty much find those same morals, learnings, whatnot, etc. everywhere, not in cartoons only; everywhere. It is oriented towards children, however. This is also where the "bizarre regression to infancy" comes in. It probably has more to do with just that than that it helps them develop personally. (Actually, the lessons taught seem to be rather shallow, naive and idealistic; if you're above a certain age. I doubt there are lessons to be taught for a grown up mind.) It is the defense itself, not wanting to admit the real cause behind it, that it's flawed, therefore reasoning that it helps. That is what I want to get to.

It's not the same, but it's similar. I only think that when groupings are criticized, they often come with very similar arguments, that it helps them, that "you" can't understand, rather than admitting that it's flawed and that the lack of an understanding of "why?" from the outsiders is sensible.

I don't think they want to admit that they just like the show. They want to defend that fact by giving objective reasons for watching it. In this case with the OP (before being merged) he just wants to obsess over MLP with other people who like the show. I do it all the time with sports (although not to this extent) and some other things I have a big interest in. The difference in our interests is that mine does not stagnate my development as a human being, which is the biggest "flaw" when it comes to this show.

I don't think being a "Brony" is worth gaining the imaginary Fe development. There are better natural alternatives that don't come with such negativity from the public.

 

[Puffy]

I don't really understand why you have to be a part of the subculture (brony) to like the show, or why you have to be associated with it if you do (can't you just like it?).

I watched the first episode. It's strange, I was expecting the 'Spongebob' / 'Ren & Stimpy' kind of writing, where it's obviously for younger audiences but also contains lots of jokes aimed at adults. It definitely felt like a kid's show, I guess I also understand where people are coming from saying they learn from its moral lessons, but personally they felt a little cliche'd; and a little like what Nil was saying it's a very positive, cute world - I'm not sure how transferable any lessons from it really are, it seems more like an escape. Which is fine.

I remember watching My Little Pony when I was a kid and this was a definite improvement though, so it gets a thumbs up from me, either way.

 

[Lot]

I was wondering if anyone on here know of any good MLP forums. I'm interested in learning more about the community from the community.