Morality and stereotypes and INTP

[GYX_Kid]

I always find myself "chaotic neutral." I've occasionally found or felt reason to sway more towards one of the following, associated with:


ENTP- value whatever's entertaining or engaging

ISTP- don't fuck with anyone until they've made themself "bad" first

INFP- "good" versus "evil" in principle

INTJ- utilitarian strategist, potentially fueled by ego or envy


Sometimes these categorized ballpark tendencies can be compatible with each other, but sometimes it's more like you have to pick one depending on the situation. You could just choose the "true neutral" way, but that seems often too negating to be fruitful.

If this post makes any sense, throw things at it I guess.

 

[BridgeOfSighs]

I don't think this makes much sense -- to me at least.

Are you asking if INTPs fit into one of these categories?
Or if these are relatively true per type?

I would think that you had to choose one of these. They all seem fairly different.

 

[Pyropyro]

I think it's not fair to gauge one's morality using your personality type alone. I happen to know self-less INTJ's and ENTP's that could engage in deep thought.

 

[GYX_Kid]

I don't think this makes much sense -- to me at least.

Are you asking if INTPs fit into one of these categories?
Or if these are relatively true per type?

I would think that you had to choose one of these. They all seem fairly different.

I've noticed I and a lot of other INTPs having the tendency to remain neutral towards countless matters, for different reasons. The "chaotic" part of it comes in, when there's a draw to "be" a way that could possibly be compatible with [INTP]'s overall character but not quite within the daily habit of mindset.

A drive to fill an effective blankness by default, to be poetic.

I think it's not fair to gauge one's morality using your personality type alone. I happen to know self-less INTJ's and ENTP's that could engage in deep thought.

Right, it's not that everyone of these types would have the "corresponding" characteristic. It's just different "alignment" tendencies that I've felt drawn to embody before (which seem to be contrasting character traits and even personal styles/life views, associated with multiple personalities and not possible all in one.)

If they are all possible in one, then I could think of it like elements to master and use sparingly, or something

 

[Pyropyro]

I can't vouch for the evil/good alignment justifications but I do see an order/chaos alignment one.

I think more Sx influenced individuals should lean more on rules while Nx ones (especially us INTP's) lean more on possibilities.

 

[Cognisant]

Considering INTPs like to subvert everything.

INTP - Chaotic Neutral

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Considering INTPs like to subvert everything.

INTP - Chaotic Neutral

Nah.

ISTP and INFP maybe, but not INTP.

 

[Pyropyro]

Nah.

ISTP and INFP maybe, but not INTP.

INTP's are more of a True Neutral type, a wizard locked in his tower
INFP's are more of a Chaotic Neutral type, a fun-loving bard busking in the plaza
ISTP's are more of a Lawful Neutral type, probably a fighter in the outskirts of town

 

[crippli]

It's the degree of neutrality in the neutral group. Say from 1-10. How far you take it. Most are not very neutral. I don't consider selfishness neutrality.

Quickly I would rate ability like this;

ISTP - 1

INTP - 3

INFP - 7

I was undecided if I should put ISTP and INTP at the same rating. I considered S preference to take in less 'big picture' information, under doubt. I consider F to be more aware of own lusts and wants, and so more able to put them aside.

 

[Beholder]

INTP's are more of a True Neutral type, a wizard locked in his tower
INFP's are more of a Chaotic Neutral type, a fun-loving bard busking in the plaza
ISTP's are more of a Lawful Neutral type, probably a fighter in the outskirts of town

All the INFP's I know are highly idealists, I would say INFP's are Chaotic Good (chaotic because of P)
ENTP's are the ultimate Chaotic Neutral type.

This is an awesome idea for a thread - MBTI meets D&D.

ISTJ - Paladin
ESTJ - Cleric
INTP - Sorcerer
INTJ - Wizard
ISTP - Ranger
ESFJ - Barbarian?

 

[WhatTheFunction]

Not this is any valid information to this but I always test Chaotic Neutral first and True Neutral second. Quite interesting.

 

[Reluctantly]

Nah.

ISTP and INFP maybe, but not INTP.

Not that it really matters because DND alignment is a very ambiguous generalization of people, but there's a thread where most INTPs got chaotic Neutral with Neutral Neutral a close second, I think. I'll try to look for the thread. It seems to be gone...I'm sure I read it one day though...

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Not that it really matters because DND alignment is a very ambiguous generalization of people, but there's a thread where most INTPs got chaotic Neutral with Neutral Neutral a close second, I think. I'll try to look for the thread. It seems to be gone...I'm sure I read it one day though...

If it didn't really matter then what made you bring it up?

Sure, ok. I do agree the alignments are vague, and I'm going off my own refined/distorted understandings of them.

To put it short, Chaotic Neutral implies a level of intentional disregard(Chaotic vs Neutral vs Lawful) far greater than I would take INTPs to care about.

I would say True Neutral or Neutral Good.

 

[Pyropyro]

We so need an MBTI D&D crossover. Heh, Jung meets Gygax!

 

[Reluctantly]

If it didn't really matter then what made you bring it up?

Sure, ok. I do agree the alignments are vague, and I'm going off my own refined/distorted understandings of them.

To put it short, Chaotic Neutral implies a level of intentional disregard(Chaotic vs Neutral vs Lawful) far greater than I would take INTPs to care about.

I would say True Neutral or Neutral Good.

Oh, I just thought you might have wanted to know. I had to take a test and had to run, but here's the link: http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=1606

 

[Wormwood]

I got chaotic neutral, almost chaotic evil.

Huh.

 

[Pyropyro]

lawful good with neutral good at close second 21 vs 20

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Oh, I just thought you might have wanted to know. I had to take a test and had to run, but here's the link: http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=1606

Yeah, I acknowledge the results, though I think the test qualifiers aren't all that realistic(well, it is designed for a game after all). For instance, in reality most people would fall under Neutral Good, Lawful Good, True Neutral or Lawful Neutral. The others imply some intentional behavior that could be deemed unlawfully antisocial, or at least psychologically unstable.

 

[The Black Raven]

I'll just throw this stone in, and just say the following:

Chaotic doesn't have to mean that one is stirring shit. Chaos could just simply mean 'a lack of order being imposed upon the situation'. I noticed that with the neutral nature of that particular personality type, that person usually lets entropy continue.