Mind Control-- Illuminati style, is anyone here familiar?

[NinjaSurfer]

Illuminati Monarch Mind Control PDF

I was googling for things related to Mind Control and came upon this rather hefty PDF;

I'm not one to believe in conspiracy theories, but this all seems too eerily possible. Just read the intro chapters and tell me what y'all think.

MK-Ultra is a rather well documented mind control program by the CIA in the 60's-70's that got exposed.

The above linked PDF goes into a bit of detail about how the Illuminati is linked to the CIA and blah blah blah...

I mean, is there any truth to this crap? or is this all just disinformation produced to confuse the masses? I can't be sure anymore.

 

[Meer]

No, it's just paranoid daydreams.

 

[eagor]

No, it's just paranoid daydreams.

yeah but it's still an interesting read so far, just as long as you keep it in the context of "probably fiction"

 

[NinjaSurfer]

No, it's just paranoid daydreams.

yeah but it's still an interesting read so far, just as long as you keep it in the context of "probably fiction"

yes-- but that's what THEY want us to think.

*ahem*

 

[EyeSeeCold]

yes-- but that's what THEY want us to think.

*ahem*

They want you to think that that's what they want you to think. Thinking that way, you end up thinking yourself into your own doom.

These things are hard to substantiate and taking the time to sift through the endless obscure testimonies and documents and clips will only make you a cryptic person yourself, while never really getting closer to any sort of clear truth of reality.

It's best to leave it alone, and not give it any weight or attention, obsessing over it is the mind control itself.

 

[NinjaSurfer]

They want you to think that that's what they want you to think. Thinking that way, you end up thinking yourself into your own doom.

These things are hard to substantiate and taking the time to sift through the endless obscure testimonies and documents and clips will only make you a cryptic person yourself, while never really getting closer to any sort of clear truth of reality.

It's best to leave it alone, and not give it any weight or attention, obsessing over it is the mind control itself.

what would be the motive of the authors?

one of the following?

1) disinformation agents themselves employed by the gov't
2) actually onto something for real
3) just crazy and paranoid

i find #3 to be less likely, as it just seems too well thought out; so my choice is a coin-flip between disinformation or they are onto something; either way, something smells fishy, and though I do agree it is best to just stay ignorantly happy, I can't ignore the feeling gnawing at my soul that we are all being NAMF'd (new age mind fucked);

yah it's kind of like Alice falling down the rabbit hole, once you start the journey it is hard not to continue.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

what would be the motive of the authors?

one of the following?

1) disinformation agents themselves employed by the gov't
2) actually onto something for real
3) just crazy and paranoid

i find #3 to be less likely, as it just seems too well thought out; so my choice is a coin-flip between disinformation or they are onto something; either way, something smells fishy, and though I do agree it is best to just stay ignorantly happy, I can't ignore the feeling gnawing at my soul that we are all being NAMF'd (new age mind fucked);

yah it's kind of like Alice falling down the rabbit hole, once you start the journey it is hard not to continue.

That's the thing. There's no way of knowing which is it without at least going deep enough to develop an unhealthy mental state and unhealthy thought patterns.

You don't have to be ignorantly happy, just informed of the possibility while focusing on your priorities in life.

 

[introverted_thinker]

It is pretty obvious that MK-Ultra has not vanished, in fact, there are many signs it still carries on- especially when it comes to celebrities and people in the music industry.

Take a look at this website:http://vigilantcitizen.com/
It takes a look at music videos and reveals the symbolism showing how the pop-star is being controlled e.g:
Monarch butterflies (symbolising Monarch programming)
Lightening bolts, like the one Lady Gaga uses (symbolises trauma received through electroshock)

When looking at the lives of some of these celebrities and some of the meltdowns they've had, you realise that their behaviour is not just some mindless antics, but a real cry for help; they want to be freed. Britney Spears shaving her head was a classic example- her programming malfunctioned, and she tried to retain some control by shaving her head.

Watch this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn-3GhbtXVE

If you want to know the background to MK-Ultra, watch this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i46RI2twVao

In any case, it is good that you're researching this stuff- MK-Ultra was/is one of the most disgusting experiments ever performed-but it is all too often brushed under the carpet. Nazism and the abhorrent crimes carried out in concentration camps are always mentioned, but funnily enough, America's own involvement in mind control is never ever spoken about.

 

[NinjaSurfer]

That's the thing. There's no way of knowing which is it without at least going deep enough to develop an unhealthy mental state and unhealthy thought patterns.

You don't have to be ignorantly happy, just informed of the possibility while focusing on your priorities in life.

I wholeheartedly agree with you here, as it can become unhealthy to consume one's minds with these matters at the expense of say, living a life. It becomes difficult to just assign this a probability and to be done with it though... this is one of those (rare) serious matters where I really just have a burning desire to find out whether it is 0% or 100% (true).

