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Music, Memory, and the INTP

Nezumi

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So, pardon any ramble like bits. This is a relatively fresh group of thoughts and it will be my first time trying to explain.....in words.

So, if any of you have read this http://www.intp.org/intprofile.html
There is a part they talk about that I have always experienced when it come to music.

"Another area of interest common to INTPs, where Si has a strong influence, is Music. INTPs are usually fascinated by music and may have deep and wide-ranging tastes. Indeed, each of their three main functions (Ti, Ne, Si) plays a role in the enjoyment of music, and indeed music is a key interest for bringing out the feeling shadow of the INTP. Si itself brings a fascination for mood and atmosphere in music as well as for a strong sense of personal nostalgia. INTPs are therefore often keen on melancolic minor-key music in which an introspective and/or esoteric mood is conveyed. Equally, INTPs enjoy hearing music that they heard and enjoyed when younger (provided they can still appreciate it now) and yearn for the sense of nostalgia that it yields. INTPs are also drawn to complexly structured music, thanks to their Ti core. An appreciation of modern classical music, as well as perhaps contemporary jazz, is therefore common with them. Such music types are usually too complex to be understood after a single hearing, which hence provides excellent material for analysis, exciting the INTP no end. Once the basic developmental structure of the music has been assessed, Ne provides the impetus to derive a general meaning of the piece. What does the composer wish to convey, for example? Why was that particular development chosen? Indeed, the Ne is usually hard at work during listening sessions, trying to grasp the meanings behind the often fascinating combinations of sound-world evocations, structural developments and nostalgic impressions."

So I have always connected songs from my past to memories. When I listen to one on the radio, every memory that has been connected to that song comes back and I get to re-enjoy parts of my childhood. These memories are vivid and strong. I can recall everything, my feelings at the time, where I was, even sensory information like how the sun felt or the smells in the air. And I'm normally terrible at remembering sensory stuff. I've explained this to my friends and no one seems to have this same overwhelming nostalgia that I experience.

So my thought was, if music can tie in so strongly to my memory....could I use music to remember other things. Like history or math homework? It would be cool to be able to play Bach on my Ipod, remember what I studied, and pass a history test for once.

Anyone else have experiences like this?
Or have tried it?
 

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I tested your theory regarding nostalgia on myself by flying a jet fighter in Battlefield 3 while playing, "Gravity Hurts," by Cryoshell, a song that I identify with my childhood love of Bionicle. When I swept over the battlefield at four hundred miles an hour, afterburners roaring, music playing through my ears, I felt like all the old heroes of my youth were beside me as I battled for the sky and rained death from above. The song was especially effective given that its central theme is a battle in the air and the existential angst of the heroes (a struggle that I share). Here's the song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WUxU5oLI68

Thanks for that, Nezumi. I mean it. I feel like I connected with my past.

As for music in general, I use it to amplify my mood or reminisce. Otherwise, I don't listen to much of it and don't see any value in trying to pick apart what an artist is singing about: if he wants to send a message, then he should have been a philosopher.

-Duxwing
 

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sort of related (i wrote this in an audiophile forum discussing the first time)...

This was my experience with the introduction to the world of audiophilia...

Never before had I ever really looked or researched audio equipment. For me, the standard for hearing things was always just whatever I was hearing through traditional, low end electronics. Sure I had attended concerts and loud stages before but it wasnt ever anything quite like the first time I put on some high end cans, high end file quality, and power to dish it out. In fact, I didn't even know those things played a factor at all. To me, sound was just sound...

Then came my interest in music...perhaps it was happenstance, maybe even a bit of luck...but the timing was most definitely right. Been a long time fan of trance, and electronica...and sadly I never really knew just how much more visceral the experience could get with a simply adjustment to one's equipment...I dont want to bring drugs into the discussion to violate rules or anything, so Ill just say theres a certain one out there that seems to (in my experience) enhance the audio. In retrospect its almost like the combination of the two act as some imprint on the brain, which would make sense seeing how tones and frequencies can trigger reactions...but anyways i digress...

I happened to do a little bit of research, keep in mind I was (and STILL AM) a noob with audio products, but I ended up going with the Sennheisers, found a decent starter set of cans and picked up the HD558's at a reasonable price (sale was like 130 dollars)...took em home I remember how excited I was, but hesitant to expect anything great...I mean, how could sound be better than sound right? I was sooo wrong, and it was awesome to be in this case. I popped them open set up my rig, and got my music rollin'...and I was blown away. It was a memorable experience, for a variety of reasons, but simply the audio the noise...it just penetrated my soul...its hard to explain really...but god damn.

I remember feeling like, "this is what Ive been missing?!" it seemed to open up noises I'd never heard before, sounds and beats, rythym it all sort of flowed through me with the sennys. And it was from that day one, nothing ever really sounded the same. Sort of cliche, whatever...but it was truly like awakening in a world of color after years of black and white...just strange and euphoric.

Flash forwards to the present, and I now cringe everytime I have to listen to things through inferior audio products. It makes me laugh when I hear my friends talkin about their turtle beaches, their dre beats, their pieces of ****...hehehe...Thats my story I guess.

To touch on it, I feel like theres some sort of universal HUMAN (not mbti specific) connection with music, mind, rythym, memory, emotion inducing tones, etc. This can be heightened through certain chemicals.
 

Nezumi

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I tested your theory regarding nostalgia on myself by flying a jet fighter in Battlefield 3 while playing, "Gravity Hurts," by Cryoshell, a song that I identify with my childhood love of Bionicle. When I swept over the battlefield at four hundred miles an hour, afterburners roaring, music playing through my ears, I felt like all the old heroes of my youth were beside me as I battled for the sky and rained death from above. The song was especially effective given that its central theme is a battle in the air and the existential angst of the heroes (a struggle that I share). Here's the song:


Thanks for that, Nezumi. I mean it. I feel like I connected with my past.

