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The first cause argument is that God exists because he was the first mover.

right, so which very specific god do you think this is "evidence" of ?

All things that move come from a single source I think.

All motion came from the first thing that moved.

As I am an idealist, I think that all motion is aware in some way.

I think that all things are connected, all things can interact because all things are of the same substance 'Mind'.

I believe that 'Mind' works from the 'source' to bring about outcomes it desires because it 'feels' some outcomes to be better than others outcomes.

'God' wants the best outcome so it made things to move in the way they do from the beginning.

Simply things move to become the best God wants them to become.
 

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All things that move come from a single source I think.

sure,

but when you say "god"

what does this mean in a practical sense

is there maybe some book perhaps we should follow ?
 

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All things that move come from a single source I think.

sure,

but when you say "god"

what does this mean in a practical sense

is there maybe some book perhaps we should follow ?

I believe God is aware of all that exists.

That means God is aware of me also.

So if God exists and is aware then to create the best outcome he will tell me what to do in very subtle ways because otherwise if I am against him then this makes things difficult for life in general and makes God and others unhappy and feel bad.

Following God is part of making things better, so "he" will help me if that is best.
 

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I believe God is aware of all that exists.

it sounds like you're talking about spinoza's god

which is undeniable

but also

totally pointless

because spinoza's god doesn't have a rule book - or priests
 

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I believe God is aware of all that exists.

it sounds like you're talking about spinoza's god

which is undeniable

but also

totally pointless

because spinoza's god doesn't have a rule book - or priests

I believe in being a good person.

Sometimes I read the bible to find answers to that.
 

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Sometimes I read the bible to find answers to that.

there are certainly a lot of good books to read

but i'm not sure the "prime mover" argument swings in favor of one over another
 

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I saw a statue of the Hindu god of motion. It was pretty badass.
 

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Sometimes I read the bible to find answers to that.

there are certainly a lot of good books to read

but i'm not sure the "prime mover" argument swings in favor of one over another

A third of the earth's population is currently influenced by Jesus (Joshua/Yeshua).

Maybe this was to shape things to be a certain way?

Science and alchemy were / had Christian orientations to begin and developed into modern technology, modern technology has a purpose to God maybe?
 

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To me God is not the answer, but rather God is (mystery).
I consider it a type of idolatry to fashion God in our image.
 

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To me God is not the answer, but rather God is (mystery).
I consider it a type of idolatry to fashion God in our image.

I don't know what you mean by any of that.

You just don't want to understand and just give up.
 

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Science and alchemy were / had Christian orientations

i'm not sure about that

The origins of science and mathematics are not exclusively Christian. They have roots in various ancient civilizations, including Mesopotamia, Egypt, Greece, and India. These disciplines have evolved and developed over centuries through contributions from diverse cultures and civilizations.
 

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I saw a statue of the Hindu god of motion. It was pretty badass.

As I recall, motion has always existed in Hinduism where whereas in Christianity it has a beginning.

Science and alchemy were / had Christian orientations

i'm not sure about that

The origins of science and mathematics are not exclusively Christian. They have roots in various ancient civilizations, including Mesopotamia, Egypt, Greece, and India. These disciplines have evolved and developed over centuries through contributions from diverse cultures and civilizations.

Under a majority Christian-led system of beliefs modern science developed in Europe.

Other contributions exist but what Christianity brought was the notion of "progress".

If the universe has a purpose then we should try and understand it such that we will help bring about God's kingdom. Progress means no suffering and man finally is happy.

To me God is not the answer, but rather God is (mystery).


Mysterium is about being One with God.

Christian mysterium is about knowing what it means to be in Christ meaning what it means to be Love. As God and Love are the same and Jesus became one with The Father we too can be one as we have Christ in us.

It is the pure nature of Christ that allows him to be beyond death as God's Love.

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From the properties of an abstract god, people can indeed believe in many philosophies where nothing exists and emptiness is all that is.

In the Christian tradition, people open up to a person who dwells in them as a pure spirit that is the essence of love.

Love is inside you and it is a person and it knows you and you know it because both you and it are aware of each other.

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Love is inside you and it is a person and it knows you and you know it because both you and it are aware of each other.

of course

but that has absolutely

nothing

to do with YHWH
 

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humans have been experiencing love for hundreds of thousands of years before abraham cobbled some local legends together and invented the concept of YHWH


Abraham was born in Ur, which is present-day Iraq.
 

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what is that concept?

Yahweh, name for the God of the Israelites, representing the biblical pronunciation of “YHWH,”

It means breath of life.

In out in out (Air)

If it breathes then it can have a spirit.

And anything with a spirit can be touched.

Touch is the basis of love. Any infant must breathe be touched and be fed.

Breathe is God touching every creature with its love.

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The higher plane of existence may be where God is.

I believe that some have touched it.

Plato's Parable of the MMORPG,

Once upon a time there were a number of people who lived in complete darkness and the only thing they could see was their computer screens.

What they saw on their screens was their reality.

The only other people they knew were people in-game with magnificent costumes and weapons.

Sure they had to fumble in the darkness in order to microwave a quick meal, or find their bed when they were exhausted, but those were merely incidental inconveniences.

Only the game was real. Only the game was shared experience. Only in-game places and people and items were quantifiable, able to be observed and verified and shared with other players (quanta).

Sometimes an individual would try to explain what kind of food they ate or describe their room (private/personal/unshared knowledge, gnosis) but since none of this information was directly relevant in-game and was fundamentally unverifiable, it was dismissed out-of-hand as unintelligible nonsense. In fact, even the language they had developed had evolved exclusively for in-game interactions, so there really weren't any proper words for "food" or "room" that were not specifically in-game references, and even more than that, since there was no taste, touch, or smell in-game, there were also no words to properly describe those sensations as well.
 
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