 

[kora]

I am so happy this topic has been brought up on this forum, It's hard to find people who will discuss it rationally and not get carried away with the sensationalism of the theory. (why didn't I think of INTP's sooner? )

I don't trust the vigilant citizen site, if it was so right about everything, surely it would just get taken down ? Unless they don't care what we know, and don't feel threatened by it OR it's just all paranoid bullshit. Also, that site asks you if you want to buy the complete DVD or something, which immediately makes me think it's just a money-making scheme.

Eyeseecold may be right in saying that it's unhealthy to get obsessed with it, but I really want to arrive at some sort of truth, don't care what it is.

 

[NinjaSurfer]

I am so happy this topic has been brought up on this forum, It's hard to find people who will discuss it rationally and not get carried away with the sensationalism of the theory. (why didn't I think of INTP's sooner? )

I don't trust the vigilant citizen site, if it was so right about everything, surely it would just get taken down ? Unless they don't care what we know, and don't feel threatened by it OR it's just all paranoid bullshit. Also, that site asks you if you want to buy the complete DVD or something, which immediately makes me think it's just a money-making scheme.

Eyeseecold may be right in saying that it's unhealthy to get obsessed with it, but I really want to arrive at some sort of truth, don't care what it is.

I'm not SO SURE that would happen... it seems intuitive that would be the case-- but I feel like people (not just in the U.S.) are SO desensitized to conspiracy theories that there is just a general sense of apathy, worse than The Boy Who Cried Wolf.

There's SO much information out there, some true, most BS, that we suffer from information overload these days. There's so many ways to get your news that if this stuff is true, the people/government behind it all probably revel in the fact that there are so many websites sprouting up with conspiracy.

The scary thing is that maybe 1-in-a-100 times a "conspiracy" theorist is right, but how do we know which one?

And I do believe in "disinformation" agents... the opposition hiring their own goons to go leak information and to infiltrate organizations to control them.

Many organizations start out with benevolent intentions but then get overwhelmed with commercial interests. I agree that the DVD-sales would cheapen the message somewhat-- although I wouldn't totally discredit their info just due to that; I'm sure that they have to support themselves somehow, so it's very possible that their info is legit but they use that as a source of funding? who knows.

 

[RedN]

yeah ive heard of this before, i used to go big on these ... em sorta things back then hahahahaha. they are really interesting.

 

[kora]

what would be the motive of the authors?

one of the following?

1) disinformation agents themselves employed by the gov't
2) actually onto something for real
3) just crazy and paranoid

i find #3 to be less likely, as it just seems too well thought out; .

Nice deduction, but I think crazy and paranoid does not necessarily mean their paranoia isn't well thought out , there is the problem that they don't back up all of their statements with documented facts, they even excuse themselves at the beginning for the lack of footnotes, stating that many of their sources are anonymous, and that it would make the book untidy or something...

I don't know to be honest, I'll keep reading, it's by far the most convincing material I've read so far on the matter. Where did you get it?

 

[PhoenixRising]

It is possible. I've also heard the queen of England eats a pate made of the pituitary glands of young children in order to reverse aging. It sounds far fetched, but I certainly wouldn't put it past her.

 

[kora]

It is possible. I've also heard the queen of England eats a pate made of the pituitary glands of young children in order to reverse aging. It sounds far fetched, but I certainly wouldn't put it past her.

Lets not go disrespecting her royal highness now, angry English INTP's will come and beat you up in her name.

 

[introverted_thinker]

On a side note, which MBTI type is most likely to become conspiracy theorists?

I am so happy this topic has been brought up on this forum, It's hard to find people who will discuss it rationally and not get carried away with the sensationalism of the theory. (why didn't I think of INTP's sooner? )

I don't trust the vigilant citizen site, if it was so right about everything, surely it would just get taken down ? Unless they don't care what we know, and don't feel threatened by it OR it's just all paranoid bullshit. Also, that site asks you if you want to buy the complete DVD or something, which immediately makes me think it's just a money-making scheme.

I think they need funding; making a living on trying to find out the truth about life can't be easy.

Eyeseecold may be right in saying that it's unhealthy to get obsessed with it, but I really want to arrive at some sort of truth, don't care what it is.

It may be unhealthy to get obsessed, but it is admirable if you do. It is brilliant that you want to find out the truth; most people don't give two shits about issues like this.

 

[NinjaSurfer]

Nice deduction, but I think crazy and paranoid does not necessarily mean their paranoia isn't well thought out , there is the problem that they don't back up all of their statements with documented facts, they even excuse themselves at the beginning for the lack of footnotes, stating that many of their sources are anonymous, and that it would make the book untidy or something...

I don't know to be honest, I'll keep reading, it's by far the most convincing material I've read so far on the matter. Where did you get it?

lol yea thanks for at least giving it a chance!

I even thought the same like: "yeaa... surree... how CONVENIENT!"