As for music in general, I use it to amplify my mood or reminisce. Otherwise, I don't listen to much of it and don't see any value in trying to pick apart what an artist is singing about: if he wants to send a message, then he should have been a philosopher.

-Duxwing

Aww. You are welcome! Always glad to help. I agree with the amplifying the mood. But I can't listen to music to change my mood. like playing a happy song when I'm sad, or a love song when I'm contemplative. It feels disharmonious and it makes me irritable.
 

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Aww. You are welcome! Always glad to help. I agree with the amplifying the mood. But I can't listen to music to change my mood. like playing a happy song when I'm sad, or a love song when I'm contemplative. It feels disharmonious and it makes me irritable.

Perhaps we INTP's guard our Fe so carefully that music can't move us unless we allow it to do so. I, as an INTP, certainly don't want the tunes playing through my car radio, for example, to put me on an emotional roller-coaster: I'd be sick to my stomach.

Our discontents aside, did you listen to the song that I posted? If so, what did you think of it?

-Duxwing
 

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Yes I definitely get memories of what I did when hearing that song and often get transported to the time and place and often re-experience the feelings I had when listening to the song before.

I also can't listen to music that is 'wrong' for my mood. I sometimes have to listen to music to help get strong emotions to release. I can gradually improve my mood by listening to music with a strong uplifting beat, but only certain ones!
 

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I'm an immensely nostalgic INTP. Interesting question, does anyone ever feel nostalgia for things they don't actually miss? Like, just the music you listened to, the people you hung out with, the way your room was decorated? And do you ever feel like that was a different person from yourself experiencing it? Like...that was just a suit you used to wear?
 

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I'm an immensely nostalgic INTP. Interesting question, does anyone ever feel nostalgia for things they don't actually miss? Like, just the music you listened to, the people you hung out with, the way your room was decorated? And do you ever feel like that was a different person from yourself experiencing it? Like...that was just a suit you used to wear?

perhaps you feel like "someone that you used to know".
 

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I can sometimes listen to the same song over and over and over again. I frequently have the same album on repeat in the car and listen to it for weeks. Meanwhile, some songs I can't stand to listen to, or like to hear just once on occasion or when the mood takes me.
 

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I can sometimes listen to the same song over and over and over again. I frequently have the same album on repeat in the car and listen to it for weeks. Meanwhile, some songs I can't stand to listen to, or like to hear just once on occasion or when the mood takes me.

I do this constantly. It drives my husband crazy. For me, it's actually math. I don't listen to it the same way one commonly listens to song.

Edit: As to the OP- yes, sometimes I feel that sort of nostalgia. Tends to be just on a few songs only tho. Then I have have the 'why do I feel this way?' moment.
 

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INTPs enjoy hearing music that they heard and enjoyed when younger (provided they can still appreciate it now) and yearn for the sense of nostalgia that it yields.

I would agree with this. For a long time this was true for me. I wanted to continuously stay / go back to an era of music from when I first got into music. It was a lot of alternative rock from the 90's particularly a sound that happened between 96-99. After about a decade and half now, that style finally feels dated and I'd rather move onto new things. (it wasn't the only genre I listened to all that time, but it was always consistently there in the myriad of things I listen to)

I'm an immensely nostalgic INTP. Interesting question, does anyone ever feel nostalgia for things they don't actually miss? Like, just the music you listened to, the people you hung out with, the way your room was decorated? And do you ever feel like that was a different person from yourself experiencing it? Like...that was just a suit you used to wear?

Not exactly... but I have felt nostalgia for stuff that never happened to me. Sometimes I hear songs that remind me of ... a dream... or another dimension or another life or something. I miss it, wanna go back but it never happened to me. Certain dreamy songs by the Deftones and especially Eisley make me feel this way. Certain Eisley songs make me feel like I had a childhood in some alternate reality that I miss.
 

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This is one of the reasons I enjoy music so much. Nothing better than throwing it on shuffle and jumping from one moment of my life to another.
 

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I can sometimes listen to the same song over and over and over again. I frequently have the same album on repeat in the car and listen to it for weeks. Meanwhile, some songs I can't stand to listen to, or like to hear just once on occasion or when the mood takes me.

Yes! Actually the songs that I get 'hooked' on are exclusively funk/jazz tracks. I think it's because it's directly related to what I love to play when I jam (I play drums). Getting deep in the pocket and getting totally lost in the groove. I think a lot of this is Ti, when I listen to funk/jazz tracks, I predict ghost notes and find that I drum out parts to the song that I've never heard before with complete rhythmic precision. When I play with other musicians and hit that, 'locked in' feeling, I sometimes get the same from a certain track. That's when I end up listening to it again and again.

For albums it's a little broader, I listened to the, 'Blast Tyrant' album by Clutch for about three months in the car. Didn't even realise until one of my friends actually pointed out, 'oh this is that awesome CD you had on last time' (last time he was in my car was three months earlier).

Anyway this has been the soundtrack to my life for the past 72hours:

 

joal0503

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i AGREE with teh sentiment...I just have a hard time trying to figure out how

enjoy hearing music that they heard and enjoyed when younger (provided they can still appreciate it now) and yearn for the sense of nostalgia that it yields.

is an exclusive (or more frequent occurence) within the INTP population ..I mean, theres tons of folks who enjoy music.

What I was trying to get at earlier...is the HUMAN connection between pitches, tones, noises that induce emotion or attachment. Lookin around at teh cultural links to music around the globe, it just seems that most people are able to identify with music.
 
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