 

[introverted_thinker]

It is possible. I've also heard the queen of England eats a pate made of the pituitary glands of young children in order to reverse aging. It sounds far fetched, but I certainly wouldn't put it past her.

Yeah, well, according to David Icke, she's a reptilian humanoid.
Love that guy...

 

[NinjaSurfer]

It is possible. I've also heard the queen of England eats a pate made of the pituitary glands of young children in order to reverse aging. It sounds far fetched, but I certainly wouldn't put it past her.

lol... well whether she does that or not is up for debate...

but it's clearly not working.

 

[Pizzabeak]

So what's the general consensus on authors like Graham Hancock and, to a lesser extent perhaps, Zacharia Stitchen? A lot of Hancock's works seem convincing but he's rejected throughout many communities and labeled as a paranoid hack & what not.

 

[kora]

Jesus, it's so researched and thourough it makes you wonder though doesn't it? Plus MK Ultra project was real, which is a major back-up to the theory on the whole.
It's just so bloody confusing, on the one hand there's so much evidence, but on the other it's so easy to imagine that the evidence is all in your head and that you're just being paranoid.

There is also the problem of motive... I just can't imagine a bunch of guys just got together and were like "let's be evil and brainwash/torture people in the name of satan!!" But then again, people sure can be bastards...cough *holocaust* cough. Sorry I don't usually cough while I type.

 

[NinjaSurfer]

Jesus, it's so researched and thourough it makes you wonder though doesn't it? Plus MK Ultra project was real, which is a major back-up to the theory on the whole.
It's just so bloody confusing, on the one hand there's so much evidence, but on the other it's so easy to imagine that the evidence is all in your head and that you're just being paranoid.

There is also the problem of motive... I just can't imagine a bunch of guys just got together and were like "let's be evil and brainwash/torture people in the name of satan!!" But then again, people sure can be bastards...cough *holocaust* cough. Sorry I don't usually cough while I type.

I think it becomes easier to believe when you take it in context with history, and humanity, and that these organizations have far reaching origins back into the times of maybe even historical philosophers like Plato???

I tend to somewhat agree with the theory that humans cannot decide for themselves (as a whole) and should somewhat be handled with kid gloves. I've realized that humans with average IQ's (~100) do not really understand macro world concepts well enough to make informed decisions. However, does this necessarily mean that others 'really' know what's best!?

Plato's philosopher-kings argument necessarily supports this hidden Illuminati agenda;

however, I am also a big fan of Fight Club, and Tyler Durden's goal of bringing down the big companies and big corporations and big pharma, as power corrupts, and it seems that cannot be avoided in reality.

 

[Kuu]

I think it's BS. Sure, Mk Ultra was real, but really, the powerful don't need to do all that to make people slaves. They don't need occultist, ritualistic secret societies to operate. They have "think tanks", "experts", "pundits" and "journalists" to tell you what to think. Sure, they might torture some people with drugs and whatnot, in the clandestine CIA prisons... but for the general population? Nah. People are already 'brainwashed' by the media monopolies that repeat a lie a thousand times with their talking heads pretending to have a debate while ignoring the real issues, until people think their lies are the truth.

Though I do agree the music industry, and hollywood, has a part in being a loud, and far reaching, propaganda tool: pushing certain concepts, beauty standards, ideals and culture upon society, even at an international level.

Operation Mockingbird is where the brainwash is at... Google Noam Chomsky's 10 strategies for media manipulation.

Google some random news, and check how many websites use not only exactly the same sources, but the same article verbatim. "800 articles" my ass! More like 6... See at the beginning of the article or at the end: Associated Press (AP), Reuters, Agence France-Presse (AFP) or simply "Agencies", if they bothered at all to name the sources... A large majority of websites use these "reputable" sources, without even bothering to confirm. These routinely neglect, distort, misinform, and minimize or inflate issues.

 

[hermit78]

Interesting topic. There have been many responses, so my answer may now be out of order, but I would like to address the original questions.

I do believe that mind control is very real. While ever person may not be susceptible, many are. Even with this though, humans act in very predictable ways so those who may not be susceptible to mind control are still very much predictable. We know this, because we have seen this in our lives. We also know this because there are many studies on the matter. This conversation is taking place in a chat room designed for people who have been grouped together because they have the same personality type. Reflect on that.

On the topic of Illuminati and CIA and so forth, I do believe in this. I do not believe it is up for debate that the majority of the money in the world is owned by a minority of people, I believe that to be fact. This means that a small amount of people, have a large amount of power. Does it not make sense that those in power would use influence to control the government, which controls the CIA? The Bilderberg group is even mainstream now, being reported on the news stations that they own.

I know the answer is lacking, but I hope you get my thoughts on it. It is easy to dismiss this as conspiracy theory, but when you ground it in what is accepted, it becomes much more plausible.